Mary Robinson wants us all to become vegan

dense · 22-10-2018 10:19am

animaal wrote: »

There are two ways to solve this. Either find new places for us to inhabit, or control the population by stopping/reversing the growth over time. The former requires space travel, and isn't going to be realistic in our time - if ever. The latter places more responsibility on the populations where growth is fastest: people other than "the West". This seems to be a non-runner.

Why do intelligent people ignore this? Is it because the real problem isn't John and Norah living in the suburbs with two children and a dog, but rather the parts of the world where population is growing at far higher rates?

If intelligent people addressed that point they'd be excoriated just like Casey was last week.

Discussing having too many mouths to feed is a non runner whether its local or globally, "where population growth is fastest".

If it's our ethnic gang's right to have as many offspring as they like, and I've never heard anyone say it isn't, I can't see the usual pack of NGO activists advocating that their African counterparts give up that right in exchange for solar panels and batteries, but, you never know.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 22-10-2018 10:22am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We do need to cut back on how much meat we eat and stop exporting our Western diet to a few billion other people. Simplest way for that to happen is for subsidies to be cut massively on meat production. If we had to pay anything like the true price for meat I doubt many would even have it every day.

A lot of this kind of rhetoric sounds American based. Unless you mean the CAP.

Also just googled methane and while potent as a greenhouse gas it is lasts a mere 12 years in the atmosphere.

wexie · 22-10-2018 10:37am

Deleted User wrote: »

What she would probably do well with is focusing on the laws behind food labelling so that people who do want to source their food environmentally are not conned and tricked. The Marys of this world can preach at us all they like to try to consider the environment - but if in doing so we are being conned and might even be doing _worse_ for the environment then why the hell should we bother? .

There's an awful lot of room for improvement and clarity there indeed.

Nonsense like the difference between 'smoked Irish salmon' and 'Irish smoked salmon' should really be addressed. Problem is that however they change the legislation there are people who's job it is to try to get around them in order to mislead the consumer.

There are some initiatives to label these things a bit better but from what I understand they are all voluntary and imho they should really be mandatory.

It's too bad they can't just have the legislation say 'don't be a dick and don't take the piss'.

gozunda · 22-10-2018 10:39am

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

A lot of this kind of rhetoric sounds American based. Unless you mean the CAP.

Also just googled methane and while potent as a greenhouse gas it is lasts a mere 12 years in the atmosphere.

And whilst all the some keep going on about 'beef' they manage to ignore or hide some very large and smelly elephants hanging around ...

Rice production is known has been found to be a major producer of methane and it looks like its worse than previously estimated

http://zeenews.india.com/science/rice-farming-twice-as-bad-for-climate-as-thought-study-2140198.html

As for subsidies the facts are that funnily enough transport and many other sectors are also heavily subsidised. Doubt if many would be driving on nice roads either without them. But hey let's ignore that ...

wexie · 22-10-2018 10:41am

animaal wrote: »

The latter places more responsibility on the populations where growth is fastest: people other than "the West". This seems to be a non-runner.

Why do intelligent people ignore this? Is it because the real problem isn't John and Norah living in the suburbs with two children and a dog, but rather the parts of the world where population is growing at far higher rates?

While you're not entirely wrong it's a little more complicated like that.

A family of 8 living a very simple subsistence life somewhere in Africa/Asia still consume and pollute and awful lot less than a family of 4 anywhere in the west, regardless of how hard said family of 4 is trying to reduce, reuse and recycle.

So yes, population growth is an issue, but it's by no means the only issue and addressing population growth in isolation isn't going to do much good in the long term. Unless you want to go really rather extreme with it.

22-10-2018 10:42am

wexie wrote: »

There are some initiatives to label these things a bit better but from what I understand they are all voluntary and imho they should really be mandatory.

I am quite ignorant I admit as to the role of a third party private enterprise in that regard.

For example the "Energy Star Logo" sticker in the US does appear to have had quite an impact on energy efficient appliances from what little I know. Is there similar in the food industry? And if not is there a potential for one? All stuff I am blissfully ignorant about but I am sure wiser minds on the subject than I might know more.

wexie wrote: »

addressing population growth in isolation isn't going to do much good in the long term. Unless you want to go really rather extreme with it.

All hail Thanos!

wexie · 22-10-2018 10:47am

Deleted User wrote: »

I am quite ignorant I admit as to the role of a third party private enterprise in that regard.

