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Mitsubishi to quit Europe?

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  • #2
    Miscreant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭Miscreant


    road_high wrote: »
    Bit shocked at this announcement- they had invested a lot in the Irish dealer network recently. I guess Covid 19 fallout coupled with increased regs.
    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/mitsubishi-freezes-introduction-new-models-europe

    A “freeze” must mean a withdrawal really?

    Other than the sea of Outlander PHEVs, I can't remember the last time I saw a reasonably new Mitsubishi on the roads. I am actually surprised they still operate here TBH considering that most of the Outlanders our there are imports anyway.
    The remainder of their range (ASX, Eclipse and Space Star) have a lot of competitors, most of which are significantly cheaper.
    I have seen a few relatively new L200s lately though but surely that can't be enough to keep a dealer network going in such a small market?


  • #3
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Not shocked. Their lineup is shocking though.


  • #4
    Pekarirska
    Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭Pekarirska


    Expect more companies abandoning shrinking European ICE market. Better off developing Mitsubishi heat pump and air conditioning technology.


  • #5
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Pekarirska wrote: »
    Expect more companies abandoning shrinking European ICE market. Better off developing Mitsubishi heat pump and air conditioning technology.

    Different company and ownership now AFAIK.


  • #6
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Not shocked. Their lineup is shocking though.

    Who doesn't want a Lancer designed 15 years ago :pac:


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  • #7
    3d4life
    Registered Users Posts: 902 ✭✭✭3d4life


    https://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en/newsrelease/2020/detail1280.html?intcid2=top-pickup_0050


  • #8
    LillySV
    Registered Users Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭LillySV


    There hybrid suvs would be great option if their boot wasn’t as small as a minis


  • #9
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,293 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Oh no, who are all those just eat delivery drivers going to get their cars from now?


  • #10
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    3d4life wrote: »
    https://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/en/newsrelease/2020/detail1280.html?intcid2=top-pickup_0050

    Rebranded Dacias so.


  • #11
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Sales must be tiny, old L200 are still around but very little else, would have been fairly even with Mazda and Honda at one stage, Honda next to exit?


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  • #12
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Hondas European sales are consistently dropping. Their model range is pretty horrible at the moment which explains that.

    If I was a betting man, I’d say Suzuki will be next to pull out of Europe.


  • #13
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Who exactly do Mitsubishi think the target customer for cars as offensively ugly as this actually are?

    Anyone with eyesight poor enough that they'd consider parting with their cash for one shouldn't be allowed hold a license.

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  • #14
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Hondas European sales are consistently dropping. Their model range is pretty horrible at the moment which explains that.

    If I was a betting man, I’d say Suzuki will be next to pull out of Europe.

    Quite a few about here, Vitara and Swift, would be much commoner than Mitsi or Honda. Hyundai ,Toyota and VW seem to have it to themselves


  • #15
    ba_barabus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    What happens the 8 year warranty?

    I reckon Subaru will go long before Suzuki. I'd miss Suzuki if they go, I really like their cars.


  • #16
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    ba_barabus wrote: »
    What happens the 8 year warranty?

    I reckon Subaru will go long before Suzuki. I'd miss Suzuki if they go, I really like their cars.

    have subaru ever sold well here ?


  • #17
    ba_barabus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    have subaru ever sold well here ?
    They were doing ok in the 90s afaik, never a big player but certainly doing ok.

    TBH it's a pity they don't sell better as they have some interesting engineering.


  • #18
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The L200 and Outlander would be a loss but that’s all they have.

    At least we drive on the correct side of the road here and the UK so will always be able to import them unlike the rest of Europe.

    Most of the jap marquees have lost their coolness as they have stopped producing mad turboed versions of lots of their normal range.


  • #19
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    They probably sell more forklifts over here


  • #20
    3d4life
    Registered Users Posts: 902 ✭✭✭3d4life


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    They probably sell more forklifts over here

    Those would be from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries rather than Mitsi-motors.

    Anyone know what does Mitsubishi mean in Japanese ?

    :confused:

    Perhaps its a common name like Murphy is here ?

    Murphy Motors
    Murphy Heavy Industries
    Murphy Electric Co.

    :p


  • #21
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I think it’s a pity, all it means is less choice going forward.
    Europe will regulate itself out of existence soon


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  • #22
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Id say they were hoping to hold out till a new Pajero arrived. If they were just selling the outlander, l200 and Pajero it might be enough to keep a few more rural dealers alive.

    their model range is awful now though.


