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  • #202
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,646 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Padraig Mor wrote: »
    Weren't you the one last year saying that the authorities should use violence to force peaceful residents to accept a bunch of antisocial criminal Travellers at the end of their road in the aftermath of the Carrickmines fire?

    Also said peacful protesters should be baton charged (men women and children) if they attempted to stop a Garth Brookes concert from going ahead!


  • #203
    greenfield21
    Registered Users Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    keavebm wrote: »
    People are commenting like the banks are the best in the world. Their not. They are money grabbing bastards. The biggest scumbags and crooks in this country are the banks they should be ashamed.

    Ah here, did not someone not say these people have been here for three generations? So what were they borrowing the money for. They already have a house and land, could you not call them money grabbers?


  • #204
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    backspin. wrote: »
    Any links to the videos?


    https://vredd.it/files/l6m9i90srn421.mp4.


  • #205
    Billcarson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,577 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    road_high wrote: »
    Is this another case of people taking out loans on property they couldn’t afford and then finding out they might be evicted from the property they never actually paid for in the first place? Shocker!

    Getting thugs from the north to do the banks dirty work is even more of a shocker. Some of the comments on this thread supporting the banks actions just shows the reason why this country is the way it is. That's what I find really shocking. Im not saying people should not pay back loans but ffs. A bit of solidarity amoung the people of this country against the elite etc is what's needed . Cop the f on.


  • #206
    Jeff2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,151 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Odyssey 2005 wrote: »
    I read on Facebook that one of the elderly people was a retired garda. Any truth in this because the video I saw there was half a dozen big fookers roughly manhandleing him under a serving gardas nose. Hope he was proud of himself.

    This was posted on the farming forum by 148multi. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=468308&d=1544982954
    468308.jpg


  • #207
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    expectationlost wrote: »
    why were these people in Falsk Roscommon evicted? had they borrowed money during the boom for something and couldn't pay it back?

    If I have the right property, Google Maps indicates a substantial farm building out the back of the property.

    Might be an over-investment ?


  • #208
    Bubblegummers
    Registered Users Posts: 282 ✭✭Bubblegummers


    Odelay wrote: »
    Where does it say that?

    Mate apply for a license and check it out. I’m 110% sure through my brother working in a club called Box in Belfast and his issuer was PSA he was brought to court so was his employer.


  • #209
    keavebm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭keavebm


    greenfield21 wrote:
    Ah here, did not someone not say these people have been here for three generations? So what were they borrowing the money for. They already have a house and land, could you not call them money grabbers?

    Very funny. These are ordinary people with a small house and feck all land. Why dont the banks ever go after the ones with the money that owe money? Cause they are afraid they will always pick on the poor. And the scumbags that were evicting them. Fair play who ever burnt the vans.**** off back to Belfast. And the best bit! A man been assaulted by these scum and a ****in guard watching it. And people wonder why the guards are hated. To protect the people me ****in arse another shower of corrupt *****


  • #210
    JCJCJC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    road_high wrote: »
    Which county is that?

    Don’t want to say right now, can do without the ****-storm it might generate.


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  • #211
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    keavebm wrote: »
    Very funny. These are ordinary people with a small house and feck all land. Why dont the banks ever go after the ones with the money that owe money? Cause they are afraid they will always pick on the poor. And the scumbags that were evicting them. Fair play who ever burnt the vans.**** off back to Belfast. And the best bit! A man been assaulted by these scum and a ****in guard watching it. And people wonder why the guards are hated. To protect the people me ****in arse another shower of corrupt *****

    And all of this followed by a protest march today in Castlerea regarding alleged Garda brutality last week when two men were badly beaten. Gardai in Co. Roscommon going the right way fairly quickly in losing public support.


