Chinese atrocities = silence?

beejee · 21-06-2019 3:22pm #1

Why is there barely a peep about the insane stuff the Chinese are up to?

They've been condemned over and over by international watchdogs, one of the latest being a UN report that outright declares them as "wicked".

They harvest body organs from people they don't like. One testimony in the report from a doctor describes how he was ordered to "cut deep and cut fast" to remove kidneys from a victim, only to his (extra?) horror to find that the person was still alive.

They are trying to set up yet another Chinese colony in Antigua, the conditions of which are an absolute joke. Its pure and unadulterated colonialism.

Theres the ongoing genocide against the Uighur people, where "entire towns and villages are left empty"

The Nepal thing, the social credit system, the surveillance system, the list goes on.

Theyre monsters.

Yet instead of anyone challenging that stuff, its more shoite like "gender neutral uniforms", boycotts because someone got offended over a packet of figrolls, what Trump said today, "how many genders are there really?"...just a load of inconsequential bullshoite.

Where are the social level boycotts on China? Why aren't people making videos and podcasts and "calls to action" on Chinese people for being so aggressively imperialist? Where are the attacks on "Chinese privilege" when they walk into other countries and set up colonies without batting an eyelid? Why are people more concerned with trivial nonsense than actual, ongoing, state sanctioned atrocity?

CardBordWindow · 21-06-2019 3:24pm

The Chinese - Great bunch of lads!

suicide_circus · 21-06-2019 3:24pm

we've become reliant on them for cheap disposable crap that fills the oceans.

Fr_Dougal · 21-06-2019 3:26pm

To be fair to the Chinese, they don’t take up much room.

Hammer89 · 21-06-2019 3:27pm

Whoever invented the three-in-one needs to be jailed.

archer22 · 21-06-2019 3:28pm

Oh what happened?...some Chinese girl turn her nose up at you

RobbieTheRobber · 21-06-2019 3:31pm

beejee wrote: »

Yet instead of anyone challenging that stuff, its more shoite like "gender neutral uniforms", boycotts because someone got offended over a packet of figrolls, what Trump said today, "how many genders are there really?"...just a load of inconsequential bullshoite.

:rolleyes:

Do you want to talk about whats really bothering you, because I bet its got nothing to do with China!

riffmongous · 21-06-2019 3:32pm

What's happening to the Uighurs is pretty shocking, and barely a peep about it

beejee · 21-06-2019 3:33pm

archer22 wrote: »

Oh what happened?...some Chinese girl turn her nose up at you

Any of them would be so lucky! :P

Nah, its just the human atrocities really.

James Brown · 21-06-2019 3:35pm

They help companies make money so they can pretty much do what they like. If N. Korea opened up sweat shops for Nike etc. we'd have Kim Jong-Un on the cover of Time.

Our local Chinese use to do a decent Greyhound.

SexBobomb · 21-06-2019 3:36pm

Its become very unpopular to point to other cultures and say they are wrong about something. We're only allowed to complain about stuff we do.

beejee · 21-06-2019 3:36pm

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Do you want to talk about whats really bothering you, because I bet its got nothing to do with China!

I see no concern over proper atrocity at all, yet many frothing about nothing.

That I gave examples means I gave examples. Nothing more.

Or perhaps youd like to explain why the Chinese are getting away with literal murder while people here argue about toilets?

Why is there such a disparity between "important" and actually important?

Plumbthedepths · 21-06-2019 3:36pm

Let's have a big protest if a Chinese leader ever visits here, just like the Trump protests.....

leonffrench · 21-06-2019 3:37pm

The consequences of socialism/communism unfortunately. Was the same in the USSR and currently in North Korea and, to a lesser extent, Cuba. But, of course, "that isnt real socialism"

beejee · 21-06-2019 3:38pm

SexBobomb wrote: »

Its become very unpopular to point to other cultures and say they are wrong about something. We're only allowed to complain about stuff we do.

I could almost go along with that idea, but from casual observation, it appears "we" as in Europeans are wide open to criticism from just about everyone about everything ever done at any point in history.

In other words its completely lopsided!

archer22 · 21-06-2019 3:40pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Let's have a big protest if a Chinese leader ever visits here, just like the Trump protests.....

I would be more in favour of dancing around the street like Doonbeg

Sonics2k · 21-06-2019 3:41pm

Probably because it doesn't really have a serious impact on Ireland or US culture, therefore it wouldn't be considered an active conversation.

