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Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

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  • #4302
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Valley drive is just after the start from Brides glen so it looks like they are skipping the first 2 or 3 stops

    Could that diversion affect all bus routes like the 7 & 84/a with DB?

    I don't see any news about this diversion from DB's website.


  • #4303
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    Could that diversion affect all bus routes like the 7 & 84/a with DB?

    I don't see any news about this diversion from DB's website.

    Dublin bus put it up last week


  • #4304
    Phat Cat
    Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Phat Cat


    Does anyone know why the 63 was every hour instead of every 30 minutes this evening?

    The 18:05 at Old Bray Road towards Dún Laoghaire never showed up so I waited for the 18:35, then on my return journey the 20:40 at the DART station towards Kilternan never showed up so I had to wait for the 21:10.


  • #4305
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Phat Cat wrote: »
    Does anyone know why the 63 was every hour instead of every 30 minutes this evening?

    The 18:05 at Old Bray Road towards Dún Laoghaire never showed up so I waited for the 18:35, then on my return journey the 20:40 at the DART station towards Kilternan never showed up so I had to wait for the 21:10.

    You were unbelievably lucky that the 1835 63 turned up, albeit with only one functioning headlamp. Had it been an even slightly darker evening, the driver would have refused to drive it. :)

    As far as I know, the 1805 63 (that's the 1740 from Kilternan) was heavily delayed in traffic on a previous journey. I've no idea what happened to the 2040 from DL. I can only presume that it too fell victim to heavy traffic earlier in the evening. I'm not aware of any absent drivers anyway.

    Unfortunately, the 63 shares buses and drivers with the 75 and the 45a (and to a lesser extent, the 59 and 111). This ridiculous carry-on means that heavy traffic in Bray or Rathfarnham can have a knock-on effect on the 63.


  • #4306
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    You were unbelievably lucky that the 1835 63 turned up, albeit with only one functioning headlamp. Had it been an even slightly darker evening, the driver would have refused to drive it. :)

    As far as I know, the 1805 63 (that's the 1740 from Kilternan) was heavily delayed in traffic on a previous journey. I've no idea what happened to the 2040 from DL. I can only presume that it too fell victim to heavy traffic earlier in the evening. I'm not aware of any absent drivers anyway.

    Unfortunately, the 63 shares buses and drivers with the 75 and the 45a (and to a lesser extent, the 59 and 111). This ridiculous carry-on means that heavy traffic in Bray or Rathfarnham can have a knock-on effect on the 63.

    It's very interesting how the Go-Ahead group continue with an operational system which proved highly damaging to their Singaporean Tender.

    Interlining,simply cannot work in the current Dublin situation,it is unpopular with staff,customers and,eventually,with the Tenderer.

    I would have expected the GA Head-Office to take a closer interest in their subsidiary making the exact same errors as were made in Singapore,yet expecting a different outcome.

    "Ridiculous carry-on" is a very accurate description. :)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #4307
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,756 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    They have been fined 70k for late/unreliable services according to Irish Times.


  • #4308
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Snip of Article here:
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/go-ahead-fined-70k-for-late-or-unreliable-bus-services-1.4046275
    The National Transport Authority (NTA) is to fine private bus operator Go-Ahead more than €70k for failures to deliver services reliably and on time, it has emerged.

    In a letter to Social Democrats co-leader Catherine Murphy, the NTA said it would be deducting the sum over a failure to meet targets. It follows a number of complaints about the service from politicians and commuters.

    In the letter, the chief executive of the NTA Anne Graham confirmed that Dublin Bus has also be fined €280k this year for failure to operate scheduled services.

    In total since mid-2016, Dublin Bus has been fined more than €3m. Irish Rail was also fined €652k as a result of non-operation of services due to industrial action in 2017, it has emerged.


