Peter McVerry Trust staff and wages

Raconteuse · 05-12-2019 11:20am

Earthhorse wrote: »

Just curious but why are pensions always brought up in these things?

To whinge for the sake of whinging.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-12-2019 11:20am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

And how can you, personally, tell the ones scamming the system from those who aren't?

I know many families who have scammed the system.

One couple had the fella move home to his mas for 6 months while she and the kids went homeless.

Got a lovely 2 bed apartment and hey presto he’s back living with them.

This is happening every day all over the country but people are naive and think people aren’t so devious to do things like that.

You will say you don’t believe me. That’s fine. All I can do is tell you what I know and it’s up to you to believe me or not.

El_Duderino 09 · 05-12-2019 11:23am

JJJackal wrote: »

How much do you think a CEO of a charity (we could call it a business as to the CEO it is a business) that employs 500 people and has a budget of 18 million earn?

Or if you think they should earn less where do you think they will find one with the skill set to do the job? If he/ she turns out to be good at it, some non charitable company will want to employ him or her for far more money

I think they want people with the skills to do the job and who could earn that money elsewhere, to do it for free.

The CEO is just a job. If they don’t pay market rates they won’t get the people capable of going the job.

It’s just nitpicking by people who don’t want to a knowledge they other people are doing great work. The same people wouldn’t have a pop at a CEO in the private sector on the same money or expect them to work for free

05-12-2019 11:23am

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

As someone who's been spit on, hit, threatened, verbally abused countless times... I'd love to say "yep, out they go, tough luck", but when I take my ego out of the equation, the fact of the matter is: homeless clients are generally deeply, deeply traumatised from early life experiences. Huge rates of mental illness, and exposure to drink and drugs as a child or teenager.
So while they can be a pain in the ass today, they're trying to deal with the awful stuff they've gone through early in life. If I'd been sexually abused, or seen someone batter my mother, I might want to blot out that pain too, and maybe drug use or alcohol is the only answer. Maybe it caused me to spiral in terms of mental health, and I had to leave my home and sleep on the streets. Homeless, mental health issues... Who's gonna hire me?

It's a real eye opener working in the job, in so many ways.

Are you talking about rough sleepers or the Erica Fleming/Margaret Elizabeth Cash homeless?

El_Duderino 09 · 05-12-2019 11:27am

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

I know many families who have scammed the system.

One couple had the fella move home to his mas for 6 months while she and the kids went homeless.

Got a lovely 2 bed apartment and hey presto he’s back living with them.

This is happening every day all over the country but people are naive and think people aren’t so devious to do things like that.

You will say you don’t believe me. That’s fine. All I can do is tell you what I know and it’s up to you to believe me or not.

I believe you. So you know a few people scamming the system. Now, how do you tell the difference between those scamming the system and those who aren’t amongst people you don’t know (assuming the people you know are a tiny fraction of a percentage of the country)

And the second question was whether people who aren’t scamming the system should be helped.

05-12-2019 11:27am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I completely agree. I think his great work shows the rest of us that we ought to be better and do more. Some react to that be acknowledging his great work and acknowledging that they ought to do more. Others react by wanting to find fault in him to convince themselves his work isn’t actually great and maybe he’s a dick so I’m doing fine as I am and I don’t actually need to do anything more.

some lecture the latter.

we've no evidence that they are in the former, but i think we'd all agree that its lovely to be a lovely person, but being a lovely person that is a lovely person without telling everyone that theyre a lovely person and others arent makes you the loveliest person of all.

most people have to expend a fair effort from a young enough age to get what they have- whatever level that is for each person.

they dont appreciate being told that they have to do more to give to those that havent made that effort.

the vast majority of them will accept that there are cases that simply havent the opportunity to look after themselves, but they also know very well that there isnt 10k homeless in the country, that the majority of rough sleepers require drugs and/or mental health treatment, and that theres many with their hands out that could well be working and earning but have long ago decided that wasnt for them

judge that set of opinions all you want, everybody judges everyone, its delicious.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-12-2019 11:34am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I believe you. So you know a few people scamming the system. Now, how do you tell the difference between those scamming the system and those who aren’t amongst people you don’t know (assuming the people you know are a tiny fraction of a percentage of the country)

And the second question was whether people who aren’t scamming the system should be helped.