  • #23
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    road_high wrote: »
    I think it’s a pity, all it means is less choice going forward.
    Europe will regulate itself out of existence soon

    Lol.


    Nothing to do with regulation. That's a silly take on this and Europe.


  • #24
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Id say they were hoping to hold out till a new Pajero arrived. If they were just selling the outlander, l200 and Pajero it might be enough to keep a few more rural dealers alive.

    their model range is awful now though.

    Look at the competition. Many are launching new cars every other month.
    Mercedes-Benz have so many models I loose track of them all. I thought Mitsubishi would be benefiting from the Nissan Renault tie up but that seems to have its own problems. If they don’t get their acts together they’ll all end up dead


  • #25
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    listermint wrote: »
    Lol.


    Nothing to do with regulation. That's a silly take on this and Europe.

    Laugh away- It’s increasing prohibitive to invest in developing cars for Europe. They’re doing the maths on ROI and deciding to leave instead. They’re not leaving because just they can’t be bothered.


  • #26
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    road_high wrote: »
    Look at the competition. Many are launching new cars every other month.
    Mercedes-Benz have so many models I loose track of them all. I thought Mitsubishi would be benefiting from the Nissan Renault tie up but that seems to have its own problems. If they don’t get their acts together they’ll all end up dead

    this craic of having a crossover of every size should hopefully die soon. Mitsubishi should know their audience, make a full size SUV, a medium crossover and a pickup, the crossover as a petrol hybrid and the other two with a decent V6 diesel. Job done for them and it would all be well within their wheel house.


  • #27
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Just to put sales figures into context

    new-car-sales-japanese.jpg


  • #28
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Just to put sales figures into context

    new-car-sales-japanese.jpg

    Ireland really has moved beyond Mazda, Subaru or Mitsubishi being viable here.


  • #29
    ongarite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭ongarite


    The global car market is consolidating rapidly especially in the face of the huge R&D cost to develop EV cars for the mass market.

    Unfortunately that likely means the slow death of many small Japanese brands unless they get bought out by bigger brand or merge into one bigger brand and develop shared platforms. Can even see Mazda and Honda being dragged into some trouble if they aren't careful.


  • #30
    LillySV
    Registered Users Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭LillySV


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Just to put sales figures into context

    new-car-sales-japanese.jpg

    According to that, Lexus sellin f all here lately ... wouldn’t have thought that


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  • #31
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Id say they were hoping to hold out till a new Pajero arrived. If they were just selling the outlander, l200 and Pajero it might be enough to keep a few more rural dealers alive.

    their model range is awful now though.

    The pajero is a dinosaur, even farmers view it as lacking refinement


  • #32
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    LillySV wrote: »
    According to that, Lexus sellin f all here lately ... wouldn’t have thought that

    The ones you see are UK imports. The VRT rebates on hybrids, coupled with Lexus Ireland’s greed makes it attractive to import them.


  • #33
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    The pajero is a dinosaur, even farmers view it as lacking refinement

    the current model absolutely, we don't sell them anymore, but a new model was rumoured for 2021, its nowhere to be seen but done right it could have been a big hit.


  • #34
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    the current model absolutely, we don't sell them anymore, but a new model was rumoured for 2021, its nowhere to be seen but done right it could have been a big hit.

    There’s a Shogun sport in the U.K. based on the L200. Would do very well here but they didn’t for some reason


  • #35
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    The ones you see are UK imports. The VRT rebates on hybrids, coupled with Lexus Ireland’s greed makes it attractive to import them.

    Few enough locally sold Lexus alright. See the odd SUV one with dealer stickers but little else.


  • #36
    TommyGrealy
    Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭TommyGrealy


    This news concerns me as I just put a 1K deposit down on an Outlander PHEV 10 days ago. Am I now going to have problems with Servicing, Parts etc? Are there many independent garages / mechanics who can service PHEVs? Appreciate any advice. Thanks


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  • #37
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Tommy, there is a Outlander PHEV thread here you should ask in
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057921572

    Rochford in Mayo:
    Full service 290 euro, small service 175


  • #38
    E mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 404 ✭✭E mac


    I'd honestly forgotten Daihatsu existed.


  • #39
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,331 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    TommyGrealy wrote: »
    This news concerns me as I just put a 1K deposit down on an Outlander PHEV 10 days ago. Am I now going to have problems with Servicing, Parts etc? Are there many independent garages / mechanics who can service PHEVs? Appreciate any advice. Thanks

    Your going to a have problem with depreciation.