  • #4309
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The 270 has a diversion in Dunboyne from 12 midday until 6:30pm this evening.
    Diversion in Dunboyne affecting route 270

    Today 12:00 - 18:30

    Affected routes: 270

    Due to Spirit of Dunboyne motor club event, the following diversion will affect route 270 on Sunday the 13th of October between 12:00 and 18:30. Journey to Dunboyne: Normal route to L2228 then divert right to Dunboyne Train Station and terminate at bus bay. Journey to Blanchardstown Centre: Departs train station to L2228 toward Clonee and follows normal route to Blanchardstown Centre. Stops affected: 3332, 3333, 3334, 3351, 3354.

    https://www.goaheadireland.ie/services/270#disruptions


  • #4310
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Thejournal.ie have reported that the fine for not meeting punctuality targets is much smaller this time round for GAI. They have been fined for periods five & six which covers their bus service targets from April to June this year. The total fine to GAI for this period amounts to €34,739.73. The money paid from the fine issued to GAI will be paid back into the NTA's main Public Service Obligation budget.

    11 routes have been noted to have failed to meet their punctuality targets in periods five & six.

    They are the 17/C/D, 17A, 18, 33A, 45A/B, 75/A, 76A, 104, 175, 220/A and the 236A.

    The 75/A were the worst performing route in period five with punctuality of 49.5%. It recorded punctuality of 51.2% in period six.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/go-ahead-irealnd-bus-fined-punctuality-failed-4853606-Oct2019/


  • #4311
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    dublinman1990 wrote: »
    Thejournal.ie have reported that the fine for not meeting punctuality targets is much smaller this time round for GAI. They have been fined for periods five & six which covers their bus service targets from April to June this year. The total fine to GAI for this period amounts to €34,739.73. The money paid from the fine issued to GAI will be paid back into the NTA's main Public Service Obligation budget.

    11 routes have been noted to have failed to meet their punctuality targets in periods five & six.

    They are the 17/C/D, 17A, 18, 33A, 45A/B, 75/A, 76A, 104, 175, 220/A and the 236A.

    The 75/A were the worst performing route in period five with punctuality of 49.5%. It recorded punctuality of 51.2% in period six.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/go-ahead-irealnd-bus-fined-punctuality-failed-4853606-Oct2019/

    You can find a list of performance data in raw, factual form here:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111516923&postcount=14

    WHat's noticeable about that article is Richard Boyd Barrett complaining that privatisation has had an impact on the service, when Go-Ahead has better reliability scores than Dublin Bus and both operators have similar punctuality scores where Dublin Bus hasn't hit its targets at all in the year to date. And some of their routes have punctuality below 30%.

    The only reason that they missed the targets for reliability is that they had a 98% target whereas other operators had 95%, but the others will be changed to 98% too by the end of the year te create a level playing field under the new Dublin Bus contract.

    Not for the first time he's caught making misleading comments about performance of bus services that are influenced on Ideaology rather than cold hard facts and official data. He's a criticising GAI because they are private and not DB because they're not.

    Anyone who truly cares about bus service quality will be vocal about it in general rather than moaning about an operator that they feel has poor scores and being totally silent about a favoured one.with similar or lower scores.


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  • #4312
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    devnull wrote: »
    You can find a list of performance data in raw, factual form here:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=111516923&postcount=14

    WHat's noticeable about that article is Richard Boyd Barrett complaining that privatisation has had an impact on the service, when Go-Ahead has better reliability scores than Dublin Bus and both operators have similar punctuality scores where Dublin Bus hasn't hit its targets at all in the year to date. And some of their routes have punctuality below 30%.

    ...

    Not for the first time he's caught making misleading comments about performance of bus services that are influenced on Ideaology rather than cold hard facts and official data. He's a criticising GAI because they are private and not DB because they're not.

    How can you compare DB services this year or any year with artery services going through the city to the orbital routes of GAI?

    Their average wait time and excess wait time measure for only 13 routes seems to not take into account why the wait is different..


