John Waters gone mad

s7ryf3925pivug · 18-11-2018 9:40pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The point I am making is that these great institutions promoting and celebrating diversity are some of the least diverse working environments In the country. It wasn’t enough that Waters was white and middle class, he committed the fatal sin of not conforming to the liberal group think as well.

There is an audience for opinions other than those of the urban, liberal, middle class elite in this country. Even if you remove one of those characteristics and replace it with another.

The Irish Times has lost over 40% of its readership in just 7 years.

Maybe more people don’t want to read the pontificating charlatans of the mould of Fintan O’ Toole spouting their social fashionista opinions.

Middle class people are not the elite.

paw patrol · 18-11-2018 9:48pm

Kingsley Unsightly Inch wrote: »

Fintan O'Toole has a new book on the mentality of Brexit voters. I read an extract of it in The Guardian. Compellung stuff, and I think he nailed it. They're all deranged really. Not his words but that's what it amounts to... I'm a bit fascinated by the new nationalist attitudes because I feel like I don't get them.

fintan o'toole is deranged so perhaps he is best placed to recognise it.

Fintan O'Toole hates Ireland , any sense of national price or our cultural.
Always stating how sh1t we as a nation are, while he pontificates and berates us from his moral high ground.

SafeSurfer · 18-11-2018 10:08pm

spacetweek wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The Irish Times has lost over 40% of its readership in just 7 years. Maybe more people don’t want to read the pontificating charlatans of the mould of Fintan O’ Toole spouting their social fashionista opinions.

It's more likely that that's just because of the general erosion of newspaper readership worldwide due to the internet.The IT still remains the paper of record and is the only one left with deep dive journalism.

If by deep dive journalism you mean one has to hold one’s nose then I would have to agree. One must remember that the Irish Times has long been a bastion of exclusion, only permitting its first catholic editor in 1986.

Kingsley Unsightly Inch wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The point I am making is that these great institutions promoting and celebrating diversity are some of the least diverse working environments In the country. It wasn’t enough that Waters was white and middle class, he committed the fatal sin of not conforming to the liberal group think as well.

There is an audience for opinions other than those of the urban, liberal, middle class elite in this country. Even if you remove one of those characteristics and replace it with another.

The Irish Times has lost over 40% of its readership in just 7 years.

Maybe more people don’t want to read the pontificating charlatans of the mould of Fintan O’ Toole spouting their social fashionista opinions.

Middle class people are not the elite.

One doesn’t have to be wealthy to be a member of the elite.
The ability to be opinion influencers and informers, the power to set the agenda and hold politicians to account absolutely makes journalists members of the elite.
Take a look at the book The Media Elite from nearly 40 years ago and things have scarcely changed.

“The survey revealed a group of individuals at once remarkably similar to one another in background, status, and beliefs and strikingly different from the general public. In 1980, this "media elite" was predominantly white (95 percent), male (79 percent), college-educated (93 percent), and well paid. Four out of five had been raised in relatively affluent business or professional families.”

Aidric · 18-11-2018 10:18pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

"Driven by angelic recall, they plod on clay feet into the mire of three-dimensional reality. They do not know, are not conscious, that their appetites are infinitely greater than the world's capacity to satisfy them."

Angelic recall? fúck me that's some creative liberty right there. John sounds like he watched the matrix trilogy too many times while necking the hot whiskeys.

ToddyDoody · 18-11-2018 10:48pm

Just taking a look at the Wikipedia page. One bit that stands out:

"Electric Picnic 2010
Waters attended the Electric Picnic music festival in 2010 and wrote that he felt a sense of dissatisfaction with the event, concluding that there was a lack of meaning underpinning events at the festival.[27] Sunday Tribune journalist Una Mullally replied that if John Waters felt disconnected or out of place at the Electric Picnic, that it was because the country had changed, and continued "perhaps this is the first Irish generation who have purposely opted out of tormenting themselves by searching for some unattainable greater meaning and who have chosen instead just to live".

