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Fraoch333 · 12-11-2022 10:27am

@Hermy I wonder if it could be B.D.S. Bachelor of Dental Surgery

https://www.dentist.ie/_fileupload/history%20of%20the%20lrish%20dental%20association_web.pdf

Pity we have to wait until 2027 for the 1926 Census!

ath262 · 12-11-2022 10:28am

B.D.S. - dentist ?

chooseusername · 12-11-2022 10:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119864422#Comment_119864422

Dental Surgeon maybe? (bachelor of)

chooseusername · 12-11-2022 11:17am

Spent too long footering around!

Hermy · 12-11-2022 12:19pm

Thanks very much folks.

I did wonder if it was a bad rendering of B o S (Bachelor of Science) but dentistry looks spot on.

And her sister was also a medical graduate so it makes sense.

pinkypinky · 13-11-2022 5:48pm

Also thought BDS. Very cool to see 2 women college graduates in a family in that era.

chooseusername · 16-11-2022 5:53pm

Looking for help with parent's names;

Page 122,

14th Mar. 1841 right hand page, third entry from top, I've got daughter Mariannam;

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61039/images/02459_06_0122?pId=2939973

InkedMary 1841.jpg

MOD EDIT: I've added the link to the same record at the NLI website for those who don't have access to Ancestry.

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632135#page/122/mode/1up

Hermy · 16-11-2022 6:20pm

I'm not sure about the father but the mother looks like M. Traynor.

chooseusername · 16-11-2022 6:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119882367#Comment_119882367

Thank you, It wouldn’t accept that link from me.

BowWow · 16-11-2022 6:44pm

Father Tommie? Houlihan Mother M Traynor.

chooseusername · 16-11-2022 6:50pm

I agree with M Traynor.

I think the father’s surname is Houlihan, but the first name has me stumped, Ancestry has Jeremiah but I can’t see it.

pinkypinky · 16-11-2022 6:57pm

I'd say Jeremiah Houlihan and M Traynor

Mariannam is Maryanne in a Latin came of course.

chooseusername · 16-11-2022 7:42pm

Thanks Pinky looks Jeremiah so.

chewed · 22-11-2022 1:15pm

hi there, trying to figure out this name. Is it John Liston?

JDERIC2017 · 22-11-2022 1:22pm

looks like John Liston to me

22-11-2022 1:43pm

Yes, Jno is an old standard abbreviation for John.

chewed · 22-11-2022 2:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119906566#Comment_119906566

Brilliant. Thanks all.

A New earth · 05-01-2023 11:00pm

I hope somebody can decipher the type of cancer on the top entry

ath262 · 05-01-2023 11:06pm

Cancer of

the Mesentery two

years certified

it's a membrane in the abdomen, also the name of an artery

A New earth · 05-01-2023 11:35pm

Thanks very much, I would never have found that. Makes sense though as that type of cancer has followed the family down the years, his son died age 32 with stomach cancer, his granddaughter got stomach cancer but survived and lived to 85, her son has survived bowel cancer and was tested positive for Lynch Syndrome. We now know the line it has come down, thanks again

Hermy · 10-01-2023 11:45am

According to this 1950 US census return Robert Pelly is working as an air press operator but I can't figure out the first word of the industry he's working in. It's the third entry from the bottom. Any thoughts?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHK-9QHW-GLB?personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A6F9R-3BVQ

pinkypinky · 10-01-2023 12:32pm

Hair? That can't be right.

chooseusername · 10-01-2023 12:56pm

Looking at the dots over the "i"'s , I'd say it ends in ice or ile , so could be Maile but the "m" looks wrong.

Could be Wire

JDERIC2017 · 10-01-2023 1:03pm

I would say Mail forms, which would make sense as it is to do with printing.

BowWow · 10-01-2023 2:13pm

Nail ?

Hermy · 10-01-2023 2:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120089769#Comment_120089769

That was my own thought but not with any certainty.

Mick Tator · 10-01-2023 5:32pm

I agree with nail. - nail press and stamping. Two types of press, hydraulic and pneumatic, the latter is called 'air' in the USA. Air tools are faster than hydraulic, so more suited to nailmaking.

chooseusername · 10-01-2023 7:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090787#Comment_120090787

That makes sense, but the last letter is definitely not an "L" as can be seen in, "Retail" and "Mail" elsewhere.

Hermy · 10-01-2023 7:59pm

Thanks for all the comments.

Comparing it with the occupation for the last entry on the page I think the first letter might be a W.

Deja Boo · 10-01-2023 8:28pm

It doesn't appear to be nail to me, their l loop is more pronounced elsewhere... hmmm, does look very much like the 'W in Works as Carpenter' (edit: like Hermy said)

Could it be some shortened form on National? ...Natn ?

Or a misspelling of Ware? Wair for Warehouse?

(edit: like chooseusername said above) --- Wire? Na does look like Wi

https://newarkwire.com/timeline/

Hermy · 10-01-2023 9:21pm

Wire sounds good.

