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Dublin Bus looking for Drivers

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  • #2052
    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Only 12 months, then contract would change.

    I heard that rumor too but it's untrue and I can only guess a certain union started it either because they themselves misunderstood the agreement or used it as a scaremongering tactic.

    If you Tupe over to Go-ahead, legally, they must obligate your terms and conditions for life. I.E. the rest of your working days in the company.

    That can be confirmed with Go-ahead themselves and I'm sure it's in the documents.

    I did quite a bit of talking with people already tuped over who are there well over a year now and they confirmed their terms and conditions are not changing. They can't be changed.


  • #2053
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »
    I heard that rumor too but it's untrue and I can only guess a certain union started it either because they themselves misunderstood the agreement or used it as a scaremongering tactic.

    If you Tupe over to Go-ahead, legally, they must obligate your terms and conditions for life. I.E. the rest of your working days in the company.

    That can be confirmed with Go-ahead themselves and I'm sure it's in the documents.

    I did quite a bit of talking with people already tuped over who are there well over a year now and they confirmed their terms and conditions are not changing. They can't be changed.

    Ok well I'm not up on it as haven't seen anyone that did move to ask....
    Just saying what was put our there, that's good so that that's the case.

    Big changes supposedly ahead with the bus connects and set wage, no premium payments and the full working hours.


  • #2054
    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Ok well I'm not up on it as haven't seen anyone that did move to ask....
    Just saying what was put our there, that's good so that that's the case.

    Big changes supposedly ahead with the bus connects and set wage, no premium payments and the full working hours.

    Don't take me the wrong way at all lad, I'm not attacking you ! But I agree it is what was put out there and it was put out there like I say by the famous union either because they didn't understand themselves or tried to scare monger. But I mean no harm towards yourself !

    Yes it will be big changes ahead, if you look at what happened with Bus Éireann some years ago with the set wage, no shift pay, no overtime etc. You are going to be down money no matter how you look at it.

    One thing that got everyone after the deal was done was yes on paper it looked like a good deal but the tax man took more money meaning we were getting paid less after tax and there was no going back.

    I believe Dublin bus were out to get rid of the workouts for a long time (I was never a fan of them tbh) so only a matter of time now it seems.

    It's unfortunate they are pushing ahead with some things like that but like I say they will be under major pressure now with tendering of nearly all routes going forward so they have to try stay in the game.


    Just as another reference, Kilkenny got a new PSO Service in the town and Bus Éireann were confident they would win it, with their depot's nearby and drivers nearby also but the NTA gave it to a small bus company from Galway who are now running it. So even if go-ahead don't get more routes in Dublin, somebody else will. The NTA are adamant by the looks of it.


  • #2055
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »
    Don't take me the wrong way at all lad, I'm not attacking you ! But I agree it is what was put out there and it was put out there like I say by the famous union either because they didn't understand themselves or tried to scare monger. But I mean no harm towards yourself !

    Yes it will be big changes ahead, if you look at what happened with Bus Éireann some years ago with the set wage, no shift pay, no overtime etc. You are going to be down money no matter how you look at it.

    One thing that got everyone after the deal was done was yes on paper it looked like a good deal but the tax man took more money meaning we were getting paid less after tax and there was no going back.

    I believe Dublin bus were out to get rid of the workouts for a long time (I was never a fan of them tbh) so only a matter of time now it seems.

    It's unfortunate they are pushing ahead with some things like that but like I say they will be under major pressure now with tendering of nearly all routes going forward so they have to try stay in the game.


    Just as another reference, Kilkenny got a new PSO Service in the town and Bus Éireann were confident they would win it, with their depot's nearby and drivers nearby also but the NTA gave it to a small bus company from Galway who are now running it. So even if go-ahead don't get more routes in Dublin, somebody else will. The NTA are adamant by the looks of it.



    No offense taken, appreciate the feedback or knowledge.....

    I'd say what's coming is known higher up and obviously we can guess or comment on what we believe and with db now losing its colour scheme and branding it's a big change and makes it so much easier to take over as there will be no need to re spray the buses, it's now a fight for cie to keep their properties and lands but one only has to look at the past and see so much has been sold over the years.