For example the "Energy Star Logo" sticker in the US does appear to have had quite an impact on energy efficient appliances from what little I know. Is there similar in the food industry? And if not is there a potential for one? All stuff I am blissfully ignorant about but I am sure wiser minds on the subject than I might know more.

I was just thinking of the likes of Bord Bia and whatever it was I half heard an add for on the radio this morning (something about local foods).

And when it comes to labeling I think there is a lot of room for improvement. It shouldn't be allowed to show ingredients listed in grams and then have the actual amount of content of the same product listed in ml.... Or the nutritional information on a chocolate bar in % per 20 grams when the chocolate bar weighs 78 grams, yes it's a good indicator but it's not clear or helpful and, while I'll happily admit being a cynic, I think it's deliberately misleading.

gozunda · 22-10-2018 11:08am

Eathrin wrote: »

If you're claiming vegans to be preachy, you probably don't have a good enough argument to back yourself with, but good try.What nasty food are you talking about? I buy the exact same stuff as everyone else at the supermarket minus the animal products and with more beans, lentils, nuts etc than before. Again, you're trying to discredit veganism by attaching negative words to things that are quite ordinary.I wasn't a vegan last time around, glad you noticed. That's exactly the point. People change and you should too. Social progress was never made without it.

Hey eathrin - no not only myself others got there before me about your preachyness ...

whisky_galore wrote: »

I can eat whatever the fcuk I want.Enough with the insufferable preachyness, no wonder ye are so hated.

And yet you still preach! Hmmmm those great vegan staples such as almonds soya avocado quinoa lentils etc etc being mass produced with huge environmental impacts increasingly imported to cater for trendy vegan lifestyles :rolleyes: How much of that food is produced locally or ethically or with proper environmental standards? And you want more people to adopt this type of diet - really?

Thankfully most people get that veganism is nothing but a con, which assumes economic security, ready access to cheap imported foodstuffs and the leisure to construct an 'identity'. At the end of the day it's more about how vegans see themselves as better than everyone else and and nothing about animals or even other humans. As for jumping on the fad bandwagon. No thanks.

Insect Overlord · 22-10-2018 11:10am

gozunda wrote: »

Thankfully most people get that veganism is nothing but a con, which assumes economic security, ready access to cheap imported foodstuffs and the leisure to construct an 'identity'. At the end of the day it's more about how vegans see themselves as better than everyone else and and nothing about animals or even other humans. As for jumping on the fad bandwagon. No thanks.

They do make some very tasty meals, in fairness to them. Nothing wrong with having a few plant-based dinners every now and again.

gozunda · 22-10-2018 11:11am

Insect Overlord wrote: »

They do make some very tasty meals, in fairness to them. Nothing wrong with having a few plant-based dinners every now and again.

The hare knishnas stuff is quite tasty to be fair ...

kneemos · 22-10-2018 11:16am

Get the catlicks to stop burning condoms in Africa,do wonders for the environment.

Dakota Dan · 22-10-2018 11:20am

Dr Brown wrote: »

Good old Noddy Robinson wants everyone in the country to become a vegan for the sake of "climate justice".

I wonder will she stop traveling around on private jets to cut down her carbon footprint ? somehow I don't think so.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/robinson-again-calls-for-move-to-vegan-37441801.html

The last time I called her noddy on here I was pulled up by the boards police. She’s spouting that nonsense with years while she tucks into her prime beef cut. Noddy needs to do some research before she blows her mouth, there’s not enough tillage land in the world for everyone to go vegan and growing plants also leaves a carbon footprint.

terryduff12 · 22-10-2018 11:23am

Oh Mary, whats she doing with all the money she`s made after selling her house`s five hundredth thousand for her family home in ballina to be turned into a shrine for her. Another house she sold for around a million in the country side. Times being good to mary.

Insect Overlord · 22-10-2018 11:27am

What I think is worth saying, in all seriousness, is that the childish character-assassination here does nothing at all to help the debate. Very few good logical ripostes on show, but quite a bit of petty mud-slinging.

wexie · 22-10-2018 11:29am

Insect Overlord wrote: »

What I think is worth saying, in all seriousness, is that the childish character-assassination here does nothing at all to help the debate. Very few good logical ripostes on show, but quite a bit of petty mud-slinging.

Seemingly though, that's how politics is done these days, and it's leaking into society at large.

Don't attack the post, attack the poster.

Dakota Dan · 22-10-2018 11:31am

Grayson wrote: »

I'm not a vegan but she's right. Saying that we should eat less meat products is simply what loads of climate scientists have said. The world is changing and we're going to change with it. It's not the first time this has happened either. Human diets have always changed because of economic reasons, they'll change again because of other reasons. We certainly don't have the same diets we did 100 years ago.