Probably biting off more than you can chew here.

Wheety · 19-11-2018 12:04am

Elemonator wrote: »

Just wipe your browser history, should clear up that block no problem.

Or just right click on link and open in incognito window.

Elemonator · 19-11-2018 2:24pm

Wheety wrote: »

Or just right click on link and open in incognito window.

Didn't think of that but good point. Thanks for that.

spacetweek · 19-11-2018 8:34pm

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Just taking a look at the Wikipedia page. One bit that stands out:

"Electric Picnic 2010
Waters attended the Electric Picnic music festival in 2010 and wrote that he felt a sense of dissatisfaction with the event, concluding that there was a lack of meaning underpinning events at the festival.[27] Sunday Tribune journalist Una Mullally replied that if John Waters felt disconnected or out of place at the Electric Picnic, that it was because the country had changed, and continued "perhaps this is the first Irish generation who have purposely opted out of tormenting themselves by searching for some unattainable greater meaning and who have chosen instead just to live".

Probably biting off more than you can chew here.

Una Mullaly is, or John Waters is? I agree with Una completely there.

I remember when JW went to EP and wrote about it. He came across as a complete fuddy-duddy.

kneemos · 19-11-2018 8:55pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The point I am making is that these great institutions promoting and celebrating diversity are some of the least diverse working environments In the country. It wasn’t enough that Waters was white and middle class, he committed the fatal sin of not conforming to the liberal group think as well.

There is an audience for opinions other than those of the urban, liberal, middle class elite in this country. Even if you remove one of those characteristics and replace it with another.

The Irish Times has lost over 40% of its readership in just 7 years.

Maybe more people don’t want to read the pontificating charlatans of the mould of Fintan O’ Toole spouting their social fashionista opinions.

Do non white middle class folk in Ireland have radically different life experiences and opinions?

SafeSurfer · 19-11-2018 9:22pm

kneemos wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The point I am making is that these great institutions promoting and celebrating diversity are some of the least diverse working environments In the country. It wasn’t enough that Waters was white and middle class, he committed the fatal sin of not conforming to the liberal group think as well.

There is an audience for opinions other than those of the urban, liberal, middle class elite in this country. Even if you remove one of those characteristics and replace it with another.

The Irish Times has lost over 40% of its readership in just 7 years.

Maybe more people don’t want to read the pontificating charlatans of the mould of Fintan O’ Toole spouting their social fashionista opinions.

Do non white middle class folk in Ireland have radically different life experiences and opinions?

Is that a serious question?

pumpkin4life · 19-11-2018 9:57pm

I don't agree with him on a lot of things, but the guy seems to be genuinely honest lad, who speaks the truth how he sees it, and does his own thing. Good for him.

He's done a lot of good work in relation to men's rights, which also deserves major respect.

Irish people hate people who do better than them, and are in general incredibly conformist people who hate those who stand out, and love being told what to do without thinking for themselves. Waters you can say, unlike Una Mullaly or Tintin, is not like that at all.

Zubeneschamali · 19-11-2018 10:25pm

I think having Waters championing men's rights probably set them back a few years.

SafeSurfer · 19-11-2018 11:16pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I think having Waters championing men's rights probably set them back a few years.

Why do you say that on the day that’s in it?

AndrewJRenko · 19-11-2018 11:18pm

pumpkin4life wrote: »

He's done a lot of good work in relation to men's rights, which also deserves major respect.

Did he actually achieve anything in relation to men's rights?

SafeSurfer · 19-11-2018 11:29pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Did he actually achieve anything in relation to men's rights?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/unmarried-fathers-to-be-given-more-rights-under-new-laws-30994819.html

AndrewJRenko · 19-11-2018 11:47pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/unmarried-fathers-to-be-given-more-rights-under-new-laws-30994819.html

And what was his role in this?

Zubeneschamali · 20-11-2018 6:58am

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Why do you say that on the day that’s in it?

