Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

Frank Bullitt · 10-01-2020 12:31am

AMKC wrote: »

Red Bull did not drop the diffuser it was banned during 2013 under rules by the FIA

I think thats what he means and was trying to say.

I was pointing more towards the sport dropping it, not just RB.

vectra · 10-01-2020 1:49am

Gintonious wrote: »

I was pointing more towards the sport dropping it, not just RB.

Quick question.
Who made the best use of the blown diffuser when it was on cars?

GarIT · 10-01-2020 8:19am

There was an interview on Sky with Webber explaining the situation at the time. Seb was used to 4+ years of More acceleration = More grip in the corners, and then had to adapt to More acceleration = less grip.

He was beaten by Ricciardo fairly but it might be one mitigating factor.

Frank Bullitt · 10-01-2020 6:03pm

vectra wrote: »

Quick question.
Who made the best use of the blown diffuser when it was on cars?

Red Bull, clearly.

Frank Bullitt · 10-01-2020 6:14pm

GarIT wrote: »

There was an interview on Sky with Webber explaining the situation at the time. Seb was used to 4+ years of More acceleration = More grip in the corners, and then had to adapt to More acceleration = less grip.

He was beaten by Ricciardo fairly but it might be one mitigating factor.

So Vettel adapted, sign of a good driver.

Jordan 199 · 10-01-2020 6:22pm

I see Unilever have transferred their sponsorship from Williams to McLaren. Hopefully we might see Ben & Jerry's or Magnum logos on this years McLaren.

GarIT · 10-01-2020 6:48pm

Gintonious wrote: »

So Vettel adapted, sign of a good driver.

Or maybe didn't adapt explaining the poor performance that year

Frank Bullitt · 10-01-2020 7:11pm

GarIT wrote: »

Or maybe didn't adapt explaining the poor performance that year

He won 2 world championships with RB without that exhaust tech (the RB8 and RB9 didn't off throttle blown diffusers), so he was well able to adapt to them :rolleyes:

vectra · 10-01-2020 7:13pm

Gintonious wrote: »

Red Bull, clearly.

Red bull had 2 drivers,
Which one made it work best?

Frank Bullitt · 10-01-2020 7:35pm

vectra wrote: »

Red bull had 2 drivers,
Which one made it work best?

For the 2 years they have the blown diff, Vettel did. For the 2 years without, Vettel again.

Jordan 199 · 13-01-2020 4:48pm

McLaren launch on the 13th of February.

Cool_CM · 15-01-2020 7:50pm

Anybody heading to testing this year?

Charlie-Bravo · 16-01-2020 12:24am

Renault launch on 12 Feb.

Jordan 199 · 16-01-2020 3:51am

astrofluff wrote: »

Renault launch on 12 Feb.

I want to see a big improvement from them this year.

Shanetyper · 16-01-2020 11:21am

I'm dying to see McLaren on the podium this year. I thought last season had some brilliant races. Hopefully thus season won't disappoint.

flazio · 16-01-2020 1:51pm

Worth repeating here.

skipper_G wrote: »

W series added to the support bill for two F1 races this season at Austin and Mexico. That's a pretty big development for a series only in it's second season.

https://www.motorsport.com/w-series/news/support-bill-austin-mexico-f1/4651997/

I imagine Williams will give Jamie Chadwick a run out on the Friday at both those races.

pjohnson · 16-01-2020 2:01pm

flazio wrote: »

Worth repeating here.
I imagine Williams will give Jamie Chadwick a run out on the Friday at both those races.

Well Nissany is their official tester so its safe to assume he'll be buying a few practices.

AMKC · 16-01-2020 2:08pm

Jordan 199 wrote: »

I want to see a big improvement from them this year.

Me too. Would be nice to see them on the podium and maybe even get pole a few times. I know very optimistic but it could happen.

flazio wrote: »

Worth repeating here.
I imagine Williams will give Jamie Chadwick a run out on the Friday at both those races.

I hope they do give her a few runs on Friday.

skipper_G · 16-01-2020 3:10pm

flazio wrote: »

Worth repeating here.
I imagine Williams will give Jamie Chadwick a run out on the Friday at both those races.

