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Chinese atrocities = silence?

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  • 21-06-2019 3:22pm
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    beejee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭


    Why is there barely a peep about the insane stuff the Chinese are up to?

    They've been condemned over and over by international watchdogs, one of the latest being a UN report that outright declares them as "wicked".

    They harvest body organs from people they don't like. One testimony in the report from a doctor describes how he was ordered to "cut deep and cut fast" to remove kidneys from a victim, only to his (extra?) horror to find that the person was still alive.

    They are trying to set up yet another Chinese colony in Antigua, the conditions of which are an absolute joke. Its pure and unadulterated colonialism.

    Theres the ongoing genocide against the Uighur people, where "entire towns and villages are left empty"

    The Nepal thing, the social credit system, the surveillance system, the list goes on.

    Theyre monsters.

    Yet instead of anyone challenging that stuff, its more shoite like "gender neutral uniforms", boycotts because someone got offended over a packet of figrolls, what Trump said today, "how many genders are there really?"...just a load of inconsequential bullshoite.

    Where are the social level boycotts on China? Why aren't people making videos and podcasts and "calls to action" on Chinese people for being so aggressively imperialist? Where are the attacks on "Chinese privilege" when they walk into other countries and set up colonies without batting an eyelid? Why are people more concerned with trivial nonsense than actual, ongoing, state sanctioned atrocity?


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    CardBordWindow
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    The Chinese - Great bunch of lads!


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    suicide_circus
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    we've become reliant on them for cheap disposable crap that fills the oceans.


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    Fr_Dougal
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    To be fair to the Chinese, they don’t take up much room.


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    Hammer89
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    Whoever invented the three-in-one needs to be jailed.


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    archer22
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Oh what happened?...some Chinese girl turn her nose up at you :)


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    RobbieTheRobber
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    beejee wrote: »

    Yet instead of anyone challenging that stuff, its more shoite like "gender neutral uniforms", boycotts because someone got offended over a packet of figrolls, what Trump said today, "how many genders are there really?"...just a load of inconsequential bullshoite.

    :rolleyes:

    Do you want to talk about whats really bothering you, because I bet its got nothing to do with China!


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    riffmongous
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    What's happening to the Uighurs is pretty shocking, and barely a peep about it


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    beejee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    archer22 wrote: »
    Oh what happened?...some Chinese girl turn her nose up at you :)

    Any of them would be so lucky! :P

    Nah, its just the human atrocities really.


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    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    They help companies make money so they can pretty much do what they like. If N. Korea opened up sweat shops for Nike etc. we'd have Kim Jong-Un on the cover of Time.

    Our local Chinese use to do a decent Greyhound.


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    SexBobomb
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    Its become very unpopular to point to other cultures and say they are wrong about something. We're only allowed to complain about stuff we do.


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    beejee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    Do you want to talk about whats really bothering you, because I bet its got nothing to do with China!

    I see no concern over proper atrocity at all, yet many frothing about nothing.

    That I gave examples means I gave examples. Nothing more.

    Or perhaps youd like to explain why the Chinese are getting away with literal murder while people here argue about toilets?

    Why is there such a disparity between "important" and actually important?


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    Plumbthedepths
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    Let's have a big protest if a Chinese leader ever visits here, just like the Trump protests.....


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    leonffrench
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    The consequences of socialism/communism unfortunately. Was the same in the USSR and currently in North Korea and, to a lesser extent, Cuba. But, of course, "that isnt real socialism"


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    beejee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    SexBobomb wrote: »
    Its become very unpopular to point to other cultures and say they are wrong about something. We're only allowed to complain about stuff we do.

    I could almost go along with that idea, but from casual observation, it appears "we" as in Europeans are wide open to criticism from just about everyone about everything ever done at any point in history.

    In other words its completely lopsided!


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    archer22
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Let's have a big protest if a Chinese leader ever visits here, just like the Trump protests.....

    I would be more in favour of dancing around the street like Doonbeg


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    Sonics2k
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    Probably because it doesn't really have a serious impact on Ireland or US culture, therefore it wouldn't be considered an active conversation.

    For example there's a massive water shortage in India at the moment, with some 500 people arrested at a demonstration about it. It's expected they'll run out of fresh water by 2020 or so.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/20/india/chennai-water-crisis-intl-hnk/index.html

    Again, there's no real discussion about this on boards because it doesn't directly impact our society or world view.


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    Ronaldinho
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    The internment of the Uighers is atrocius. Sad that it seems to be a non-issue for other Govts though.

    We could learn something from their social credit score system imo.


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    Nermal
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    beejee wrote: »
    Theres the ongoing genocide against the Uighur people, where "entire towns and villages are left empty"?

    They're not killing them, just 're-educating' them.