People who aren’t scamming the system and fall on hard times like a mother with kids who’s husband has left her etc

Or someone working but genuinely can’t afford somewhere to live and I mean genuinely.

I’m all for helping.

The rest of the forever home Erica Fleming types can walk off a cliff for all I care.

El_Duderino 09 · 05-12-2019 11:40am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

some lecture the latter.

we've no evidence that they are in the former, but i think we'd all agree that its lovely to be a lovely person, but being a lovely person that is a lovely person without telling everyone that theyre a lovely person and others arent makes you the loveliest person of all.

Yeah and I see this a lot. You wouldn’t mind people going the work PMV does as long as he doesn’t tell anyone about it d st o they realise he’s doing great work and they aren’t.

He could tell nobody, no advertising, no publicity, no fundraising or awareness. He could use the few spare quid he has as a private priest and help a homeless person. But then he wouldn’t be able to go all the great work he has done. Charity work needs money, public support, public awareness, high profile, needs to be kept current.

Lots more people have been helped because of the publicity campaigns. It’s just too easy to write it off. If you know about it, it must have had a publicity campaign so it must be bad.

mariaalice · 05-12-2019 11:41am

Deleted User wrote: »

congrats, you're the target

I know but I do not give money, but will ask would they like food or a hot drink and will buy it for them.

I don't know if they can figuer this out, but recently a woman who was a traveler I think, did not ask for money but asked me to buy her bread and milk which I did.

05-12-2019 11:42am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah and I see this a lot. You wouldn’t mind people going the work PMV does as long as he doesn’t tell anyone about it d st o they realise he’s doing great work and they aren’t.

He could tell nobody, no advertising, no publicity, no fundraising or awareness. He could use the few spare quid he has as a private priest and help a homeless person. But then he wouldn’t be able to go all the great work he has done. Charity work needs money, public support, public awareness, high profile, needs to be kept current.

Lots more people have been helped because of the publicity campaigns. It’s just too easy to write it off. If you know about it, it must have had a publicity campaign so it must be bad.

this is kinda awkward.

i was referring to you.

El_Duderino 09 · 05-12-2019 11:43am

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

People who aren’t scamming the system and fall on hard times like a mother with kids who’s husband has left her etc

Or someone working but genuinely can’t afford somewhere to live and I mean genuinely.

I’m all for helping.

The rest of the forever home Erica Fleming types can walk off a cliff for all I care.

Ok. And how can you tell them apart? Hint- you can’t. I can’t either. So I’ll just support the ones who help the people who need it. If done people get help who could have done without it, big whoop. So fcuking what? There will always be some scammers and that’s no reason to not provide help for those who need it.

gman2k · 05-12-2019 11:47am

I work for an organisation that has "Charity" in its name and provides services to vulnerable people.
The job I do (and get paid for) cannot be done by volunteers, and there are many people in my organisation who would not even work with some of the people I support due to the challenges they present.
There have been many people I know who have been seriously injured in the course of their work.
To suggest that services can and should be provided by unpaid volunteers or even lowly paid employees is laughable, but understandable when it comes from people who have zero knowledge of what is entailed.

El_Duderino 09 · 05-12-2019 11:47am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

this is kinda awkward.

i was referring to you.

Really? But I don’t to do anything special to help charities.

Oh Christ I just got it. Me saying I support people like PMV was enough to render me a bad actor in your eyes. Is that what happened?

Subcomandante Marcos · 05-12-2019 11:51am

BDI wrote: »

Seems Peter McVerry, the little priest with the soup kitchen has 500 staff. 18.6 million a year in wages. Pension contributed too.
Average wage €37500.

What’s the best charity for percentage that actually goes to the needy? I heard of a pseudo science service provider having a charity before and all the money raised went towards him and his mate doing their pseudo science on people. The accounts seemed to show this.

What’s it all about? Restore my faith in charity on an industrial level.

