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New, unregistered Irish-bought car from 1976 - where do I start?

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  • #202
    FFVII
    Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    I thought all proceeds from anything sold belong to the estate.

    OP should keep.

    Give 5%


  • #203
    SomethingElse
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭SomethingElse


    alfa beta wrote: »
    More 40-year old, new, unregistered vehicles uncovered here in Alfa Beta land today!!


    Not a car this time, but two MZ motorcycles a TS 150 and TS 125, both from 1980. Brand new and unused (but seized up over time - a fact you discover very quickly when you try to push the things!!)


    As far as I know MZ were East German and these bikes are two-stroke. I've found an owner's club on google where I will try and get more background and hopefully establish a value for the bikes.


    I've no intention of keeping these but neither have I much of an idea as to their worth. If anyone here can help with knowledge / advice that would be fab. And if you can't, well, here are some pics anyway!!


    (Posting here coz I don't see a Classic Bikes sub forum on boards - and coz I got such a lovely response from everyone regarding the original post about the peugeot ( --- which btw is wrapped up again for the time being due to too much else to do in the near future!!)


    Cheers,
    AB.
    20200210-115908.jpgIMG-5171.jpg

    Would be lovely for travelling up to the All-Ireland on.


  • #204
    Bigus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,944 ✭✭✭Bigus


    Regarding the bikes these lads are gentlemen, will sell them on commission.

    http://www.cbb.ie/


  • #205
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,408 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    I thought all proceeds from anything sold belong to the estate.

    Think the op said earlier in the thread his mum is alive so presumably it’s all hers now and I doubt he’s flogging it without telling her.


  • #206
    FFVII
    Registered Users Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭FFVII


    CoBo55 wrote: »
    I thought all proceeds from anything sold belong to the estate.

    OP should keep.

    Give 5%


  • #207
    alfa beta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    salmo is on the ball ..... everything was left to my mum .... but as you can imagine it's a bit overwhelming to have to deal with all this kind of stuff when it suddenly lands on you, so I'm working through everything with her to sort out the stuff he left behind and use it to benefit the charities he was close to :)


  • #208
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,408 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    alfa beta wrote: »
    salmo is on the ball ..... everything was left to my mum .... but as you can imagine it's a bit overwhelming to have to deal with all this kind of stuff when it suddenly lands on you, so I'm working through everything with her to sort out the stuff he left behind and use it to benefit the charities he was close to :)

    There’s an episode of one of those shows wherre people come in and mooch through your stuff on daytime tv in that shed


  • #209
    brav
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭brav


    salmocab wrote: »
    There’s an episode of one of those shows wherre people come in and mooch through your stuff on daytime tv in that shed

    An episode? More like a season of shows in there I’d say :)


  • #210
    TheRiverman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,230 ✭✭✭TheRiverman


    salmocab wrote: »
    There’s an episode of one of those shows wherre people come in and mooch through your stuff on daytime tv in that shed

    Probably one of Henry Cole's shows,Shed &Buried,Find It Fix It Flog It,Find It Fix It Drive It,or Junk & Disorderly.


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  • #211
    maebee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭maebee


    I have zero interest in cars/motorbikes etc. but I stumbled on this thread today and enjoyed every page of it. What a find it was! Thanks for this AB and the best of luck in your endeavors.


  • #212
    swarlb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,244 ✭✭✭swarlb


    alfa beta wrote: »
    Yeah - but unlike the Peugeot he wouldn't have bought these for his personal use - they'd have been bought to sell on.



    He never sold them though.



    He was a hoarder at heart and the words 'stock turnover' weren't really that popular in his vocabulary :)


    ...


  • #213
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Don't give up on the bikes , they're seized now ,but probably possible for them to be worked free ... And Eastern European stuff is probably relatively easy to work on...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #214
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    My first motorbike was MZ TS 125 I thought they were made in Chech Republic.

    There are some fans of MZ.

    It's a premixed so you take off the fuel cap and there's a sort of cup attached to it.
    This is to put two-stroke oil into. It shows how much to add per gallon of petrol.

    The cable drum back brakes was not good or the electric switches on the handle bars.

    If someone knows about bikes though and changes the original big end bearings it could be good.


  • #215
    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Markcheese wrote: »
    Don't give up on the bikes , they're seized now ,but probably possible for them to be worked free ... And Eastern European stuff is probably relatively easy to work on...

