Dublin - BusConnects

yascaoimhin · 15-10-2020 12:10pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

To answer this question posted in the Metrolink thread, at the moment the only infrastructure planned is on the radial routes to/from the city centre.

Any infrastructure on the orbital routes will follow after the radial routes are completed.

To be fair some of the roads served by the planned outer orbital routes do already have some bus priority measures in place, but on many of the inner routes, the notion of continuous bus lanes is fanciful to say the least given the lack of available space.

While the delivery of the additional orbital routes is long overdue, I’d have serious concerns about how effective the likes of the O, S2 and S4 can be if they’re likely to be snarled up in the diverted traffic from the radial corridors, given that those routes are significantly down the pecking order for bus priority infrastructure.

At a meeting with Engineers Ireland last year, the Bus Connects team said that once planning for the Radial Corridors is complete the Orbital corridors will begin design.

Obviously there's sections fo road that cant fit bus, bike and car lanes, in which case bikes and buses will be prioritised.

LXFlyer · 15-10-2020 12:29pm

yascaoimhin wrote: »

At a meeting with Engineers Ireland last year, the Bus Connects team said that once planning for the Radial Corridors is complete the Orbital corridors will begin design.

Obviously there's sections fo road that cant fit bus, bike and car lanes, in which case bikes and buses will be prioritised.

I know that - I was there too.

The relevant point to the person that I was responding to is that the orbital infrastructure works will not take place until significantly after the introduction of the revised network.

Some of the inner routes are to operate along roads which will see general traffic from the radials diverted onto due to one way systems etc. and I referenced three above. The planners did concur with that issue at the meeting.

That’s going to make priority for the inner orbital routes difficult to deliver.

Heartbreak Hank · 04-11-2020 3:12pm

Anyone any hot takes on this?

https://busconnects.ie/initiatives/core-bus-corridor/

cgcsb · 04-11-2020 3:44pm

Haven't a chance to fully review yet. Seems almost identical to the previous iteration, biggest difference is the Leeson St bus Gate, there seems to be a more pedestrian/orientated solution in Stoneybatter with busgates now at both ends and they seem to have flip flopped on making Brunswick St Cyclist only at the Stoneybatter end, seems to encourage drivers to use this as a route to Stoneybatter coming from the south. Not sure what I make of it overall, will update later.

Edit:
-Continuous bike lanes through Thomas St with bus priority signals replacing a bus lane.

The most concerning part of the scheme is that we have no site on the 2 most important parts:
1)Enforcement of the proposed and existing bus priority measures and
2)Integrated ticketing.

Without these 2 key things the whole scheme kind of unravels.

Seth Brundle · 04-11-2020 4:13pm

I note that the Irish Times headline is followed with the tagline of "Project would entail cutting of some 3,000 trees and be completed by 2027" :rolleyes:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/busconnects-final-plans-for-16-dublin-bus-corridors-published-1.4400026

Pete_Cavan · 04-11-2020 8:53pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I note that the Irish Times headline is followed with the tagline of "Project would entail cutting of some 3,000 trees and be completed by 2027" :rolleyes:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/busconnects-final-plans-for-16-dublin-bus-corridors-published-1.4400026

The Irish Times is such a ****sturring rag sometimes, finds the negative in anything that progresses Dublin into a modern European capital. Always pushing the NIMBY, anti any building over four storeys, "I'm well set up in my suburban semi-d and I drive everywhere so leave Dublin as it is" attitude.

cgcsb · 04-11-2020 10:35pm

RTÉ went with same headline. Their report hardly mentioned anything about the project other than tree cutting and front gardens, no mention of journey time or frequency improvements. No mention of improved safety. They had Dublin Cycling Campaign on complaining that the design at junctions appears less than ideal, perhaps because the designs don't show at this level separate signaling for protected cycle lanes. If it were rural or suburban road project they'd have the party poppers out and Dublin Cycling campaign wouldn't be asked for comment.

Zebra3 · 04-11-2020 10:52pm

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

The Irish Times is such a ****sturring rag sometimes, finds the negative in anything that progresses Dublin into a modern European capital. Always pushing the NIMBY, anti any building over four storeys, "I'm well set up in my suburban semi-d and I drive everywhere so leave Dublin as it is" attitude.

Agree but it's not really **** stirring, it's playing to their audience.