500 qualified social care workers, social workers, psychologists, psychiatric nurses, occupational therapists, family support workers, HR staff, and others, with level 8 degrees, master's, and in some cases PhDs, providing services for several thousand homeless people, young people in care, families, elderly people and people at risk of homelessness.

How much do you think they should be paid?

Subcomandante Marcos · 05-12-2019 11:56am

Raconteuse wrote: »

Average 37000 though. Probably entry level at 25k.

Wages start at £31308.
Which is the HSE paybscqle point 1 for social care workers. All PMVT, Simon, focus Ireland, etc, salaries are tied to HSE pay scales.

corner of hells · 05-12-2019 11:57am

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

500 qualified social care workers, social workers, psychologists, psychiatric nurses, occupational therapists, family support workers, HR staff, and others, with level 8 degrees, master's, and in some cases PhDs, providing services for several thousand homeless people, young people in care, families, elderly people and people at risk of homelessness.

How much do you think they should be paid?

Shaddup you , you're ruining the thread.

Subcomandante Marcos · 05-12-2019 11:59am

BDI wrote: »

37 k is skilled tradesman/skilled office type money not unskilled work. The average wage is 37k how many are on little and how many are on crazy money. Handy out chickens or cleaning bowls in a soup kitchen is hardly worth 37k a week.

How many of these people on big money are religious/church people or part time people on another full wage sticking in an hour or two a week and heading home with the leftover(preselected) bread rolls and chickens?

It’s soup kitchens they arnt building the houses or teaching the homeless how to build the houses. A vast majority of them staff seem like they wouldn’t be earning 37 and a half grand anywhere else with a pension.

Do you get 37 and a half grand for standing at one of them little tables in the supermarket shaking a bucket?

PMVT don't run soup kitchens.

You have an awfully strong opinion of the salary of workers considering you clearly haven't a ****ing notion what they actually do.

salmocab · 05-12-2019 12:01pm

I really can’t believe that people think these wages are outrageous.
There are 2 different things here as far as I can see, people are shocked at the wages and thought that these people should be either not paid or low paid and that really the amount of these charities is not right and surely they could be doing more work if there were less charities with the same amount of money (really there shouldn’t be need for them but that’s a different thing). The first just seems like nonsense but the second I think is probably a real issue.

Subcomandante Marcos · 05-12-2019 12:09pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

You need a CEO on 120,000 to hand out a few meals each night and provide beds supplied by the government.

Like what does the job of the CEO involve can you tell me?

120,000 a year.

Give me a break.

He runs a company which employs 500+ qualified professional workers, has a turnover of 27+ million euros per year and provides services for thousands of young people, homeless people, people at risk of homelessness and families weekly.

Find someone qualified who runs a similar sized organisation for cheaper.

People literally haven't a ****ing clue what the company does, what specific staff do, or what wages are compared to other organisations of similar size and still have the confidence to express their opinions as if they're right.

Typical AH.

Subcomandante Marcos · 05-12-2019 12:10pm

Lads will be crying soon because they find out that nurses, gardai, Soldiers, Youth Workers, and vets get paid wages too.

anewme · 05-12-2019 12:11pm

salmocab wrote: »

I really can’t believe that people think these wages are outrageous.
There are 2 different things here as far as I can see, people are shocked at the wages and thought that these people should be either not paid or low paid and that really the amount of these charities is not right and surely they could be doing more work if there were less charities with the same amount of money (really there shouldn’t be need for them but that’s a different thing). The first just seems like nonsense but the second I think is probably a real issue.

I'm shocked as well that people think these are good wages. We take on Grads. with no experinece probably starting around 33K.

Mystery Egg · 05-12-2019 12:11pm

The Peter McVerry Trust named themselves after Peter McVerry. He doesn't own the organisation.

He started the Arrupe society in 1983, having been providing emergency needs to homeless boys since he started working with them in the 70s. He then handed it over to a board and it became the enormous machine it is now.

Peter McVerry the man works as the social advocate for the Jesuit Centre in Dublin and does not take a salary. He also spends a huge amount of his time in the Dublin prisons providing spiritual and practical supports to prisoners.