    Easier de seizing a bike than a car. Single or twin cylinder is very
    easy to strip for a rebuild too

    Lovely old bike too. I remember working on many old brit bikes down through the
    years.

    You just cant beat an old classic motor, bike or car.:)


  • #216
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    And the bikes have points rather than cdi ignition.


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  • #217
    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    MZ's do have some value to them,

    https://www.classicsmallmotorcycles.com/dkw-bmw-mz-jawa-cz-under-350.html


  • #218
    alfa beta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    thanks for that info Jeff :)


  • #219
    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Procedure is basically the same for single cylinder, or multiple cylinders,



  • #220
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    alfa beta wrote: »
    thanks for that info Jeff :)

    No bother, if you want to know anything mechanical about the bikes just ask.
    I'v had many bikes but learned a lot by having MZ 125 first. :)

    It would be a bit odd to use for someone used to bikes.

    The rear side stand and left hand kick start.


  • #221
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,495 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    If someone knows about bikes though and changes the original big end bearings it could be good.
    Why do you think the big end bearing needs to be replaced?

    Not your ornery onager



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  • #222
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,856 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    alfa beta wrote: »
    Fine Bone China Tea and Dinner Sets!!!

    Very soon to appear on Ebay, Donedeal, Adverts, FB marketolace and wherever else I can flog the things ..... (all proceeds going to the charities the old man was involved in though) :)

    Let us know when they’re up there would you?


  • #223
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Esel wrote: »
    Why do you think the big end bearing needs to be replaced?

    They didn't use enough nickel in the original bearing. There was a shortage there at the time.


  • #224
    macplaxton
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    My first motorbike was MZ TS 125 I thought they were made in Chech Republic.

    There are some fans of MZ.

    Nah, East Germany.

    CZ were Czech.

    I've had a few MZs, but they were all ETZ models (125, 150, 250, 251)


  • #225
    SmartinMartin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭SmartinMartin


    I'd be sticking some gear oil down the plug hole on those MZs and leaving them soak for a few weeks.


  • #226
    SmartinMartin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭SmartinMartin


    If you are going to try to start them, use a remote fuel tank with a premix. In the meantime take off the tank, put a drop of fresh fuel in along with a load of nuts and bolts or large gravel and shake the tank for 10 minutes minimum. This will remove rust and bits. Renew the fuel lines.


  • #227
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    macplaxton wrote: »
    Nah, East Germany.

    CZ were Czech.

    I've had a few MZs, but they were all ETZ models (125, 150, 250, 251)

    So, much the same at the time I guess.

    Can you add to the bike conversion.


  • #228
    Esel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,495 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    MZ were in a different league to CZ to be fair. Suzuki used MZ innovations to great effect in their 2-stroke racing bikes.

    From the Suzuki Wikipedia page:

    A large factor in Suzuki's success in two-stroke competition was the East German Grand Prix racer Ernst Degner, who defected to the West in 1961, bringing with him expertise in two-stroke engines from the East German manufacturer MZ. The secrets Degner brought with him were the work of Walter Kaaden, who combined three crucial technologies for the first time: the boost port, the expansion chamber, and the rotary valve.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MZ_Motorrad-_und_Zweiradwerk

    Not your ornery onager



  • #229
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,469 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You should post in the motorbikes forum, OP.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=577

    Scrap the cap!



  • #230
    airhead_eire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭airhead_eire


    MZ bikes don't fetch alot of money, even when fully restored. A long term unused bike, even if new and never used, could potentially require engine work due to perished/hardened seals. Is there paperwork for these bikes ?


  • #231
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,790 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    alfa beta wrote: »
    More 40-year old, new, unregistered vehicles uncovered here in Alfa Beta land today!!


    Not a car this time, but two MZ motorcycles a TS 150 and TS 125, both from 1980. Brand new and unused (but seized up over time - a fact you discover very quickly when you try to push the things!!)


    As far as I know MZ were East German and these bikes are two-stroke. I've found an owner's club on google where I will try and get more background and hopefully establish a value for the bikes.


    I've no intention of keeping these but neither have I much of an idea as to their worth. If anyone here can help with knowledge / advice that would be fab. And if you can't, well, here are some pics anyway!!


    (Posting here coz I don't see a Classic Bikes sub forum on boards - and coz I got such a lovely response from everyone regarding the original post about the peugeot ( --- which btw is wrapped up again for the time being due to too much else to do in the near future!!)


