This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

elperello · 16-02-2020 11:35pm

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

Don't see it on the auld Donedeal. Is it in good nick?

Looks lovely.
Recent import short test.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1988-saab-900i-jubilee/24021281

oceanman · 16-02-2020 11:51pm

elperello wrote: »

I don't recall it but it looks nice.
He has a 1988 900i Jubilee for sale also.

sorry folks, just thought I seen it up before, my mistake.

unkel · 17-02-2020 12:30am

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

I can't say I know a lot about Mercs, but this seems like a nice car for a good price https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/mercedes-benz-se300/24233320

Ad says "one owner from new"

This is a plain lie, the car is down as a 2 owner car, which is easily checked. Also the car is down with cartell as a make: MERCEDES BENZ model: UNKNOWN. This is a tell tale sign that the car was imported. The 2 owners I mentioned above are 2 Irish based owners, so the car has had at least 3 owners

When I came across something like this, my first thought is: what else is the seller lying about?

Also the car is still on the normal motor tax system (EUR1494 per year). Needless to say, the car is untaxed. And none of you will be surprised that the car hasn't had an NCT in a decade. And mileage over 200k miles, the car can handle, but I'd put money on the car being very tired. Personally, I wouldn't even bother picking up the phone to ring the seller. Let alone waste my time going to see it.

Duke O Smiley · 17-02-2020 1:02am

That W126 is indeed a UK import, although it has spent more time on these shores than in England. Two owners, but to be honest you can forgive the seller that blunder, the logbook under section J.1 lists ‘no. of PREVIOUS owners’ so a 2 owner car will have had 1 previous owner, and ‘1’ will be listed on the logbook. Honestly, 90% of sellers (of classics and moderns) make this mistake.

I think the fact that it is still on cc tax is a good thing. Obviously it is the first thing I would be changing if I bought the car, but it’s a good indicator of the type of person the previous owner was. In this instance I’m guessing someone elderly has had that car for a very long, and they only sold it last September (the last date of sale).

For all we know they could have had it from new. Plenty of Irish went off to the UK and made successful lives and careers for themselves. Owner could well have retired back to Cork and brought his beloved Merc with him. In fact, I know an elderly Irish gent from Mayo who has resided in Kilburn in London since the mid 50s. He has been driving a 92 W126 S Class for the last 20-odd years and loves it. I’ve posted a few photos of it in this forum over the years.

I think calling the seller of the above car a liar is a massive overreaction.

unkel · 17-02-2020 1:58am

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

For all we know they could have had it from new.

Possible in theory. The car might very well have been owned by one person in Ireland for some time and maybe the car has been off the road for a long time, that could explain the lack of tax and test 10 years out

The seller is a trader though (see the stickers on the cars in the yard), and the car has 2 owners in Ireland plus an owner in the UK. If it really was a one owner car (before he bought it), he should have given us a reason to believe him

If anyone rings the seller or goes to see this car, please report back here

oceanman · 17-02-2020 9:12pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/280zx-auto/24241579
anyone up for a bit of welding?

KevRossi · 17-02-2020 9:41pm

This is very nice, looks to be totally original, decent price too. A couple of weekends giving it a detail with a few beers and it would be a lovely runner for the summer. The red plates, original radio (missing a button) and long ownership give me a bit of confidence in it.

1982 Fiesta 1.0, NCT 01/2021, €3,150

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1982-ford-fiesta-957cc/24241978

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Duke O Smiley · 17-02-2020 9:49pm

That is lovely.

To think I bought a road legal and NCT’d Mk1 Fiesta from travellers 7 years ago for 250!

kadman · 17-02-2020 10:32pm

oceanman wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/280zx-auto/24241579
anyone up for a bit of welding?

Gone. What was it?

JabbaTheHut · 17-02-2020 10:36pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

That is lovely.

To think I bought a road legal and NCT’d Mk1 Fiesta from travellers 7 years ago for 250!

You didn't do too bad even back then for €250

JabbaTheHut · 17-02-2020 10:37pm

kadman wrote: »

Gone. What was it?