For example there's a massive water shortage in India at the moment, with some 500 people arrested at a demonstration about it. It's expected they'll run out of fresh water by 2020 or so.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/20/india/chennai-water-crisis-intl-hnk/index.html

Again, there's no real discussion about this on boards because it doesn't directly impact our society or world view.

Ronaldinho · 21-06-2019 3:42pm

The internment of the Uighers is atrocius. Sad that it seems to be a non-issue for other Govts though.

We could learn something from their social credit score system imo.

Nermal · 21-06-2019 3:44pm

beejee wrote: »

Theres the ongoing genocide against the Uighur people, where "entire towns and villages are left empty"?

They're not killing them, just 're-educating' them.

They've seen what has happened in Europe and don't want it happening to them.

Understandable.

RobbieTheRobber · 21-06-2019 3:45pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

Probably because it doesn't really have a serious impact on Ireland or US culture, therefore it wouldn't be considered an active conversation.

For example there's a massive water shortage in India at the moment, with some 500 people arrested at a demonstration about it. It's expected they'll run out of fresh water by 2020 or so.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/20/india/chennai-water-crisis-intl-hnk/index.html

Again, there's no real discussion about this on boards because it doesn't directly impact our society or world view.

So your saying there is no discussion of an issue on a discussion forum because people are not discussing it?

21-06-2019 3:46pm

riffmongous wrote: »

What's happening to the Uighurs is pretty shocking, and barely a peep about it

There was an excellent article on the BBC website about the “re-education camps” the Chinese have built for them. Where they can be taken and have the Muslim beaten out of them.

The non Muslim locals are terrified to speak out and it seems as though Uighurs outside of China who are talking about this are being targeted by the Chinese government.

It is pretty shocking, to say the least.

riffmongous · 21-06-2019 3:46pm

Nermal wrote: »

They're not killing them, just 're-educating' them.

They've seen what has happened in Europe and don't want it happening to them.

Understandable.

Bullshiit

quokula · 21-06-2019 3:47pm

Not sure why human rights abuses in China mean we should care less about the human rights of LGBT people in this country?

riffmongous · 21-06-2019 3:56pm

Aegir wrote: »

There was an excellent article on the BBC website about the “re-education camps” the Chinese have built for them. Where they can be taken and have the Muslim beaten out of them.

The non Muslim locals are terrified to speak out and it seems as though Uighurs outside of China who are talking about this are being targeted by the Chinese government.

It is pretty shocking, to say the least.

I only found out about it because I came across a small protest march organised by a group of them and I didn't have a clue who they were. Since then I've only seen it mentioned in that BBC report and something from Amnesty

One thing I find interesting is that the current situation in Xinjiang is to some extent the legacy of a previous Chinese campaign of genocide in the 1700s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide

beejee · 21-06-2019 3:57pm

quokula wrote: »

Not sure why human rights abuses in China mean we should care less about the human rights of LGBT people in this country?

But its not "care less" is it? At all

There is a an avalanche of discussion, every second of the day, about LGBT, whether about toilet access, uniforms, parades, and on and on.

About people being dissected alive in China, and their aggressive push into other countries (and those policies with them)? Zero discussion.

Theres always a selfish element to social discussion, that's a granted. But the scale of hypocrisy is so large it is practically invisible. Like standing with your face to a mountain side, and not being able to realise its a mountain.

Its easy to dismiss as "far away", but its getting closer and closer. And I can tell you now, the Chinese aren't about to get distracted by fairness and equality, they're out for everything they can grab and youre* just a complaining child to be pushed out of the way and conquered.

*any of us

beejee · 21-06-2019 3:59pm

Aegir wrote: »

There was an excellent article on the BBC website about the “re-education camps” the Chinese have built for them. Where they can be taken and have the Muslim beaten out of them.

The non Muslim locals are terrified to speak out and it seems as though Uighurs outside of China who are talking about this are being targeted by the Chinese government.

It is pretty shocking, to say the least.

I have strong suspicions about it being simple "re-education".

Even Russia is facing an unspoken problem with the Chinese. There are huge numbers of them just swanning across into Russian territory and setting up shop in Russia.

When is colonialism not colonialism? Apparently its when the Chinese do it.

James Brown · 21-06-2019 4:12pm

Nermal wrote: »

They're not killing them, just 're-educating' them.

They've seen what has happened in Europe and don't want it happening to them.

Understandable.