    Cheers,
    AB.
    20200210-115908.jpgIMG-5171.jpg


    Wow, fab. Bikes are my main....'illness' and those whilst not OF huge value, certainly are collectible. If you're interested, I'm in a vintage club, and there is the IVVMCC which is a pan-ireland body for all the vintage bike clubs. There'd definately be interest there. www.ivvmcc.ie

    They spend all their time on DD anyway !! :pac:

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #232
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Wow, fab. Bikes are my main....'illness' and those whilst not OF huge value, certainly are collectible. If you're interested, I'm in a vintage club, and there is the IVVMCC which is a pan-ireland body for all the vintage bike clubs. There'd definately be interest there. www.ivvmcc.ie

    They spend all their time on DD anyway !! :pac:

    When first sold those two MZ would be better than many bikes coming from China now IMO.

    To ride the bike you would need to rebuild the engine which is easy and not costly.

    The seals and bearings for engine and forks are reality cheep. Actually all bearings.

    The chain guard will need to go if the bike was to be used. It will be perished and the seat cover too.

    There are some people that make great seat cover replacements at a good price. Drop the seat in and it's back like new.


  • #233
    airhead_eire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭airhead_eire


    MZ made some good bikes. They were inexpensive and reliable transport for the masses. Having said that, back in they day, they were considered bland, not very attractive and slow when compared to the latest & greatest from Japan (and other European marques).
    Personally, I like them but they are an acquired taste to a lot of folks.


  • #234
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    When first sold those two MZ would be better than many bikes coming from China now IMO.

    To ride the bike you would need to rebuild the engine which is easy and not costly.

    The seals and bearings for engine and forks are reality cheep. Actually all bearings.

    The chain guard will need to go if the bike was to be used. It will be perished and the seat cover too.

    There are some people that make great seat cover replacements at a good price. Drop the seat in and it's back like new.


    As far as I'm aware the OP has no attachment to the bikes and is only concerned with value (to be given to charity). Would he be better off selling as is or spending time renovating and then selling (considering the lack of attachment may be too onerous). Would you put a ball park estimate on the bikes' value as is?


  • #235
    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As far as I'm aware the OP has no attachment to the bikes and is only concerned with value (to be given to charity). Would he be better off selling as is or spending time renovating and then selling (considering the lack of attachment may be too onerous). Would you put a ball park estimate on the bikes' value as is?

    True.

    He would be better selling as is, as these are not going to generate
    large prices, even if they are 100%.


  • #236
    alfa beta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    kadman wrote: »
    True.

    He would be better selling as is, as these are not going to generate
    large prices, even if they are 100%.


    This is what I'm thinking. But I'm finding it hard to establish a value / price. Anyone here feel brave enough to throw out any suggestions??


    Basic details are:
    1. Bikes are MZ TS125 and TS150.

    2. Both two-stroke, 1980, made in East Germany.
    3. Both are new, unused and unregistered. (I think there's a purchase receipt somewhere but that's all the paperwork I know of.)
    4. Keys are missing unfortunately (may turn up but unlikely)

    5. Back wheel on both bikes is seized when you push them - cosmetically both are perfect - metal, seats, platsics, levers, stands etc all shipshape.


    Perhaps some of you (like GalwayTT) might know people who are into vintage bikes etc and might offer a guesstimate of a fair price. Tricky I know, but any help I get in this regard would be appreciated.



    Thanks as always to everyone here for the pointers, comments and advice (especially consdiering these two beasts aren't exactly classic cars!!!) :)


  • #237
    emeldc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,597 ✭✭✭emeldc


    Have a look here https://www.classic-trader.com/uk/motorcycle/search/mz for some guidance.
    I'd say €300 - €400 as they are and probably €1200 - €1500 restored. But I could be talking bollo*ks :D


  • #238
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    Don't forget it's not like they are rhd or lhd, they can be used anywhere in the world. There maybe more demand for them overseas. eBay might be the best bet for them.


  • #239
    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    They would both need recommissioning, but to what degree,

    so its a how long is a piece of string question. It may or maynot need an engine overhaul.
    And so its price will be reflected in that, and basically its a non runner.

    I'd say 300-500 is going to be the max for each, considering restored prices are 1500.


  • #240
    macplaxton
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 2,957 Mod ✭✭✭✭macplaxton


    Could be more as new and unused, but you'd need to promote them in the right place.


