Fake watch busters

Cyrus · 11-08-2018 1:44pm

893bet wrote: »

Both same price now! He must have dropped 500 over the last day or 2.

Agreed that there is something a little off with him.

He appears to have a lot of nice watches but like that never been tempted to get in touch

Eoin · 11-08-2018 3:36pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Something about that seller I don’t like, we were exchanging messages before when he wanted to buy a watch from me, he wanted me to leave feedback before getting paid in cash and he wanted to meet in his place which I found strange and I checked his listings at the time and it seemed to be all bikes and watches with no boxes so alarm bells were ringing
This one is a few quid cheaper and the seller has a good reputation

https://www.adverts.ie/16023803

Still overpriced though

I did a part-exchange deal on a watch to him, worked out fine. He flips them very frequently.

893bet · 27-08-2018 10:19am

https://www.adverts.ie/16148164

Suspect seller. Bad photos. Cyclops looks poor but older models were less magnified.

Cienciano · 27-08-2018 11:02am

893bet wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/16148164

Suspect seller. Bad photos. Cyclops looks poor but older models were less magnified.

He has 3 old ones to sell. All terrible photos.

Time · 28-08-2018 10:31pm

https://www.adverts.ie/casual/watch/16123108

I have my suspicions about that one, but the photos are so bad i can't make out enough detail either way. No box papers and saying you can get a genuine Hublot strap for €70 are all red flags though

Spocker · 28-08-2018 11:00pm

Time wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/casual/watch/16123108

I have my suspicions about that one, but the photos are so bad i can't make out enough detail either way. No box papers and saying you can get a genuine Hublot strap for €70 are all red flags though

Nuked

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 28-08-2018 11:01pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Fake all day long
Jesus that’s brutal

The grammar is the worst part......

Time · 28-08-2018 11:03pm

Aitana Freezing Fibula wrote: »

The grammar is the worst part......

Honestly that was a red flag too, most people who can afford a genuine Hublot are educated to a standard beyond "txt spk"

893bet · 30-08-2018 10:09pm

I didn’t report this at it didnt seem fair to deprive you all of some of the worst fakes on earth.

https://www.adverts.ie/16177338

893bet · 30-08-2018 10:11pm

Check the 5th and 6th pictures! Typo on the dial!

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 31-08-2018 2:49pm

Lads please take screen grabs of these stinkers, they are gone by the time I get there and I am deprived a good laugh....

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 31-08-2018 3:03pm

oxocube · 31-08-2018 3:06pm

How much did he want for this POS?

893bet · 31-08-2018 3:26pm

The “oysteradte” Rolex was my favourite.

Followed by a Rolex with Co-Axial “escapemnt”.

Spelling errors on dials! AAA!

Dyslexia fakers!

Homer · 31-08-2018 9:25pm

To be fair to the seller I sent them a PM explaining th policy on replicas etc and they pulled the advert and apologised. They were pretty awful as far as reps go!

893bet · 02-09-2018 9:41am

https://www.adverts.ie/16192462

893bet · 02-09-2018 9:54am

I dropped one onto rags add already.

Yeah he has picked up a lot of negative feedback.

Apparently they know each other! Might be cosher so!

FingerDeKat · 02-09-2018 10:47am

ffs miss every singkle one

:D

Spocker · 02-09-2018 11:13am

OmegaGene wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/16192999

The horror

Just for you, FingerDeKat

ODhhZWQ0NmNmMDkxZDRmZWFkNWY2M2QwMThjODM2Mjg2TvWiMenE_4FiU8H-65QEaHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmFkc2ltZy5jb20vNTFiZGUxZDk3ODE1OTE2MzUwYmY1YWU5ZWFmNDFkMWNlZTIxZTUwNjg0OWQ1YmExYjZmZDNmNWFmZGFlZGZjOC5qcGd8fHx8fHwzOTN4NTI1fGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuYWR2ZXJ0cy5pZS9zdGF0aWMvaS93YXRlcm1hcmsucG5nfHx8.jpg

ODhhZWQ0NmNmMDkxZDRmZWFkNWY2M2QwMThjODM2Mjg2TvWiMenE_4FiU8H-65QEaHR0cDovL21lZGlhLmFkc2ltZy5jb20vNTFiZGUxZDk3ODE1OTE2MzUwYmY1YWU5ZWFmNDFkMWNlZTIxZTUwNjg0OWQ1YmExYjZmZDNmNWFmZGFlZGZjOC5qcGd8fHx8fHwzOTN4NTI1fGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuYWR2ZXJ0cy5pZS9zdGF0aWMvaS93YXRlcm1hcmsucG5nfHx8.jpg

FingerDeKat · 02-09-2018 11:21am

Holly mother of god..thats horrific:eek:

aaakev · 02-09-2018 11:52am

How much were they looking for that POS?