    Docklands, temple bar area, place on Amien st which was used for parking, UCD city campus etc etc etc...

    I'm no good at the wage breakdown and tax and would love to see how much we will actually be hit as it's floating around it will be a set €48k to €52k is what I'm hearing, obviously tax, USC, prsi, pension and other deduction etc


  • #2056
    Midnight_EG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    No offense taken, appreciate the feedback or knowledge.....

    I'd say what's coming is known higher up and obviously we can guess or comment on what we believe and with db now losing its colour scheme and branding it's a big change and makes it so much easier to take over as there will be no need to re spray the buses, it's now a fight for cie to keep their properties and lands but one only has to look at the past and see so much has been sold over the years.

    Docklands, temple bar area, place on Amien st which was used for parking, UCD city campus etc etc etc...

    I'm no good at the wage breakdown and tax and would love to see how much we will actually be hit as it's floating around it will be a set €48k to €52k is what I'm hearing, obviously tax, USC, prsi, pension and other deduction etc

    Consolidated pay is a good thing, there's too much dicking around by lads in the job for the likes of B/H's and O/T and Sunday pay is only an extra 200 a month or so, rather have 50 weekly than a lump and lose less in tax.


  • #2057
    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    No offense taken, appreciate the feedback or knowledge.....

    I'd say what's coming is known higher up and obviously we can guess or comment on what we believe and with db now losing its colour scheme and branding it's a big change and makes it so much easier to take over as there will be no need to re spray the buses, it's now a fight for cie to keep their properties and lands but one only has to look at the past and see so much has been sold over the years.

    Docklands, temple bar area, place on Amien st which was used for parking, UCD city campus etc etc etc...

    I'm no good at the wage breakdown and tax and would love to see how much we will actually be hit as it's floating around it will be a set €48k to €52k is what I'm hearing, obviously tax, USC, prsi, pension and other deduction etc

    Yeah thats around the same figure as we were on buy when they changed everything around with new rotas etc it transpired we were down a lot of money.

    There are weeks there I have old payslips on where I have overtime and all sorts on it, expenses and long 11 - 12 hour days and still coming out with less than 700 a week on top rate. Because the tax is different for some reason when the pay the flat rate.

    It's a bad deal coming for the driver no matter how you word it up etc.


  • #2058
    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    Midnight_EG wrote: »
    Consolidated pay is a good thing, there's too much dicking around by lads in the job for the likes of B/H's and O/T and Sunday pay is only an extra 200 a month or so, rather have 50 weekly than a lump and lose less in tax.

    Yeah a lot of lads started using the self certs on Sunday for that reason too


  • #2059
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »
    Yeah a lot of lads started using the self certs on Sunday for that reason too

    I can see them been taken like last time they got 3.


  • #2060
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »
    I don't know how you came up with that but no that's not true

    Yes drivers did tupe over to go ahead already, and yes they did stick with their terms and conditions regarding pay etc

    But just because they accepted the drivers with their conditions doesn't mean they have to accept their crap attitudes towards the job. Go ahead can sack a driver that went over from Dublin bus no problem if they get out of line.

    Yeah but TUPE would also apply to other DB staff also such as inspectors and the like


  • #2061
    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    GT89 wrote: »
    Yeah but TUPE would also apply to other DB staff also such as inspectors and the like

    I don't think so

    As far as I remember Tupe only applied to drivers who were marked in on a route that was taken.

    Inspectors are not assigned to routes, cleaning staff etc are general workers.

    Even the guys that do the cash safes will be gone soon with everything going cashless so that *could" be a few people out of a job altogether.

    There's a lot behind the scenes people don't see

    But I'm sure somebody will try accommodate as many jobs as visable


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  • #2062
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »
    I don't think so

    As far as I remember Tupe only applied to drivers who were marked in on a route that was taken.

    Inspectors are not assigned to routes, cleaning staff etc are general workers.

    Even the guys that do the cash safes will be gone soon with everything going cashless so that *could" be a few people out of a job altogether.

    There's a lot behind the scenes people don't see

    But I'm sure somebody will try accommodate as many jobs as visable

    Well it would depend on how the NTA do the tenders. If for example they put out a tender for a company to operate all routes out of Ringsend depot for arguments sake then all Ringsend based drivers and other staff would likely have to transfer. There are staff on London buses who've been there since London Transport days.