URL says 280zx auto

Duke O Smiley · 17-02-2020 10:53pm

JabbaTheHut wrote: »

You didn't do too bad even back then for €250

I missed out on a half decent Cortina Starcraft from the same seller for about 8 or 900 quid! Ended up buying a 1985 Renault trafic from him instead

oceanman · 17-02-2020 11:00pm

kadman wrote: »

Gone. What was it?

a 1980 Datsun 280z. didn't look too bad. 2500 euro.

kadman · 17-02-2020 11:13pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/jaguar-xj8/24229611
Nct'd, class car.

kadman · 17-02-2020 11:17pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I missed out on a half decent Cortina Starcraft from the same seller for about 8 or 900 quid! Ended up buying a 1985 Renault trafic from him instead

Lucky you, its one Fugly yoke:D

TigerTim · 17-02-2020 11:44pm

That Fiesta brings back memories. My missus had one the same terracotta colour when we first met. I hated it with a vengeance. Would never start easily in the morning so she used to put an old coat or blanket over the engine at night in the winter. One morning she forgot to take off the blanket & a few miles out the road she saw the paint starting to bubble on the bonnet. Blanket caught fire & so did the car. Best thing that ever happened to it.

T.:)

RobAMerc · 17-02-2020 11:51pm

TigerTim wrote: »

That Fiesta brings back memories. My missus had one the same terracotta colour when we first met. I hated it with a vengeance. Would never start easily in the morning so she used to put an old coat or blanket over the engine at night in the winter. One morning she forgot to take off the blanket & a few miles out the road she saw the paint starting to bubble on the bonnet. Blanket caught fire & so did the car. Best thing that ever happened to it.

T.:)

Learned to drive in a light Blue fiesta - learned a few other things in the back seat too :pac:

My abiding memory was the catastrophic and pant browning understeer I used to get in wet conditions. How I never went front ways through a hedge with "losing my religion" blaring from the awful stereo is beyond me!

unkel · 18-02-2020 12:07am

KevRossi wrote: »

1982 Fiesta 1.0, NCT 01/2021, €3,150

Another seller telling porky pies. He should have done a better job hiding the reg if he didn't want us to find out the car has no NCT and never had any :rolleyes:

Duke O Smiley · 18-02-2020 12:16am

unkel wrote: »

Another seller telling porky pies. He should have done a better job hiding the reg if he didn't want us to find out the car has no NCT and never had any :rolleyes:

There’s a recent NCT cert in the window (going by the colours)

I’m guessing you have the wrong reg

unkel · 18-02-2020 12:27am

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

I’m guessing you have the wrong reg

That could very well be the case of course.

I had to guess the reg as the seller is trying to disguise it. Why not just show the reg? Why the secrecy if you're not trying to hide anything? Every car I've ever had for sale has had the reg clearly visible in the pictures.

My guess was 287TZO

Anyone got another guess of the reg, that matches an entry in cartell? Anyone ask the seller?

elperello · 18-02-2020 12:29am

unkel wrote: »

Another seller telling porky pies. He should have done a better job hiding the reg if he didn't want us to find out the car has no NCT and never had any :rolleyes:

He'd want to be a very poor salesman to tell such an untruth.

How would you think the conversation would go when someone rocks up to view the car?

RobAMerc · 18-02-2020 12:37am

unkel wrote: »

Ad says "one owner from new"

This is a plain lie, the car is down as a 2 owner car, which is easily checked.

I recently emailed about a car on done deal, the seller told me it was 1 owner.
I asked the seller so was it yours in the UK (ZV plate).
The seller told me how he had brought the car in recently - making it a 1 plus 1 = 1 owner car

unkel · 18-02-2020 12:43am

RobAMerc wrote: »

I recently emailed about a car on done deal, the seller told me it was 1 owner.
I asked the seller so was it yours in the UK (ZV plate).
The seller told me how he had brought the car in recently - making it a 1 plus 1 = 1 owner car

In the above case it was 1 plus 1 plus 1 = 1 owner car

1 owner in the UK, then the 1 (and only) owner in Ireland and then the seller who owns it now...

elperello · 18-02-2020 12:51am

Surely if someone buys a one owner car and sells it on without using it then it's fair enough to describe it as one owner?

One person owned and looked after a car that survived from new to be a classic.