Homer · 02-09-2018 5:31pm

€150

HDMI · 02-09-2018 7:38pm

Homer wrote: »

€150

It's still listed or relisted

HDMI · 02-09-2018 7:50pm

Does fake Seiko dials count?

I think he needs declare the parts as non genuine Seiko, otherwise his listings are misleading and will catch buyers out.

https://www.adverts.ie/vintage/seiko-very-rare-41-mm-men-s-scuba-divers-mint-condition/16154197

https://www.adverts.ie/vintage/vintage-seiko-divers-200m-automatic-watch/16191979

Baron Kurtz · 02-09-2018 9:01pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

€200 he had a load of Aaa replicas as he called them
All ****ters, I’m not sure why people bother, get a watch to suit your budget and that’s it, wearing a fake will only make you look and feel stupid when up against a real one in public

Does this happen a lot?

I would have customers I'd deal with daily, and apart from knowing what's on their wrists, I wouldn't really entertain a request to have a look at their timepieces, apart from mention the make and that X or Y watch is pretty nice piece etc. I wouldn't be close enough to make a call on the authenticity.

Some replicas are excellent apparently. A noted remark from a stranger will be enough for a person to feel whatever they want to feel about that watch.

Obviously under scrutiny, it would be discovered to be what it is, but most people don't have a clue I'd imagine. They'd be happy with the 'nice watch' remark.

I get what you mean though, but I don't think anyone who wears a relatively decent replica really feels stupid or thinks they look stupid - they probably wear them because they're an approximation of a genuine piece and will yield some positive remarks from people. I get why it rankles with the purist.

And from that, why do you care so much? Or why does the purist care so much. It's probably an insecurity thing broadly, I suppose. Why should they present a piece that's a fraction of what my hard-earned is doing the same with, is the only reasoning behind it. Generally, what I'm saying is, who cares? If you like what you have, then so be it.

Cyrus · 02-09-2018 9:25pm

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

Does this happen a lot?

I would have customers I'd deal with daily, and apart from knowing what's on their wrists, I wouldn't really entertain a request to have a look at their timepieces, apart from mention the make and that X or Y watch is pretty nice piece etc. I wouldn't be close enough to make a call on the authenticity.

Some replicas are excellent apparently. A noted remark from a stranger will be enough for a person to feel whatever they want to feel about that watch.

Obviously under scrutiny, it would be discovered to be what it is, but most people don't have a clue I'd imagine. They'd be happy with the 'nice watch' remark.

I get what you mean though, but I don't think anyone who wears a relatively decent replica really feels stupid or thinks they look stupid - they probably wear them because they're an approximation of a genuine piece and will yield some positive remarks from people. I get why it rankles with the purist.

And from that, why do you care so much? Or why does the purist care so much. It's probably an insecurity thing broadly, I suppose. Why should they present a piece that's a fraction of what my hard-earned is doing the same with, is the only reasoning behind it. Generally, what I'm saying is, who cares? If you like what you have, then so be it.

Do you not think it’s a sad indictment of someone who buys a fake to garner positive comments from people ?

Buy what you can afford

Time · 02-09-2018 9:57pm

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

Does this happen a lot?

I would have customers I'd deal with daily, and apart from knowing what's on their wrists, I wouldn't really entertain a request to have a look at their timepieces, apart from mention the make and that X or Y watch is pretty nice piece etc. I wouldn't be close enough to make a call on the authenticity.

Some replicas are excellent apparently. A noted remark from a stranger will be enough for a person to feel whatever they want to feel about that watch.

Obviously under scrutiny, it would be discovered to be what it is, but most people don't have a clue I'd imagine. They'd be happy with the 'nice watch' remark.

I get what you mean though, but I don't think anyone who wears a relatively decent replica really feels stupid or thinks they look stupid - they probably wear them because they're an approximation of a genuine piece and will yield some positive remarks from people. I get why it rankles with the purist.