Seth Brundle · 04-11-2020 11:06pm

RTÉ article (good to see them to demonstrate the cars turning left ignoring the cyclists who had priority)...
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1324054884367388672?s=19

cgcsb · 04-11-2020 11:10pm

I'd also add there seems to have been a significant increase in dependence on bus priority signals to make shared sections work. These type of things depend on a rigorous enforcement regime in other countries, just hope that the same happens here. The existing bus gates don't inspire much confidence.

loyatemu · 05-11-2020 12:07pm

cgcsb wrote: »

I'd also add there seems to have been a significant increase in dependence on bus priority signals to make shared sections work. These type of things depend on a rigorous enforcement regime in other countries, just hope that the same happens here. The existing bus gates don't inspire much confidence.

personally I don't see how these can work well if traffic is heavy.
Will there be yellow boxes painted on the shared sections?

riddlinrussell · 05-11-2020 12:13pm

loyatemu wrote: »

personally I don't see how these can work well if traffic is heavy.
Will there be yellow boxes painted on the shared sections?

The reliance on bus gates and bus priority seems to imply that either the NTA are relatively confident of getting the laws on enforcement changed, or they are away with the fairies about the idea of people obeying the restrictions.

cgcsb · 05-11-2020 1:45pm

riddlinrussell wrote: »

The reliance on bus gates and bus priority seems to imply that either the NTA are relatively confident of getting the laws on enforcement changed, or they are away with the fairies about the idea of people obeying the restrictions.

I would hope they've had a look at the existing bus gates at College Green and Bachelors walk and the answer is the former, but don't know.

cgcsb · 05-11-2020 1:50pm

loyatemu wrote: »

personally I don't see how these can work well if traffic is heavy.
Will there be yellow boxes painted on the shared sections?

Yellow box for the first few metres then a general traffic lane as attached pic. Obviously yellow boxes aren't much noticed in this country so yeah it comes back to enforcement. If indeed these measures are enforced then expect car commuters complaining no end that their journey is taking twice as long as a similar bus journey.

loyatemu · 05-11-2020 2:34pm

cgcsb wrote: »

Yellow box for the first few metres then a general traffic lane as attached pic. Obviously yellow boxes aren't much noticed in this country so yeah it comes back to enforcement. If indeed these measures are enforced then expect car commuters complaining no end that their journey is taking twice as long as a similar bus journey.

even if the yellow box is kept clear, there's not much point giving the bus priority if it's driving into the back of a solid line of traffic on the single-lane section.

cgcsb · 05-11-2020 2:53pm

loyatemu wrote: »

even if the yellow box is kept clear, there's not much point giving the bus priority if it's driving into the back of a solid line of traffic on the single-lane section.

well there is still a point because it's better than just hoping that cars will let the bus merge in and I presume the traffic light system is smart enough that it attempts to clear the shared section when a bus arrives.

loyatemu · 05-11-2020 2:58pm

cgcsb wrote: »

well there is still a point because it's better than just hoping that cars will let the bus merge in and I presume the traffic light system is smart enough that it attempts to clear the shared section when a bus arrives.

clear it where, into the next jammed up section? There will be buses arriving every couple of minutes on the main corridors.

Sam Russell · 06-11-2020 9:36am

loyatemu wrote: »

even if the yellow box is kept clear, there's not much point giving the bus priority if it's driving into the back of a solid line of traffic on the single-lane section.

I think it would be useful if the bus always had priority in that cars must always give way to buses pulling out. Enforcement might be an issue, but that is true for bus lanes anyway. Enforcement cameras on buses is the way to go - buses already have internet access.

06-11-2020 10:43am

https://busconnects.ie/media/2096/10-tallaght-to-terenure-preferred-route-301020fa-web.pdf

Could someone explain what inbound cyclists are meant to do under this scheme? They seem to be thrown under a bus (figuratively and literally) for much of it

donvito99 · 06-11-2020 11:02am

Deleted User wrote: »

https://busconnects.ie/media/2096/10-tallaght-to-terenure-preferred-route-301020fa-web.pdf

Could someone explain what inbound cyclists are meant to do under this scheme? They seem to be thrown under a bus (figuratively and literally) for much of it

The only improvement is the widening of Templeogue Rd west of Templeogue village and the bus gate at Terenure. Otherwise your average commuter cyclist won't touch the proposed meandering, stop/start cycle paths.

cgcsb · 06-11-2020 11:30am

Deleted User wrote: »

https://busconnects.ie/media/2096/10-tallaght-to-terenure-preferred-route-301020fa-web.pdf

Could someone explain what inbound cyclists are meant to do under this scheme? They seem to be thrown under a bus (figuratively and literally) for much of it

Basically this:

spacetweek · 06-11-2020 7:30pm

SDCC just emailed us to tell us about the launch of third round of public consultation on BusConnects in our area. Planning on submitting to ABP in Q1 2021.

