Fiesta ST 1.6 Ecoboost 180bhp 6 speed.

Neilw · 25-09-2014 2:57pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I gave that a bit of thought and decided it's probably not a runner. 197bhp (on overboost) and advertised as the power output in the USA and other markets) is plenty I think.

Then there's costs and hastle, and it might make resale trickier down the line.

I would say resale would be easier with a ford approved upgrade, similar to subaru and their PPP upgrades and vw's performance pack.

There is also the increase in torque to factor in and every test with the upgrade gave it glowing review.

dar83 · 25-09-2014 3:10pm

Mountune is a no brainer if you want to keep things warranty friendly and also get the best from the car.

If you fancy going a bit more 'all-out' with it, there's always the Pumaspeed packages option and a 280bhp Fiesta ST.

http://www.pumaspeed.com/car-Fiesta-ST-180-16-Ecoboost_1_326.jsp

Henry Ford III · 25-09-2014 3:13pm

dar83 wrote: »

Christ whatever you do don't get an ST1!

Get a decently kitted one, or the ST2 as the Irish market allows. It still pains me to see the amount of MkII Focus ST's that are bare bones and ST1 spec in this country.

Funnily enough I'd have the opposite view.

ST2's increased spec is:

LED daytime running lights.
1/2 leather Recaro seats. ST1 has cloth Recaro seats.
Sony audio.
Climate control. ST1 has manual a/c.
Rear privacy glass.
Push button start.

Not worth an additional €1500 to me.

afatbollix · 25-09-2014 3:39pm

Test drove one and was as quick as my clio 197 Engine noise was a bit different allmost sounded like they have a microphone under the bonnet and it comes out the speakers.

Its a good car very nice and looks amazing.
If I was to get one it would have to have the keyless start and cruise control, Your only off a ST3 by a few hundred then so I would get the ST3.

But Im after something bigger now, Focus ST just doesn't float my boat at the moment either. Think I might go the saloon class.

Henry Ford III · 25-09-2014 3:44pm

afatbollix wrote: »

Test drove one and was as quick as my clio 197 Engine noise was a bit different allmost sounded like they have a microphone under the bonnet and it comes out the speakers.

Its a good car very nice and looks amazing.
If I was to get one it would have to have the keyless start and cruise control, Your only off a ST3 by a few hundred then so I would get the ST3.

But Im after something bigger now, Focus ST just doesn't float my boat at the moment either. Think I might go the saloon class.

A sound symposer is used, so you're right on the piped sound.

Cruise control on a hot hatch? Nah.

ST3 isn't available in Ireland.

Neilw · 25-09-2014 4:13pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Funnily enough I'd have the opposite view.

ST2's increased spec is:

LED daytime running lights.
1/2 leather Recaro seats. ST1 has cloth Recaro seats.
Sony audio.
Climate control. ST1 has manual a/c.
Rear privacy glass.
Push button start.

Not worth an additional €1500 to me.

I would be of the opposite opinion, €1500 well spent. It will make the car easier to sell on.
I'd actually say that's a bit of a bargain at €1500,

Zubeneschamali · 25-09-2014 4:16pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Cruise control on a hot hatch?

Cruise control on everything that moves, for me.

dar83 · 25-09-2014 5:07pm

The Sony Audio and upgraded seats are worth it alone for me, if it's the same as the Focus ST. There's a world of difference in the additional speakers and audio quality from the upgraded unit. Climate control is much nicer than manual A/C and realistically if you're selling it on in 3 years from now, it will be a nearly standard feature in most cars and one without will really seem outdated.

Overall for €1500 you're getting quite a bit more and do they not still give you the Drivers pack and stuff like that as standard in the ST2? Nice things like door protectors and illuminated ST sill plates etc... ? All not exactly necessary but really nice touches and the little things that make the car all the more special.

