This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

millington · 26-01-2017 3:54pm

MrRolex wrote: »

996's regularly come up on Ebay for under 12K. Carrera's from the late '70's to early '80's can be bought from 10K. Granted there aren't so many as 996's but they are available under 12K. Agree Porsche's went through a Celtic Tiger bubble, but that has now peaked. These days its W124 Mercedes, E30 BMW, and MK2 Golf's, that are peaking. '87 means many of those cars are now coming into vintage tax and VRT; and that means the market is hungry for them.

Where can you get an Irish 996 for €12k?

26000 Elephants · 26-01-2017 4:01pm

Seweryn wrote: »

I am quite sure it is not based on a Beetle. But there are not enough details there to tell me for sure...

So its a beetle then....:-)

Please tell me that you really got that joke and you are just being 'ironic' :pac:

MrRolex · 26-01-2017 4:03pm

millington wrote: »

Where can you get an Irish 996 for €12k?

Ireland.

millington · 26-01-2017 4:16pm

MrRolex wrote: »

Ireland.

Useful insight

Bus Boy · 26-01-2017 4:16pm

Yep, you can still get a tatty 996 for 12k. Theres a lovely one for sale at the moment for 15k with full service history and preventative maintenance done. the only thing it doesn't have is a Sports Exhaust, which IMO needs one as I used to have one. They're a fantastic car too. That 'Covin' type Beetle based 911 is 10k over priced.

MrRolex · 26-01-2017 4:24pm

Bus Boy wrote: »

Yep, you can still get a tatty 996 for 12k. Theres a lovely one for sale at the moment for 15k with full service history and preventative maintenance done. the only thing it doesn't have is a Sports Exhaust, which IMO needs one as I used to have one. They're a fantastic car too. That 'Covin' type Beetle based 911 is 10k over priced.

Agreed on all accounts.
Its a given that 12K wont buy one the best 996 in Ireland, but I have seen them from 8K upwards needing work. Leaking headgaskets, needing clutches, whining gearboxes etc. From 10K up one sees clean ones with above average miles, or Cat C or Cat D insurance write offs in the UK that are on the HPI register and have been put back on the road etc. 12K up sees straight 996's in Ireland, tax and NCT but maybe with high miles or patchy service history, or needing some work (bodywork or mechanical).
Granted there isn't the same selection of 996's in Ireland as in the UK, but that is Donedeal v Ebay all over really.
But 12K certainly buys an Irish 996, sure as night follows day. They peaked during the Celtic Tiger, but now the prices have settled after peaking.
With a 996 one must remember the asking price bears no relation to the selling price. That 15K car sells for 12K etc.
On Ebay I have seen clean ones needing nothing sell in the UK for 8-10K sterling.
This one is a typical example, high miles but service history. 10,600 Euro. Of course one has to add another 2-3K VRT on it landed.
But similar cars here are only making 12K these days.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1998-Porsche-911-3-4-996-Carrera-2-Coupe-2dr-Petrol-Manual-285-g-km-300-/322360385295?hash=item4b0e2d1f0f:g:KLYAAOSw6DtYVnyE

MrRolex · 26-01-2017 4:33pm

millington wrote: »

Useful insight

Apologies, I don't do insight.
I leave that to the priests.

MrRolex · 26-01-2017 5:48pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

OK enough with your snarky comments and posts please. Keep it construtive.

So its OK for a lad to troll my straight answer to his straight question with sarcasm?
And they say don't give it out if you can't take it..
So I let the lad have some back, and I am the one getting pulled up for snarky comments?
Some people say Boards.ie is over-moderated, and that is one of the key reasons why it is in decline. Others say its due to the increase in popularity of social media over fora.
Personally I think my comments are within the charter, maybe with some banter or sarcasm at times; but if someone trolls me or takes the piss then I will stand my ground and defend myself. Fairs fair lad.
I think you called this one wrong here.
Have a read through my previous comments, any man can see they are constructive not snarky on the whole.

unkel · 26-01-2017 6:24pm

MrRolex wrote: »

This one is a typical example, high miles but service history. 10,600 Euro. Of course one has to add another 2-3K VRT on it landed.

Good luck with that. There are no Porsches on the VRT calculator, the crowd don't entertain email queries before you buy and bringing a cheap one in could attract a VRT bill several times that. Big risk.

And then you need to get it NCTd. Another substantial risk.

26000 Elephants · 26-01-2017 6:53pm

unkel wrote: »

Good luck with that. There are no Porsches on the VRT calculator, the crowd don't entertain email queries before you buy and bringing a cheap one in could attract a VRT bill several times that. Big risk.

And then you need to get it NCTd. Another substantial risk.

