Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

prawnsambo · 19-10-2020 11:02pm

thecomedian wrote: »

I was thinking the same. He is more than capable of making a balls of it.

Why would you close them? It makes zero sense.

I've seen contradictory statements on golf. One from an FF councillor (yeah, I know), but I'd wait until the GUI say something before getting too excited. Not looking good though.

Roger_007 · 19-10-2020 11:10pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

I've seen contradictory statements on golf. One from an FF councillor (yeah, I know), but I'd wait until the GUI say something before getting too excited. Not looking good though.

The fact that the GUI are making a statement at all means that it will be a decision of the GUI to either recommend that golf clubs close, or not, as the case may be.
It will then be up to each club to accept the GUI recommendations, or not.
I can see no legal way that golf clubs can be forced to close if they choose not to.
Unless there is new legislation passed, each club can make its own decision.

prawnsambo · 19-10-2020 11:18pm

Roger_007 wrote: »

The fact that the GUI are making a statement at all means that it will be a decision of the GUI to either recommend that golf clubs close, or not, as the case may be.
It will then be up to each club to accept the GUI recommendations, or not.
I can see no legal way that golf clubs can be forced to close if they choose not to.
Unless there is new legislation passed, each club can make its own decision.

If the governing body say you close, you close. Can't continue in the sport if you're expelled from the governing body for breach of rules.

However, this is the list I was talking about earlier that says golf stays open.

FixdePitchmark · 19-10-2020 11:19pm

Roger_007 wrote: »

The fact that the GUI are making a statement at all means that it will be a decision of the GUI to either recommend that golf clubs close, or not, as the case may be.
It will then be up to each club to accept the GUI recommendations, or not.
I can see no legal way that golf clubs can be forced to close if they choose not to.
Unless there is new legislation passed, each club can make its own decision.

Don't buy this. It would be pure madness for any club/GUI to go against the government. Will catch up with them in the end. Likes of golfgate a big factor.

Anyway - during last lockdown the road to our club was closed as a practical example .

If government says no golf - there will be no golf. All clubs get tax relief etc and are frequented by people within high enough profile jobs and state work.

Hoboo · 20-10-2020 12:40am

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Don't buy this. It would be pure madness for any club/GUI to go against the government. Will catch up with them in the end. Likes of golfgate a big factor.

Anyway - during last lockdown the road to our club was closed as a practical example .

If government says no golf - there will be no golf. All clubs get tax relief etc and are frequented by people within high enough profile jobs and state work.

I agree. It's akin to a hairdressers saying they're staying open when told they're not. The GUI will do as they're told, I just hope they don't take it upon themselves to act the martyr.

20-10-2020 12:41am

PARlance wrote: »

There's a good chance the bumbling eejit misspoke....

Isn't there.....

Please.

Certainly a chance:

https://twitter.com/JohnKennyMedia/status/1318329498761383938?s=20

DeanAustin · 20-10-2020 7:30am

Anyone who thinks there’s the remotest possibility of the GUI going against government advice is off their head. Could you imagine the PR fallout not to mention how the sport would suffer when it comes to funding and stuff.

This is a pain in the bollox and I don’t think there is much risk associated with golf but so be it. Government in a ****ty spot to be fair.

20-10-2020 8:06am

Kimora Gentle Zygote wrote: »

Certainly a chance:

https://twitter.com/JohnKennyMedia/status/1318329498761383938?s=20

That information published was told to be ignored by the GUI and that they would issue a statement today.

It doesn't look good :rolleyes:

PARlance · 20-10-2020 8:18am

Roger_007 wrote: »

The fact that the GUI are making a statement at all means that it will be a decision of the GUI to either recommend that golf clubs close, or not, as the case may be.
It will then be up to each club to accept the GUI recommendations, or not.
I can see no legal way that golf clubs can be forced to close if they choose not to.
Unless there is new legislation passed, each club can make its own decision.

The GUI won't be issuing a statement to advise Clubs to ignore Government advice.

The GUI were most likely caught on the hop by Ryan's comments and are almost certainly buying some time to get it clarified. I hold out plenty of hope that Ryan made a mess of his answer to the journalist. I think the GUI would have been consulted in advance if all golf was to cease at L5.

tbayers · 20-10-2020 8:46am

The bigger issue here is renewing memberships. Clubs will have to think long and hard to get people to sign back up. Charging 100% rate for 70-80% usage is crazy tbh. All other clubs are pausing memberships too, why are golf clubs different?

prawnsambo · 20-10-2020 8:48am

tbayers wrote: »

The bigger issue here is renewing memberships. Clubs will have to think long and hard to get people to sign back up. Charging 100% rate for 70-80% usage is crazy tbh. All other clubs are pausing memberships too, why are golf clubs different?