Is the fear they might end up with a regime that won't allow democracy, they will not be allowed to protest or speak up, will have a minority lay down their brand of brutal law with people disappearing never to be seen again? Yep, I'm sure the Chinese are happy their betters are keeping a lid on that :rolleyes:

victor8600 · 21-06-2019 4:18pm

Here is the Serenity Prayer:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

Can you do anything to change Chinese policies?

ohnonotgmail · 21-06-2019 4:19pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

To be fair to the Chinese, they don’t take up much room.

apparently they only come up to your knees.

James Brown · 21-06-2019 4:21pm

victor8600 wrote: »

Here is the Serenity Prayer:

Can you do anything to change Chinese policies?

Stop doing business with them.

beejee · 21-06-2019 4:22pm

victor8600 wrote: »

Here is the Serenity Prayer:

Can you do anything to change Chinese policies?

Yes.

And it would be a lot easier if there was actually some support in taking them down, or at least awareness of what they are doing.

Peoples priorities are fecked, is what im saying. Might as well be talking to the moon I suppose :P

riffmongous · 21-06-2019 4:26pm

victor8600 wrote: »

Here is the Serenity Prayer:

Can you do anything to change Chinese policies?

I'm sure I heard that in a 50 cent rap

James Brown · 21-06-2019 4:32pm

Trump is the President of the country were CNN lives. They are a news outlet. I'd expect as much. FYI: Trump is bad.
Most US news is 99.9% home based. I remember watching the news in Chicago many years ago and the lad said, 'Now for the news in the rest of the world', turns out he meant other states.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 21-06-2019 4:33pm

There’s too much talk about trans etc. Not enough about US imperialism. The Chinese are a grand group of lads.

ILoveYourVibes · 21-06-2019 4:34pm

beejee wrote: »

Why is there barely a peep about the insane stuff the Chinese are up to?

Less awareness. The Chinese are better at censoring the press media and internet than Russia is. MUCH BETTER.

Images are not getting out as much. News is not getting out as much.

The Chinese themselves have no idea. And if they share such info they draw the attention from the authorities to themselves.

circadian · 21-06-2019 4:34pm

Nermal wrote: »

They're not killing them, just 're-educating' them.

They've seen what has happened in Europe and don't want it happening to them.

Understandable.

I had the pleasure of visiting Ürümqi in 2012 and while underdeveloped compared to a lot of China it was interesting and a lovely experience. The Uighur are warm, friendly and welcoming people with awesome food. I can honestly say I enjoyed my time there and it felt nothing like the rest of China.

I doubt I'd get a visa to go now considering its becoming increasingly unstable and Tibet was totally off the cards due to elections when I was there.

Absolute disgrace what's happening to that ethnic group and it has nothing to do with whatever that ham fisted point you were trying to make.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 21-06-2019 4:35pm

There’s another type of npc, the Americanised right winger who hasn’t an original thought in his head.

Case in point - CNN. Watched by me, never. Although I’m sure it’s down the channel list somewhere.

Sam Quentin · 21-06-2019 4:35pm

But they have AliExpress.

21-06-2019 4:44pm

SexBobomb wrote: »

Its become very unpopular to point to other cultures and say they are wrong about something. We're only allowed to complain about stuff we do.

Nonsense, start a thread titled "the weather in Israel is sunny today" and watch 80 pages of venom and vitriol unfurl before your very eyes

victor8600 · 21-06-2019 4:52pm

I think that while we should not applaud China for its repressive policies, we should not stop doing business with them or sanction them. We should encourage more Chinese students to study in the EU and let them decide what society they want for themselves. Countries and governments change, and pretty fast in historical terms.

Only 30 years ago the world was vastly different. If we just push steadily in the direction of more freedom and tolerance, in another 30 years we may achieve better results than if we try to force anything right now. Imagine if you tried to make USSR "free" and "democratic" by force in 1986. There would had been a huge pushback which would probably kept USSR alive for much longer.

Dravokivich · 21-06-2019 4:52pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Let's have a big protest if a Chinese leader ever visits here, just like the Trump protests.....

Theres been a lot of activity over the last week with envoys from China. I know of a diary farm that had been visited and south Dublin county council were involved in hosting an event.

beejee · 21-06-2019 5:09pm

victor8600 wrote: »

I think that while we should not applaud China for its repressive policies, we should not stop doing business with them or sanction them. We should encourage more Chinese students to study in the EU and let them decide what society they want for themselves. Countries and governments change, and pretty fast in historical terms.