Animal farming is a huge contribute to greenhouse gasses. In addition we're getting to the point where we need to get more food globally. You will see a shift to non meet products in a lot of countries.

Globally our diets will change because they have to.

Methane disperses in the air unlike other pollutants.

Dakota Dan · 22-10-2018 11:37am

gozunda wrote: »

She's a media geisha with a mouth like the Mersey tunnel

Transport and Fossil fuels are the two biggest global contributors to greenhouse gas emissions.

You (not a vegan) going to give up your car / use of fossil fuels first No?

Exactly, when they were comparing animal emissions to transport they conveniently only tested exhaust emissions leaving out all other pollutants that transport causes.

wexie · 22-10-2018 11:38am

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Methane disperses in the air unlike other pollutants.

So does CO2....

Do you think disperse means 'magically disappear'?

CrankyHaus · 22-10-2018 11:42am

Insect Overlord wrote: »

What I think is worth saying, in all seriousness, is that the childish character-assassination here does nothing at all to help the debate. Very few good logical ripostes on show, but quite a bit of petty mud-slinging.

I agree to an extent. However people like Robinson need to be realistic and a bit more self aware.

Animal agriculture is not going anywhere soon and proposing measures to prevent its unsustainable expansion, including measures for less meat in diets rather than none at all, is a logical and feasible first step to controlling its significant contribution to climate change.

The many people who depend on animal agriculture for a living can understandably feel aggrieved at some one percenter preaching from their private jet about the moral imperative of destroying their livelihood.

topper75 · 22-10-2018 11:50am

Dakota Dan wrote: »

The last time I called her noddy on here I was pulled up by the boards police.

It's not a medical condition is it? I thought it was just some daft affectation.

Anyway - did she talk through this grand plan in full? Do we simply release the national herd into some vast conifer plantation in Leitrim and let them fend for themselves. Because PETA might not like that option either. :pac:

Brussels Sprout · 22-10-2018 12:02pm

Threads started by OP in recent times:

An Easy solution to the Irish Border problem (OP wants to tell the EU to f**k off)

Peter Casey tells it like it is (OP delights in Peter Casey's traveller bashing)

Is this the cause of Feminism ? (didn't even open this one)

Christian bakers who refused to make gay wedding cake win Supreme Court appeal (OP delights in Christian baker's court win)

We need to go back to landfill (OP thinks recycling is scam)

Anti-immigrant party wins 20% in Sweden vote - exit poll (OP crows about the swedish election result)

Nigel Farage back in politics to challenge Theresa May's Brexit (OP welcomes back Farage)

Pedophiles Believe They Should Be A Part Of The LGBT Community (didn't bother opening this one either)

And that was only Page 1

It's probably bad for your health to be so perpetually outraged all of the time OP

wexie · 22-10-2018 12:03pm

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Threads started by OP in recent times:

And that was only Page 1

It's probably bad for your health to be so perpetually outraged all of the time OP

How dare you speak up in here? You yourself are probably responsible for as much methane as the dairy industry in Ireland

:mad:

Franz Von Peppercorn · 22-10-2018 12:09pm

kneemos wrote: »

Get the catlicks to stop burning condoms in Africa,do wonders for the environment.

Africa isn’t 100% Catholic.

Dr Brown · 22-10-2018 12:13pm

I will be thinking of Noddy this evening when I'm tucking into my Fillet Steak :pac:

Franz Von Peppercorn · 22-10-2018 12:35pm

wexie wrote: »

So does CO2....

Do you think disperse means 'magically disappear'?

Methane is flushed in 12 years. Carbon, on the other hand: (from wiki)

Between 65% and 80% of CO2 released into the air dissolves into the ocean over a period of 20–200 years. The rest is taken away by slower processes that take as much as several hundreds of many thousands of years, including chemical weathering and rock formation.

wexie · 22-10-2018 12:40pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Methane is flushed in 12 years. Carbon, on the other hand: (from wiki)

Between 65% and 80% of CO2 released into the air dissolves into the ocean over a period of 20–200 years. The rest is taken away by slower processes that take as much as several hundreds of many thousands of years, including chemical weathering and rock formation.

Yeah I know it does, but that doesn't mean we don't need to be conscious of emissions (not that I'm jumping on the vegan bandwagon), it's still 12 years where it's not doing any good.

But yes you're right in saying it's not as harmful as CO2.