  • #212
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    keavebm wrote: »
    Very funny. These are ordinary people with a small house and feck all land. Why dont the banks ever go after the ones with the money that owe money? Cause they are afraid they will always pick on the poor. And the scumbags that were evicting them. Fair play who ever burnt the vans.**** off back to Belfast. And the best bit! A man been assaulted by these scum and a ****in guard watching it. And people wonder why the guards are hated. To protect the people me ****in arse another shower of corrupt *****



    keavebm wrote: »

    . These are ordinary people with a small house and feck all land.


    You seem to know them well

    When were they in court ? ( save looking)


    How much money were they evicted over ?


  • #213
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    JCJCJC wrote: »
    Don’t want to say right now, can do without the ****-storm it might generate.


    Well then don't mention it in the first place?

    keavebm wrote: »
    Very funny. These are ordinary people with a small house and feck all land. Why dont the banks ever go after the ones with the money that owe money? Cause they are afraid they will always pick on the poor. And the scumbags that were evicting them. Fair play who ever burnt the vans.**** off back to Belfast. And the best bit! A man been assaulted by these scum and a ****in guard watching it. And people wonder why the guards are hated. To protect the people me ****in arse another shower of corrupt *****


    People 'with money' probably get chased, too, but don't degrade themselves to the level of having to be dragged out of property for all the world to see.

    Loans are very simple to understand. I'd imagine you'd hold a grudge with me for the rest of your life if I got a lend of a tenner off you and didn't pay it back.


  • #214
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Billcarson wrote: »
    Getting thugs from the north to do the banks dirty work is even more of a shocker. Some of the comments on this thread supporting the banks actions just shows the reason why this country is the way it is. That's what I find really shocking. Im not saying people should not pay back loans but ffs. A bit of solidarity amoung the people of this country against the elite etc is what's needed . Cop the f on.

    Solidatory me hole. We already pay the highest interest rates in Europe thanks to the pussy footed manner evictions and non repayment of loans is handled here. Hows that for solidatory? So the rest of us already pay for these plonkers to sit in properties they can't afford/won't pay for.
    The emotional guilt tripping is always rolled out in these instances of course but the truth is likely a lot different. (Flashbacks to famine evictions and so).
    You're actually a perfect example of the do gooder culture pervading irish culture and it's always the middle that end up paying for it.


  • #215
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Lefty Bicek wrote: »
    If I have the right property, Google Maps indicates a substantial farm building out the back of the property.

    Might be an over-investment ?
    there was a rte primetime programme some years back about how dogey lenders encouraged people to borrow and build big barns? https://www.rte.ie/about/en/press-office/press-releases/2015/0205/678134-the-loot-the-loans-a-special-report-rte-investigations-unit/

    i thought there some government aspect to this too, where they'd get a grant from the government to build the barns...? TAMS ? the farm modernisation scheme?


  • #216
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    JCJCJC wrote: »
    Don’t want to say right now, can do without the ****-storm it might generate.

    I'd take a wild guess and say a border/north western county.


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  • #217
    tigerboon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭tigerboon


    Billcarson wrote: »
    Getting thugs from the north to do the banks dirty work is even more of a shocker. Some of the comments on this thread supporting the banks actions just shows the reason why this country is the way it is. That's what I find really shocking. Im not saying people should not pay back loans but ffs. A bit of solidarity amoung the people of this country against the elite etc is what's needed . Cop the f on.

    Most people seem ok with a foreign bank hiring loyalist thugs to come into this country and abuse elderly citizens of this country. Like you, most people have no major issue with repossession if the person won't engage.
    I know it's yet to be proven they were loyalist but regardless, posters here don't seem to have an issue if they were.


  • #218
    JCJCJC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    road_high wrote: »
    I'd take a wild guess and say a border/north western county.

    Seems more like an educated guess.... that’s all I’ll say 😉


  • #219
    Lefty Bicek
    Registered Users Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭Lefty Bicek


    tigerboon wrote: »
    Most people seem ok with a foreign bank hiring loyalist thugs to come into this country and abuse elderly citizens of this country. Like you, most people have no major issue with repossession if the person won't engage.
    I know it's yet to be proven they were loyalist but regardless, posters here don't seem to have an issue if they were.