RobAMerc · 18-02-2020 11:37am

elperello wrote: »

Surely if someone buys a one owner car and sells it on without using it then it's fair enough to describe it as one owner?

One person owned and looked after a car that survived from new to be a classic.

A dealer, no, but if your name is on the VLC or VRC - you are an owner. +1

BonnieSituation · 18-02-2020 12:16pm

TigerTim wrote: »

That Fiesta brings back memories. My missus had one the same terracotta colour when we first met. I hated it with a vengeance. Would never start easily in the morning so she used to put an old coat or blanket over the engine at night in the winter. One morning she forgot to take off the blanket & a few miles out the road she saw the paint starting to bubble on the bonnet. Blanket caught fire & so did the car. Best thing that ever happened to it.

T.:)

No temptation to pick it up so?

supervento · 18-02-2020 10:02pm

unkel wrote: »

Possible in theory. The car might very well have been owned by one person in Ireland for some time and maybe the car has been off the road for a long time, that could explain the lack of tax and test 10 years out

The seller is a trader though (see the stickers on the cars in the yard), and the car has 2 owners in Ireland plus an owner in the UK. If it really was a one owner car (before he bought it), he should have given us a reason to believe him

If anyone rings the seller or goes to see this car, please report back here

I always try to avoid jumping straight to a conclusion... a well learnt lesson during my teenage years....

I went on a date with a girl i had a crush on and she told me " I am bi... i hope you dont mind...." I had thought i had hit the jackpot.... endless possibility's ran through my mind..... which was very short lived when i realized she meant "bi polar"....

unkel · 18-02-2020 10:20pm

supervento wrote: »

I always try to avoid jumping straight to a conclusion...

Nobody has come up with an alternative yet for the reg I guessed. So it looks like it's pretty safe to assume I jumped straight to the right conclusion, don't you think?

Duke O Smiley · 18-02-2020 10:22pm

unkel wrote: »

Nobody has come up with an alternative yet for the reg I guessed. So it looks like it's pretty safe to assume I jumped straight to the right conclusion, don't you think?

There is clearly a new NCT cert in the window

oceanman · 18-02-2020 10:24pm

supervento wrote: »

I always try to avoid jumping straight to a conclusion... a well learnt lesson during my teenage years....

I went on a date with a girl i had a crush on and she told me " I am bi... i hope you dont mind...." I had thought i had hit the jackpot.... endless possibility's ran through my mind..... which was very short lived when i realized she meant "bi polar"....

unkel · 18-02-2020 10:28pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

There is clearly a new NCT cert in the window

You have excellent eye sight. Could you tell from the cert what the reg of the car is?

RobAMerc · 18-02-2020 10:30pm

supervento wrote: »

I always try to avoid jumping straight to a conclusion... a well learnt lesson during my teenage years....

I went on a date with a girl i had a crush on and she told me " I am bi... i hope you dont mind...." I had thought i had hit the jackpot.... endless possibility's ran through my mind..... which was very short lived when i realized she meant "bi polar"....

Could be worse, she could have said she liked "trans", and you presumed she like smokie and the bandit !

Duke O Smiley · 18-02-2020 10:36pm

unkel wrote: »

You have excellent eye sight. Could you tell from the cert what the reg of the car is?

No

But I’ve been doing this buying and selling thing for a while, and after probably several hundred cars I can assure you, with confidence, that people don’t lie about NCTs like this.

supervento · 18-02-2020 10:37pm

unkel wrote: »

Nobody has come up with an alternative yet for the reg I guessed. So it looks like it's pretty safe to assume I jumped straight to the right conclusion, don't you think?

What I am trying to say is to try get all the information before you come to a conclusion...

I was actually referring to your previous comments...

I have had it before when buying a Lexus jeep from a private person the seller said its a one owner car I have had it from new, I did a motorcheck and it showed up as two owners... turned out he was M.D of a company and bought the vehicle from the company when he retired. People can easily mix up terminology.... one owner when he should of said one keeper from new...

In relation to the fiesta advert.. have you confirmed with the seller the reg number you have is correct?

elperello · 18-02-2020 10:41pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1969-daimler-sovereign/24114283

Time warp for not much money.