Probably because golf clubs require maintenance even when they're closed.

Hoboo · 20-10-2020 8:49am

DeanAustin wrote: »

This is a pain in the bollox and I don’t think there is much risk associated with golf but so be it. Government in a ****ty spot to be fair.

After all the county final Covid explosions they keep GAA going. Paddy Power tells them he wants horseracing kept going. After the first major study on Covid from Princeton and John Moore's shows kids are the largest superspreaders they keep the schools open.

Government are ****ting in their own bed and rolling in it.

prawnsambo · 20-10-2020 8:51am

Hoboo wrote: »

After all the county final Covid explosions they keep GAA going. Paddy Power tells them he wants horseracing kept going. After the first major study on Covid from Princeton and John Moore's shows kids are the largest superspreaders they keep the schools open.

Government are ****ting in their own bed and rolling in it.

Not casting doubt on those studies, but aren't they based solely on the US experience? We would have our own data which may not (and absolutely open to correction here) give the same results.

brick tamland · 20-10-2020 8:53am

tbayers wrote: »

The bigger issue here is renewing memberships. Clubs will have to think long and hard to get people to sign back up. Charging 100% rate for 70-80% usage is crazy tbh. All other clubs are pausing memberships too, why are golf clubs different?

You wonder about members who's club is outside of 5km or over county boundary's. That's bound to have an effect on peoples decision to renew or not next year as this is hardly going away before next summer.

DeanAustin · 20-10-2020 8:53am

PARlance wrote: »

The GUI won't be issuing a statement to advise Clubs to ignore Government advice.

The GUI were most likely caught on the hop by Ryan's comments and are almost certainly buying some time to get it clarified. I hold out plenty of hope that Ryan made a mess of his answer to the journalist. I think the GUI would have been consulted in advance if all golf was to cease at L5.

I hope you're right but doubt it. The government is having to address a lot of interests here as well as trying to get the lockdown organised. There are a million things that would be ahead of the GUI on the priorities list.

I hope Ryan misspoke but doubt it. He seemed fairly sure and wasn't corrected by Martin or Varadkar. Think we're screwed.

**** it, we're losing 6 weeks at a fairly ****ty time of year. I don't like it, I don't really think it's necessary but it's a fairly small sacrifice when you see what other people are going through.

First Up · 20-10-2020 8:54am

prawnsambo wrote:

Probably because golf clubs require maintenance even when they're closed.

At least the grass has just about stopped growing

prawnsambo · 20-10-2020 8:54am

From the GUI/ILGU

tbayers · 20-10-2020 9:06am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Probably because golf clubs require maintenance even when they're closed.

Even if they are on wage subsidy scheme?? I dunno, more can be done. Especially since most clubs (ones that I know of) have gained an awful lot of new members

GreeBo · 20-10-2020 9:11am

tbayers wrote: »

Even if they are on wage subsidy scheme?? I dunno, more can be done. Especially since most clubs (ones that I know of) have gained an awful lot of new members

The grass still needs to be cut, the bunkers still need to be maintained, hollow coring, verti-cutting, sanding, etc, etc all need to be done, subsidy scheme or not.

Otherwise the course you return to wont look like you left it.

xgronkjabv6pcl · 20-10-2020 9:14am

tbayers wrote: »

Even if they are on wage subsidy scheme?? I dunno, more can be done. Especially since most clubs (ones that I know of) have gained an awful lot of new members

It's a discussion that has been had before. Membership doesn't necessarily make up for the lost Bar/ProShop/Green Fee revenue that has been impacted since March/April.

You could make a case for a club reducing rates or adding an extra couple of months on to your renewal but I wouldn't be aggrieved if my course didnt offer it.

If you feel that your club should offer something like that then you should simply ask but I know it's not something I would request.

prawnsambo · 20-10-2020 9:16am

tbayers wrote: »

Even if they are on wage subsidy scheme?? I dunno, more can be done. Especially since most clubs (ones that I know of) have gained an awful lot of new members

I don't think the new members would outweigh the loss of income from three of the busiest months of the year for some golf clubs that depend on society bookings, visitor green fees and open competitions. Granted that this time of the year is not so busy, but it's also the time when some clubs would have introductory membership schemes running - like 15 months for the price of 12 etc.