    Tupe would apply to all staff who are required to transfer it's a legal requirement. Go-Ahead is different as they were brought in as part of service expansion that meant no one in DB was required to transfer. If they start selling off DB depots and the like to private operators or the NTA then staff will more than likely have to transfer.

    I'd imagine the de safers would be redeployed to other roles if buses go cashless just like when they got rid of conductors. I believe the last conductor was only gotten rid of around 2005.


  • #2063
    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    GT89 wrote: »
    Well it would depend on how the NTA do the tenders. If for example they put out a tender for a company to operate all routes out of Ringsend depot for arguments sake then all Ringsend based drivers and other staff would likely have to transfer. There are staff on London buses who've been there since London Transport days.

    Tupe would apply to all staff who are required to transfer it's a legal requirement. Go-Ahead is different as they were brought in as part of service expansion that meant no one in DB was required to transfer. If they start selling off DB depots and the like to private operators or the NTA then staff will more than likely have to transfer.

    I'd imagine the de safers would be redeployed to other roles if buses go cashless just like when they got rid of conductors. I believe the last conductor was only gotten rid of around 2005.

    Well that's another problem because the NTA are not taking ownership of the current depot's yet because they are CIE property and also the go ahead depot's are leased. Plus the fact the contracts require you to obtain a premises so there's a lot in that to consider.

    The de safers are generally people who used to drive but can't anymore either because medical reason or similar.

    In regards to conductors you'd be wrong again, Dublin bus still pay conductors as do bus eireann.

    I was was left speechless when I saw one in collecting his wages one day and another employee told me why. The conductors that refused to go driving were kept employed as conductors, but now they do nothing, just come in one day a week to collect the wages and disappear again.

    Nice wage for not working right ? And yes there are a few of them still currently there across the company's.

    Kick in the nuts when you're out there on shift putting up with scum and these guys literally get paid to do nothing

    Another reason why the company is upside down in many regards


  • #2064
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »
    Well that's another problem because the NTA are not taking ownership of the current depot's yet because they are CIE property and also the go ahead depot's are leased. Plus the fact the contracts require you to obtain a premises so there's a lot in that to consider.

    The de safers are generally people who used to drive but can't anymore either because medical reason or similar.

    In regards to conductors you'd be wrong again, Dublin bus still pay conductors as do bus eireann.

    I was was left speechless when I saw one in collecting his wages one day and another employee told me why. The conductors that refused to go driving were kept employed as conductors, but now they do nothing, just come in one day a week to collect the wages and disappear again.

    Nice wage for not working right ? And yes there are a few of them still currently there across the company's.

    Kick in the nuts when you're out there on shift putting up with scum and these guys literally get paid to do nothing

    Another reason why the company is upside down in many regards

    I'd say the nta will look to skirt around the issue and not take responsibility. Are these conductors not on some kind of long term sick leave or something like that, how come they haven't been redeployed I'm guessing they can't drive otherwise they'd be drivers and are unfit for any depot work.


  • #2065
    Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime


    GT89 wrote: »
    I'd say the nta will look to skirt around the issue and not take responsibility. Are these conductors not on some kind of long term sick leave or something like that, how come they haven't been redeployed I'm guessing they can't drive otherwise they'd be drivers and are unfit for any depot work.

    They were offered the full driving programme to get the license etc and they flat out refused to do it. They are not out sick.


  • #2066
    Midnight_EG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    There's only 3-5 of them left like that supposedly. Turn up each morning to 'clock in' as it is and go back home again and they're more than happy to do it. As utterly stupid as it is, a contract is a contract


  • #2067
    James901
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭James901


    Darrenv25 wrote: »
    Got my date for driving assessment and interview on 9th March for anyone wondering on a timeline done the online assessment early jan and submitted documents on 25th Jan got the email yesterday so around a 4week wait

    Anyone else waiting for a date for interview/driving assessment? Been waiting 5 weeks now since submitting my documents


  • #2068
    Midnight_EG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    James901 wrote: »
    Anyone else waiting for a date for interview/driving assessment? Been waiting 5 weeks now since submitting my documents