  • #4313
    RuleNumber6
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭RuleNumber6


    dfx- wrote: »
    How can you compare DB services this year or any year with artery services going through the city to the orbital routes of GAI?

    Quite easily, there are punctuality stats by route available for both operators which gives a direct comparison for punctuality before and after.


  • #4314
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    RuleNumber6 wrote: »
    Quite easily, there are punctuality stats by route available for both operators which gives a direct comparison for punctuality before and after.

    That appears to be a calculation of time only, not the variability of that time for a city route to an orbital route.

    Is the same time allocated for a 16 on George's St on a Friday night to a 16 at 11am on a Tuesday morning?


  • #4315
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    dfx- wrote: »
    That appears to be a calculation of time only, not the variability of that time for a city route to an orbital route.

    Is the same time allocated for a 16 on George's St on a Friday night to a 16 at 11am on a Tuesday morning?

    Provided the stats are for the same route, over a comparable time period with mitigating factors taken into account, it should be very doable.


  • #4316
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    You can have targets by day, time of day, but it's a lot of work. I do a lot reporting on performance management and would not look into variables per occurrence unless I'm reviewing items themselves that failed.

    While something can be setup, itll be a lot to maintain it, if operator changes, route changes. You've a lot of rules to review.


  • #4317
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    dfx- wrote: »
    How can you compare DB services this year or any year with artery services going through the city to the orbital routes of GAI?

    Their average wait time and excess wait time measure for only 13 routes seems to not take into account why the wait is different..

    You are aware that high frequency routes for Dublin Bus are already measured to a different metric than lower frequency routes on Dublin Bus and routes that are operated by Go Ahead Ireland?

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    Honestly the stats above don't back up the theory that services operated by GAI are poorer than those operated by Dublin Bus, all they show is that for punctuality there's basically nothing in it if you average it out and for reliability GAI are ahead of Dublin Bus, but Dublin Bus aren't doing too bad either.


  • #4318
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,693 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Provided the stats are for the same route, over a comparable time period with mitigating factors taken into account, it should be very doable.

    Yes, but how are the mitigating factors taken into account? Traffic? Detour? Time of day?


  • #4319
    IE 222
    Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭IE 222


    dfx- wrote: »
    Yes, but how are the mitigating factors taken into account? Traffic? Detour? Time of day?

    The operator notes it to the NTA who either approve or disapprove the reason and adjust the figures.


  • #4320
    youknowitstrue
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 27 ✭youknowitstrue


    Check out this
    Bus Route Complaints per 100,000 passengers*
    DB routes
    84X-25 complaints
    33X-23
    61 -23
    67X-21
    47-17

    GAI routes
    104-155 complaints
    114-142
    76A-117
    33B-89
    18-75

    Would appear GAI are significantly worse


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  • #4321
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    youknowitstrue wrote: »
    Check out this
    Bus Route Complaints per 100,000 passengers*
    DB routes
    84X-25 complaints
    33X-23
    61 -23
    67X-21
    47-17

    GAI routes
    104-155 complaints
    114-142
    76A-117
    33B-89
    18-75

    Would appear GAI are significantly worse

    I think what we do need to see defined is exactly what is considered a complaint as it's not really properly defined from what I can see. The NTA reports do state that some things such as frequency and information provision are outside the operators control - it would be very nice to see in future breakdowns if the complaints by route are broken down into categories as it would give a better picture of what people are not happy with, who is responsible and what needs to be done to improve things - the note that they have put in is useful, but not terribly helpful without a data breakdown.

    It would also be interesting to see how many passengers each service is carrying, as when you are measuring something per 100,000 complaints and the routes are low frequency, not very busy ones, then the number of complaints per 100,000 may actually be more than the total number of complaints for that service as they don't have a 100,000 sample size so simply pro-rata it upwards to get the figures in the reports.