Hoboo · 20-10-2020 9:16am

prawnsambo wrote: »

Not casting doubt on those studies, but aren't they based solely on the US experience? We would have our own data which may not (and absolutely open to correction here) give the same results.

No the study was performed in India not the US, and I agree with you as does the study, it may not be perfectly transferable to every country, but it's the only major peer reviewed and published paper concluded worldwide. I've yet to see an Irish peer reviewed study. We seem to be relying on test numbers and visual interpretation, amongst a group with a high number of asymptomatic carriers so therefore aren't being tested, which I find baffling.

I'm open to correction on everything I've said, just trying to garner information from reliable sources and studies, rather than moving on....... nothing to see here folks. I fully support government advice btw, this is just something I came across yesterday and seems to blow the kids arent spreaders theory to pieces.

Here's the paper. Only one but it's all we have so far.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/09/29/science.abd7672

Here is the media article.

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020/09/30/largest-covid-19-contact-tracing-study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence

gypsy79 · 20-10-2020 9:49am

Does Wednesday midnight mean tonight or Wednesday golf will be allowed??

Mantis Toboggan · 20-10-2020 9:52am

gypsy79 wrote: »

Does Wednesday midnight mean tonight or Wednesday golf will be allowed??

It's midnight on Wednesday which is Wednesday night...

Mushy · 20-10-2020 9:56am

So 00.00 tonight then?

xgronkjabv6pcl · 20-10-2020 9:58am

Mushy wrote: »

So 00.00 tonight then?

Restrictions will be in place approx 38 hours from now.

prawnsambo · 20-10-2020 10:02am

I'm a bit astounded by the inability to works out what time midnight on Wednesday is.

It's not a different time-zone lads.

rickis tache · 20-10-2020 10:08am

Joined a new club last Friday.
Leaving current club due to the lack of time slots since the last lockdown and the increase in member numbers. Current club is 7 km from house. New club is 15km but cost less than 50%.

Now I can go to neither ehen the restrictions of 5km return.
I work 20km from home in a medical device company that has confirmed cases of covid but continue to work as procedures are in place with to assist social distancing and health and safety along with the hse have said it is safe to continue.

The temptation of going to my current club is too much unless they stop me from putting my name on timesheet.

Hoboo · 20-10-2020 10:09am

If only we had a 24 hour clock instead of using vague old english terminology

gypsy79 · 20-10-2020 10:10am

rickis tache wrote: »

Joined a new club last Friday.
Leaving current club due to the lack of time slots since the last lockdown and the increase in member numbers. Current club is 7 km from house. New club is 15km but cost less than 50%.

Now I can go to neither ehen the restrictions of 5km return.
I work 20km from home in a medical device company that has confirmed cases of covid but continue to work as procedures are in place with to assist social distancing and health and safety along with the hse have said it is safe to continue.

The temptation of going to my current club is too much unless they stop me from putting my name on timesheet.

THe time sheet wont be open in either of them some will say!

Mushy · 20-10-2020 10:11am

prawnsambo wrote: »

I'm a bit astounded by the inability to works out what time midnight on Wednesday is.

It's not a different time-zone lads.

In fairness, 00.00 is midnight which is when Wednesday starts. I was being a bit obtuse, but it should be far clearer as to when they start

PARlance · 20-10-2020 10:23am

Jordy Fancy Relaxation wrote: »

Restrictions will be in place approx 38 hours from now.

It would be too dark to play anyway!

DeanAustin · 20-10-2020 10:29am

rickis tache wrote: »

Joined a new club last Friday.
Leaving current club due to the lack of time slots since the last lockdown and the increase in member numbers. Current club is 7 km from house. New club is 15km but cost less than 50%.

Now I can go to neither ehen the restrictions of 5km return.
I work 20km from home in a medical device company that has confirmed cases of covid but continue to work as procedures are in place with to assist social distancing and health and safety along with the hse have said it is safe to continue.

The temptation of going to my current club is too much unless they stop me from putting my name on timesheet.

And if clubs close, this might be one of the reasons behind it. Not that I'm condemning you. I'd do the same to be honest. I've played over the last few weeks with lads who have crossed county borders to play. Again, I don't judge them, I'd do the same.

Our timesheet was jammed at the weekend on both days. Absolutely jammed. And only 50% of the members reside in the county where the club is.

If the government aim is to restrict movement, you can understand why they'd close golf clubs even if golf itself is not a high risk activity.

IngazZagni · 20-10-2020 10:37am

prawnsambo wrote: »

I'm a bit astounded by the inability to works out what time midnight on Wednesday is.

It's not a different time-zone lads.