Facepalm.

Here's my feedback. Will you just build it already!!

Qrt · 06-11-2020 11:13pm

I'm completely at a loss trying to think why they have a great, proper Dutch-style junction at the Drumcondra/Griffith Avenue junction, a CYCLOPS junction in Clondalkin, and then deathtraps for the rest of the junction? Surely they should have just stuck with the one design?

riddlinrussell · 07-11-2020 1:03pm

Qrt wrote: »

I'm completely at a loss trying to think why they have a great, proper Dutch-style junction at the Drumcondra/Griffith Avenue junction, a CYCLOPS junction in Clondalkin, and then deathtraps for the rest of the junction? Surely they should have just stuck with the one design?

It feels like they got complaints about those specific ones, took the feedback on board and fixed them, and called it a day without re-examining the rest of the scheme

trellheim · 07-11-2020 1:29pm

Another consultation with no notification to me or our residents group ( over 100 houses ) and there's huge changes not 100m from my house.

Anyone taking a court case will win hands-down .

So far the sum total in our door has been 1 glossy brochure with the wrong bus route in it .

CatInABox · 07-11-2020 1:34pm

trellheim wrote: »

Anyone taking a court case will win hands-down .

I doubt it, to be honest. Throughout all of this years long process, there has been countless adverts online, on bus shelters and billboards all over the city, on the radio and on TV. The idea that they have to hold your hand at every step of the process, saying soothing things to you, is utterly, utterly ridiculous.

jd · 07-11-2020 1:46pm

riddlinrussell wrote: »

It feels like they got complaints about those specific ones, took the feedback on board and fixed them, and called it a day without re-examining the rest of the scheme

Different engineering companies worked on different routes, I think. I know cycling advocates made specific proposals re the Griffith Road junctions at Drumcondra and Mobhi Rd.

Peregrine · 07-11-2020 1:50pm

trellheim wrote: »

Another consultation with no notification to me or our residents group ( over 100 houses ) and there's huge changes not 100m from my house.

Anyone taking a court case will win hands-down .

So far the sum total in our door has been 1 glossy brochure with the wrong bus route in it .

The case will be thrown out. What would they be taking a court case against? Road layout changes near their house? On what grounds?

The NTA will argue that, on top of the statutory consultation required during the planning approval phase (which we haven't got to yet), they carried out three non-statutory consultations which were widely advertised online and in the media and that they held community forums with residents organisations all around Dublin. They will argue that one residents organisation out of hundreds not feeling consulted during a non-statutory public consultation isn't grounds for a court case.

Pete_Cavan · 07-11-2020 2:25pm

Peregrine wrote: »

They will argue that one residents organisation out of hundreds not feeling consulted during a non-statutory public consultation isn't grounds for a court case.

And they'd be right.

If their argument is that none of these one hundred households realised what is going on despite the huge advertising and attention which all of the multiple consultations have received and therefore it should be scrapped, they haven't a hope.

Dats me · 07-11-2020 2:34pm

Peregrine wrote: »

The case will be thrown out. What would they be taking a court case against? Road layout changes near their house? On what grounds?

The NTA will argue that, on top of the statutory consultation required during the planning approval phase (which we haven't got to yet), they carried out three non-statutory consultations which were widely advertised online and in the media and that they held community forums with residents organisations all around Dublin. They will argue that one residents organisation out of hundreds not feeling consulted during a non-statutory public consultation is isn't grounds for a court case.

They've engaged over and over again with people involved in any CPO. Roads are public space, you don't own it because you live nearby. They've been consulting for three years on this and it's going to ABP for statutory consultation. People who think they've a right to veto any project because they happen to own a house somewhere nearby need to get in the bin.

People who are actually interested in making it work and be constructive literally could not have missed this project.

MJohnston · 07-11-2020 2:36pm

trellheim wrote: »

Another consultation with no notification to me or our residents group ( over 100 houses ) and there's huge changes not 100m from my house.