    EG: If an Xpresso service carried 20,000 passengers in a period, and had 4 complaints, that would show up as 20 complaints per 100,000 passengers even though the total complaints is far less, so very small numbers of passenger complaints on services with small sample sizes can make the data look different. Then of course you have issues that Xpresso routes run at peak times when there is more chance of something going wrong and orbitals tend not to have such good bus priority as the main routes to the city centre that have QBCs.


  • #4322
    Weepsie
    Site Banned Posts: 20,686 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Currently on a go ahead bus. Never had a driver mount so many kerbs in my entire life (220 route)


  • #4323
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    youknowitstrue wrote: »
    84X-25 complaints

    A side note to the thread but I imagine the 84X gets few complaints from customers, despite being some of the rudest drivers I and many people I work with have ever met. They don't complain though because the 84X cares little for speed limits or basic road manners. Commuters care about getting home ASAP and it achieves that at the expense of everything else. I always thought it a weird one. 145 drivers, typically the best you will find (in my experience, not always I will admit), the 84X, it is as if their jobs depended on getting from A to B with scant regard for the law ASAP was the only thing worth getting up in the morning for.


  • #4324
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    CramCycle wrote: »
    A side note to the thread but I imagine the 84X gets few complaints from customers, despite being some of the rudest drivers I and many people I work with have ever met. They don't complain though because the 84X cares little for speed limits or basic road manners. Commuters care about getting home ASAP and it achieves that at the expense of everything else. I always thought it a weird one. 145 drivers, typically the best you will find (in my experience, not always I will admit), the 84X, it is as if their jobs depended on getting from A to B with scant regard for the law ASAP was the only thing worth getting up in the morning for.

    There are one or two very rude drivers on that route. It's nowhere near as quick as it used to be either. I think a lot of complaints about the 84X are from people travelling to Greystones/Kilcoole being left stranded at bus stops in the evenings because the bus is full of people only going as far as Stillorgan, Foxrock, Loughlinstown, etc. To be fair, there's not a lot that Dublin Bus can do about that - but there's a new timetable from next week, which might make a difference.


  • #4325
    Joker2019
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 114 ✭✭Joker2019


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    There are one or two very rude drivers on that route. It's nowhere near as quick as it used to be either. I think a lot of complaints about the 84X are from people travelling to Greystones/Kilcoole being left stranded at bus stops in the evenings because the bus is full of people only going as far as Stillorgan, Foxrock, Loughlinstown, etc. To be fair, there's not a lot that Dublin Bus can do about that - but there's a new timetable from next week, which might make a difference.

    Could make the route set down only from Louglinstown onwards


  • #4326
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »
    There are one or two very rude drivers on that route. It's nowhere near as quick as it used to be either. I think a lot of complaints about the 84X are from people travelling to Greystones/Kilcoole being left stranded at bus stops in the evenings because the bus is full of people only going as far as Stillorgan, Foxrock, Loughlinstown, etc. To be fair, there's not a lot that Dublin Bus can do about that - but there's a new timetable from next week, which might make a difference.
    To be fair, I met a nice and good driver on that route the other day, it kinda threw me. Certainly not only one or two. Could they institute a non drop off policy until after Shankill like Aircoach does? Probably impossible to actually run though.


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  • #4327
    thenightman
    Registered Users Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    I thought all the 'X' routes only pick up in/around the city and then drop at 5 or 6 stops only. I get the 69x regularly and last pick up is at Heuston Station and next drop off is on the Naas Road. The regular drivers stick to it religiously, pointing out that it's an X route and that people pay extra for it whenever someone feigns ignorance of the X and asks driver to stop in Kilmainham or Inchicore.

    New drivers are hit and miss, but I always say it to them (politely) that it's not supposed to stop at every stop and it defeats the purpose of the X route if it does.


  • #4328
    .G.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,417 ✭✭✭.G.


    Another GAI double deck going to be out of action for a while. A bin truck drove into the back of it

    https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1187301483383013376?s=19


  • #4329
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    Was that bus on the 75 today?