    A guy in Roscommon, in a hostile situation, makes a point of correcting a man who calls him Irish, by saying 'I'm British'.

    It takes NI loyalist obduracy to do it.

    I have my doubts that he's Alliance Party.


  • #220
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    hurler32 wrote: »
    It seems like the Fine Gael government has lost all touch with rural Ireland . Big protest march in castlerea co rosscommon today against gardai beating up two men in that town last weekend . The guards working with the loyalist repossession gangs seems to have been the straw that broke the camels back in rosscommon this week .

    Whats the story here?


  • #221
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    These people took out a loan.

    They could not pay it back.

    Don't see the issue. The bank is perfectly entitled to take control of the property.

    Non story.


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  • #222
    keavebm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭keavebm


    gctest50 wrote:
    How much money were they evicted over ?


    Yes i do know these people. Thats there business not mine. I dont think they owed as much as the banks did when they got bailed out. I hope this answers ur question


  • #223
    twowheelsonly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,270 ✭✭✭twowheelsonly


    road_high wrote: »
    Is this another case of people taking out loans on property they couldn’t afford and then finding out they might be evicted from the property they never actually paid for in the first place? Shocker!



    Property was well paid for seeing as the house was built in the 1950s'.

    This was obviously a loan for machinery / sheds or whatever.


  • #224
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,722 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    keavebm wrote: »
    gctest50 wrote:
    How much money were they evicted over ?


    Yes i do know these people. Thats there business not mine. I dont think they owed as much as the banks did when they got bailed out. I hope this answers ur question
    KBC got zero of tax payers money

    What did the elderly people living in the house do, to eventually get a court order to be evicted?

    I'm not defending the actions of either side in this


  • #225
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    As far as they, and all their neighbours, are concerned this is 'their land' and taking a loan from a bank would never justify seizing that land from them.

    Sounds cool. Maybe I'll take out a loan on my land with the same theory and not pay it back.


  • #226
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,851 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Was it some branch of the Ra who showed up around 5 am this morning to dole out the beatings?


  • #227
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    Property was well paid for seeing as the house was built in the 1950s'.

    This was obviously a loan for machinery / sheds or whatever.

    Doesn't matter.

    If the property is collateral on the transaction there is nothing more to be said.

    Nobody wants to see anybody evicted, not the banks or anyone else.

    The system runs on enforcement and sanctity of contracts which is what a loan is.


  • #228
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    KBC got zero of tax payers money

    What did the elderly people living in the house do, to eventually get a court order to be evicted?

    I'm not defending the actions of either side in this

    Yes dying to hear the actual truth here too...though i fear we will have a very long wait/if ever.


  • #229
    archer22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    The makey uppy excuse (to garner sympathy) is that they were attacking loyalist paramilitaries :rolleyes:

    The reality is they were attacking an IRISH HIGH COURT order which granted the repossession.

    Its a challenge to the authority of the state and nothing else.


  • #230
    h2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭h2005


    keavebm wrote: »
    Yes i do know these people. Thats there business not mine. I dont think they owed as much as the banks did when they got bailed out. I hope this answers ur question

    Who bailed out KBC?


  • #231
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,946 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Kermit.de.frog wrote:
    Don't see the issue. The bank is perfectly entitled to take control of the property.
    These people took out a loan.
    They could not pay it back.
    Non story.
    h2005 wrote:
    Do you remember when the banks took out loans and couldn't repay them?
    Well I do and guess who paid their loans, me and you and every other tax payer in the country. They did get kicked out of their buildings.
    So an ordinary man isn't able to repay and you have no sympathy for him and back the banks?