Rmulvany · 20-01-2023 2:27pm

I have a question regarding a note written in a baptism record (Kilnoe Parish, County Clare).

Link:

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634660#page/1/mode/1up

Image:

This record has eluded me for quote some time because the transcript for the entry has the mother's name as Bridget Mugavin and I was searching for a Bridget Markham.

Upon a revisit and a closer look I notice that Markham is written above Mugavin, as well as a shorthand note.

Any ideas to the meaning of the note? Could it be referencing that Bridget was married to a Mr. Mugavin/Mr. Markham before her marriage to Michael Moloney?

55Gem · 20-01-2023 4:53pm

I'd say she was married twice.

The mark above is just the priests initials, think they are JG, they appear a few time just like EM, there is a note on the next page giving EM's name. Eugene something.

If the priests were still living by 1864 you may find their names on Civil Certs of marriages from the parish.

chooseusername · 20-01-2023 8:36pm

There's a marriage of a James Mougavin to Bridget Plean in Killaloe, O Callaghan Mills in April 1845.

I can't find it on NLI, maybe someone can link to it here.

This is a screenshot from Ancestry, and the link;

mougavin.jpg

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/2017930%3A61039?_phsrc=edp18&_phstart=successSource&gsln=mugavin&ml_rpos=4&queryId=434173160ee06cda26ca13bba3e7bcbe

EDIT: Link added...

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634684#page/19/mode/1up

Hermy · 10-03-2023 10:40am

Not exactly a handwriting issue but I'm interested in opinions on this birth record for Thomas Keegan.

He's born in 1920 to Harriet Keegan nee Mickley but the space where his fathers name should be has an X through it.

His father sailed from Queenstown to New York in 1911 and I don't yet know what became of him.

It's the third entry from the bottom.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1920/01220/1507594.pdf

pinkypinky · 10-03-2023 10:46am

Oh that's not something I've seen before. Is there a marriage for the parents?

Hermy · 10-03-2023 11:02am

Yes, parents were married in Naas in 1897 following Harriet's baptism earlier the same month, she having been born in England and previously received a Church of England baptism.

The were living in Cork by the time of their third child's birth in 1903 though the second child's birth record gives the father, John Keegan's, address as London and he working as a groom on all records I have for him.

Thomas died at three weeks old and his death record describes him as a labourers child.

Hermy · 10-03-2023 2:28pm

I'd be inclined to assume that the family lost contact with the father after he went to America and that someone else is Thomas' father.

Perhaps a baptism record would clarify that.

pinkypinky · 10-03-2023 3:17pm

Certainly seems like he wasn't the father.

55Gem · 10-03-2023 4:14pm

At the time (up to quite recently) a married woman's child was by law her husband's even if he wasn't the father so as he wasn't even named on this cert she may have said/believed he was dead or refused to give his name. It's odd that even his surname was written down.

It's a very unusual cert.

chooseusername · 10-03-2023 4:40pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120341169#Comment_120341169

If she knew the husband was not the father it's odd she didn't say who the father was.

But there could be any number of reasons why she withheld the real fathers name. I've seen the father's name left blank but that's a very definite cross for the name and profession.

Hermy · 10-03-2023 6:04pm

Yes it's one of those where the 'what' seems obvious but the 'why' is yet another imponderable to add to my collection!

Hermy · 17-03-2023 9:30am

I wonder could someone check if the front page of the Freeman's Journal of Oct 9th 1885 is any more legible at Find My Past than it is at the Irish News Archive.

It's the marriage notice of Joseph Halpin and Bedelia Nolan and there are what appear to be two words in brackets after the brides name which I can't make out.

euro_girl21 · 17-03-2023 10:00am

It says "...Bedelia (Dotie) second daughter of the late John Nolan"

Hermy · 17-03-2023 10:48am

That's brilliant euro girl - thanks!

pinkypinky · 17-03-2023 10:12pm

Awesome. And you'd never have guessed Dotie as a diminutive for Bedelia.

Mick Tator · 17-03-2023 11:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120371054#Comment_120371054

I don't think it is a diminutive, it's a nickname - Dotie, from a little dote (darling). I've seen it associated with other christian names also. A variation of Bridget/Bedelia that I encountered a while back was 'Pidgie' (in a Cork family).

pinkypinky · 22-03-2023 12:05pm

Morning

Interested in opinions please of the marriage of Terence Dunne to Mary Dunne on 17/2/1868

https://registers.nli.ie/pages/vtls000633359_024?print=true

Mary's parents are Cornelius and Margaret Thompson of Westmeath. There's something in the dispensations box but I can't read it.

Interestingly, the civil marriage for this couple has recorded Mary Smith, and she later married a second time, where her parents are recorded as Cornelius and Bridget. But I've got enough to confirm it's the same woman.

Hermy · 22-03-2023 1:23pm

It looks something like...

Banns in Diocese/ Born in Diocese

of Meath dis...

by Revd P. Duff

P.P. Dunshaughlin

pinkypinky · 22-03-2023 3:20pm

Thanks H.

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