  • #4330
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    thenightman wrote: »
    I thought all the 'X' routes only pick up in/around the city and then drop at 5 or 6 stops only. I get the 69x regularly and last pick up is at Heuston Station and next drop off is on the Naas Road. The regular drivers stick to it religiously, pointing out that it's an X route and that people pay extra for it whenever someone feigns ignorance of the X and asks driver to stop in Kilmainham or Inchicore.

    New drivers are hit and miss, but I always say it to them (politely) that it's not supposed to stop at every stop and it defeats the purpose of the X route if it does.

    It should be but the 84X drops a ton of people off in Cabinteely quite regularly, people who could have gotten other buses, and which they then have extra 84X to facilitate. Although it would be very difficult to run a pick up only on that route as so many people further down the line need it to get home.


  • #4331
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    CramCycle wrote: »
    It should be but the 84X drops a ton of people off in Cabinteely quite regularly, people who could have gotten other buses, and which they then have extra 84X to facilitate. Although it would be very difficult to run a pick up only on that route as so many people further down the line need it to get home.

    84x isn't meant to stop there...


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  • #4332
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    84x isn't meant to stop there...

    Sorry when I say Cabinteely, I meant the end closer to Cornelscourt SC, although i have seen it stop to let alot less people off at the other end closer to the northern end on the N11.

    Not sure of the rules but it seems odd that there would not be more 145/155 to service these two stops and let the 84X continue with pick ups only and drop offs once you get past loughlinstown roundabout.


  • #4333
    Joker2019
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 114 ✭✭Joker2019


    .G. wrote: »
    Another GAI double deck going to be out of action for a while. A bin truck drove into the back of it

    https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/1187301483383013376?s=19

    Well I don't think that one can be blamed on poor driving by GAI which I believe is nonsense as anytime I've been on a GAI bus I can't say the standard of driving has been any worse than DB. As for the bus being off the road there's always going be a certain amount of buses off the road at any given time whether it be because of mechanical issues, accident damage or vandalism such as stone throwing.


  • #4334
    LastStop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭LastStop


    CramCycle wrote: »
    145 drivers, typically the best you will find (in my experience, not always I will admit), the 84X, it is as if their jobs depended on getting from A to B with scant regard for the law ASAP was the only thing worth getting up in the morning for.

    That's funny because most of the 84x route is on the 145 duty roster so they should be same drivers.

    In the evening the 84x is usually the last run the driver will do so the quicker they get to wicklow the quicker they get back to garage and home. That will all change soon enough when DB bring in timing points like GAI have.


  • #4335
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    LastStop wrote: »
    That's funny because most of the 84x route is on the 145 duty roster so they should be same drivers.

    In the evening the 84x is usually the last run the driver will do so the quicker they get to wicklow the quicker they get back to garage and home. That will all change soon enough when DB bring in timing points like GAI have.

    Really, I wonder what is the difference, are the 84X drivers under huge pressure from the garage. I have met the odd really good 84X driver and the occasional bad 145 driver but typically it 145 = good, 84X = bad.


  • #4336
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Really, I wonder what is the difference, are the 84X drivers under huge pressure from the garage. I have met the odd really good 84X driver and the occasional bad 145 driver but typically it 145 = good, 84X = bad.

    No pressure some just drive as hard as possible as it's such a long run out and then getting back to the garage...

    Driving on the motorway stuck at 65km/h is depressing.


  • #4337
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    No pressure some just drive as hard as possible as it's such a long run out and then getting back to the garage...

    Driving on the motorway stuck at 65km/h is depressing.

    Doesn't really explain them cutting up other road users and punishment passes. There is a real bad streak in some of them or a simple non caring. I find it hard to believe they are the same drivers.