And from that, why do you care so much? Or why does the purist care so much. It's probably an insecurity thing broadly, I suppose. Why should they present a piece that's a fraction of what my hard-earned is doing the same with, is the only reasoning behind it. Generally, what I'm saying is, who cares? If you like what you have, then so be it.

When a person wears a fake it says a lot about them, they want the social capital associated with the brand, they want to act like they have money that they clearly (in most cases) don’t, without having to earn it. They don’t care about the engineering ingenuity that goes into designing a movement that is both functional and beautiful, nor the craftsmanship that goes into the subtle fine details on high level finishes.

Those are things purists care about.

Bateman · 02-09-2018 11:13pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Do you not think it’s a sad indictment of someone who buys a fake to garner positive comments from people ?

Buy what you can afford

Yes in theory but most people don't actually live their lives like that. Car loans wouldn't exist, as everyone would drive around in 1000 bangers they paid their own cash for rather than take out credit

Cyrus · 02-09-2018 11:18pm

Bateman wrote: »

Yes in theory but most people don't actually live their lives like that. Car loans wouldn't exist, as everyone would drive around in 1000 bangers they paid their own cash for rather than take out credit

You are conflating two different things

Baron Kurtz · 02-09-2018 11:57pm

Cyrus wrote: »

Do you not think it’s a sad indictment of someone who buys a fake to garner positive comments from people ?

Buy what you can afford

A person can seek the same thing with a genuine too.

Any watch a person buys is to garner some kind of attention, that being primarily for the person who buys it, and to a lesser extent those who notice it or admire one's sense of taste in their choice. That's fine, and all part and parcel of the love of and showiness of it.

I'm not on to argue replica v genuine here - I'd be getting nowhere, and don't want to - but for those who don't wholeheartedly absorb history, legacy, and construct of a timepiece and choose to buy the aesthetic and cheaper version of the brand they want, then let them at it. Doesn't really matter.

It seems to matter a lot to people though, and the reason I quoted OmegaGene about "when up against a real one in public". I was just interested in the spikiness about it and the oddness of the comment. I just wondered if people do that.

I get the wider sense of the general disdain (as it's fraudulent and non-authentic) but it doesn't seem to be about what the origin of the watches represent.

Appreciate your own perfectly created metal, surely, and not obsess about what every other Joe has on their wrists.

Anyway, the latter part of that is correct. Buy what you can afford. That's fine. A Seiko SKX-009/7, classic, affordable historic pieces respected and loved in the horology world.

Even the Fifty-Five fathoms homage gets a pass, albeit a knock-off in it's own right!

They're the kind of watches you'd get for the same price of a decent replica. This is what people should be going for of course, but again, that's down to the person, which is my point.

Baron Kurtz · 03-09-2018 12:15am

Time wrote: »

When a person wears a fake it says a lot about them, they want the social capital associated with the brand, they want to act like they have money that they clearly (in most cases) don’t, without having to earn it. They don’t care about the engineering ingenuity that goes into designing a movement that is both functional and beautiful, nor the craftsmanship that goes into the subtle fine details on high level finishes.

Those are things purists care about.

I wouldn't argue with that at all. Maybe I'm watching too much Mad Men, I dunno - the whole perception and projection of imagined luxury.

Then again, they could just like the look of a premium watch and are okay with lesser version of it which still tells them the time and have zero interest in the social capital association. And maybe they don't really care about society deeming them worthy enough to have earned it (again back to the somewhat thin skin of gen owners)

Maybe they have a stellar collection of mid-rangers and just want to see how that Speedmaster or Rolex wears and will eventually get around to getting that very piece.

I won't argue the purist angle, as that's pretty much set in stone as to the opinion, and that's fair enough.

Cyrus · 03-09-2018 9:47am

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

I wouldn't argue with that at all. Maybe I'm watching too much Mad Men, I dunno - the whole perception and projection of imagined luxury.

Then again, they could just like the look of a premium watch and are okay with lesser version of it which still tells them the time and have zero interest in the social capital association. And maybe they don't really care about society deeming them worthy enough to have earned it (again back to the somewhat thin skin of gen owners)

Maybe they have a stellar collection of mid-rangers and just want to see how that Speedmaster or Rolex wears and will eventually get around to getting that very piece.