There's much bigger fish to fry than methane emissions (shipping anyone?) but let's not pretend methane is harmless.

Dakota Dan · 22-10-2018 1:33pm

wexie wrote: »

Yeah I know it does, but that doesn't mean we don't need to be conscious of emissions (not that I'm jumping on the vegan bandwagon), it's still 12 years where it's not doing any good.

But yes you're right in saying it's not as harmful as CO2.

There's much bigger fish to fry than methane emissions (shipping anyone?) but let's not pretend methane is harmless.

You know it does yet a few posts back you didn’t know.

Austria! · 22-10-2018 1:49pm

Patww79 wrote: »

Anyone wanting me to become vegan can lick the back end of my ballbag, and anyone wanting me to do it for bloody climate change can go and play in traffic afterwards.

Well ultimately I think it will take governmental action such as introducing taxes with capture the negative externalities of meat consumption and incentivising alternatives. Your plan seems like a logistical headache with no clear benefits.

wexie · 22-10-2018 2:12pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

You know it does yet a few posts back you didn’t know.

No I was pointing out that 'disperse' doesn't mean disappear.

If you drop a bottle of green food colouring in a bottle of milk it will disperse in the milk, what colour does the milk go? Is the food colouring now gone?

But sure, if you want to feel that you're right pat yourself on the back by all means.

animaal · 22-10-2018 2:41pm

wexie wrote: »

A family of 8 living a very simple subsistence life somewhere in Africa/Asia still consume and pollute and awful lot less than a family of 4 anywhere in the west, regardless of how hard said family of 4 is trying to reduce, reuse and recycle.

That's a point. And to be fair, you may even be conservative in the numbers you present.

However, climate change and population growth are both issues with long-term consequences. They haven't had any great impact yet, relatively speaking. The worst, by far, is in the medium- and long-term future.

Let's follow the figures. Assume the figures hold for a number of generations. The Irish family of 4 consists of two children, who themselves each have two children... etc. At the risk of embarrassing myself with bad maths, after 4 generations, that generation consists of 16 people.

The African/Asian family of 8 consists of six children. After 4 generations, that generation consists of 1296 people.

Then we consider what happens to that generation. The Irish family may stay in Ireland or migrate, not a lot of difference to their impact on the world. If some of the African/Asian family migrate to richer countries,it makes a big difference to that family's impact on the world as they consume more.

The economic health of the African country is unlikely to decrease much , starting from a low base. But it may increase and that is desirable. If it does, this also increases the impact on the world as they consume more.

All of the world needs to control its population, not just Africa/Asia. Some countries (Western and Asian) are already doing that unintentionally because of economic pressures. The challenge facing Western countries is that our entire economies are built on the assumption that there will be ever-lasting growth.

Dakota Dan · 22-10-2018 4:00pm

wexie wrote: »

No I was pointing out that 'disperse' doesn't mean disappear.

If you drop a bottle of green food colouring in a bottle of milk it will disperse in the milk, what colour does the milk go? Is the food colouring now gone?

But sure, if you want to feel that you're right pat yourself on the back by all means.

I never said it meant disappear but if you do some research you’ll see that methane actually does disappear from the atmosphere after 12 years.

megaten · 22-10-2018 4:20pm

Dr Brown wrote: »

I will be thinking of Noddy this evening when I'm tucking into my Fillet Steak :pac:

That's kind of bizarre.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 22-10-2018 4:35pm

Where did her nickname come out of?

Is it that she resembles the Toytown character or is it becomes she nods her head excessively?

Eathrin · 22-10-2018 5:56pm

gozunda wrote: »

Hey eathrin - no not only myself others got there before me about your preachyness ...

And yet you still preach!

I appreciate that you try to get people like me to shut up by using words like that! It's pretty cowardly. You can't address the substance of the argument so you try to bully.

If advocating for justice is preachy then so be it, but I know exactly what you're doing.

Hmmmm those great vegan staples such as almonds soya avocado quinoa lentils etc etc being mass produced with huge environmental impacts increasingly imported to cater for trendy vegan lifestyles :rolleyes: How much of that food is produced locally or ethically or with proper environmental standards? And you want more people to adopt this type of diet - really?

Yeah you don't need to eat any of the above you know? That said, if you put any objective research into the area, you'd find that animal products are the far less ethical and far more environmentally damaging foodstuffs. Most soy is grown for animal feed for Christ sake...

Thankfully most people get that veganism is nothing but a con, which assumes economic security

Vegan diets are far cheaper.

ready access to cheap imported foodstuffs and the leisure to construct an 'identity'.