Anti abortion, anti-gay rights, pro Catholic Church - he's only about 10 years older than me, but he sounds more like my Dad, born in the 1920s.

If you want a cause to be championed by a pre-Vatican II dinosaur who is out of touch with everything and spends what time he has in the public eye moaning about how those kids should get off his lawn, Waters is your man.

SafeSurfer · 20-11-2018 10:56am

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Why do you say that on the day that’s in it?

Anti abortion, anti-gay rights, pro Catholic Church - he's only about 10 years older than me, but he sounds more like my Dad, born in the 1920s.

If you want a cause to be championed by a pre-Vatican II dinosaur who is out of touch with everything and spends what time he has in the public eye moaning about how those kids should get off his lawn, Waters is your man.

You are basing your opinion on his work for fathers rights on your attitude to his opinion on other issues.
The opinions he holds are aligned to those of his faith, a post Vatican II Catholic Church.

It’s interesting that you describe him as a dinosaur and out of touch because he was opposed to abortion. One must remember the anti abortion beliefs of the majority of politicians including Simon Harris up to 2 years ago until their Pauline conversion.
So everyone whos opinions differ from yours is an out of touch dinosaur?

There are dozens of male journalists who have never used their platform to support any aspect of men’s rights but constantly rail against the patriarchy and champion any female friendly cause.

He highlighted the hypocrisy of politicians by rushing to claim credit for extending marriage rights to gay couples while consistently ignoring the plight of unmarried, separated and divorced fathers.

The plight of these fathers was completely ignored by the majority of social justice warrior journalists because they view anything which is pro man to be regressive, old fashioned and contrary to their narrow liberal feminist beliefs.

mariaalice · 20-11-2018 11:05am

Born in the wrong generation, I am reading an interesting book at the moment called The Circus Animals by James Plunkett it's not a great book or anything but it tries to capture the zeitgeist the tightening of the power of the Catholic church on Irish society versus the questioning that started in the 1960s, reading the book puts some of his ramblings and beliefs in to a context.

It a longing for rules and permanency and certainties.

ohnonotgmail · 20-11-2018 11:10am

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You are basing your opinion on his work for fathers rights on your attitude to his opinion on other issues.
The opinions he holds are aligned to those of his faith, a post Vatican II Catholic Church.

It’s interesting that you describe him as a dinosaur and out of touch because he was opposed to abortion. One must remember the anti abortion beliefs of the majority of politicians including Simon Harris up to 2 years ago until their Pauline conversion.
So everyone whos opinions differ from yours is an out of touch dinosaur?

There are dozens of male journalists who have never used their platform to support any aspect of men’s rights but constantly rail against the patriarchy and champion any female friendly cause.

He highlighted the hypocrisy of politicians by rushing to claim credit for extending marriage rights to gay couples while consistently ignoring the plight of unmarried, separated and divorced fathers.

The plight of these fathers was completely ignored by the majority of social justice warrior journalists because they view anything which is pro man to be regressive, old fashioned and contrary to their narrow liberal feminist beliefs.

How does opposing marriage rights for gay people help the plight of unmarried, separated and divorced fathers?

Zubeneschamali · 20-11-2018 11:51am

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You are basing your opinion on his work for fathers rights on your attitude to his opinion on other issues.

No, I did not say one word about his work on fathers rights. I am saying that having those out-of-touch opinions on other issues means everyone under 60 is going to sigh and roll their eyes when Waters says anything.

So no matter what you or I think of his attitude on fathers rights, he is a bad front man.

Zubeneschamali · 20-11-2018 12:05pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

How does opposing marriage rights for gay people help the plight of unmarried, separated and divorced fathers?

Let us not forget that some fathers are gay, so a right to SSM is a right for fathers.

But Waters doesn't care about those fathers, because he actually only cares about himself. His entire crusade is simply his own obsession with his ongoing quest for vengeance against the Great White Female that wounded him long ago.