I won't argue the purist angle, as that's pretty much set in stone as to the opinion, and that's fair enough.

but you dont have to buy a fake to have a watch that looks very like say a rolex submariner or gmt, just buy a steinhart or something. if your argument held thats what someone would do not buy a fake that says rolex on the dial.

Cienciano · 03-09-2018 11:54am

The whole rep thing is simple. Different people want different things. That's it. Some people don't care if it's a rep, some will buy a €15 euro dhgate rep, some will buy €700 custom one. As long as people are happy with what they have on their wrist and aren't doing anything "too" illegal

Homer · 03-09-2018 1:02pm

Cienciano wrote: »

As long as people are happy with what they have on their wrist and aren't doing anything "too" illegal

Problem with that attitude is that you are ignoring the fact that money from the sale of counterfeit goods goes to fund organised crime and/or terrorism. And then there is the child and slave labour used to produce the goods.

Im not having a go at you, but I honestly think most people have no idea where the money goes when they buy a fake watch/handbag/purse etc

Bateman · 03-09-2018 2:48pm

Some of the "superclones" around these days are supposed to be very close to the real ones indeed

Cienciano · 03-09-2018 3:12pm

Bateman wrote: »

Some of the "superclones" around these days are supposed to be very close to the real ones indeed

Some are very close, but they're not cheap. Between €200 and about €800 depending on movement. Most are around €400. As far as I know, it's illegal to purchase but not illegal to own.

emo72 · 03-09-2018 3:18pm

https://touch.adverts.ie/casual/omega-planet-ocean-skyfall-limited-edition-watch/16200756

Always wary of new accounts with expensive watches. Kosher?

Spocker · 03-09-2018 3:35pm

emo72 wrote: »

https://touch.adverts.ie/casual/omega-planet-ocean-skyfall-limited-edition-watch/16200756

Always wary of new accounts with expensive watches. Kosher?

Innocent until proven guilty? He's offered collection as an option, and I can't see any red flags TBH

Homer · 03-09-2018 3:59pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Nothing wrong with that at all

Other than dreadful photos for a near €5k watch!

Baron Kurtz · 03-09-2018 4:32pm

Cyrus wrote: »

but you dont have to buy a fake to have a watch that looks very like say a rolex submariner or gmt, just buy a steinhart or something. if your argument held thats what someone would do not buy a fake that says rolex on the dial.

Gonna pick up a Steinhart in the next few months I'd say. It's unreal that you can pick up such quality for a great price. And their selection is so varied. Grateful for that outlet. Not many brands hit that sweet spot for a product so decent.

Yeah, I don't want to derail the thread, but I was interested in the emotional factor that goes with watches and what impact replicas have on those that buy genuine pieces. Even if the same persons buy both. Are they still fooling themselves despite having proper and real timepieces in their collection, coupled with the odd replica.

For example, an AP, Royal Oak comes in at 30g plus. I doubt anyone here would be shelling that type of wedge for one!

Would it not be fun to have that in the collection for the knock off price just to see what that's all about.

One could have a stellar collection of 10k watches but may enjoy the 1:1 high end rep (like the AP) that they will eventually own as a gen.

But as you say, if someone had that kind of passion for watches, then they wouldn't sully their collection.

Baron Kurtz · 03-09-2018 4:45pm

Homer wrote: »

Problem with that attitude is that you are ignoring the fact that money from the sale of counterfeit goods goes to fund organised crime and/or terrorism. And then there is the child and slave labour used to produce the goods.

Im not having a go at you, but I honestly think most people have no idea where the money goes when they buy a fake watch/handbag/purse etc

Yeah, true.

What about phones bought on DH Gate etc. Or trainers or other goods.

Have you done that before? I have. I pretty much knew what I was getting, but haven't done much in the last few years. Just for warranty issues, the kind of product and lengthy post times

There's a healthy enough thread on Boards about purchases from the East and what great value you get, only to sacrifice a lengthy shipping time to receive the product.

Doesn't appear to be a moral ground here.

You're probably right though, but most people don't think like that. It's thrown out there, but even the most pious don't really care about the sweat-shop part of it.

Sure aren't Apple and Nike products apparently guilty of that. Hearsay from me, but I haven't researched heavily about it. Says more about me maybe.

Cyrus · 03-09-2018 4:55pm

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

Gonna pick up a Steinhart in the next few months I'd say. It's unreal that you can pick up such quality for a great price. And their selection is so varied. Grateful for that outlet. Not many brands hit that sweet spot for a product so decent.