He has done and continues to do trojan work. It's important that certain voices exist to critique government policy.

Boggles · 05-12-2019 12:12pm

Is Eoghan Murphy paying for these threads out of his own pocket or is he putting them down as expenses?

mariaalice · 05-12-2019 12:19pm

The nastiness I do not get, notwithstanding this I do understand some of the reactions.

If you are some young person from Tallaght say and working in a going now where customer service job in a cube farm being paid 27k, and on the one hand looking at what they consider to be scobies wearing 120 euro runner top-class Superdry clothes and waving an iPhone around who are supposed to be homeless and on the other hand watching some IT head on multiples of what they earn dropping 200 euro on a night out with no problem.

Its bound to make people turn on the society they live in to some extent.

eviltwin · 05-12-2019 12:35pm

mariaalice wrote: »

The nastiness I do not get, notwithstanding this I do understand some of the reactions.

If you are some young person from Tallagh say and working in a going now where customer service job in a cube farm being paid 27k, and on the one hand looking at what they consider to be scobies wearing 120 euro runner top-class Superdry clothes and waving an iPhone around who are supposed to be homeless and on the other hand watching some IT head on multiples of what they earn droping 200 euro on a night out with no problem.

Its bound to make people turn on the society they live in to some extent.

Having a pop at front line staff is kinda pointless, a bit like slagging nurses for the state of the health service.

mariaalice · 05-12-2019 12:37pm

eviltwin wrote: »

Having a pop at front line staff is kinda pointless, a bit like slagging nurses for the state of the health service.

I am not saying it's logical more a tiny bit understandable.

WeleaseWoderick · 05-12-2019 12:42pm

Wouldn't for a second expect anyone in the charities to work for free on a full time basis and don't think that the average wage paid is in any way scandalous.

I would however think there is merit in questioning would having fewer charities mean more efficient spending of funds. i.e. there surely is a lot of admin roles that are being replicated across each charity that could be far better handled from a centralized administration.

I do think it is also a bit disingenuous to bemoan the government in this particular case when it looks like nearly 65% of their total funding is received from the State.

c.p.w.g.w · 05-12-2019 12:57pm

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

On a related note is there any way to verify McVerrys story around someone being brought to court over solely the theft of a one euro bottle?

If the claim was made on here there would be people asking for links and evidence, yet the media has lapped it up

I worked in a small shop before(Centra/Mace/Spar style) the owner would arrest people for stealing something worth 20c and hold them in the store for at least hour or until the guards arrived.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 05-12-2019 1:04pm

Berserker5 wrote: »

Actual Mental illness and Mental health issues intertwined with addiction are different

As a mental health professional, I'm well aware, and my point still stands. If you want to get specific about it (and it's almost completely redundant to do so), the vast majority of clients I've worked with have received diagnoses of mental health disorders, including substance use disorders as per the DSM-V. Also, it's worth factoring in the significant level of clients with acquired brain injuries and learning difficulties.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Wages start at £31308.
Which is the HSE paybscqle point 1 for social care workers. All PMVT, Simon, focus Ireland, etc, salaries are tied to HSE pay scales.

They're not tied to HSE scales. Front line staff hired these days get significantly lower wages.

mariaalice · 05-12-2019 1:12pm

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

As a mental health professional, I'm well aware, and my point still stands. If you want to get specific about it (and it's almost completely redundant to do so), the vast majority of clients I've worked with have received diagnoses of mental health disorders, including substance use disorders as per the DSM-V. Also, it's worth factoring in the significant level of clients with acquired brain injuries and learning difficulties.

The learning difficulties is another thing that goes under the rader a bit as well, years ago those with a borderline or slightly below borderline or borderline with anxiety tendency would have got a residential placement with a lot of organisation now not a hope community support or some such is suppose to sort it our after their parent dies or they come out of care.

El_Duderino 09 · 05-12-2019 1:13pm

WeleaseWoderick wrote: »

Wouldn't for a second expect anyone in the charities to work for free on a full time basis and don't think that the average wage paid is in any way scandalous.