I don't mind if veganism is part of my identity. Everybody holds beliefs that are part of their identity. What's your point?

At the end of the day it's more about how vegans see themselves as better than everyone else and and nothing about animals or even other humans. As for jumping on the fad bandwagon. No thanks.

The point of veganism is that you don't see yourself as better than anyone else. Vegans aren't the ones who take lives for a moment's sensory pleasure. I don't feel entitled to be damaging the earth needlessly so I do everything I can not to.

Whatever your idea is about my life, i can assure you, apart from not exploiting animals I live a very normal life. Veganism can be for anyone.

puppieperson1 · 22-10-2018 6:03pm

we are a tiny country when you look at the globe compared to asia and USA we are like an aran island our contribution would not even register and i am a vegetarian. Look at china they need to make an impact they have huge populations and are burning coal like nobodys biz. the eu is fining us every day if we stopped altogether no on e would notice......

Cienciano · 22-10-2018 6:03pm

Eathrin wrote: »

Boards.ie users sure do get upset at the notion of not abusing animals!

I mean, she just said this:

I said we all have to do more. We have to be more energy-efficient, we have to recycle, we must think about what we eat, we need to eat less meat, maybe become vegetarian or even vegan.

Not exactly controversial or incendiary comment. Fairly bland tbh. And the most thanked post was this:

paw patrol wrote: »

she had one trick .
that was beating princess diana in a race to Somalia for the cameras
that was it.

fcuk off you pompous overbearing media whore

I mean, who the fúck cares what MR says? People need to step away from the keyboard sometimes.

Eathrin · 22-10-2018 6:14pm

puppieperson1 wrote: »

we are a tiny country when you look at the globe compared to asia and USA we are like an aran island our contribution would not even register and i am a vegetarian. Look at china they need to make an impact they have huge populations and are burning coal like nobodys biz. the eu is fining us every day if we stopped altogether no on e would notice......

It's true yeah but you have to get your own house in order before you start telling others what to do right? Ireland still makes a sizeable contribution to global emmisions per capita.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 22-10-2018 7:29pm

paw patrol wrote: »

she had one trick .
that was beating princess diana in a race to Somalia for the cameras
that was it.

fcuk off you pompous overbearing media whore

Mod note:paw patrol, don't post in this thread again,

Buford T. Justice

wakka12 · 22-10-2018 8:26pm

Its perfectly reasonable to ecnourage something that would do so much good for the world
Im not vegetarian but I think anyone who thinks shes pompous or just saying it for credit just feel guilty they are partaking in the demise of the planet and arent willing to even think about changing their lifestyle or inconveniencing themselves

Franz Von Peppercorn · 22-10-2018 8:33pm

Eathrin wrote: »

I appreciate that you try to get people like me to shut up by using words like that! It's pretty cowardly. You can't address the substance of the argument so you try to bully.

If advocating for justice is preachy then so be it, but I know exactly what you're doing.

Yeah you don't need to eat any of the above you know? That said, if you put any objective research into the area, you'd find that animal products are the far less ethical and far more environmentally damaging foodstuffs. Most soy is grown for animal feed for Christs sake.

Not in Ireland. You know what cattle eat here? Grass. Even in winter. There is some animal feed but proportionality less than the US.

If you are importing soy it’s a cost to the environment.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 22-10-2018 8:35pm

wakka12 wrote: »

Its perfectly reasonable to ecnourage something that would do so much good for the world
Im not vegetarian but I think anyone who thinks shes pompous or just saying it for credit just feel guilty they are partaking in the demise of the planet and arent willing to even think about changing their lifestyle or inconveniencing themselves

Not at all. I’ve replaced my car with a bike. I work in renewable power. The point is, her class is hypocritical about this.

We should all eat less meat. The only way to fairly enforce that is coupons or ration cards.

silverharp · 22-10-2018 8:46pm

cereal crop mono culture beloved of vegans have huge issues in terms of soil depletion , displacement of wildlife, their own energy inputs. ireland is the last place on earth that should be worrying about eating meat.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 22-10-2018 8:50pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Not at all. I’ve replaced my car with a bike. I work in renewable power. The point is, her class is hypocritical about this.

We should all eat less meat. The only way to fairly enforce that is coupons or ration cards.

Poor Mary is a wee bit behind the times, again.
https://twitter.com/SBakerMD/status/1049696517177503745
The third graph there is the interesting one, agricultural emissions dropping but the rest of the emissions on a huge upward surge. People may have to look a bit closer to home than is comfortable to reduce emissions.