[Legal disclaimer: he is not to be referred to as homophobic, his stated opinion that them lads will destroy the very fabric of Irish society is totally non-homophobic, legally speaking, for the purposes of slander and libel law.]

Gimme A Pound · 20-11-2018 12:17pm

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Irish people hate people who do better than them, and are in general incredibly conformist people who hate those who stand out, and love being told what to do without thinking for themselves. Waters you can say, unlike Una Mullaly or Tintin, is not like that at all.

Gonna buck the trend so and think for myself. Which Irish people? The thing with these wild claims about Irish people (made by Irish people

) is their crazy lack of nuance.
Why would people hate Waters because he has done better than them? Has he?

Isn't he the one yearning for people to be conformist?

pumpkin4life · 20-11-2018 1:06pm

Duke Obedient Patio wrote: »

Gonna buck the trend so and think for myself. Which Irish people? The thing with these wild claims about Irish people (made by Irish people ) is their crazy lack of nuance.
Why would people hate Waters because he has done better than them? Has he?

Isn't he the one yearning for people to be conformist?

The vast majority.

We have four political parties and some independents that are all the same variation of very left wing. Unlike most other countries, there isn't any political opposition to this. Try having any dissenting opinion in an office workplace. It won't go well for you.

People bitch about the Catholic Church and how it was in every part of Irish people's lives. That isn't true. It was that way because Irish people wanted it to be like that. We love being controlled and being told what to do. Just replace The Catholic Church with Progressivism and how wonderful the E.U is.

And Waters is clearly not being conformist. Otherwise he would be manhating like Una Mullally and comparing Donald Trump to Hitler like Tintin is for 100 grand a year.

Like Kevin Myers, I don't agree with him on very much, but you have to respect going against the grain like that.

JupiterKid · 20-11-2018 1:16pm

Waters had some useful things to say about 30 odd years ago. He now comes across as a bigoted old reactionary right wing curmudgeon. But I suppose he does stick to his beliefs, however blinkered they may be.

Being opposed to equal rights for LGBT people and women's reproductive health detracts hugely from his supposed work highlighting the lack of fathers' rights. The men's rights lobby in Ireland doesn't need John Waters as a spokesperson.

Also, Waters is not a young man any more...not by a long shot. He is still stuck in a 1980s/early 90s timewarp. He is also exactly 20 years my senior.

Zubeneschamali · 20-11-2018 1:22pm

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Like Kevin Myers, I don't agree with him on very much, but you have to respect going against the grain like that.

No, I don't.

Him and Myers have discovered that the more outrageous their columns get, the higher their profile gets. Going against the grain is not a brave move, it is just their brand.

Until one day they go too far and get fired.

Grayson · 20-11-2018 2:01pm

pumpkin4life wrote: »

The vast majority.

We have four political parties and some independents that are all the same variation of very left wing. Unlike most other countries, there isn't any political opposition to this. Try having any dissenting opinion in an office workplace. It won't go well for you.

People bitch about the Catholic Church and how it was in every part of Irish people's lives. That isn't true. It was that way because Irish people wanted it to be like that. We love being controlled and being told what to do. Just replace The Catholic Church with Progressivism and how wonderful the E.U is.

And Waters is clearly not being conformist. Otherwise he would be manhating like Una Mullally and comparing Donald Trump to Hitler like Tintin is for 100 grand a year.

Like Kevin Myers, I don't agree with him on very much, but you have to respect going against the grain like that.

You'd have to be pretty right wing to see FF & FG as left wing.

Also, the bolded bit. Lol.

SafeSurfer · 20-11-2018 2:15pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

How does opposing marriage rights for gay people help the plight of unmarried, separated and divorced fathers?

I said he claimed it was hypocritical for politicians to go for an easy win in extending marriage rights while failing to tackle the lack of rights of fathers.

Politicians were quick to use terms like fairness, decency, compassion, equality when campaigning for marriage equality while treating fathers who look for the same with contempt.

ohnonotgmail · 20-11-2018 2:17pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I said he claimed it was hypocritical for politicians to go for an easy win in extending marriage rights while failing to tackle the lack of rights of fathers.