I would however think there is merit in questioning would having fewer charities mean more efficient spending of funds. i.e. there surely is a lot of admin roles that are being replicated across each charity that could be far better handled from a centralized administration.

I do think it is also a bit disingenuous to bemoan the government in this particular case when it looks like nearly 65% of their total funding is received from the State.

Yes there’s merit in that. Particularly the point about duplication. But government relies on third sector organisations to do a lot of its work. It gives them a separation where they get the work done for them and aren’t completely responsible for the work like if they did it directly.

Ideally the whole thing would be handled by government directly and it would be adequately funded and resourced. But in the absence of that...

weldoninhio · 05-12-2019 1:31pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah and I see this a lot. You wouldn’t mind people going the work PMV does as long as he doesn’t tell anyone about it d st o they realise he’s doing great work and they aren’t.

He could tell nobody, no advertising, no publicity, no fundraising or awareness. He could use the few spare quid he has as a private priest and help a homeless person. But then he wouldn’t be able to go all the great work he has done. Charity work needs money, public support, public awareness, high profile, needs to be kept current.

Lots more people have been helped because of the publicity campaigns. It’s just too easy to write it off. If you know about it, it must have had a publicity campaign so it must be bad.

Lets say the disposable income of the people of Ireland is €1,000,000 as an example.

If there is one homeless charity and overheads and wages is €250k, then €750k will go to the people that need it.

If there are 2 homeless charities competing, then €250k will go to those that need it.

4 charities and its down to €0k.

How many homeless "charities" are there currently, even just Dublin based??

Subcomandante Marcos · 05-12-2019 1:40pm

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

They're not tied to HSE scales. Front line staff hired these days get significantly lower wages.

All PMVT wages are tied to HSE pay scales.
SCWs in PMVT start at .1 on the HSE SCW scale at €31308.
Relief staff are paid .1 on the same scale pro rota.

The only people who start lower are interns who start at 25k.

corner of hells · 05-12-2019 1:41pm

I work as a social care worker in homeless services , I've a degree in social care along with a background in addiction counselling. I earn around about that 37k.

My position is funded , that means I have to accountable for everything I do along with having outcomes.Its based on statistics and KPIs and that's normal for the vast amount of frontline staff.
There's no such thing as money being thrown at homeless services hand over fist.

In regards to duplicity , thats a nice new buzz that emanated from a lot of these Facebook charities that appeared in the last few years when they were being challenged about what they were actually doing.

weldoninhio · 05-12-2019 1:45pm

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

I worked in a small shop before(Centra/Mace/Spar style) the owner would arrest people for stealing something worth 20c and hold them in the store for at least hour or until the guards arrived.

I've no doubt people get arrested for things like that, but would the DPP prosecute?? Surely it would be a complete waste of money, likely be thrown out by the judge and clog up the already overburdened system. I very much doubt they would.

El_Duderino 09 · 05-12-2019 1:46pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Lets say the disposable income of the people of Ireland is €1,000,000 as an example.

If there is one homeless charity and overheads and wages is €250k, then €750k will go to the people that need it.

If there are 2 homeless charities competing, then €250k will go to those that need it.

4 charities and its down to €0k.

How many homeless "charities" are there currently, even just Dublin based??

I don’t know how many homeless charities there are. But I really don’t think the terrible maths is helping the case. I accept that duplication is bad and economy of scale is good. But the example above is poor for lots of reasons.

Jimmy Bottlehead · 05-12-2019 1:49pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

All PMVT wages are tied to HSE pay scales.
SCWs in PMVT start at .1 on the HSE SCW scale at €31308.
Relief staff are paid .1 on the same scale pro rota.

The only people who start lower are interns who start at 25k.

Allow me to correct myself then... I don't work for PMVT, and our organisation doesn't adhere to HSE payscales. Our starting front line workers get about €26k. I'm glad to hear that PMVT pays more, as from what I understand, they have an even more difficult position due to their own organisational policies.

Sloppy_Joe · 05-12-2019 1:49pm

eviltwin wrote: »

I work for a homeless charity. Not this one but a similar one. Am I expected to work for free? I work hard, I get abuse from service users, I've been physically attacked, I work at night, weekends and over Christmas. If people don't get paid who would bother doing it.