Technically midnight is the following day so I understand the confusion. Should have said 23:59 Wednesday night.

I'm booked in for a round tomorrow. Expecting it to be my last until December as it's more than 5k from me.

Irishdaywalker · 20-10-2020 10:47am

IF golf clubs are to remain open during this lockdown - I imagine it will return to casual golf only and back to 4 balls in 12/14 minute intervals.

with the lack of light you may find it hard to get out . . !

on a side note, if they close it will give golfers more time to get their head around the WHS and delay it's introduction.

Non solum non ambulabit · 20-10-2020 10:49am

DeanAustin wrote: »

And if clubs close, this might be one of the reasons behind it. Not that I'm condemning you. I'd do the same to be honest. I've played over the last few weeks with lads who have crossed county borders to play. Again, I don't judge them, I'd do the same.

Our timesheet was jammed at the weekend on both days. Absolutely jammed. And only 50% of the members reside in the county where the club is.

If the government aim is to restrict movement, you can understand why they'd close golf clubs even if golf itself is not a high risk activity.

My club has removed access to the BRS booking system for members outside the county but the timesheet is still rammed all weekend.

I'd be gutted if they close golf courses. It provides a great distraction for a few hours at the weekend.

Tescosfinest · 20-10-2020 10:51am

With the huge amount of new golfers due to this pandemic hopefully in a few years to come we have some golfers on the world stage again because as it stands we only really have Lowry

20-10-2020 11:04am

Tescosfinest wrote: »

With the huge amount of new golfers due to this pandemic hopefully in a few years to come we have some golfers on the world stage again because as it stands we only really have Lowry

We also have a World Number 5 and the Ryder Cup Captain to name a couple but lets not go down that road

Tescosfinest · 20-10-2020 11:07am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We also have a World Number 5 and the Ryder Cup Captain to name a couple but lets not go down that road

No, the moderates love that debate haha

DeanAustin · 20-10-2020 11:21am

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

My club has removed access to the BRS booking system for members outside the county but the timesheet is still rammed all weekend.

I'd be gutted if they close golf courses. It provides a great distraction for a few hours at the weekend.

I’ll be gutted myself and I won’t necessarily agree with it but I could understand the logic if they do it. It’s a **** situation but it’s **** for the whole country.

blue note · 20-10-2020 11:29am

My poor sister in laws boyfriend joined my club a few months ago because he was moving in with her and that club is nearby. So his address on the system is South Dublin, but he's actually living within the 5k. I wonder could his access to the booking system be blocked if the club enforce the 5k rule!

prawnsambo · 20-10-2020 11:32am

blue note wrote: »

My poor sister in laws boyfriend joined my club a few months ago because he was moving in with her and that club is nearby. So his address on the system is South Dublin, but he's actually living within the 5k. I wonder could his access to the booking system be blocked if the club enforce the 5k rule!

Ah, easy enough to fix that. Nobody's going to go all pointy pencil on that one. Just change the address on the system. Happens all the time.

DuckSlice · 20-10-2020 11:35am

I have reserved a net in Argos thinking the courses will close. but it wont be available until Thursday so argos will probably be closed by then

Tescosfinest · 20-10-2020 11:35am

Can anyone recommend any lockdown purchases that helped your game from the last lockdown?

20-10-2020 11:40am

Mushy wrote: »

In fairness, 00.00 is midnight which is when Wednesday starts. I was being a bit obtuse, but it should be far clearer as to when they start

Technically when the clock strikes midnight tonight its officially Wednesday.

Rippeditup · 20-10-2020 11:43am

etxp wrote: »

I have reserved a net in Argos thinking the courses will close. but it wont be available until Thursday so argos will probably be closed by then

Click and collect will be ok as it was in March..

Rippeditup · 20-10-2020 11:44am

Tescosfinest wrote: »

Can anyone recommend any lockdown purchases that helped your game from the last lockdown?

24 bottles of good red wine helped with it

I got a planeswing and love it as I have tendancy to get inside so drill it a lot, also heavy club and impact bag.. also fit for golf subscription

GreeBo · 20-10-2020 1:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Technically when the clock strikes midnight tonight its officially Wednesday.

Its Wednesday, but its not midnight Wednesday, its Wednesday morning.

Snotty · 20-10-2020 1:27pm

I'm guessing the lack of a statement on this means its still be decided or argued, really hope the GUI dig their heels in with Sporting Ireland and i think they have a good argument when Inter-county is allow to continue then a sport made for social distancing like golf is certainly less risky.

AOH77A · 20-10-2020 1:29pm

Let's hope you are correct.

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