Politicians were quick to use terms like fairness, decency, compassion, equality when campaigning for marriage equality while treating fathers who look for the same with contempt.

an easy win? go away and ****e.

goose2005 · 20-11-2018 2:19pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

A few snippets:

"She had a beauty that suggested itself as emanating from an infinity within. She seemed to believe anything was possible and her smile convinced you, for an instant, that she was right. I wanted her dreams to come true."

"I am crying, writing this. How can you cry for someone you've only once said hello to? Katy was the daughter of our dreams, in the sense that it was the dreams of her people that gave birth to what is tritely called her celebrity."

"Driven by angelic recall, they plod on clay feet into the mire of three-dimensional reality. They do not know, are not conscious, that their appetites are infinitely greater than the world's capacity to satisfy them."

"Kill everyone now! Condone first degree murder! Advocate cannibalism! Eat ****! Filth is my politics! Filth is my life!"

Grayson · 20-11-2018 2:19pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I said he claimed it was hypocritical for politicians to go for an easy win in extending marriage rights while failing to tackle the lack of rights of fathers.

Politicians were quick to use terms like fairness, decency, compassion, equality when campaigning for marriage equality while treating fathers who look for the same with contempt.

The guy is nuts. He said that the black and tans were preferable to the Yes campaigners.
https://gcn.ie/john-waters-compares-lgbt-campaigners-black-tans/

SafeSurfer · 20-11-2018 2:29pm

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

No, I don't.

Him and Myers have discovered that the more outrageous their columns get, the higher their profile gets. Going against the grain is not a brave move, it is just their brand.

Until one day they go too far and get fired.

It’s incredible that you label dissenting opinion expressed by journalists as some sort of artificial device of self promotion.

Were liberal, left wing journalists who expressed opinions a generation or two ago, which differed from the consensus at the time merely engaged in self promotion or were they strongly held beliefs that they expressed despite public opprobrium?

sbsquarepants · 20-11-2018 2:46pm

timthumbni wrote: »

That is not the John Waters I thought you were talking about.

The one I know thought eating dog **** would play well with the audience...

He's the sane one of the pair

Gimme A Pound · 21-11-2018 3:46pm

pumpkin4life wrote: »

The vast majority.

We have four political parties and some independents that are all the same variation of very left wing. Unlike most other countries, there isn't any political opposition to this. Try having any dissenting opinion in an office workplace. It won't go well for you.

People bitch about the Catholic Church and how it was in every part of Irish people's lives. That isn't true. It was that way because Irish people wanted it to be like that. We love being controlled and being told what to do. Just replace The Catholic Church with Progressivism and how wonderful the E.U is.

And Waters is clearly not being conformist. Otherwise he would be manhating like Una Mullally and comparing Donald Trump to Hitler like Tintin is for 100 grand a year.

Like Kevin Myers, I don't agree with him on very much, but you have to respect going against the grain like that.

"We" this and that. Speak for yourself dude. There is non stop complaining about authority in this country. Utterly non stop. Even a sense of indignation from people for simply being expected to pay for a service they use.

You said earlier that Irish people hate those who do well for themselves - surely we would be doffing our caps to them when we love to be subjugated so much... which is it?

Look how much trouble Britain's economy will be in without the EU. It's not without its flaws but Ireland's economy would be screwed without it. That's not lickspittling, it's just a fact.

FF and FG very left-wing? They are as centre as you could get.

I know what you mean about Waters going against the grain of the Una and Fintan dominated narrative but he just wants everyone to be conformist in the conservative sense. To be the things you listed above (like wanting to be controlled by the Catholic church). And he's as negative and finger-pointing as they are.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 21-11-2018 3:58pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Irish journalists are an almost completely homogeneous group. White, middle clas, with nice white middle class opinions.

This media has collaborated with the political class in this country, withholding information from the general public which could have changed the results of elections.