    The whole process takes a long time, relax and forget about it for now


  • #2069
    CloneeBohs
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭CloneeBohs


    I've just completed the fifth week of training school, it's busy up there, driving assessments going on aswell as training new recruits. You'll get the call, just stay patient


  • #2070
    Focus30
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Focus30


    CloneeBohs wrote: »
    I've just completed the fifth week of training school, it's busy up there, driving assessments going on aswell as training new recruits. You'll get the call, just stay patient

    Partner just got a date for driving assessment and interview. Any tips for interview questions


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  • #2071
    Kopite96
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭Kopite96


    Hi I submitted cpc and learner permit around 6 months ago got confirmation email they will add to my file haven't heard anything since no online assessment or anything else anyone else have a similar experience ?? I know its slow with covid thanks.


  • #2072
    James901
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭James901


    Kopite96 wrote: »
    Hi I submitted cpc and learner permit around 6 months ago got confirmation email they will add to my file haven't heard anything since no online assessment or anything else anyone else have a similar experience ?? I know its slow with covid thanks.

    I would follow up with them as that seems like a very long time to wait. I was a little over 2 months waiting on a reply from application to written assessment.


  • #2073
    Kopite96
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭Kopite96


    That's great James thanks have rang her left a message thanks.


  • #2074
    Focus30
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Focus30


    Anyone know what the interview is like? Or the type of questions they ask? Is it like situational or competency based?


  • #2075
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Focus30 wrote: »
    Anyone know what the interview is like? Or the type of questions they ask? Is it like situational or competency based?

    Safety, safety and safety....

    How would you deal with stress, stressful situation such as irate passengers or whatever....

    Good English and able to write out a accident report and so on ...

    Hobbies and what you do to wind down etc.


  • #2076
    James901
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭James901


    I see the professional bus drivers application has been closed today, supposed to be December 2021. Anyone know what’s happening? Presume they’re predicting not as many drivers will be needed now


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  • #2077
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    James901 wrote: »
    I see the professional bus drivers application has been closed today, supposed to be December 2021. Anyone know what’s happening? Presume they’re predicting not as many drivers will be needed now

    I saw that aswell could be trying to get through a backlog of applications


  • #2078
    Contrails
    Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭Contrails


    GT89 wrote: »
    I saw that aswell could be trying to get through a backlog of applications

    I'd imagine this is it. Covid has probably made the job seem more attractive too. Steady reliable income and all that. I've 2 neighbours who were looking to jack in their existing jobs to join DB. Also heard of a good few in hospitality going trucking.


  • #2079
    James901
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭James901


    Yeah I thought maybe they had a lot of applications with the ability to do the CPC theory at home now. Maybe they are trying to clear the ones they have at the moment


  • #2080
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    New drivers over the last year will be in some shock when buses fill, traffic etc ....


  • #2081
    Orlando2019
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭Orlando2019


    Does anybody know if Dublin Bus has closed down the applications temporarily or for the foreseeable future?
    Asking on behalf of a friend currently gathering all the required bits and pieces...


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  • #2082
    James901
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭James901


    I was told in my interview a few weeks ago that recruitment is now on hold for the time being unfortunately. No further details were given


  • #2083
    hunnt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3 ✭hunnt


    James901 wrote: »
    I was told in my interview a few weeks ago that recruitment is now on hold for the time being unfortunately. No further details were given

    according to a few friends i have in DB the chance of a strike at the end of the month is growing daily, that could be a reason the training center is not looking to recruit more at the moment


  • #2084
    James901
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭James901


    Any idea why they are possibly striking for?


  • #2085
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    James901 wrote: »
    Any idea why they are possibly striking for?

    I'm a driver at DB and there has been no mention of a strike.


  • #2086
    Midnight_EG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Yeah no mention of a strike here either?


  • #2087
    LastStop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭LastStop


    James901 wrote: »
    Any idea why they are possibly striking for?

    Unions asking for 2000 per head for loss of route identity with bus connects and that's a bill of 7 mil across the city. Managment have told the unions to take a hike. Hence talk of a strike. And the ongoing pay deal isn't helping.