Anyone taking a court case will win hands-down .

So far the sum total in our door has been 1 glossy brochure with the wrong bus route in it .

This is a detestable attitude, absolutely horrific. There have been several dozen consultations at this point, and all of them well signalled in advance. Anyone not aware of them is to blame here, not the NTA.

Get over yourself, your residents group has no more right to early consultation access than any of the non-egotistical, non-power-hungry residents who you deign to speak for.

JohnC. · 07-11-2020 4:18pm

If your residents association was not aware of what's happening in the area despite it being well known to others, perhaps it is them you should have a grievance with.

LXFlyer · 07-11-2020 4:42pm

trellheim wrote: »

Another consultation with no notification to me or our residents group ( over 100 houses ) and there's huge changes not 100m from my house.

Anyone taking a court case will win hands-down .

So far the sum total in our door has been 1 glossy brochure with the wrong bus route in it .

With due respect, this whole process has got massive coverage throughout in the print and broadcast media with every consultation getting a large amount of coverage, also on social media, and has been discussed to death here.

Are you and your fellow residents incapable of reading the material online like the rest of us and making a submission?

As other people have mentioned, this is a non-statutory consultation, so forget any court cases.

trellheim · 07-11-2020 6:48pm

If their argument is that none of these one hundred households realised what is going on despite the huge advertising

what huge advertising ? Like I said, no publicity or consultation beyond the wrong flyer in the door. You seem to think I am pulling your leg. Do you not see a bit of an echo chamber in here, this forum tends to be well-informed and I personally don't keep up with this thread.

And you might be right - it might be thrown out, but there's plenty of politicians to take up the cause too because normally they're all over this stuff so I guess they weren't told either.

LXFlyer · 07-11-2020 7:06pm

trellheim wrote: »

what huge advertising ? Like I said, no publicity or consultation beyond the wrong flyer in the door. You seem to think I am pulling your leg. Do you not see a bit of an echo chamber in here, this forum tends to be well-informed and I personally don't keep up with this thread.

And you might be right - it might be thrown out, but there's plenty of politicians to take up the cause too because normally they're all over this stuff so I guess they weren't told either.

Come off it.

There were ads on the sides of buses, ads in newspapers, and ads on bus shelters.

This has featured on the front pages of print media, and every consultation was covered by broadcast and online media.

Local politicians across the city have been consulted at every stage, and national politicians interrogated the NTA at the Oireachtas Transport Committee.

Perhaps all that travel that you used to do meant that it slipped past you? I cannot see how you could have missed it otherwise.

The days of being spoonfed everything are long gone.

This latest consultation was launched last week, and featured on TV and radio news, and all the national newspapers. What more do you want?

You have the same chance now as everyone else to respond to the consultation online - it is open until December 16th. Rather than moaning incoherently, read the documents and respond to the consultation.

donvito99 · 07-11-2020 7:09pm

trellheim wrote: »

what huge advertising ? Like I said, no publicity or consultation beyond the wrong flyer in the door. You seem to think I am pulling your leg. Do you not see a bit of an echo chamber in here, this forum tends to be well-informed and I personally don't keep up with this thread.

How does 3 non-statutory public consultations, flyers, radio ads, ads on actual bus stops = "no publicity or consultation"?

I attended a Bus Connects consultation where residents claimed that they hadn't been consulted.... was that you?

And you might be right - it might be thrown out, but there's plenty of politicians to take up the cause too because normally they're all over this stuff so I guess they weren't told either.

Ireland is flush with hoor local and national politicians - responsible for the appalling infrastructure Bus Connects is trying to remediate - so you're not wrong there.

Peregrine · 08-11-2020 11:47am

trellheim wrote: »

And you might be right - it might be thrown out, but there's plenty of politicians to take up the cause too because normally they're all over this stuff so I guess they weren't told either.

You guess incorrectly. There was an online presentation and Q&A session with all local TDs and councillors on the day of the launch on top of the media launch event.

Not seeing many of them take up the cause.

trellheim · 08-11-2020 2:02pm

You guess incorrectly. There was an online presentation and Q&A session with all local TDs and councillors on the day of the launch on top of the media launch event.

Please provide a link for this and with which councillors and TDs turned up/were invited. When did it happen ? I follow all my locals and not one of them have heard a peep of this.