I think she's talented but I don't think Williams will give her a run, she doesn't have big money behind her and as said above Nissany will get the runs because he's paying for them.

eviltimeban · 16-01-2020 4:53pm

skipper_G wrote: »

Nissany will get the runs

Let's hope not!

flazio · 16-01-2020 4:53pm

No big money behind her? Rokit is the title sponsor of both Williams and W series. I think they might have a bit of clout for her.

Charlie-Bravo · 16-01-2020 5:43pm

Plus she has 500k in her own account from winning last season :pac:

Peanut Butter Jelly · 17-01-2020 6:01pm

astrofluff wrote: »

Plus she has 500k in her own account from winning last season :pac:

Which wasn't even enough to buy a seat in F3. She's hoping to win again this year and move out

Charlie-Bravo · 18-01-2020 6:14pm

What's good now is the super license points for W series and anything she can accumulate in F3 Asian series is helpful. The goal for any driver is to get those points first in order to be able to qualify for a race seat in F1. Baby steps I suppose but funding is the big headache to get any driver in a lower race seat to get vital points.

AMKC · 18-01-2020 11:26pm

AlphaTauri to launch there car on February the 14th.

flazio · 18-01-2020 11:42pm

AMKC wrote: »

AlphaTauri to launch there car on February the 14th.

Who?
But seriously, I wonder how many times commentators are still going to say "Toro Rosso, Sauber and Force India" throughout this season.

SureYWouldntYa · 19-01-2020 12:13am

flazio wrote: »

Who?
But seriously, I wonder how many times commentators are still going to say "Toro Rosso, Sauber and Force India" throughout this season.

Its not often said atm, but if anyone calls a team Alfa on commentary, then you’re wondering is it Romeo or Tauri

El_Duderino 09 · 19-01-2020 5:05pm

flazio wrote: »

Who?
But seriously, I wonder how many times commentators are still going to say "Toro Rosso, Sauber and Force India" throughout this season.

Plenty will do it by accident. But it will diminish over time. Same as the way you don't hear commentators say "Tyrrell" or "Jordan" by mistake.

Some people are just averse to any change. Then they get used to the change and forget they ever opposed it and oppose any new change. Just wait for the new liveries to be revealed. People go bananas every year about the new liveries and then forget they didn't like them.

pjohnson · 20-01-2020 12:06pm

Latifi is taking #6.

Last used by Nico Rosberg

eviltimeban · 20-01-2020 12:08pm

pjohnson wrote: »

Latifi is taking #6.

Last used by Nico Rosberg

Guess he's not coming back so!

Frank Bullitt · 20-01-2020 6:05pm

eviltimeban wrote: »

Guess he's not coming back so!

AMKC · 22-01-2020 9:43pm

Racing Point to unveil there car on February the 17th.

Charlie-Bravo · 22-01-2020 10:51pm

SureYWouldntYa · 23-01-2020 12:03am

Drive to Survive season 2 coming on the 28th February

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.coming-february-28-formula-1-drive-to-survive-season-2-on-netflix.4ohZCcOfdZsZrhhFUZf2xu.html

Jordan 199 · 24-01-2020 4:35pm

Alfa Romeo launch 19th of February.

vectra · 25-01-2020 12:47pm

Harika · 29-01-2020 10:52pm

https://www.racefans.net/2020/01/29/mercedes-crunch-meeting-quit-f1-2020/

Was rumoured long enough to be done, Mercedes as team is on the chopping block. Soon we'll find out more. Lauda was one of the main pro F1 people

Frank Bullitt · 30-01-2020 7:13pm

Harika wrote: »

https://www.racefans.net/2020/01/29/mercedes-crunch-meeting-quit-f1-2020/

Was rumoured long enough to be done, Mercedes as team is on the chopping block. Soon we'll find out more. Lauda was one of the main pro F1 people

Along with this piece of news, this could well be the last season for Merc in F1 as a works team...utter madness

Chinese carmaker Geely and Canadian billionaire Lawrence Stroll are both proposing to invest about £200m for a fresh 20 per cent stake in the business and a place on Aston’s board.

https://www.ft.com/content/18930d7a-432f-11ea-a43a-c4b328d9061c

El_Duderino 09 · 30-01-2020 8:16pm

Gintonious wrote: »

Along with this piece of news, this could well be the last season for Merc in F1 as a works team...utter madness

It might not be madness. They've had massive success which has been uninterrupted and often not even Challenged - boring. The returns for another dominant season must be diminishing.

