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M11/N30 - Gorey to Enniscorthy [open to traffic]

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    #62
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    That makes perfect sense, might as well re-couple them while we have the chance.


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    #63
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Road-Hog wrote: »
    And what is your source?

    Ultimately the notice came from Hugh Creegan , Head of PPP Operations in the NRA and is not a secret or anything.


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    #64
    Road-Hog
    Registered Users Posts: 1,412 ✭✭✭Road-Hog


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Ultimately the notice came from Hugh Creegan , Head of PPP Operations in the NRA and is not a secret or anything.


    I take it 'square pants' that you have some good contacts in the NRA or in fact actually work in the organisation ??


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    #65
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Actually a lot of sense would be made if Spongy was Hugh Creegan.


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    #66
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I have nothing whatsoever to do with the NRA or with any form of Civil Engineering :cool: The New Ross PPP is to issue shortly is the main story .

    Mind you the M18/M17 main PPP tender issued January 2010 and so far all we have a is a shortlist of 2 after 14 whole months of 'process'


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    #67
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Original timeline for the M17/18

    OJEU Notice date – January 2009
    Dialogue Commencement Date – June 2009
    Receipt of Final Tender –May 2010
    Contract Close – October 2010
    Construction - Q1 2011


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    #68
    thedarkroom
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    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    I have nothing whatsoever to do with the NRA or with any form of Civil Engineering :cool: The New Ross PPP is to issue shortly is the main story .

    Mind you the M18/M17 main PPP tender issued January 2010 and so far all we have a is a shortlist of 2 after 14 whole months of 'process'

    You have an impressive knowledge of how this system works and finding the relevant information. What's your secret . . . or is it a secret?


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    #69
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    New Ross has officially been re-coupled with Enniscorthy and the original M11 tender has been cancelled as a result.

    http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=MAR145808


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    #70
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Told Ye :D

    The next problem is whether the government cuts both the recoupled schemes as part of their review of PPPs.

    The next problem after that is whether they can reactivate the two schemes with money from the EIB which would cost less than a PPP would or indeed carry on with the tender and ask for a PPP price and a cash price both from the consortia.

    We shall see


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    #71
    Quadra
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭Quadra


    This snippet from the Public Accounts committee, 22 April 2010:

    Second Roads PPP Programme
    There are four schemes currently planned in the National Roads Authority Second Roads PPP programme.

    Three of which are now in procurement, namely:

    1. N17/N18 Scheme (Gort to Tuam)
    Indicative financial close for this scheme is October 2010.

    2. N7/N11 Scheme (Arklow, Rathnew and Newlands Cross)
    Indicative financial close for this scheme is Q4 2010.

    3. M11/M25 Scheme (Gorey to Enniscorthy, New Ross Bypass)
    The scheme has recently launched.

    The fourth scheme the M20 (Limerick to Cork – Southern Section) is expected to launch over the next few months.

    The N11 route does looks seriously 'shovel ready'. A bungalow north of Jack White's cross (before the Barndarraig service station) was recently demolished, as was a two-story dwelling on the left-hand side at the start of the bends.

    To add to JD's point, you can see the simple - and ultimately tragic - reason for the urgency of this upgrade in the number of headstones, crosses and memorials at the side of this single carriageway stretch.


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    #72
    123easy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 115 ✭✭123easy


    Had a look at the M11 Enniscorthy PPP scheme, surely there are other parts of the country more deserving of a bypass than Ennisocrthy is of a motorway.


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    #73
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    100% definately, I'm against Enniscorthy starting AT THE MOMENT, while there are far more deserving projects floating around. As I see it, the reason it is getting done is because New Ross wasnt big enough to be a PPP in its own right so they tacked on the scheme that was geographically the closest, ie: Enniscorthy.

    A scheme of similar length for instance, that needs to be done far more urgently, is the N28 to Ringaskiddy. Thats been completely forgotten and despite lower traffic levels, is still needed badly.


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    #74
    L1011
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    The N11 corridor is seen as a sort of ersatz MIU due to the Rosslare freight traffic though, thats part of why the N11 bit of the Enniscorthy BP is motorway and goes all the way to Clogh.

    The scale of the scheme in general is huge though - is the N30 part of it DC also?


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    #75
    jd
    Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    http://www.wexfordcoco.ie/wex/Departments/Roads/NationalRoadsLiaisonOffice/M11GoreytoEnniscorthyScheme/
    The new Motorway will run from the Southern end of the Gorey Bypass at Clogh to Scurlocksbush at Oilgate and will incorporate the Enniscorthy Bypass. This section of the scheme will be 27 km and the scheme will also include a 4 km dual carriageway connecting the new motorway to the existing N11 at Scarawalsh and a further 8 km single carriageway link from Scarawalsh to the N30 at Clohass.


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    #76
    Sponge Bob
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    jd wrote: »
    Scurlocksbush

    Sounds like a peculiar local mating ritual that :)

    Nice one getting 4km of dualler on the N30 and all. Like MYOB says the N11 is an Ersatz MIU since about the 1980's otherwise it would not be considered for Motorway at all. But let this section be an end to it :)


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    #77
    jd
    Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Sounds like a peculiar local mating ritual that :)

    Nice one getting 4km of dualler on the N30 and all. Like MYOB says the N11 is an Ersatz MIU since about the 1980's otherwise it would not be considered for Motorway at all. But let this section be an end to it :)

    Maybe an online (where possible) upgrade to D2AP to Rosslare :)


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    #78
    invinciblePRSTV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    MYOB wrote: »
    The N11 corridor is seen as a sort of ersatz MIU due to the Rosslare freight traffic though, thats part of why the N11 bit of the Enniscorthy BP is motorway and goes all the way to Clogh.