Henry Ford III · 25-09-2014 5:50pm

Each to their own but in that class of car for me manual a/c is fine. So are cloth recaros, and so is a decent stereo.

More important are proper driver aids like abs/esp/eba/ebd, traction control with torque vectoring, Sync, heated windscreen etc.

dar83 · 25-09-2014 11:19pm

Traction control is the devil in a hot hatch. :P

Disengage!

Leonard Hofstadter · 26-09-2014 12:12am

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Funnily enough I'd have the opposite view.

ST2's increased spec is:

LED daytime running lights.
1/2 leather Recaro seats. ST1 has cloth Recaro seats.
Sony audio.
Climate control. ST1 has manual a/c.
Rear privacy glass.
Push button start.

Not worth an additional €1500 to me.

I just downloaded the brochure for the Fiesta ST, and it says that the ST1 doesn't have basic a/c as standard.

The ST2 has manual a/c (no climate control), while the privacy glass and push button start are an option pack for the ST2 only.

The a/c on its own would be enough of a reason for me to upgrade to the ST2.

In fact, both models are complete poverty spec Paddy spec specials (the ST1 especially so), even the Irish ST2 is only a fraction better than the UK ST1 and then they have the proper ST2 and now an ST3 spec as well to choose from....

Henry Ford III · 26-09-2014 7:32am

captainspeed wrote: »

I just downloaded the brochure for the Fiesta ST, and it says that the ST1 doesn't have basic a/c as standard.

The ST2 has manual a/c (no climate control), while the privacy glass and push button start are an option pack for the ST2 only.

The a/c on its own would be enough of a reason for me to upgrade to the ST2.

In fact, both models are complete poverty spec Paddy spec specials (the ST1 especially so), even the Irish ST2 is only a fraction better than the UK ST1 and then they have the proper ST2 and now an ST3 spec as well to choose from....

The brochure is out of date. Confirmed by Ford in Cork on the phone.

p.s. Try adding manual a/c to an ST1 on the car configurator.

MuppetCheck · 26-09-2014 9:13am

Jesus Henry, you're getting a hard time of it considering the tiny minority you're in buying a car like that.

testicle · 26-09-2014 9:25am

captainspeed wrote: »

I just downloaded the brochure for the Fiesta ST, and it says that the ST1 doesn't have basic a/c as standard.

The ST2 has manual a/c (no climate control), while the privacy glass and push button start are an option pack for the ST2 only.

The a/c on its own would be enough of a reason for me to upgrade to the ST2.

In fact, both models are complete poverty spec Paddy spec specials (the ST1 especially so), even the Irish ST2 is only a fraction better than the UK ST1 and then they have the proper ST2 and now an ST3 spec as well to choose from....

Stop talking out your hole please.

dar83 · 26-09-2014 9:35am

MuppetCheck wrote: »

Jesus Henry, you're getting a hard time of it considering the tiny minority you're in buying a car like that.

If you're gonna do it, do it right. :P

I'm guessing the old brochure is out of date and there's a facelift on the way, similar to the Focus. The new base spec is a vast imporrovement on the original Fiesta ST base spec, so you're not doing too badly going for it.

Henry Ford III · 26-09-2014 10:13am

dar83 wrote: »

If you're gonna do it, do it right. :P

I'm guessing the old brochure is out of date and there's a facelift on the way, similar to the Focus. The new base spec is a vast imporrovement on the original Fiesta ST base spec, so you're not doing too badly going for it.

As I said each to their own.

The Fiesta has just had a facelift btw.

dar83 · 26-09-2014 10:25am

Henry Ford III wrote: »

As I said each to their own.

The Fiesta has just had a facelift btw.

Thought they were doing another for 2015, or is that what they're calling the last one already?

bazz26 · 26-09-2014 11:21am

The current Fiesta was facelifted at the end of 2012, unless they facelifted it again now.