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  • #241
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I'd say if they could be unseized easily ,
    Or even got running they'd probably make more ...

    But if they're only gonna make 3 or 4 hundred each anyway ..then maybe offer them as are ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #242
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭harr


    I have seen working examples on different sites going anywhere from 400 sterling up to 2000 some are running in original state and some have been fully restored.

    One site here

    https://m.classic-trader.com/uk/motorcycle/search?make=487&sorting[sorting]=datePublished_desc&pagination[entriesPerPage]=60&pagination[page]=1&_locale=en_GB


  • #243
    airhead_eire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭airhead_eire


    kadman wrote: »
    They would both need recommissioning, but to what degree,

    so its a how long is a piece of string question. It may or maynot need an engine overhaul.
    And so its price will be reflected in that, and basically its a non runner.

    I'd say 300-500 is going to be the max for each, considering restored prices are 1500.

    As someone that rides vintage/classic bikes, I would say that is about right price-wise. They will never fetch the money that other old German marques (NSU, Zundapp, BMW etc.) will.


  • #244
    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    macplaxton wrote: »
    Could be more as new and unused, but you'd need to promote them in the right place.


    In all fairness, realistically from a buyers point of view, they have seized components, not roadworthy, non runners and may require lots of work to get them roadworthy.

    So that is going to affect the asking price. There are far more collectible bikes to chose from. And the fact that a restored one is probably 2k or less.

    Any potential buyer/restorer has to take into account his outlay versus his return. And in the case of someone that wants to work on it and flip it, there is little to make out of it.

    On the other hand a collector who just has to have it, will he pay more than 500 for it??

    I used to drive and restore lots of the old brit bikes. AJS, Matchless, BSA's, back when you could pull them out of ditches and old sheds, so there was little or no outlay, just work.

    I once dug up an old soakpit, and lifted out an old vw floorpan, to get my hands on an old AJS frame, and thats another story.

    Sanity and classic vehicle buffs definitely do not go together..:eek::D:D


  • #245
    The Red Ace
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭The Red Ace


    Reading through the posts with regards to being seized I see also mention of the back wheel being locked, even with a seized engine the back wheel should rotate, those bikes must be in prob first gear. As regard vintage bikes there seems to be a good few here with an interest but anytime I look in the bike forum it is mostly rocket pocket being discussed. A few of mine are BSA A10 road rocket, Kawasaki H1 500, Suzuki T200 and about 6 more all from early 60s to early 70s


  • #246
    airhead_eire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 133 ✭✭airhead_eire


    The Red Ace wrote: »
    Reading through the posts with regards to being seized I see also mention of the back wheel being locked, even with a seized engine the back wheel should rotate, those bikes must be in prob first gear. As regard vintage bikes there seems to be a good few here with an interest but anytime I look in the bike forum it is mostly rocket pocket being discussed. A few of mine are BSA A10 road rocket, Kawasaki H1 500, Suzuki T200 and about 6 more all from early 60s to early 70s

    Clearly a man of good taste with that collection !


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  • #247
    kadman
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Excellent taste putting the A 10 at the start of the list.:D:D


  • #248
    alfa beta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    The Red Ace wrote: »
    Reading through the posts with regards to being seized I see also mention of the back wheel being locked, even with a seized engine the back wheel should rotate, those bikes must be in prob first gear.


    Good point - I only had to move them a few feet so didn't check to see if they were in gear - I did pull the clutch but that made no difference. Must have another look at them when I get a chance and see if they are actually in first!


  • #249
    WestWicklow1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭WestWicklow1


    alfa beta wrote: »
    Good point - I only had to move them a few feet so didn't check to see if they were in gear - I did pull the clutch but that made no difference. Must have another look at them when I get a chance and see if they are actually in first!

    It could just be the brake shoes bound to the drum.


  • #250
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    alfa beta wrote: »
    Good point - I only had to move them a few feet so didn't check to see if they were in gear - I did pull the clutch but that made no difference. Must have another look at them when I get a chance and see if they are actually in first!

    The wet clutch will have the plates stuck together and casing needs to be taken off to separate them.

    So pulling the clutch makes no difference.


  • #251
    alfa beta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 763 ✭✭✭alfa beta


    Jeff2 wrote: »
    The wet clutch will have the plates stuck together and casing needs to be taken off to separate them.

    So pulling the clutch makes no difference.


    Ah - you learn something new every day .... this is why I love Boards!!)


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