    The scale of the scheme in general is huge though - is the N30 part of it DC also?

    How much freight & passenger traffic is Rosslare getting these days anyway? particularly in comparison to the State's other ports located in or near urban areas? seems to me the idea of building & maintaining connections to Rosslare by Motorway & Rail is a product of 20 Century Shannon style thinking.


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    #79
    tw0nk
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    cant wait for N11 to be finished off, will knock 10-20 minutes off my journey every day, to those who are against the upgrade, the roads you are waiting for will eventually come, dublin - cork, dublin - galway, dublin - belfast, dublin - waterford, all finished or nearly finished with motorway.

    the amount of traffic throughout the summer months back and forth to wexford is huge, these road upgrades give huge time benefits to commuters, tourists and services (ambulance etc)


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    #80
    invinciblePRSTV
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭invinciblePRSTV


    Interesting stats, perhaps this year with the ash cloud there will be a spike in passenger numbers but for the most part Rosslare seems to be stagnating in most areas over the past decade, will an enhanced motorway and rail service really reverse the ports long term decline?.

    As mentioned by Chris the N28 is surely more deserving of funds for an upgrade then parts of the N/M11.


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    #81
    Sponge Bob
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    Rosslare has slowly declined in importance over the past 20 years. Only 1000 vehicles a day used it (through) in 1999 and that is now 800 vehicles a day.

    A couple of 2+2 online passing stretches between Rosslare and Oilgate would suffice in my opinion.

    Anyway the Rosslare - Oilgate scheme is one of the 90+ schemes the greens have kyboshed in the October programme for government not that any Wexford FFer will admit that.


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    #82
    runway16
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭runway16


    Another point to consider folks is that the N11 is part of E01 - These are undertakings to deliver these routes (right across europe) to DC or M'way standard, and Ireland also has to deliver on that promise. There are strategic reasons for the delivery of this, and they go beyond just national or local reasons,


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    #83
    Sponge Bob
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    Begob he is right :eek:

    We signed an International Treaty on this as far back as 1950 ( and some since) :eek:

    http://untreaty.un.org/unts/1_60000/3/6/00004285.pdf

    See list of signatories and jump to Annex 2 for a shufty. But as the road does not carry over 600 vehicles an hour....even whan the ferry arrives..we would appear compliant with the 1950 standard if there is good quaility S2 between Oilgate and Rosslare.

    The most recent standard is here , from 2008

    http://www.unece.org/trans/conventn/ECE-TRANS-SC1-384e.pdf

    The N11 ( E1) is an intermediate not a reference route.


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    #84
    runway16
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭runway16


    I'm on the board a week... and already making waves..... COOL!!! ;-)


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    #85
    Amtmann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Bump! Dedicated Enniscorthy Bypass thread created by moving posts from various M11 and threads.

    enniscorthybypass.jpg

    This is coupled in a PPP bundle with the N25 New Ross Bypass. From the NRA's second round PPP programme document (attached):
    The M11 Enniscorthy Bypass will commence at Frankfort via a proposed grade separated junction with the existing Gorey Bypass. The proposed route continues in a south westerly direction with further junctions at Ballydawnmore (connecting with the N80 link) and finishing with an at grade roundabout in Roperstown on the existing N11 just north of Oilgate village. The N80 link commences at the Ballydawnmore junction and takes a westerly direction crossing the Dublin to Rosslare rail line and the Slaney River at Ballynabarny before connecting to the existing N11/ N80 junction at Scarawalsh with an at grade roundabout. The N30 western link commences at the N11/ N80 junction at Scarwalsh and continues in a south westerly direction to the west of Enniscorthy Town. There is an at grade roundabaout at Milehouse on the existing R702 and the scheme finishes to the south with a further at grade roundabout at Jamestown.

    Scheme Features:
    • On the M11 Mainline there are 2 no grade separated junction and two at grade roundabouts;
    • The N80 Link has one at grade junction;
    • The N30 Link has two at grade roundabouts;
    • The main structural feature of this scheme is the crossing of the River Slaney combined with a crossing of the Dublin/ Rosslare rail line;
    • Two Railway Bridges – crossing the Dublin/ Rosslare rail line.


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    #86
    Tech3
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    This scheme is overkill for the amount of AADT on route. It doesnt justify motorway IMO.


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    #87
    ardmacha
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    This scheme is overkill for the amount of AADT on route. It doesnt justify motorway IMO.

    There is a certain inequity that this route gets a motorway when no such provision is envisaged for the likes of the N3 south of Cavan or the N4 which have similar traffic levels. 2+2 would seem appropriate in both cases.


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    #88
    123easy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 115 ✭✭123easy


    Ah but its a euro route so it is special


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    #89
    loyatemu
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    123easy wrote: »
    Ah but its a euro route so it is special

    yep, the E01 - eventually we'll be able to drive all the way to the Algarve - I can't wait!

    127905.jpg

    (some form of bridge or tunnel may be required for the final section, or "E01 Gap" as it'll no doubt be known)


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    #90
    jd
    Registered Users Posts: 5,680 ✭✭✭jd


    http://www.enniscorthyecho.ie/news/story/?trs=mhidqlgbau&cat=news
    THE PROPOSED Enniscorthy by-pass, which was unveiled to the public three years ago and was due to commence in two months, will not start now until at least 2015, it was confirmed this week.

    What should have been the most expensive infrastructural project in the town’s history has become the latest casualty of the economic downturn.


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    #91
    Amtmann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    This on e-tenders today: http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=JAN195839

    The NRA seems rather busy of late with plotting and planning.


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