It should have the same OMSP and CO2 band as something like an SL450/500 from around the same era. VRT on that would be around the 3 grand mark so that is a reasonable benchmark. But like you say, it could go either way, but a factor of 'several times' is not going to happen.

As for the NCT risk, if you are not prepared for that, then you really should not be entertaining 996's or any Porsche for that matter. Obviously it helps if what you buy has a bit of MOT left in it.

MrRolex · 26-01-2017 7:16pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Well judging by the number of your posts that have been reported I disagree. If you don't like it here you are free not to post. Consider the above a warning.

Is this how you go about welcoming new members? Bullying them? Or is it just your style of (over) moderation?
So basically my opinion doesn't fit the square peg square hole Boards.ie general consensus; and therefore I have the option of becoming yes man or thanks whore; or I get warned.
Its a given I like it here, and post. I am free do do so, and free to not post; as you say. But you need to look at both sides fairly before coming down hard on one.
Someone asks me a straight question, and I give a straight answer. Then they get smart. So I stand up to it.
You would like me to report them like the other sheep, but I prefer to take control of the situation and nip it in the bud personally.
You see in life, that is my way. I don't need to get someone else to do my dirty work, I take ownership of a problem and execute it myself.
You do realise the only person you are showing up here is yourself, for poor moderation?
Why don't you just deal with it the right and proper way and snip or delete any offensive posts? Or maybe there aren't any to snip, as they all fall within the remit of the charter.
Going on a power trip and over-moderating poorly isn't the way to do things.
I say that coming from the perspective of being an admin on a car forum myself, so I know the drill lad.

MrRolex · 26-01-2017 7:46pm

unkel wrote: »

Good luck with that. There are no Porsches on the VRT calculator, the crowd don't entertain email queries before you buy and bringing a cheap one in could attract a VRT bill several times that. Big risk.

And then you need to get it NCTd. Another substantial risk.

I would agree buying a 996 is a risk. But 3K is the typical VRT on a 996 worth 10K sterling. The same car here is 12-15K Euro.
Full service history and MOT when one buys limits the risk of passing an NCT etc. Realistically one can expect a high miler with patchy service history in this price band, so one needs to budget for repairs.
But saying that, anyone with 12K to buy one, really should have 2-3K ready to give it a full service or cover repairs. I have never seen a 996 up for sale that didn't need some work. Generally people sell them when they know they are due for something major. Being patient is the key though, as sometimes genuine ones come up where its just a case of an affluent owner updating to a newer model of 911.
I have to admit I have never owned one, but have driven a 3.6 Carrera Turbo, and was disappointed with it to be honest. The tiptronic gearbox wasn't as good as one would expect for example. For 12K an E46 M3 coupe is actually a better car all round.
For even money, Mercedes, Audi, BMW; all offer more bang for buck really.

Seweryn · 26-01-2017 7:47pm

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Please tell me that you really got that joke and you are just being 'ironic' :pac:

I honestly looked at the photos again and can't say for sure what it is (not taking into account the mentioned Beetle number plates)

.

Which detail of the car would you say indicate that the thing is based on a Bug?

MrRolex · 26-01-2017 7:54pm

You have to be on a wind up playing dumb here? Seriously.
Well how about the engine in the boot?
You know, usually they are under the bonnet.
The bonnet is at the front of a car by the way, boot at the rear.
I will give you another clue, Beetles have their engine in the boot (not under the bonnet at the front).
Here is another clue, look at the shape of a Beetle, and the shape of a 911.
Now can you see any similarities?
Or maybe have a look at an MR2 and a Ferrari 355.
Any idea why someone might base a replica of the latter on the former?
Take your time..

26000 Elephants · 26-01-2017 9:50pm

Seweryn wrote: »

I honestly looked at the photos again and can't say for sure what it is (not taking into account the mentioned Beetle number plates) .

Which detail of the car would you say indicate that the thing is based on a Bug?

I didnt mean that, I meant your line about it being a "terribly modified Porsche" and me saying thats basically what a beetle is... :cool:

I suspect this would be more fun over a few pints...

Seweryn · 26-01-2017 10:11pm

26000 Elephants wrote: »

I didnt mean that, I meant your line about it being a "terribly modified Porsche" and me saying thats basically what a beetle is... :cool:

I suspect this would be more fun over a few pints...

Oh, there would be some fun looking at these after a few pints

. One thing I don't get is fake replicas and (bad) modifications. An inline engine behind the rear axle? It just doesn't sound good no matter what it is...

unkel · 27-01-2017 1:19am

MrRolex wrote: »

3K is the typical VRT on a 996 worth 10K sterling. The same car here is 12-15K Euro.

