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26-11-2020, 13:57   #7321
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It'll be interesting to see if Biden commits to abolishing presidential pardons.
Is it within his power to do so?

Is it not in the constitution?


I don't have a problem with the concept of a Presidential Pardon - They do have a place , but the decision should not be made by the President alone.

The President can sign it , but the decision should come from some kind of independent review body.
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26-11-2020, 14:03   #7322
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I wonder if Trump pardons Ghislaine Maxwell, or is that even legally possible?
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26-11-2020, 14:07   #7323
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Is it within his power to do so?

Is it not in the constitution?


I don't have a problem with the concept of a Presidential Pardon - They do have a place , but the decision should not be made by the President alone.

The President can sign it , but the decision should come from some kind of independent review body.

Well that would dilute the power and in effect would abolish the privilege. It's unlikely he'll commit to any changes and the pardon will continue to get abused.
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26-11-2020, 14:16   #7324
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Well that would dilute the power and in effect would abolish the privilege. It's unlikely he'll commit to any changes and the pardon will continue to get abused.
As I asked in my previous post - Is it in his power to change it?

It doesn't look like it is , it's part of Article 2 of the Constitution.

So Biden could request a change but it requires a 2/3rd Majority in both houses of Congress and approval by 2/3rds of the States

Hard to see that being successful.
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As I asked in my previous post - Is it in his power to change it?

It doesn't look like it is , it's part of Article 2 of the Constitution.

So Biden could request a change but it requires a 2/3rd Majority in both houses of Congress and approval by 2/3rds of the States

Hard to see that being successful.

Perhaps he'll commit not to use it then.
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26-11-2020, 14:30   #7326
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Perhaps he'll commit not to use it then.
It's not the use that's the problem , it's the abuse.

Trump has used it less than any other President for over 100 years , but he has taken the veritable pi$$ with it when he has used it.

Arpaio , Dinesh d'Sousa and now Flynn with a whole bunch more coming before January 20th.

A simple change that Biden could make would be to publish the reports from the "Office of the Pardon Attorney" who are the group supposed to review all Pardon requests and to provide a "non binding" recommendation to the President.

That way at least you could see definitively which Pardons did not meet basic levels of reasonableness.
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Perhaps he'll commit not to use it then.
is this the new measure biden by metrics we never measured trump by??
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A simple change that Biden could make would be to publish the reports...
But as seen from Trump and his taxes, just because it's what everyone else has done means nothing if the next person decides not to bother. Even if things are set out clearly in the existing rules (such as the presidents business can't profit from them being president) if the next person decides to just ignore the rules then nobody is prepared to do anything about it.
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One thing im very much looking forward to with the demise of trump is the end of the absolute mind meltingly stupid nicknames for all asunder that oppose him.
You know, I hear what you mean. There have been so many more egregious examples of Trump's actions worth chastising but his infantile pettiness, coupled with his presentation of textbook Dunning-Kruger, often caused the biggest eye rolls. I think it was the knowledge he believed his snark to be peak witticisms, probably bolstered by sycophants like Stephen Miller claiming to the world with a straight face Trump was a master orator.
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Pardoning himself won't protect him from state cases as far as i know, which were always the real danger for him. I believe theres quite a few in new york waiting for him.
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26-11-2020, 17:09   #7331
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I wonder if Trump pardons Ghislaine Maxwell, or is that even legally possible?
Now that would be real interesting.
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26-11-2020, 17:10   #7332
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Pardoning himself won't protect him from state cases as far as i know, which were always the real danger for him. I believe theres quite a few in new york waiting for him.
Just read this tweet and I'm wondering would this be possible for trump to pull off?

https://twitter.com/CaslerNoel/statu...489572354?s=19
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26-11-2020, 17:25   #7333
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I imagine nothing will happen until Barr is gone and a new AG is installed.
Speaking of Barr, the DOJ is appealing to the USSC the decision of another court that it cant stand-in and take over defence of the rape case a woman took against Trump. The DOJ is trying to use [again] the excuse that it is acting in defence of the presidents power to work without having to look to other matters.
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26-11-2020, 19:57   #7334
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Perhaps he'll commit not to use it then.
Amazing how Trump's abuse of his power to pardon, you manage to twist into something to attack Biden with.
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It occurs to me that everyone Trump has pardoned, or will pardon, probably has serious dirt on him. So Ghislaine Maxwell could well be next.
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