  • #4338
    mia_malkova
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭mia_malkova


    CramCycle wrote: »
    . 145 drivers, typically the best you will find (in my experience, not always I will admit), the 84X, it is as if their jobs depended on getting from A to B with scant regard for the law ASAP was the only thing worth getting up in the morning for.
    CramCycle wrote: »
    Really, I wonder what is the difference, are the 84X drivers under huge pressure from the garage. I have met the odd really good 84X driver and the occasional bad 145 driver but typically it 145 = good, 84X = bad.
    Its the same drivers, the 84x and 145 are on the same roster.
    They are all 145 drivers and a few of their duties do 84x


  • #4339
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    mia_malkova wrote: »
    Its the same drivers, the 84x and 145 are on the same roster.
    They are all 145 drivers and a few of their duties do 84x

    Not all. There are a few extra works.


  • #4340
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Must simply be the pressure on the route or the subset of drivers. Possibly the 145 being so frequent but there is a noticeable difference to me and others I work with or live beside have commented on it.


  • #4341
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    One thing I've heard a lot from drivers is many people are treating it exactly like the dart as there is no interaction with the driver....


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  • #4342
    Joker2019
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 114 ✭✭Joker2019


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Must simply be the pressure on the route or the subset of drivers. Possibly the 145 being so frequent but there is a noticeable difference to me and others I work with or live beside have commented on it.

    I don't see why they would be worse. It's similar in length to other cross city routes such as the likes of the 44 or 155 and I don't think drivers are any worse on those two routes. There are some bad drivers out there don't get me wrong like in all walks of life and jobs but that's not to say the majority of DB and GAI drivers do an excellent job under some challenging circumstances such as traffic, anti social behaviour and crappy duties.


  • #4343
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,536 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    I was trying to get the 114 at Blackrock this evening. I observed some misinformation at the RTPI board at Blackrock Station. It did not have the RT departures for the 17 & 114 displayed on it. It instead displayed a message that the next departure from there was at midnight for the 17 to Blackrock. I thought that was a bit of a joke because I then walked up to the next stop up to Carysfort Avenue. Two of the other RTPI boards in Blackrock hadn't any info on the 17 or the 114 on them.

    The times from Dublin Bus came on them without any problems. I thought this was a little bit strange to highlight this stuff happening today. This lack of information on the RTPI boards at Blackrock wasn't too much of an issue for the GAI routes afterwards though because both the 17 & 114 eventually turned up on time this evening.

    I did wait quite a while for the 114. My waiting time was about 40 minutes. I got it from Carysfort Avenue just after 17:50.

    While I was on the bus; there was some communication going on between the driver & from GAI's control centre at Ballymount to ask why was there issues with the RTPI not coming up on their bus services today. The reply which came back from control centre was that because there was diversions in place all over Dublin today because of the Dublin City Marathon. Your man from control centre also said to the driver that he should try to run the bus service on time for the rest of your shift on that route this evening & to report back to control if the driver had problems with maintaining the schedule.

    I had also seen some official signage from GAI before you go up the staircase inside the bus. I didn't read the signage because I only glanced at it.

    With of the diversions going on in some parts of Dublin because of the marathon; was the 114 able to run a full service while the 17 was off for sometime earlier today?

    Also; was the RTPI able to work properly throughout the rest of Dublin for GAI today?


  • #4344
    john boye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭john boye


    I'm not sure what that post is even about.


  • #4345
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Joker2019 wrote: »
    I don't see why they would be worse. It's similar in length to other cross city routes such as the likes of the 44 or 155 and I don't think drivers are any worse on those two routes. There are some bad drivers out there don't get me wrong like in all walks of life and jobs but that's not to say the majority of DB and GAI drivers do an excellent job under some challenging circumstances such as traffic, anti social behaviour and crappy duties.

    Possibly the 145 drivers are not under as much pressure due to frequency?


  • #4346
    Joker2019
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 114 ✭✭Joker2019


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Possibly the 145 drivers are not under as much pressure due to frequency?

    The 84x is every 10 mins and if there is a 145 or 155 missing there can be more 84x than 145/155. Also the 84x doesn't tend to be full either I see it most mornings and I don't even see people standing on it most days.