But, yeah, beef is the cause:rolleyes:

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 22-10-2018 9:04pm

The thread is an example of why boards is becoming such a joke. She made a perfectly valid point, the same point climate scientists have been making, and the first page of the thread is nothing but a race to attack her. Boards.ie is full of the opposite of virtue signaling- people rushing to show off how reactionary and hate filled they are.

gozunda · 22-10-2018 9:05pm

For someone supposedly into their food production- your knowledge appears fairly abysmal tbh.

Eathrin wrote: »

I appreciate that you try to get people like me to shut up by using words like that! It's pretty cowardly. You can't address the substance of the argument so you try to bully.

The point there is - that's not my quote. And yes you were preaching. Much the same as previous tbh.

Eathrin wrote: »

If advocating for justice is preachy then so be it, but I know exactly what you're doing.

Your own definition of 'justice'? Ah come on - less of the SJW stuff already ...

Eathrin wrote: »

Yeah you don't need to eat any of the above you know? That said, if you put any objective research into the area, you'd find that animal products are the far less ethical and far more environmentally damaging foodstuffs. Most soy is grown for animal feed for Christ sake...
Vegan diets are far cheaper.

No vegan diet is locally sustainable here - that's the point. Vegan 'diets are cheaper because they rely on cheap imported produce from third world countries or on foodstuffs produced in areas with few if any environmental or ethical standards unlike locallly produced food. You will also find out if you do any bit of research that globally 85% of soya is grown to extract soya oil mainly used in processed foodstuffs. The left overs or waste product - 'soya meal' is mainly fed to animals. So yes soya grown primarily goes to feed humans - the left overs get fed to animals. Go figure.

Eathrin wrote: »

I don't mind if veganism is part of my identity. Everybody holds beliefs that are part of their identity. What's your point?The point of veganism is that you don't see yourself as better than anyone else. Vegans aren't the ones who take lives for a moment's sensory pleasure. I don't feel entitled to be damaging the earth needlessly so I do everything I can not to.
Whatever your idea is about my life, i can assure you, apart from not exploiting animals I live a very normal life. Veganism can be for anyone.

You appeared to have adopted all the propaganda with little of the understanding. I wouldn't stress about it too much tbh ...

Irish Guitarist · 22-10-2018 9:11pm

Now that she's already hurt farmers feelings it would be a good time to tell them to stop dumping their waste in rivers.

Woke Hogan · 22-10-2018 9:28pm

Lacey Careful Veterinarian wrote: »

Folks, nobody is being forced to do anything.

There are far bigger concerns to focus your energy on.

No there aren't. This dying planet and the impending extinction of our species are the most important concerns facing us at the moment.

The permanently outraged meat eaters in this thread should reflect on their robbing of their grandchildren's future as they choke down each rancid bite of their steaks. The price they're paying for a burger and chips is the eventual annihilation of their lineal descendency, doomed to eventual societal collapse and premature deaths and the blackened promise of the human race.

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-10-2018 9:33pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

No there aren't. This dying planet and the impending extinction of our species are the most important concerns facing us at the moment.

The permanently outraged meat eaters in this thread should reflect on their robbing of their grandchildren's future as they choke down each rancid bite of their steaks. The price they're paying for a burger and chips is the eventual annihilation of their lineal descendency, doomed to eventual societal collapse and premature deaths and the blackened promise of the human race.

I've never eaten a rancid steak and I doubt many others have. Where did you get that idea? I also don't have grandkids.

You should try a steak though, would go down much better than that dictionary you swallowed.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 22-10-2018 9:36pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

No there aren't. This dying planet and the impending extinction of our species are the most important concerns facing us at the moment.

The permanently outraged meat eaters in this thread should reflect on their robbing of their grandchildren's future as they choke down each rancid bite of their steaks. The price they're paying for a burger and chips is the eventual annihilation of their lineal descendency, doomed to eventual societal collapse and premature deaths and the blackened promise of the human race.

Meanwhile soybeans are killing the Amazon rain forest.

https://kids.mongabay.com/elementary/soy.html

As well of course the transport costs, much higher than the local farm to plate beef in the supermarket.

wexie · 22-10-2018 9:36pm

Woke Hogan wrote: »

..... each rancid bite of their steaks....

See that's where you're going wrong, you're supposed to eat them before they go green.

It's not red meat that's bad for ya, it's green meat.

Mary Robinson wants us all to become vegan

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