What would you work as if you were out of a job?

El_Duderino 09 · 05-12-2019 1:49pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I work as a social care worker in homeless services , I've a degree in social care along with a background in addiction counselling. I earn around about that 37k.

My position is funded , that means I have to accountable for everything I do along with having outcomes.Its based on statistics and KPIs and that's normal for the vast amount of frontline staff.
There's no such thing as money being thrown at homeless services hand over fist.

In regards to duplicity , thats a nice new buzz that emanated from a lot of these Facebook charities that appeared in the last few years when they were being challenged about what they were actually doing.

On 37k and you’ve to account for all the work you do and meet KPIs? Sounds like you’re on the gravy train, mate.

Seriously though, it sounds like you have a normal enough sounding job with targets and reasonable expectations in remuneration. I don’t get the hostility towards people working in charities.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-12-2019 1:53pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

On 37k and you’ve to account for all the work you do and meet KPIs? Sounds like you’re on the gravy train, mate.

Seriously though, it sounds like you have a normal enough sounding job with targets and reasonable expectations in remuneration. I don’t get the hostility towards people working in charities.

Probably cane from the exposure of widespread fraud in Ireland in charities a few years ago?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/3639258/ ex-charity-chief-paul-keppy-quizzed-dawn-swoop/amp/

The former CEO — suspected of swindling €600,000 from suicide helpline Console between 2012 and 2014 — was driven from his luxury pad in Clane, Co Kildare, early yesterday morning

One example of many.

Not saying they are all the same just showing why people might be suspicious.

05-12-2019 2:02pm

eviltwin wrote: »

We keep people safe, we provide counselling, support them through addiction, mental health issues, domestic violence. We have food for the kids, homework clubs, we give people who need it time, we listen to them, we teach them how to budget, manage a home, life skills. We can't get them out of homelessness with the click of a finger but that's not the job. The job is to provide them with emergency accommodation and support to live independently. I do a great job, my colleagues do a great job.

Raconteuse wrote: »

And who'd be able to do all that work for free? You?

stoneill wrote: »

I think that a lot of people on this thread should spend some time working with the charities for a week or two to see the devastation of peoples lives and then comment whether it is money well spent or not.

gman2k wrote: »

I work for an organisation that has "Charity" in its name and provides services to vulnerable people.
The job I do (and get paid for) cannot be done by volunteers, and there are many people in my organisation who would not even work with some of the people I support due to the challenges they present.
There have been many people I know who have been seriously injured in the course of their work.
To suggest that services can and should be provided by unpaid volunteers or even lowly paid employees is laughable, but understandable when it comes from people who have zero knowledge of what is entailed.

Nobody is saying that any volunteers and frontline staff aren't doing a good job. In fact, the vast majority of us wouldn't do it for twice what you're all being paid. The grievance people have is over the wastefulness that comes with repetition of roles across a number of charities. You don't need (or you wouldn't need) 15 CEOs and 15 boards and 15 sets of counselors etc if there was a centralised unit responsible for all the work currently carried out by the charities.

I posted the following on this exact topic in January:

Ignoring, for a second, that we use a different metric to ascertain as to what exactly counts as being “homeless”………..

Homelessness has become a business for certain groups. It is in their interest to bang this particular drum in the media as often and as loud as possible because this is their bread and butter. These guys would be out of a job if we eradicated homelessness.

https://pmvtrust.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Approved-and-Signed-PMVT-Audited-Accounts-for-2017-Excluding-income-and-expenditure.pdf

Total employment costs for 2017 – €14.9million (page 24)
Total state funding – €14.4million (page 11)

Think about that for a second. Every penny the Government gives these guys, plus the first half a million raised via collection, plus the €200k used to fund that collection (on page 13) is spent on staff salaries and pensions. Before a cup of tea or a sleeping bag or a pair of dry socks is handed out, they take the first €15million+.

If they didn’t exist, and that €15 mill was handed out to an organisation that already receives funding (like ICHH or example or even if their funding was given to PMcV), it would all go towards where it’s needed (barring a small % increase in the number of staff they’d have to employ).