Only 30 years ago the world was vastly different. If we just push steadily in the direction of more freedom and tolerance, in another 30 years we may achieve better results than if we try to force anything right now. Imagine if you tried to make USSR "free" and "democratic" by force in 1986. There would had been a huge pushback which would probably kept USSR alive for much longer.

That's a fantastically bad idea.

There was some uproar in Canada (?) not so long ago, about Chinese students reporting back to china on the "inappropriate behaviour" of other students.

Theres another scandal about vast numbers of Chinese cheating their way into American colleges, spys left right and center keeping an eye on "things"

These people do not care about anything other than improving China for Chinese people.

While they prosper from us and enact atrocities left right and center with a view to spreading worldwide and setting up colonies, we can get them to change by allowing them to do what they want and let them move here even more easily? That's a bold strategy there! :P

China is like the USSR, but actually very successful. That's one hell of a combination.

VinLieger · 21-06-2019 5:18pm

beejee wrote: »

Peoples priorities are fecked, is what im saying. Might as well be talking to the moon I suppose :P

Peoples priorities are different to yours..... welcome to the world

Pkiernan · 21-06-2019 5:27pm

It shows how racist the Left really are deep down.

They don't care about non whites in Asia.

Sonny noggs · 21-06-2019 5:29pm

archer22 wrote: »

Oh what happened?...some Chinese girl turn her nose up at you

Defending Iran first, now China. Russia next, I’m guessing?

feargale · 21-06-2019 5:29pm

archer22 wrote: »

Oh what happened?...some Chinese girl turn her nose up at you

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Do you want to talk about whats really bothering you, because I bet its got nothing to do with China!

If you are prepared to bet on what's going on in the mind of a perfect stranger you probably have a gambling problem.

OP has raised a serious issue which, agree or disagree with him, deserves better than stupid, teeny bopper responses.

Plumbthedepths · 21-06-2019 5:41pm

feargale wrote:

OP has raised a serious issue which, agree or disagree with him, deserves better than stupid, teeny bopper responses.

I would think 'stupid, teeny bopper responses' are par for the course in AH whereas if the OP wanted a serious discussion the Politics forum might be more appropriate. Just my opinion though.

James Brown · 21-06-2019 5:42pm

Pkiernan wrote: »

It shows how racist the Left really are deep down.

They don't care about non whites in Asia.

Yeah that hippy trump :rolleyes:

The next time 'the left' are doing business in china they should look at themselves in the mirror

_Brian · 21-06-2019 5:44pm

beejee wrote: »

Why is there barely a peep about the insane stuff the Chinese are up to?

They've been condemned over and over by international watchdogs, one of the latest being a UN report that outright declares them as "wicked".

They harvest body organs from people they don't like. One testimony in the report from a doctor describes how he was ordered to "cut deep and cut fast" to remove kidneys from a victim, only to his (extra?) horror to find that the person was still alive.

They are trying to set up yet another Chinese colony in Antigua, the conditions of which are an absolute joke. Its pure and unadulterated colonialism.

Theres the ongoing genocide against the Uighur people, where "entire towns and villages are left empty"

The Nepal thing, the social credit system, the surveillance system, the list goes on.

Theyre monsters.

Yet instead of anyone challenging that stuff, its more shoite like "gender neutral uniforms", boycotts because someone got offended over a packet of figrolls, what Trump said today, "how many genders are there really?"...just a load of inconsequential bullshoite.

Where are the social level boycotts on China? Why aren't people making videos and podcasts and "calls to action" on Chinese people for being so aggressively imperialist? Where are the attacks on "Chinese privilege" when they walk into other countries and set up colonies without batting an eyelid? Why are people more concerned with trivial nonsense than actual, ongoing, state sanctioned atrocity?

Allot of bad stuff going on in America and nobody is doing much about it either.

TheDiceMan2020 · 21-06-2019 5:45pm

Because "orange man bad" and until the media decide China is the bad guy and harp on about it endlessly your average drone dumbbell won't know or care about it.

James Brown · 21-06-2019 5:47pm

TheDiceMan2020 wrote: »

Because "orange man bad" and until the media decide China is the bad guy and harp on about it endlessly your average drone dumbbell won't know or care about it.

People will discuss topics that come up. If it's not raised broadly it'll get less attention. There's actually a thread on boards about the Chinese now.

Chinese atrocities = silence?

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