Leonard Hofstadter · 27-09-2014 10:11am

Henry Ford III wrote: »

The brochure is out of date. Confirmed by Ford in Cork on the phone.

p.s. Try adding manual a/c to an ST1 on the car configurator.

My apologies - I assumed the Ford brochure would be correct about such matters:D!

I'd still go for the ST2 - part leather and climate control are enough for me. I reckon the ST2 will be worth more secondhand too - it's a niche car in Ireland and anyone who wants a used one is buying it because they like hot hatches so they will want the one with more spec.

Henry Ford III · 27-09-2014 11:00am

captainspeed wrote: »

My apologies - I assumed the Ford brochure would be correct about such matters:D!

I'd still go for the ST2 - part leather and climate control are enough for me. I reckon the ST2 will be worth more secondhand too - it's a niche car in Ireland and anyone who wants a used one is buying it because they like hot hatches so they will want the one with more spec.

It probably will be worth a little more used, but not much more, and because I'll probably move it on within 12 months, not really worth the extra investment.

A hot hatch shouldn't have leather seats imho - your arse should be planted and held in place.

Climate control over manual a/c? I've owned many cars that had one or t'other - Climate Control you set the temp. A/c you turn a dial hotter or colder. Much of a muchness. The only difference is the interface.

Henry Ford III · 27-09-2014 11:06am

One thing that makes me more interested in a new Fiesta ST is it's likely residuals. It's relatively rare and will be much in demand used, so it'll not depreciate too badly at all I'd expect.

Leonard Hofstadter · 27-09-2014 11:10am

Henry Ford III wrote: »

One thing that makes me more interested in a new Fiesta ST is it's likely residuals. It's relatively rare and will be much in demand used, so it'll not depreciate too badly at all I'd expect.

The fact it's got such good reviews in the press probably will help it hold onto its value better than other hot hatches. It's in a sensible tax band as well, being only marginally dearer than the 1.25. For all its faults, this is where the CO2 taxation can be very beneficial, if it was the old system it would be taxed as a 1.6, which would be a fair whack more than a 1.25 or especially the 1.0 Ecoboost. With the CO2 system it's a still very reasonable €280, compared to €200 for the 1.25 models.

dar83 · 27-09-2014 3:29pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

A hot hatch shouldn't have leather seats imho - your arse should be planted and held in place.

This is a strange thing to say. Unless you wear track suit bottoms every day of your life then I'm not sure this would ever be an issue. The leather Recaro's in the MkII are the exact same shape as the cloth seats. Neither of them hold better or worse and they're both ridiculously comfortable.

Also the fact the ST3 spec ain't available here in the newer generations, means that you'll only ever get part leather seats anyway, never the full shebang.

Henry Ford III · 27-09-2014 5:30pm

dar83 wrote: »

This is a strange thing to say. Unless you wear track suit bottoms every day of your life then I'm not sure this would ever be an issue. The leather Recaro's in the MkII are the exact same shape as the cloth seats. Neither of them hold better or worse and they're both ridiculously comfortable.....

As I've said each to their own.

p.s. A MkII what?

hooch-85 · 24-11-2014 6:12pm

Reviving an old thread here, I'm considering upgrading my 2006 GTi for a Fiesta ST.

Haven't driven one yet but have one lined up for next weekend hopefully.

They are a bit too pricey brand new at 29k for an ST2 (an ST2 sold recently for 25k in Cavanaghs of Charleville but that was a one off apparently) so I am thinking of importing a 2013/14 model from across the pond.