Scandalous, really.

I am in no way disparaging the great work that people do for PMCVT. But when homeless people would be better off to the tune of €15,000,000 by the dissolution of the most prominent charity, then questions have to be asked.

If the charities really wanted to end homelessness they'd band together to cut costs, saving money in the process and have more to spread out where it is required. Instead, they're competing with each other.

Subcomandante Marcos · 05-12-2019 2:04pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nobody is saying that any volunteers and frontline staff aren't doing a good job. In fact, the vast majority of us wouldn't do it for twice what you're all being paid. The grievance people have is over the wastefulness that comes with repetition of roles across a number of charities. You don't need (or you wouldn't need) 15 CEOs and 15 boards and 15 sets of counselors etc if there was a centralised unit responsible for all the work currently carried out by the charities.

I posted the following on this exact topic in January:

If the charities really wanted to end homelessness they'd band together to cut costs, saving money in the process and have more to spread out where it is required. Instead, they're competing with each other.

And in January it was pointed out by several people than you and your fellow rabid hoard members hadn't a notion what you were talking about.

Go back and read that thread.

05-12-2019 2:09pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

rabbis hoard

corner of hells · 05-12-2019 2:27pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

On 37k and you’ve to account for all the work you do and meet KPIs? Sounds like you’re on the gravy train, mate.

Seriously though, it sounds like you have a normal enough sounding job with targets and reasonable expectations in remuneration. I don’t get the hostility towards people working in charities.

I'm posting from my yaught in Bermuda as we speak.

Subcomandante Marcos · 05-12-2019 2:33pm

corner of hells wrote: »

I'm posting from my yaught in Bermuda as we speak.

It's so easy to get all that work done while you're doing the easy task of head counts, SAMS, observations, key work, dealing with a benzo fit, talking someone through hap applications, braking out the noloxone kit to save someone's life mid OD, talking down a suicidal resident, and keeping the place clean and safe.

Quit slacking.

weldoninhio · 05-12-2019 2:35pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don’t know how many homeless charities there are. But I really don’t think the terrible maths is helping the case. I accept that duplication is bad and economy of scale is good. But the example above is poor for lots of reasons.

It’s fairly simple.

There is a finite amount of money donated. The more “charities” there are, the less of that donated money actually gets to the people it was donated for.

Professor Genius · 05-12-2019 2:37pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Surprised it took so long for an attack on McVerry tbh. He lambasts the government for the behaviour of Murphy for claiming 51k yet not doing the job he was elected to do whilst Peter accompanied a teenager to court who was caught stealing a bar costing a euro.

It’s stealing a €1euro bar of choc today and possibly being involved in gangland executions tomorrow. These things are best nipped in the bud

corner of hells · 05-12-2019 2:38pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It's so easy to get all that work done while you're doing the easy task of head counts, SAMS, observations, key work, dealing with a benzo fit, talking someone through hap applications, braking out the noloxone kit to save someone's life mid OD, talking down a suicidal resident, and keeping the place clean and safe.

Quit slacking.

Shhhh, will ya.

corner of hells · 05-12-2019 2:38pm

Professor Genius wrote: »

It’s stealing a €1euro bar of choc today and possibly being involved in gangland executions tomorrow. These things are best nipped in the bud

Apt name for that post.

El_Duderino 09 · 05-12-2019 2:42pm

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Probably cane from the exposure of widespread fraud in Ireland in charities a few years ago?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thesun.ie/news/3639258/ ex-charity-chief-paul-keppy-quizzed-dawn-swoop/amp/

The former CEO — suspected of swindling €600,000 from suicide helpline Console between 2012 and 2014 — was driven from his luxury pad in Clane, Co Kildare, early yesterday morning

One example of many.

Not saying they are all the same just showing why people might be suspicious.

Could have. And if it is a result of changes after that, it’s a good thing, right? Good controls on how the money is spend dvd good auditing of the work being done.

Sounds like a good system to me. Doesn’t it sound good to you?

Peter McVerry Trust staff and wages

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