They do not perform the role of a proper fourth estate by holding the political class to account.

Anyone who fails to conform to the narrative is ostracized and labeled mad, extreme or dangerous.

Waters spent years trying to highlight the cause of fathers rights. But because the cause didn’t fit the narrow liberal agenda of opposition to anything that could be considered patriarchal he was condemned by the very colleagues who championed other social injustices.

He is many things but I thing he is less hypocritical than a certain high profile environmental journalist who regularly condemns meat eaters and commuters while driving a 3 litre 15 mile per gallon petrol Mercedes.

Has he left the country yet like he said he would if it was a Yes vote in the 8th amendment referendum?

I’d suggest he got nowhere on father’s rights because nobody took him seriously enough to listen. Whose fault is that? The movement needs more credible figureheads.

Thomyokk · 21-11-2018 4:02pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Gone mad?

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/dreams-die-with-death-of-katy-1.990174

Dunno I thought it was nice

He's prob the romantic type

monkeybutter · 21-11-2018 4:12pm

super_furry wrote: »

On a scale of one to crazy, John Waters fathered a child with Sinead O'Connor.

He's always been pushing the limit.

can you remember what mid 1980s/1990s sinead o'connor looked like?

I would

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 21-11-2018 4:23pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The point I am making is that these great institutions promoting and celebrating diversity are some of the least diverse working environments In the country. It wasn’t enough that Waters was white and middle class, he committed the fatal sin of not conforming to the liberal group think as well.

There is an audience for opinions other than those of the urban, liberal, middle class elite in this country. Even if you remove one of those characteristics and replace it with another.

The Irish Times has lost over 40% of its readership in just 7 years.

Maybe more people don’t want to read the pontificating charlatans of the mould of Fintan O’ Toole spouting their social fashionista opinions.

I get a bit fed up of reading on boards.ie that people who lean liberal can’t think for themselves and haven’t arrived at their views after having a good think about it.

Me personally, I watched a number of the marriage equality referendum debates with a genuinely open mind. I was really interested to hear about research, statistics, studies etc. that showed that it might not be the best idea to allow same sex marriage. I was interested in listening to the opinions of those who opposed same sex marriage. And, nothing, nothing that I heard convinced me. Nothing I heard stood up to logical scrutiny, to me at least. I used my noggin to arrive at the viewpoint that same-sex marriage was a good thing. And I can’t help that I think less of those who were unable to convince me.

I can’t help but feel a tad resentful that people on the liberal spectrum are presented as utterly bovine folks who didn’t arrive at their views after deep thought whilst those who don’t hold liberal viewpoints are presented as courageous free-thinkers railing against this cadre of a liberal elite who have us all in the palm of their hands.

Some people, no matter their views, are easily led. Liberals aren’t the only ones!

dublinman1990 · 21-11-2018 5:36pm

Someone was saying here that Fintan O'Toole was saying in his book that he viewed all pro Brexit voters as deranged. Well; John Waters himself is politically advocating for an Irish exit from the EU while being stringed along with the group's supposed leader Nigel Farage. You probably remember those meetings for Irexit that were held in the RDS in Dublin and reported by our media in recent months. There is even a thread made somewhere about Irexit on boards.ie. Would Fintan O'Toole actually say in front of John Water's face that he is deranged when they both write their own columns for the same newspaper?

ohnonotgmail · 21-11-2018 5:37pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Someone was saying here that Fintan O'Toole was saying in his book that he viewed all pro Brexit voters as deranged. Well; John Waters himself is politically advocating for an Irish exit from the EU while being stringed along with Nigel Farage. You probably remember those meetings for Irexit that were held in the RDS in Dublin and reported by our media in recent months. There is even a thread made somewhere about Irexit on boards.ie. Would Fintan O'Toole actually say in front of John Water's face that he is deranged when they both write their own columns for the same newspaper?

Waters doesn't write for the Times any more.