They are only in f1 to advertise their cars and they might have achieved all they're going to achieve.

I've no idea whether they'll pull out or continue in the sport.

Harika · 30-01-2020 8:38pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It might not be madness. They've had massive success which has been uninterrupted and often not even Challenged - boring. The returns for another dominant season must be diminishing.

They are only in f1 to advertise their cars and they might have achieved all they're going to achieve.

I've no idea whether they'll pull out or continue in the sport.

Mercedes is known to spend and win series to death. See itc DTM lmp1

AMKC · 30-01-2020 8:53pm

Gintonious wrote: »

Along with this piece of news, this could well be the last season for Merc in F1 as a works team...utter madness

https://www.ft.com/content/18930d7a-432f-11ea-a43a-c4b328d9061c

Along with this piece of news, this could well be the last season for Merc in F1 as a works team...utter madness

Mercedes has commited to something like 2billion in cost cuts over the next few years and as another poster said has achieved everything it can in F1 and with very little real competition. Maybe they want to concentrate on Formula E now and do the same there. I did see some saying this news could be fake do or a marketing ply by Mercedes to get there way in F1. So for now all we can do is wait and see.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-01-2020 11:09pm

Harika wrote: »

Mercedes is known to spend and win series to death. See itc DTM lmp1

Fair enough. I take your word for it.

I read a report that profits are down (not to say they’re making a loss, just reduced profits) so they’re considering letting staff go in the roadcar production side. So they might be under pressure to cut the big spending projects like f1.

Only time will tell

Harika · 31-01-2020 9:30am

https://www.racefans.net/2020/01/31/racing-point-aston-martin-f1-team-2021-stroll/

Aston Martin in F1 2021

skipper_G · 31-01-2020 10:43am

Harika wrote: »

https://www.racefans.net/2020/01/31/racing-point-aston-martin-f1-team-2021-stroll/

Aston Martin in F1 2021

I remember when the team was almost dead, and now they're going to be a works Aston Martin team. Have I died and gone to heaven?

El_Duderino 09 · 31-01-2020 10:46am

skipper_G wrote: »

I remember when the team was almost dead, and now they're going to be a works Aston Martin team. Have I died and gone to heaven?

They're in the process if building a new factory too. They're really one to watch in the next 4/5 years. New factory, new investment, new staff and sone top people... That's a winning combination but it will take years to bare fruit.

Cork Trucker · 31-01-2020 11:12am

Red Bull lose a title sponsor then? It will make sod all difference for baby Stroll. Perez has him well and truly mastered.

Infoanon · 31-01-2020 11:14am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

They're in the process if building a new factory too. They're really one to watch in the next 4/5 years. New factory, new investment, new staff and sone top people... That's a winning combination but it will take years to bare fruit.

With customer Mercedes engines......it's very hard to see a customer team ever beating a factory team in the current era.

flazio · 31-01-2020 11:35am

Infoanon wrote: »

With customer Mercedes engines......it's very hard to see a customer team ever beating a factory team in the current era.

That will all depend on what Mercedes-Benz works team are going to do going forward. They are still going to build engines, McLaren and Williams have agreements in place so if they sell up, will the new owners become the "works" team, does it go back to McLaren or what will happen.
We really need more engine makers on the grid. Miss the days where practically every team had their own engine manufacturer, Ford, Peugeot, Mugen, Yamaha, Hart etc.

El_Duderino 09 · 31-01-2020 11:52am

Infoanon wrote: »

With customer Mercedes engines......it's very hard to see a customer team ever beating a factory team in the current era.

True but Mercedes might only be engine suppliers by then. They could have a works engine deal with a team like Honda with red bull.

pjohnson · 31-01-2020 12:50pm

Infoanon wrote: »

With customer Mercedes engines......it's very hard to see a customer team ever beating a factory team in the current era.

McLaren beat Renault last year......

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