  • #4347
    dublinman1990
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    john boye wrote: »
    I'm not sure what that post is even about.

    I was trying to point out that, because the Dublin City Marathon was taking place in Dublin this morning, there was some confusion occurring in the RTPI system later on in the evening when GAI were running their bus services from Blackrock. There was no restrictions at all with buses going in or out of Blackrock Station this evening. All of GAI's buses were running on schedule without curtailments from there.

    Although there were some issues with GAI real time departures not appearing at all on the real time bus stop displays in Blackrock this evening. The same issues happened with Dublin Bus as well earlier today as the RTPI information was not available on their apps or on their website because of rolling diversions taking place due to the Dublin City marathon. But the Dublin Bus real time had returned to normal after the marathon was finished in the City Centre.

    The route of the Dublin City marathon usually runs along some of the 17 route from the N11 at Fosters Avenue right up to the Clonskeagh Mosque.

    There were two other GAI routes affected by the diversions from the marathon today. They were the 18 & 175.

    I asked a question about the 114 route running a full service today because that route's timetable is now integrated with the 17 at Blackrock. When I arrived at Blackrock Station just after 17:10 today. There were no buses available when I got there. I then read the RTPI board at the station which gave me the misleading message that the bus service not running from Blackrock Station until the 17 got into Blackrock at midnight. That message was still wrong because the Go-Ahead bus services did not have those restrictions at all.

    On Go-Ahead Ireland's twitter account; I read 3 tweets that the diversions for the 17, 18 & 175 were meant to be in place from 8am to 7pm tonight. But they did not happen as these restrictions had stopped earlier in the day for the 17. I was waiting for the 114 near PTSB in Blackrock for about 35 minutes. A 17 bus to Rialto had made a stop there to pick up passengers at 17:43. An 84 to Newcastle arrived at that stop 2 minutes later. And 5 minutes after that the 114 arrived at the stop to allow me get dropped up at St Augustine's School at the top of Carysfort Avenue.

    There were also diversions in place for some Dublin bus routes today which run on the N11. The 46a, 47, 145 & 155 were all diverted through Mount Merrion Avenue, Rock Road, Booterstown, Merrion Gates, Sandymount, Irishtown & Ringsend going either to or from the City Centre.


  • #4348
    Joker2019
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 114 ✭✭Joker2019


    I drove past an RTPI screen today and it wasn't displaying any times for either DB or GAI routes. It said to check the DB or TFI website for service info or something along those lines.


  • #4349
    dashcamdanny
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭dashcamdanny


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Possibly the 145 drivers are not under as much pressure due to frequency?

    This is what I dont understand. Drivers are employed to drive in a safe manner at a modest pace. There is no controller in DB who will book you for being late. There should be no pressure. And you will get paid for late breaking.

    You may get in hot water for being early, but you can be late a 1000 times as long as you get everyone there safely. This is where many laps are dropped. Not enough time in the duty bills.

    If you have an accident for driving too fast you will look very guilty. SO its silly to even try and stick to end times. Just drive to the conditions.


  • #4350
    Phat Cat
    Registered Users Posts: 641 ✭✭✭Phat Cat


    I was at Dún Laoghaire station this morning and the 63 due at 8:25am never showed up. I had no choice but to wait for the next one at 9:05am, that never showed up either. Finally the 9:30am bus showed up, so that's over an hour wait at a peak time! That's an absolutely deplorable service and totally unacceptable even by Go-Ahead's very low standards.


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  • #4351
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Phat Cat wrote: »
    I was at Dún Laoghaire station this morning and the 63 due at 8:25am never showed up. I had no choice but to wait for the next one at 9:05am, that never showed up either. Finally the 9:30am bus showed up, so that's over an hour wait at a peak time! That's an absolutely deplorable service and totally unacceptable even by Go-Ahead's very low standards.

    I hope you contacted them and the NTA.


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