    They've seen what has happened in Europe and don't want it happening to them.

    Understandable.


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    RobbieTheRobber
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    Probably because it doesn't really have a serious impact on Ireland or US culture, therefore it wouldn't be considered an active conversation.

    For example there's a massive water shortage in India at the moment, with some 500 people arrested at a demonstration about it. It's expected they'll run out of fresh water by 2020 or so.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/20/india/chennai-water-crisis-intl-hnk/index.html

    Again, there's no real discussion about this on boards because it doesn't directly impact our society or world view.

    So your saying there is no discussion of an issue on a discussion forum because people are not discussing it?


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    riffmongous wrote: »
    What's happening to the Uighurs is pretty shocking, and barely a peep about it

    There was an excellent article on the BBC website about the “re-education camps” the Chinese have built for them. Where they can be taken and have the Muslim beaten out of them.

    The non Muslim locals are terrified to speak out and it seems as though Uighurs outside of China who are talking about this are being targeted by the Chinese government.

    It is pretty shocking, to say the least.


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    riffmongous
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    Nermal wrote: »
    They're not killing them, just 're-educating' them.

    They've seen what has happened in Europe and don't want it happening to them.

    Understandable.

    Bullshiit


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    quokula
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    Not sure why human rights abuses in China mean we should care less about the human rights of LGBT people in this country?


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    riffmongous
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    Aegir wrote: »
    There was an excellent article on the BBC website about the “re-education camps” the Chinese have built for them. Where they can be taken and have the Muslim beaten out of them.

    The non Muslim locals are terrified to speak out and it seems as though Uighurs outside of China who are talking about this are being targeted by the Chinese government.

    It is pretty shocking, to say the least.

    I only found out about it because I came across a small protest march organised by a group of them and I didn't have a clue who they were. Since then I've only seen it mentioned in that BBC report and something from Amnesty

    One thing I find interesting is that the current situation in Xinjiang is to some extent the legacy of a previous Chinese campaign of genocide in the 1700s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzungar_genocide


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    #25
    beejee
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    quokula wrote: »
    Not sure why human rights abuses in China mean we should care less about the human rights of LGBT people in this country?

    But its not "care less" is it? At all

    There is a an avalanche of discussion, every second of the day, about LGBT, whether about toilet access, uniforms, parades, and on and on.

    About people being dissected alive in China, and their aggressive push into other countries (and those policies with them)? Zero discussion.

    Theres always a selfish element to social discussion, that's a granted. But the scale of hypocrisy is so large it is practically invisible. Like standing with your face to a mountain side, and not being able to realise its a mountain.

    Its easy to dismiss as "far away", but its getting closer and closer. And I can tell you now, the Chinese aren't about to get distracted by fairness and equality, they're out for everything they can grab and youre* just a complaining child to be pushed out of the way and conquered.

    *any of us


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    #26
    beejee
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    Aegir wrote: »
    There was an excellent article on the BBC website about the “re-education camps” the Chinese have built for them. Where they can be taken and have the Muslim beaten out of them.

    The non Muslim locals are terrified to speak out and it seems as though Uighurs outside of China who are talking about this are being targeted by the Chinese government.

    It is pretty shocking, to say the least.

    I have strong suspicions about it being simple "re-education".

    Even Russia is facing an unspoken problem with the Chinese. There are huge numbers of them just swanning across into Russian territory and setting up shop in Russia.

    When is colonialism not colonialism? Apparently its when the Chinese do it.


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    James Brown
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    Nermal wrote: »
    They're not killing them, just 're-educating' them.

    They've seen what has happened in Europe and don't want it happening to them.

    Understandable.

    Is the fear they might end up with a regime that won't allow democracy, they will not be allowed to protest or speak up, will have a minority lay down their brand of brutal law with people disappearing never to be seen again? Yep, I'm sure the Chinese are happy their betters are keeping a lid on that :rolleyes:


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    #28
    victor8600
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    Here is the Serenity Prayer:
    God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
    Courage to change the things I can,
    And wisdom to know the difference.

    Can you do anything to change Chinese policies?


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    ohnonotgmail
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    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    To be fair to the Chinese, they don’t take up much room.

    apparently they only come up to your knees.


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    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    victor8600 wrote: »
    Here is the Serenity Prayer:



    Can you do anything to change Chinese policies?

    Stop doing business with them.


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    #31
    beejee
    Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭beejee


    victor8600 wrote: »
    Here is the Serenity Prayer:



    Can you do anything to change Chinese policies?

    Yes.

    And it would be a lot easier if there was actually some support in taking them down, or at least awareness of what they are doing.

    Peoples priorities are fecked, is what im saying. Might as well be talking to the moon I suppose :P


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