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  • #232
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    tigerboon wrote: »
    Most people seem ok with a foreign bank hiring loyalist thugs to come into this country and abuse elderly citizens of this country. Like you, most people have no major issue with repossession if the person won't engage.
    I know it's yet to be proven they were loyalist but regardless, posters here don't seem to have an issue if they were.

    Do you think after obviusly a very long time of non engagement with the said bank for non payment of a loan they'd be sending people around to read them a bedtime story?
    They choose not go without a fight, can hardly protest when the softly softly aproach comes to an end.


  • #233
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    keavebm wrote: »
    Yes i do know these people. Thats there business not mine. I dont think they owed as much as the banks did when they got bailed out. I hope this answers ur question


    Were KBC bailed out ?


  • #234
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Do you remember when the banks took out loans and couldn't repay them?
    Well I do and guess who paid their loans, me and you and every other tax payer in the country. They did get kicked out of their buildings.
    So an ordinary man isn't able to repay and you have no sympathy for him and back the banks?

    And your solution is leave the poor aul craters in it for free so? Think i'll cancel my own mortage in the morning so, after all these big evil banks simply owe me one after the bailouts.


  • #235
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,345 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Billcarson wrote:
    Getting thugs from the north to do the banks dirty work is even more of a shocker. Some of the comments on this thread supporting the banks actions just shows the reason why this country is the way it is. That's what I find really shocking. Im not saying people should not pay back loans but ffs. A bit of solidarity amoung the people of this country against the elite etc is what's needed . Cop the f on.

    But you are saying that people shouldn't pay back loans.

    How about a bit of solidarity with people paying high interest rates because its almost impossible for banks to deal with defaulters.


  • #236
    HamSarris
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭HamSarris


    It’s times like these when you realise how far removed boards.ie is from the real world.

    The most common argument seems to be:

    I’m happy for elderly people to be forcefully evicted by loyalist militia if it results in a percentage point decrease in my mortgage interest rate


  • #237
    P_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    archer22 wrote: »

    Its a challenge to the authority of the state and nothing else.

    Is challenging the authority of the state from time to time such a bad idea though?


  • #238
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    road_high wrote: »
    And your solution is leave the poor aul craters in it for free so? Think i'll cancel my own mortage in the morning so, after all these big evil banks simply owe me one after the bailouts.

    If anyone could stay in their homes on that basis the banks balance sheets take a catastrophic hit and then taxpayers have to bail them out again or the country would face national bankruptcy.

    But logic seems to be in short supply for some.


  • #239
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,144 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    road_high wrote: »
    Solidatory me hole. We already pay the highest interest rates in Europe thanks to the pussy footed manner evictions and non repayment of loans is handled here. Hows that for solidatory? So the rest of us already pay for these plonkers to sit in properties they can't afford/won't pay for.
    The emotional guilt tripping is always rolled out in these instances of course but the truth is likely a lot different. (Flashbacks to famine evictions and so).
    You're actually a perfect example of the do gooder culture pervading irish culture and it's always the middle that end up paying for it.

    perhapse the reason that we have the system we have in relation to evictions and non-repayment of loans is to keep other costs to us down that may increase to more then the interest rates if we were to change? after all, if we simply allowed the banks to get on with evictions we may end up with thousands more adding to an already high demand. while it could be argued it might sort itself out to an extent i have a feeling that the reality would likely be otherwise. all well and good a bank in the current situation taking less for a house they have taken back but would they continue to do that if there was suddenly a large supply due to large scale evictions being caried out? i have a feeling no would be the case myself as i don't think institutions like banks tend to learn?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #240
    tigerboon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭tigerboon


    road_high wrote: »
    Do you think after obviusly a very long time of non engagement with the said bank for non payment of a loan they'd be sending people around to read them a bedtime story?
    They choose not go without a fight, can hardly protest when the softly softly aproach comes to an end.

    If that's the case fair enough. The issue is hiring loyalist goons to do their dirty work. Are you ok with scum, who hate us southerners, being paid to assault our citizens? Have you no shame?