Only thing is I can't get a VRT quote. Based on emissions of 138g/km it falls under the 19% of OMSP band, anyone VRT'd one lately? What kind of OMSP's are the revenue plucking out of their arses for these?

fletch · 24-11-2014 6:15pm

Is this one no longer available? http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/ford/fiesta/used-2014-142-ford-fiesta-st2-1-6-3d-cork-fpa-72514090603084070

hooch-85 · 24-11-2014 6:19pm

fletch wrote: »

Is this one no longer available? http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/ford/fiesta/used-2014-142-ford-fiesta-st2-1-6-3d-cork-fpa-72514090603084070

No I enquired, it sold on Saturday. He said he'd get back to me if the deal falls through, its not being registered till January, was a good price at 25k.

ba_barabus · 24-11-2014 9:49pm

Any chance they'd source another one at that price of you left them a deposit?

hooch-85 · 24-11-2014 9:54pm

ba_barabus wrote: »

Any chance they'd source another one at that price of you left them a deposit?

No that was a one off deal apparently. Only hope would be if the deal fell through

Put my Golf GTi on donedeal an hour ago and have someone coming to view tomorrow. Hadn't thought about selling so quick but if the moneys right i might have to let it go

Henry Ford III · 19-01-2015 7:49pm

I had a look at a new Fiesta ST the other day. It's a very nice car in the flesh.

Might do a raid on the piggy bank?

dr.fuzzenstein · 19-01-2015 8:03pm

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Ever driven a 911 with leather seats around a track? Its quite annoying nearly borderline dangerous sliding around the seats. Half leather+alacantra is always my preferred choice.

+1
If leather was indeed the better, grippier material for racing, all racing cars would have it...

GavRedKing · 19-01-2015 9:01pm

Theres a mechanic down in the local Ford garage has a 141 ST in red. Looks lovely in the flesh too.

Alanstrainor · 19-01-2015 9:03pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I had a look at a new Fiesta ST the other day. It's a very nice car in the flesh.

Might do a raid on the piggy bank?

Yes you should. Boards told you to...

Henry Ford III · 21-01-2015 10:09am

Still thinking......

Henry Ford III · 21-01-2015 4:14pm

Thinking of an ST1 now in red, with a few options.....

Neilw · 21-01-2015 4:29pm

Still no talking you into buying the ST2?

Henry Ford III · 21-01-2015 6:23pm

The car I drove was an ST2. Spirit Blue was a €750 option and the seats were nice. My Dealer reckons the difference (€2250) would net down to €750 after 12 months. For retained value it's an ST1 with 2 option packs all the way.

dar83 · 21-01-2015 6:35pm

But for knowing you made the right choice and did things in style, the ST2 is the only way to go. :P

Neilw · 21-01-2015 7:33pm

dar83 wrote: »

But for knowing you made the right choice and did things in style, the ST2 is the only way to go. :P

Plus if I was in the market for a used one of these I'd walk past an ST1 regardless of option packs.

Henry Ford III · 21-01-2015 7:39pm

Neilw wrote: »

Plus if I was in the market for a used one of these I'd walk past an ST1 regardless of option packs.

Each to their own, but my view is the Irish 2nd hand buyer is primarily concerned with price over spec.

As a matter of interest which spec. items on an ST2 are most attractive to you?

dar83 · 21-01-2015 8:02pm

Neilw wrote: »

Plus if I was in the market for a used one of these I'd walk past an ST1 regardless of option packs.

I'm the exact same and when it comes to an ST you definitely want to have as much spec as possible as the type of buyer that goes for one (even second hand) wants a decent spec. A regular Irish 2nd hand buyer isn't going to want an ST and the added initial expense of one anyway, so you'll already be in looking at a resale market that isn't madeup of the price/low tax brigade.

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Each to their own, but my view is the Irish 2nd hand buyer is primarily concerned with price over spec.

As a matter of interest which spec. items on an ST2 are most attractive to you?

For me the seats and the audio upgrade are two huge elements and something I'd put money into anyway if not spec'd to my liking on a car I purchased. Am I also correct in thinking that the ST1 doesn't even have Manual A/C these days? If so then that's another big one, as once you have it you can't ever really go back to a hot/cold blower...

Henry Ford III · 21-01-2015 8:08pm

ST1 has manual a/c I think.