You are contradicting yourself within that sentence alone. Even if the NCTS would reckon the OMSP of that 996 is only €15k, then VRT (36%) would be €5,400

(and €4,300 at a very unlikely assessment of the OMSP as €12k)

Cheapest 996 on Irish plates on donedeal is €17k at the mo...

red sean · 27-01-2017 3:50pm

Good value for €7. I might ring and offer a tenner even!

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/1986-citroen-cx-22trs/14519602

mikehn · 28-01-2017 1:23am

He seems to be confused about his mileage two ads with totally different miles

Duke O Smiley · 28-01-2017 1:26am

I've seen that CX in person. My photos (and indeed the seller's ad!) do it no justice though; it was really lovely

Arthur Daley · 28-01-2017 9:19am

Love the CX that's a nice colour. Definite classic now. Citroen jamming the spare into the engine bay. You would think the engine heat might not be great for the tyre over a prolonged period.

john hanrahan · 28-01-2017 11:46am

a popular place for spare tyres in the 70's/ 80's i had a few with the tyre in the engine bay a volvo 340 and fiat i27.

i think a few renault's had them there as well, you would think its not the best place for them, but there was always loads of room in the engine bay back then.

great looking CX

Seweryn · 28-01-2017 2:42pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

That Citroen is lovely, its times like this I wish I had a house in the country with a big shed to store cars. Well in fact I just wish I had a house :pac:

When you have a house and a garage for one car, but have two classics then you start dreaming about a bigger garage. First world problems

...

SnakePlissken · 28-01-2017 5:48pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Two yellow Mk1s

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mk1-golf/14371438

And

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/vw-golf-gld-1500-diesel/14192318

The second one actually lives quite close to me. Mint is not quite the word for it. I've seen it parked up locally a few times and had a good look around, and it looks better than new.

Would love to know how much he wants for it

Passed the 83KY one on the N3 at blanchardstown earlier, broken down in the hard shoulder with its bonnet up, hopefully not someone from here taking it on a test drive.

moryan1990 · 28-01-2017 6:52pm

Thats my own one. Alternator belt snapped. New one on already, and all is well with the world again.

kadman · 28-01-2017 6:58pm

moryan1990 wrote: »

Thats my own one. Alternator belt snapped. New one on already, and all is well with the world again.

Good stuff....:)

miniireland · 28-01-2017 11:03pm

moryan1990 wrote: »

Thats my own one. Alternator belt snapped. New one on already, and all is well with the world again.

Good man Mo glad it wasn't anything too serious

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MrRolex · 29-01-2017 4:37pm

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MrRolex · 29-01-2017 4:53pm

Nice clean Golf GTI 16V. Always liked them in black. High price in my opinion, but I suppose excellent condition and mileage justifies it.
Any thoughts?
https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1989-volkswagen-mk2-golf-gti-16v-small-bumper/14056272

MrRolex · 29-01-2017 5:00pm

moryan1990 wrote: »

Thats my own one. Alternator belt snapped. New one on already, and all is well with the world again.

Nice car, good luck with the sale.
Do you think it would pass an NCT test with the air suspension? Or would it need to be put back on shocks?
I have heard some air suspension cars such as Lexus LS430's have problems with the NCT test equipment as they bounce around.
Maybe it would be worth putting it back on the coilovers you have and putting an NCT on it?

moryan1990 · 29-01-2017 5:09pm

MrRolex wrote: »

Nice car, good luck with the sale.
Do you think it would pass an NCT test with the air suspension? Or would it need to be put back on shocks?
I have heard some air suspension cars such as Lexus LS430's have problems with the NCT test equipment as they bounce around.
Maybe it would be worth putting it back on the coilovers you have and putting an NCT on it?

Many friends of mine have passed test no problem with aftermarket air suspension, and also OEM air suspension (BMW 5 Series Touring comes with air suspension as standard in the rear).

Installing standard suspension is a 2 hour job max anyway if you wanted.

MrRolex · 29-01-2017 5:15pm

moryan1990 wrote: »

Many friends of mine have passed test no problem with aftermarket air suspension, and also OEM air suspension (BMW 5 Series Touring comes with air suspension as standard in the rear).

Installing standard suspension is a 2 hour job max anyway if you wanted.

Interesting. I wasn't aware the 5 series touring had it.
To be honest, I prefer the MK2's to the MK1's. If I was going for a MK1 it would have to be OE spec and a GTI.
No offence implied though, as I do like your yellow one; really eye catching.
I know with classics opinion is divided, some prefer total OE spec, and some prefer modified. Personally I like a nice set of BBS RS on a classic for example.
The BBS RA you have on it suit it, one of my favourite wheels.
Well maybe put it through an NCT and see then? I always think its a good selling point, even a fail sheet gives a potential idea of work needed; so it isn't necessarily a negative. OK its 55 Euro, but it could get you the full 5K asking price if it passes.
Anyway, best of luck with the sale.