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  • #241
    thunderdog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,675 ✭✭✭thunderdog


    There’s a reason why we have the highest mortgage rates in Europe. Our Irish banks have a high NPL book, on the back of the governments policy back during the recession to make quite favourable conditions for those who could not (or in some cases did not want to) pay their mortgages.lots of forbearance options given by the banks to mortgage holders in default etc and losing your home (if you engaged with the bank) was the very last resort.

    In this case, for those opposed to the outcome, what would you suggest was a better path for the bank to take?


  • #242
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,918 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    HamSarris wrote: »

    I’m happy for elderly people to be forcefully evicted by loyalist militia if it results in a percentage point decrease in my mortgage interest rate

    You are intentionally misrepresenting what is being said.

    Forget the "loyalists", that is irrelevant to the core point.

    A loan is a loan. If you can't repay then the assets you offered up as protection to the bank against them granting you the loan are siezed.

    It's a very simple system really.


  • #243
    archer22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    P_1 wrote: »
    Is challenging the authority of the state from time to time such a bad idea though?

    We have courts and a legal system for that...resorting to thuggery when you don't like the decision cannot be tolerated or the place becomes another version of Somalia


  • #244
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    tigerboon wrote: »
    If that's the case fair enough. The issue is hiring loyalist goons to do their dirty work. Are you ok with scum, who hate us southerners, being paid to assault our citizens? Have you no shame?

    Couldn’t care less really where they’re from- you’re not going to be dealing with high society in this instances- that’s why most of us pay back or make an effort to pay back what we borrowed. You sign the dotted line and that’s what you agree in exchange for money


  • #245
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    archer22 wrote: »
    The makey uppy excuse (to garner sympathy) is that they were attacking loyalist paramilitaries :rolleyes:

    The reality is they were attacking an IRISH HIGH COURT order which granted the repossession.

    Its a challenge to the authority of the state and nothing else.
    yeah because its not known that paramilitaries are involved in security business


  • #246
    Ordinary man
    Registered Users Posts: 2,488 ✭✭✭Ordinary man


    tigerboon wrote: »
    If that's the case fair enough. The issue is hiring loyalist goons to do their dirty work. Are you ok with scum, who hate us southerners, being paid to assault our citizens? Have you no shame?

    Would it have been better if it was dubs that were sent down to do the job? Would they have got a better reception from the locals?


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  • #247
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    You are intentionally misrepresenting what is being said.

    Forget the "loyalists", that is irrelevant to the core point.

    A loan is a loan. If you can't repay than the assets you offered up as protection to the bank against them granting you the loan are siezed.

    It's a very simple system really.

    It’s the very foundation of borrowing. Without it the vast majority of us couldn’t afford to live in the houses we are in


  • #248
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    tigerboon wrote: »
    If that's the case fair enough. The issue is hiring loyalist goons to do their dirty work. Are you ok with scum, who hate us southerners, being paid to assault our citizens? Have you no shame?

    An ex garda making some attempt to stay there after it went to court ?


    Try this :

    get pulled for something and ignore all the post you get

    It will eventually go to a bench warrant, when the gardai show up, try telling them you're not going

    post up results here :)


  • #249
    handlemaster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    no details of the court case would like to see how long this case has been going on


  • #250
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,477 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    handlemaster wrote: »
    no details of the court case would like to see how long this case has been going on

    Exactly, facts usually very different from the hype. This type of outcome doesn’t come about overnight or without all other avenues having been exhausted.


  • #251
    JCJCJC
    Registered Users Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭JCJCJC


    tigerboon wrote: »
    If that's the case fair enough. The issue is hiring loyalist goons to do their dirty work. Are you ok with scum, who hate us southerners, being paid to assault our citizens? Have you no shame?

    Good to know there’s no sectarian hatred south of the Border, thank God.


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