  • #2088
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    LastStop wrote: »
    Unions asking for 2000 per head for loss of route identity with bus connects and that's a bill of 7 mil across the city. Managment have told the unions to take a hike. Hence talk of a strike. And the ongoing pay deal isn't helping.

    What do you mean "loss of route identity"?


  • #2089
    LastStop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 311 ✭✭LastStop


    salonfire wrote: »
    What do you mean "loss of route identity"?

    They used to drive the 29A.... Now they are expected to drive H1,H2 and H3 which means they won't drive just the H whatever covers the old 29a.

    Playing a dangerous game.


  • #2090
    rx8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭rx8


    LastStop wrote: »
    They used to drive the 29A.... Now they are expected to drive H1,H2 and H3 which means they won't drive just the H whatever covers the old 29a.

    Playing a dangerous game.

    That's not happening now. The company came up with separate schedules for H1 (29a) and H2 (31/32) ,so no drivers are losing their route identity or their marked-in status.
    This sets a precedent though for when Spine C comes to Ringsend in the Autumn.

    The schedules were given to drivers earlier in the week and they basically picked out the duties that they would work, in order to ensure a smooth transition and no chance of any refusals or strikes on Sunday morning.


  • #2091
    Burt Renaults
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    LastStop wrote: »
    They used to drive the 29A.... Now they are expected to drive H1,H2 and H3 which means they won't drive just the H whatever covers the old 29a.

    Playing a dangerous game.

    What practical difference would that make to them? They still have to sit behind the same wheel on the same roads for whatever number of hours a day, regardless of the routes they're driving. Fair play to them for chancing their arm though.


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  • #2092
    ferrarii
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭ferrarii


    Hi everyone, been lurking here since starting the process last year. Finally got my medical for next week. Saw comments about saying as little as possible at the medical and them going over every single scar etc. I had skin cancer a few years ago (all clear now) so have lots of scars from that including one big one, just wondering would this be any issue? Will they be looking for medical reports or anything?



  • #2093
    ax586
    Registered Users Posts: 234 ✭✭ax586


    DB looking for drivers again



  • #2094
    snookergenius
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭snookergenius


    Does anyone know what type of questions they ask at the interview?



  • #2095
    snookergenius
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭snookergenius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117640608#Comment_117640608

    What sort of questions did they ask you at the interview? And what was the driving assessment like?



  • #2096
    ferrarii
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭ferrarii


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117802516#Comment_117802516

    My driving assessment and interview was back in may, from what I can remember there was nothing out of the ordinary in the interview, job history from finishing school, questions about dealing with stress, customer service etc. The driving assessment was straightforward as well just a drive through Phibsboro/Cabra for about a half hour or so. Passed the medical so just waiting now for reference check.



  • #2097
    snookergenius
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭snookergenius


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117804624#Comment_117804624

    I wish you all the best with the medical, let me know how you get on cheers



  • #2098
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    hey all,

    have the online assessment this week, I've just had a read through of the last few pages here to see what I'm up against.

    Haven't had an interview in 22 years so trying to brush up some skills, or practice answering questions i think will come up.

    I'd be abit on the heavy side, 16st 10 and around 5'11-6ft. if i was to get to medical what would be acceptable weight that they would say ok try lose abit more?

    About the driving assessment, is it only done in cabra/phibsboro? i wouldn't be familiar with that road, is there any tricky area's to look out for?

    Lastly, at what stage are you required to show your drivers report for points? after interview or after medical?


    thanks



  • #2099
    rx8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭rx8


    The driving assessment is in a Nissan Leaf, and won't last more than 20-30 minutes. As with everything in the company, I would advise being honest and upfront with them from the start. They are not looking to shoot you down considering you got this far already.



  • #2100
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117887040#Comment_117887040

    just done the assessment this morning, pretty sure i done well, i was nervous about the driving assessment after seeing on here someone failed it.

    I guess I'll have to practice driving like i did on the day of my driving test for abit befor going in if i get selected.



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  • #2101
    Orlando2019
    Registered Users Posts: 36 ✭Orlando2019


    Hi there ! asking this on behald of a friend ..

    Is it any easier for women trying to get into Dublin bus with a b licence?

    anyone has any recent experiences?



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