Red Kev · 29-01-2017 5:35pm

MrRolex wrote: »

Nice clean Golf GTI 16V. Always liked them in black. High price in my opinion, but I suppose excellent condition and mileage justifies it.
Any thoughts?
https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1989-volkswagen-mk2-golf-gti-16v-small-bumper/14056272

No NCT is a big turn off for me. Either it's been to the NCT and failed (if so, I'd like to see the fail sheet), or the seller wasn't bothered taking it there, which is odd as it's only €55, which is very little when you look at the overall costs of running that car.

There's a couple of non original parts like the radio and steering wheel that I'd like to see on a car of that price. Overall, it's too expensive IMO.

MrRolex · 29-01-2017 5:45pm

Red Kev wrote: »

No NCT is a big turn off for me. Either it's been to the NCT and failed (if so, I'd like to see the fail sheet), or the seller wasn't bothered taking it there, which is odd as it's only €55, which is very little when you look at the overall costs of running that car.

There's a couple of non original parts like the radio and steering wheel that I'd like to see on a car of that price. Overall, it's too expensive IMO.

Agreed, for 6.4K I would want to be seeing 12 months NCT and at least 3 months tax. Or at the very least a fail sheet. You are right, 55 Euro is nothing to spend, considering the owner has spent thousands on the restoration.
For me a fail sheet isn't a bad thing at all. I would rather see the seller is upfront and open about any work needed to be done. No NCT test often means the seller knows something major needs to be done; hence wanting to sell.
I always ask myself, if this is so good; then why is he selling and not keeping it for himself. Sometimes its a genuine reason, like a baby on the way; or needing the funds for a wedding etc. But more often than not, its because the owner has run out of money, and the car needs something major.
Also agree I prefer to see type 19's OE spec, and that means fully, down to the steering wheel and alloys. Granted the bottle tops that came on '89 16V's weren't as nice as BBS RA on the '90 spec, but they were OE nonetheless.
I think overall its a clean car, but for 6.4K it needs that NCT plus put back to OE spec.

Ronan H · 29-01-2017 5:56pm

I'm fairly sure that car doesn't need anything major. I know the car and owner. In this particular situation, I wouldn't let lack of NCT put me off.

miniireland · 30-01-2017 3:33am

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miniireland · 30-01-2017 4:04am

MrRolex wrote: »

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miniireland · 30-01-2017 4:06am

Ronan H wrote: »

I'm fairly sure that car doesn't need anything major. I know the car and owner. In this particular situation, I wouldn't let lack of NCT put me off.

That mk2 is one of the best around

miniireland · 30-01-2017 4:14am

MrRolex wrote: »

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unkel · 30-01-2017 1:30pm

moryan1990 wrote: »

Thats my own one.

Lovely car! Any reason why it's never had an NCT though?

millington · 31-01-2017 10:36am

Anyway, back on topic

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/92-toyota-landcruiser-70-series/14531353

w124man · 31-01-2017 7:43pm

I love those Landcruisers! Had one years ago and was as reliable as they come.

Tzar Chasm · 01-02-2017 10:47am

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/78-ford-cortina-525tds-running-gear/14382257

I like this, it would all come down to how well it was assembled

Dades · 01-02-2017 12:13pm

Would love to know who's insuring that for €140. Looks a bit of a beastie.

Zoo4m8 · 01-02-2017 12:23pm

Dades wrote: »

Would love to know who's insuring that for €140. Looks a bit of a beastie.

Insurance company not notified of mods?

Tigger · 01-02-2017 12:26pm

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/78-ford-cortina-525tds-running-gear/14382257

I like this, it would all come down to how well it was assembled

No photos of the work ?

Tigger · 01-02-2017 12:27pm

Zoo4m8 wrote: »

Insurance company not notified of mods?

Is it not basically a kit car ?

Zoo4m8 · 01-02-2017 1:58pm

Tigger wrote: »

Is it not basically a kit car ?

Heavily modified standard 1600 by the looks of it, still showing as a 1600 as well so presumably taxed and insured as same...

Duke O Smiley · 01-02-2017 4:58pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/peugeot-504-cabriolet/14575604

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This is lovely. Really lovely

Arthur Daley · 01-02-2017 8:04pm

I don't know it's not too bad for 15k for something rare enough and a viable classic in the uk. The steering sheel is manky though. Presume it's original, seems out of sych with the rest of the car.

This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

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