SafeSurfer · 21-11-2018 5:38pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Someone was saying here that Fintan O'Toole was saying in his book that he viewed all pro Brexit voters as deranged. Well; John Waters himself is politically advocating for an Irish exit from the EU while being stringed along with Nigel Farage. You probably remember those meetings for Irexit that were held in the RDS in Dublin and reported by our media in recent months. There is even a thread made somewhere about Irexit on boards.ie. Would Fintan O'Toole actually say in front of John Water's face that he is deranged when they both write their own columns for the same newspaper?

Waters doesn’t write for the Irish Times any more.

s7ryf3925pivug · 21-11-2018 11:20pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Someone was saying here that Fintan O'Toole was saying in his book that he viewed all pro Brexit voters as deranged. Well; John Waters himself is politically advocating for an Irish exit from the EU while being stringed along with the group's supposed leader Nigel Farage. You probably remember those meetings for Irexit that were held in the RDS in Dublin and reported by our media in recent months. There is even a thread made somewhere about Irexit on boards.ie. Would Fintan O'Toole actually say in front of John Water's face that he is deranged when they both write their own columns for the same newspaper?

That was me. O'Toole didn't describe them as deranged in the article. He described a mentality still rooted in WWII and with weird invasion fantasies, which I described as deranged.

Edit: I reread my post. I'd actually clarified in it that he didn't call them deranged.

tawnyowl · 02-11-2019 6:39pm

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

He promised to leave the country if Yes won.

Several times, if memory serves.

Despite all his protests about marriage laws he wasn't married to Sinea, or even in a long term relationship.

I am shocked, SHOCKED, that Waters is a hypocryte!!!:D:D:D

He wasn't actively loading when parked illegally and rather than accept a fine went to court.

He even thought at one stage that they'd forgotten about it.

tawnyowl · 03-11-2019 4:14am

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

I blame his Eurovision sojourn.

He was a sore-headed crank long, long before that.

Church on Tuesday · 03-11-2019 4:39pm

tawnyowl wrote: »

He was a sore-headed crank long, long before that.

Whatever about that, his commenting on depression as 'bull****' made me consign him fully to the gob****e category.

Raconteuse · 03-11-2019 4:49pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Whatever about that, his commenting on depression as 'bull****' made me consign him fully to the gob****e category.

Probably projection/denial from a man with mental health issues himself.

sbsquarepants · 05-11-2019 12:25pm

I take my hat off to anyone who can force themselves to read that fúcking drivel masquerading as a newspaper article, i got as far as the bit about Katy French being everyones daughter and i just couldn't go on any further.

John Waters is an insufferable gobshíte, always was, always will be - that's about all there is to say about the man!

Dyr · 05-11-2019 12:30pm

There was something about the 80s in Ireland that produced high octane pontificating spoofers like John Waters

redarmyblues · 23-04-2020 7:48am

Bambi wrote: »

There was something about the 80s in Ireland that produced high octane pontificating spoofers like John Waters

Back in the day he produced 600 words of Psueds Corner type verbiage with a vaguely rural Irish twist which for some reason the Irish Time seemed obliged to give space to. It was impossible to discern his world view but you would think he was a persuasive chancer who was eventually unmasked, the Eurovision fiasco being one turning point. Embittered he turned to the last refugee of any scoundrel and he had now a fully crystallised world view for the first time.

He wants to leave the EU and return to the embrace of Mother England by rejoining the UK . The various reasons
for this include his consulting various arcana to discover that this will lead to the reconversion of the British includeing NI prods to the one true faith. He also believes that things thought quintessentially Irish like GAA are English imports and vice versa and the need to import more English traditional practices in Ireland. You can read all about it in his New soon to be self published book Morris Dancing at the Crossroads.

23-04-2020 8:09am

super_furry wrote: »

On a scale of one to crazy, John Waters fathered a child with Sinead O'Connor.

He's always been pushing the limit.

It increasingly looks like,she was the sane one in that relationship

John Waters gone mad

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