Duke O Smiley · 18-02-2020 10:43pm

elperello wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/1969-daimler-sovereign/24114283

Time warp for not much money.

Seller occasionally posts here

I also spotted it in 2018, check out that old trade plate!

macplaxton · 19-02-2020 1:07am

unkel wrote: »

My guess was 287TZO

unkel wrote: »

Nobody has come up with an alternative yet for the reg I guessed. So it looks like it's pretty safe to assume I jumped straight to the right conclusion, don't you think?

No. Never jump to conclusions. And get to Spec Savers, you can see the reg through the tape (well I can...)

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It's 297 YZO

Anyway, NCT? Overrated

unkel · 19-02-2020 1:29am

Fair play, well spotted!

So the car does indeed have a valid NCT. If only the owner wouldn't have done that dodgy job trying to hide the reg...

jcon1913 · 19-02-2020 10:53am

unkel wrote: »

Fair play, well spotted!

So the car does indeed have a valid NCT. If only the owner wouldn't have done that dodgy job trying to hide the reg...

If he's done that ...sure we'd have nothing to discuss here :pac::pac::pac:

unkel · 19-02-2020 11:43am

Haha, yes that thought crossed my mind

elperello · 19-02-2020 1:26pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Seller occasionally posts here

I also spotted it in 2018, check out that old trade plate!

Do you recall what condition it was in?

51 years old and never painted !

I looked them up. Only a three year production run and 5800 built in total.

Duke O Smiley · 19-02-2020 7:27pm

elperello wrote: »

Do you recall what condition it was in?

51 years old and never painted !

I looked them up. Only a three year production run and 5800 built in total.

I don't know to be honest

I just snapped the photo quickly a few years ago in the RDS car park. It looked good from across the road anyway!

unkel · 21-02-2020 1:31am

Anybody else find there is very little good ones for sale at the moment? Just went through 10+ pages of the vintage section in DoneDeal and couldn't find a single car that was a good enough bargain to post up here. There was a good value W124 Mercedes 260E, but it had chrome wheel arches and I just couldn't post a Mercedes with those

kaizersoze · 21-02-2020 1:33am

unkel wrote: »

Anybody else find there is very little good ones for sale at the moment? Just went through 10+ pages of the vintage section in DoneDeal and couldn't find a single car that was a good enough bargain to post up here. There was a good value W124 Mercedes 260E, but it had chrome wheel arches and I just couldn't post a Mercedes with those

You're starting at the wrong end....start on the last page and work your way back!:pac::D

wrangler · 21-02-2020 12:34pm

kaizersoze wrote: »

You're starting at the wrong end....start on the last page and work your way back!:pac::D

Good stuff is so scarce that if some thing good does come it only lasts a couple of days before its sold and taken off donedeal.

elperello · 21-02-2020 1:11pm

Could be the rotten weather too.

Two weeks of rain wouldn't encourage you to take a classic out or go looking at one.

Sale in Swords coming up April 26th.

unkel · 21-02-2020 1:20pm

elperello wrote: »

Sale in Swords coming up April 26th.

Thinking of going to that this year. What's people's experience of it? Anyone bought / sold or just had a browse?

Duke O Smiley · 21-02-2020 1:50pm

unkel wrote: »

Thinking of going to that this year. What's people's experience of it? Anyone bought / sold or just had a browse?

In my experience most of the stuff there will have been on Donedeal for weeks previous, so nothing new, and everything is crazy money.

I had a couple of cars for sale at the last one, and it was clear that anyone I spoke to had no money, they were just along to nosey at the cars.

That said, I go every year...I’m still waiting to stumble across that diamond among the rough that will make me loads of money

It’s more of a static show than an all out sale really. I think it’s about €30 to display your car for sale indoors on the morning if you get there early enough

ELM327 · 21-02-2020 1:53pm

unkel wrote: »

Thinking of going to that this year. What's people's experience of it? Anyone bought / sold or just had a browse?

I always go, great day out
Don't go expecting to buy anything as there is a 50% premium added to anything for sale, either that or only dreamers are there!

w124man · 21-02-2020 4:38pm

Plenty of good stuff on DD

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/time-warp-example-mercedes-250d-w124/24268577

This weeks Classic Irish bargains that I'm not buying

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