As for LXFlyer - there has been no news about this consultation; I read the IT daily, RTE news more or less constantly. There has been

1. No local marketing
2. No national press I can see
3. Nothing on the sides of buses
4. Nothing in our doors except the wrong flyer

I've asked a random selection of neighbours and out of 10

8 out of 10 - no idea ( some said yes we got the flyer but it wasnt our area so binned it)

1 out of 10 "taking gardens off harold's cross residents isn't it ? "

1 out of 10 "they're stopping the 46a isn't it".

you may not like the evidence or believe I am trolling but get a hold of yourselves thats on the ground . This project has been start to finish poor consultation.

In direct opposite Irish Rail came and did a project a while back, residents fully consulted, mail and in-person where needed *locally* , politicians on board, requested changes taken on board in some cases , done, dusted and everything the better for it.

So it is possible for transport providers to do good consultation and for better things to happen.

The ONLY place I have seen this consultation is on this forum.

LXFlyer · 08-11-2020 2:24pm

trellheim wrote: »

Please provide a link for this and with which councillors and TDs turned up/were invited. When did it happen ? I follow all my locals and not one of them have heard a peep of this.

As for LXFlyer - there has been no news about this consultation; I read the IT daily, RTE news more or less constantly. There has been

1. No local marketing
2. No national press I can see
3. Nothing on the sides of buses
4. Nothing in our doors except the wrong flyer

I've asked a random selection of neighbours and out of 10

8 out of 10 - no idea ( some said yes we got the flyer but it wasnt our area so binned it)

1 out of 10 "taking gardens off harold's cross residents isn't it ? "

1 out of 10 "they're stopping the 46a isn't it".

you may not like the evidence or believe I am trolling but get a hold of yourselves thats on the ground . This project has been start to finish poor consultation.

In direct opposite Irish Rail came and did a project a while back, residents fully consulted, mail and in-person where needed *locally* , politicians on board, requested changes taken on board in some cases , done, dusted and everything the better for it.

So it is possible for transport providers to do good consultation and for better things to happen.

The ONLY place I have seen this consultation is on this forum.

Well you asked. Here you go:

It was on the Six:One News and the Nine O'Clock news on RTE last Wednesday.

The RTE News report is here which includes the news report: https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1103/1175785-dublin-bus-corridor/

It featured on RTE Radio 1 news bulletins on that day too.

Print and Online Media:

Irish Times:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/updated-busconnects-plans-to-be-published-ahead-of-consultation-1.4399315

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/busconnects-final-plans-for-16-dublin-bus-corridors-published-1.4400026

Irish Independent:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/public-to-review-controversial-bus-connects-plan-for-230km-of-bus-lanes-and-200km-of-cycle-lanes-across-the-city-39702082.html

Herald: https://m.herald.ie/news/public-getting-virtual-say-in-bus-connects-plans-39704044.html

Journal: https://www.thejournal.ie/busconnects-public-consultation-16-core-corridors-5254833-Nov2020/

So, definitely no publicity. Please stop this nonsense. You just didn't hear it or read any of the published news stories and are blaming everyone else but yourself, as you did before with the revised network consultations.

Look, you now know that there is an online consultation on busconnects.ie here:

https://busconnects.ie/initiatives/core-bus-corridor/

Instead of digging a massive hole for yourself, just go and read up on it like the rest of us and make a submission.

There certainly have been advertisements over the past couple of years on bus shelters and on the sides of buses highlighting the project. Again, you just didn't notice them.

Incidentally, the final revised network was published in September and received similar coverage. The plans are here:

https://busconnects.ie/initiatives/new-dublin-area-bus-network/

As for the councillors, here's a link to Joe Costello as an example:
https://twitter.com/JoeCostelloIE/status/1323993470625861632

Peregrine · 08-11-2020 2:38pm

trellheim wrote: »

Please provide a link for this and with which councillors and TDs turned up/were invited. When did it happen ? I follow all my locals and not one of them have heard a peep of this.

Jesus Christ, it's not a conspiracy. Local councillors, TDs and Senators in the five relevant local authorities were invited. It was on Wednesday afternoon at 2pm. They were notified last Friday. Whether your local reps turned up or not is for you to find out.

https://twitter.com/AlanFarrell/status/1323991753482031105?s=20

https://twitter.com/JoeCostelloIE/status/1323993470625861632?s=20

https://twitter.com/SeeryKearney/status/1324010048570482689?s=20

trellheim wrote: »

As for LXFlyer - there has been no news about this consultation; I read the IT daily, RTE news more or less constantly. There has been

1. No local marketing
2. No national press I can see
3. Nothing on the sides of buses
4. Nothing in our doors except the wrong flyer

...