Yeah, I don't want to derail the thread, but I was interested in the emotional factor that goes with watches and what impact replicas have on those that buy genuine pieces. Even if the same persons buy both. Are they still fooling themselves despite having proper and real timepieces in their collection, coupled with the odd replica.

For example, an AP, Royal Oak comes in at 30g plus. I doubt anyone here would be shelling that type of wedge for one!

Would it not be fun to have that in the collection for the knock off price just to see what that's all about.

One could have a stellar collection of 10k watches but may enjoy the 1:1 high end rep (like the AP) that they will eventually own as a gen.

But as you say, if someone had that kind of passion for watches, then they wouldn't sully their collection.

A royak oak is around €15k

https://www.watchfinder.co.uk/Audemars%20Piguet/Royal%20Oak/15400ST.OO.1220ST.02.A/25355/item/119014

and ive thought about selling a few to buy one before, never entered my mind to buy a replica.

Eoin · 03-09-2018 5:00pm

This is where I think there's a big difference between a homage and a replica. Maybe it's not as big a difference than I think it is though. I've bought several Sub homages over the years, and some were very faithful homages to see if I wanted to make the plunge for the real deal. But I'd never have dreamt of getting one that had a Rolex or Omega logo on it if they weren't real.

For me it's a bit like the people who bought a Toyota MR2 (nice car in its own right) back in the 90s and then ruined it by turning it into a fake Ferrari.

Some of the replicas really do look to be the part, but I just can't imagine shelling out several hundred for one when there's just so many legit pieces you could buy.

Cienciano · 03-09-2018 5:27pm

emo72 wrote: »

https://touch.adverts.ie/casual/omega-planet-ocean-skyfall-limited-edition-watch/16200756

Always wary of new accounts with expensive watches. Kosher?

If he has box and papers it's more than likely legit. Box and papers are in the photo. Reverse image search is a useful tool too.

893bet · 03-09-2018 5:40pm

Cienciano wrote: »

If he has box and papers it's more than likely legit. Box and papers are in the photo. Reverse image search is a useful tool too.

Box and papers mean little. Have a look on done deal for 100s of watches with watches and paperwork.

Buy the seller. They had it listed and refused a quick sale. No red flags but overpriced.
https://www.adverts.ie/15438694

As an aside. I was recently chatting to a chap who sells a few watches on adverts and DoneDeal. He got mugged during one of the deals through done deal and relieved of a 2k watch. Be careful out there!

Cienciano · 03-09-2018 5:46pm

893bet wrote: »

Box and papers mean little. Have a look on done deal for 100s of watches with watches and paperwork.

Buy the seller. They had it listed and refused a quick sale. No red flags but overpriced.
https://www.adverts.ie/15438694

As an aside. I was recently chatting to a chap who sells a few watches on adverts and DoneDeal. He got mugged during one of the deals through done deal and relieved of a 2k watch. Be careful out there!

Yeah, fair enough.
On being robbed, that can happen with any item, cars included. A common one is phones. "Can I see the phone?", you hand it over and they're gone!
Taking a test drive on a motorbike was a old common one. "He seems to be gone a long time, he said he was just going up the road"

HDMI · 03-09-2018 11:19pm

Cienciano wrote: »

A common one is phones. "Can I see the phone?", you hand it over and they're gone!

A few years ago my wife wanted to buy a phone from adverts and arranged to meet a guy on the other side of the city. We waited an hour and the guy turned up and whips the phone out of his pocket. I asked where's the box? he says it's in his mother's, and where's the charging cable? with the box in my mother's. It was going to be a 400 quid purchase so we told him to do one, he offered 30 quid off :mad:

Over the coming days the guy ended up with tons of negative feedback and always had a constant flow of iPhones and Samsung's with no boxes, luckily long time banned now.

aaakev · 07-09-2018 8:06am

OmegaGene wrote: »

Seller has commented now that the TAG Heuer was purchased from a source in the industry, alarms are ringing for me anyway.

Me too, i dont think its fake but definitely a sniff of something dodgy about it

Lorddrakul · 07-09-2018 10:13am

There may be nothing dodgy, it could just be that the source was substantially cheaper again and he is turning it back into cash as quickly as possible through a very compelling price.

Cyrus · 07-09-2018 10:37am

plenty available at that money and less on c24 its all its worth really

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