Neilw · 21-01-2015 10:03pm

Seats, audio and climate are worth the extra alone.

As dar already said your average buyer isn't looking for a fiesta ST and those who are will be looking for the highest spec car.

What's the difference in price between the st1 with options you're interested in and an st2?

Btw I'd take what a dealer says about value after x amount of years with a pinch of salt, they'd say mass for a sale.

Henry Ford III · 21-01-2015 10:19pm

This car is a hot hatch. ST1 is mechanically identical to ST2. Both models have Recaro seats (ST2 has half leather trim). Both models have a decent stereo - with usb/ipod/Sync (ST2 has a Sony head unit). Both models have a heated windscreen, a/c, and a Thatcham Cat1 alarm.

There are a few other minor differences, but the extra €1500 for the difference is neither justified nor meaningful in residual values. The extra €750 for the Blue paint will not reflect in the used value either.

To me at least a hot hatch should be primarily about performance and equipped to exploit that. An ST1 will do that perfectly.

dar83 · 22-01-2015 2:08pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

To me at least a hot hatch should be primarily about performance and equipped to exploit that. An ST1 will do that perfectly.

20 years ago maybe, but these days that doesn't really fly. It's the same reason you don't get people in the UK buying ST1's, if they ever see one a lot of them ask if that was possible.

I'm not arguing that for resale and residuals in Ireland you're not better off buying a paddy spec version, but speaking as someone who owns a hot hatch and has put money into some of the specific things you mention as being not worth spending the money on when buying one, I am the exact use case that shows you that what you are saying is a falsehood.

Luckily for me my car was as close to an ST2 as you could get here (optional Xenon's aside) and the only thing I really needed to make it 'nearly' an ST3 were the leather seats, which I got. But when I was buying my own and even looking now, the amount of ST's for sale in Ireland that are base spec and really quite lacking in anything but the base features that they all possess is startling. Even then, the ST3's you find are generally imports. I've only ever seen one full fat ST3 for sale here, which even included the ST3 optional dual zone climate. Now wheoever bought that one originally is a hero!

Henry Ford III · 22-01-2015 2:49pm

It's down to personal preference really.

Resale is one of my primary considerations, and I reckon the car I'm looking at will be in very high demand in about 12 months time. Residuals are strong on a Fiesta ST.

I think I'll leave it that.

Neilw · 22-01-2015 3:00pm

On a final note, while red is one of my favourite colours it would also put a fair amount of buyers off a used car.
If you're interested in residual value a car in the well know ford blue would be better IMO.

But....I'm not the one buying so enjoy whatever you decide on and revive the thread when you're selling to see if we're right lol.

Henry Ford III · 22-01-2015 3:05pm

Neilw wrote: »

On a final note, while red is one of my favourite colours it would also put a fair amount of buyers off a used car.
If you're interested in residual value a car in the well know ford blue would be better IMO.

But....I'm not the one buying so enjoy whatever you decide on and revive the thread when you're selling to see if we're right lol.

Again each to their own.

I've owned new Ford cars in red in 04, 07, 09, & 13. No problem moving any of them on.

That Spirit Blue costs an additional €750, and my view is it'll not be a good option come resale time.

Drummerboy08 · 22-01-2015 3:20pm

I agree on the extra money for an ST2, it will help it sell in 12 months time but won't make it any more valuable.

The blue metallic would be a must for me tho.

dar83 · 22-01-2015 3:25pm

Funnily enough I may actually be in the market for just this kind of car in 12-18 months time, but an ST1 won't be on my radar, I'd go to the UK for an ST2/3 before I'd buy an ST1 here. Just trying to give you insight into the exact type of buyer you'll be hoping for in that time frame, but we can agree to disagree.

I do hope you go through with the purchase though, just for the fact not many people will and it's great that some people are stil at least considering the best versions of what Ford has to offer.

Fiesta ST 1.6 Ecoboost 180bhp 6 speed.

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