  • #40
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    the current model absolutely, we don't sell them anymore, but a new model was rumoured for 2021, its nowhere to be seen but done right it could have been a big hit.

    Announced this week that Pajero is dead
    https://www.driven.co.nz/news/kiwi-favourite-axed-from-mitsubishi-s-line-up/?utm_source=nzh&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=mitsubishi&utm_term=content&utm_content=top
    After 39 years, and over 3.3 million units sold globally, it has been announced that the Pajero SUV is going to be no more after production ends in 2021.

    Due to a massive slump in production output in recent years, the Pajero's factory in the Gifu Prefecture is set to be rearranged, then eventually closed, as it is costing the company too much.

    Pajero Sport (triton/l200 underbody) to continue


  • #41
    hoodie6029
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭hoodie6029


    Cookie_Monster wrote: »
    Announced this week that Pajero is dead
    https://www.driven.co.nz/news/kiwi-favourite-axed-from-mitsubishi-s-line-up/?utm_source=nzh&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=mitsubishi&utm_term=content&utm_content=top



    Pajero Sport (triton/l200 underbody) to continue

    Have to laugh when they say the Pajero was ageing as some parts date back to 1999. Land Rover were still flogging the Defender til a few years ago! That thing never has a major redesign in 60 years!

    This is water. Inspiring speech by David Foster Wallace https://youtu.be/DCbGM4mqEVw?si=GS5uDvegp6Er1EOG



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  • #42
    Lantus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    road_high wrote: »
    I think it’s a pity, all it means is less choice going forward.
    Europe will regulate itself out of existence soon

    This exactly. Regulation and patents and protected markets are killing innovation and market growth. Just look at how the USA tackled the threat to American phone tech companies by huawei. Branded a baddy and Google was forced to cut all ties. We need to de regulate at haste to promote innovation.


  • #43
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    TommyGrealy wrote: »
    This news concerns me as I just put a 1K deposit down on an Outlander PHEV 10 days ago. Am I now going to have problems with Servicing, Parts etc? Are there many independent garages / mechanics who can service PHEVs? Appreciate any advice. Thanks

    Catch 22 as no doubt you realise. Lose your deposit or lose a packet on depreciation.
    When a marque announces a decision like this it creates huge uncertainty. I’d say their sales will collapse now, dealers must be furious


  • #44
    sumo12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭sumo12


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Your going to a have problem with depreciation.

    That's not necessarily a new phenomenon with Mitsubishi...


  • #45
    Lantus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭Lantus


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Your going to a have problem with depreciation.

    Maybe not. It has a good demand and no new models could increase prices as they become harder to source.

    My experience of rover closing years ago is that prices didn't drop whatsoever.


  • #46
    ba_barabus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭ba_barabus


    Lantus wrote: »
    My experience of rover closing years ago is that prices didn't drop whatsoever.
    My experience of Rover collapsing a few years ago is that prices collapsed and they became bargains, when people realised on the bangers market how good the 75 diesel was they became a go to car and prices stabalised but at a low level. See Saab for a similar story.


  • #47
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    We bought some nearly new ZRs and ZSs for peanuts when they went bust.


  • #48
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    sumo12 wrote: »
    That's not necessarily a new phenomenon with Mitsubishi...

    The outlander has always held reasonably well residually as it’s a pretty desirable vehicle. The commercial models are very popular


  • #49
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    We bought some nearly new ZRs and ZSs for peanuts when they went bust.

    Unlike rover MG, Mitsubishi despite what people may say are pretty reliable cars overall so that would stand to them


  • #50
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    road_high wrote: »
    Unlike rover MG, Mitsubishi despite what people may say are pretty reliable cars overall so that would stand to them
    Absolutely. their biggest sin is building cars that few people like.

    They never quite understood how to make a nice interior, despite often using expensive materials and putting them together really well.
    My theory is that the country that gets the lions share of global sales dictates how manufacturers prioritise things like interior design and type of materials used.


  • #51
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,555 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Just to put sales figures into context

    new-car-sales-japanese.jpg

    The Honda 2007 figures are copy/paste error I presume, and not that they a: had identical figures to Nissan and b: are actually at 1/10th now.

    Although I wouldn't be surprised some brands are at 1/10th of 2007. Fiat easily. Grande Puntos were car hire central back then, plus Mk3 Panda and 500 sales; versus nothing now.


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