The ONLY place I have seen this consultation is on this forum.

National news articles:

NTA bus plan set for third round of public consultation
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1103/1175785-dublin-bus-corridor/

Updated BusConnects plans to be published ahead of consultation
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/updated-busconnects-plans-to-be-published-ahead-of-consultation-1.4399315

BusConnects: Final plans for 16 Dublin bus corridors published
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/busconnects-final-plans-for-16-dublin-bus-corridors-published-1.4400026

Public to review controversial Bus Connects plan for 230km of bus lanes and 200km of cycle lanes across the city
https://independent.ie/irish-news/public-to-review-controversial-bus-connects-plan-for-230km-of-bus-lanes-and-200km-of-cycle-lanes-across-the-city-39702082.html

NTA launches fresh round of public consultation on BusConnects corridors
https://www.thejournal.ie/busconnects-public-consultation-16-core-corridors-5254833-Nov2020/

RTE Six One news:
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1324054884367388672?s=20

Local:

Public to have their say on city’s new bus corridors
https://dublinpeople.com/news/uncategorized/articles/2020/11/04/public-to-have-their-say-on-citys-new-bus-corridors/

Public getting virtual say in Bus Connects plans
https://herald.ie/news/public-getting-virtual-say-in-bus-connects-plans-39704044.html

Public Can Have Their Say On Bus Connects Plan Once Again
https://www.98fm.com/news/public-can-have-their-say-on-bus-connects-plan-once-again-1100526

CatInABox · 08-11-2020 2:54pm

There's been TV and radio, newspaper and magazine, billboards and bus shelter adverts.

The government was actually criticised for spending so much money on such an extensive campaign.

Here's a TV ad for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPqkeou-Zpo

To be honest, you only need to look at the number of submissions that they've received to know how successful they've been at getting knowledge out about this. They've had tens of thousands of individual submissions.

It is very safe to say that this project is the most consulted upon project in the history of the state, and it shows. TDs and councillors alike have commended the NTA on it, particularly on the fact that they've taken on board all criticism and issues raised, and either fixed the issue or explained why it has to be this way.

If your association, councillors or TD is saying that they knew nothing about it, then the problem isn't with the NTA, it's with the person you've chosen to represent you.

Seth Brundle · 08-11-2020 7:33pm

Peregrine wrote: »

Jesus Christ, it's not a conspiracy. Local councillors, TDs and Senators in the five relevant local authorities were invited. It was on Wednesday afternoon at 2pm. They were notified last Friday. Whether your local reps turned up or not is for you to find out.

https://twitter.com/AlanFarrell/status/1323991753482031105?s=20

https://twitter.com/JoeCostelloIE/status/1323993470625861632?s=20

https://twitter.com/SeeryKearney/status/1324010048570482689?s=20

National news articles:

NTA bus plan set for third round of public consultation
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1103/1175785-dublin-bus-corridor/

Updated BusConnects plans to be published ahead of consultation
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/updated-busconnects-plans-to-be-published-ahead-of-consultation-1.4399315

BusConnects: Final plans for 16 Dublin bus corridors published
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/busconnects-final-plans-for-16-dublin-bus-corridors-published-1.4400026

Public to review controversial Bus Connects plan for 230km of bus lanes and 200km of cycle lanes across the city
https://independent.ie/irish-news/public-to-review-controversial-bus-connects-plan-for-230km-of-bus-lanes-and-200km-of-cycle-lanes-across-the-city-39702082.html

NTA launches fresh round of public consultation on BusConnects corridors
https://www.thejournal.ie/busconnects-public-consultation-16-core-corridors-5254833-Nov2020/

RTE Six One news:
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1324054884367388672?s=20

Local:

Public to have their say on city’s new bus corridors
https://dublinpeople.com/news/uncategorized/articles/2020/11/04/public-to-have-their-say-on-citys-new-bus-corridors/

Public getting virtual say in Bus Connects plans
https://herald.ie/news/public-getting-virtual-say-in-bus-connects-plans-39704044.html

Public Can Have Their Say On Bus Connects Plan Once Again
https://www.98fm.com/news/public-can-have-their-say-on-bus-connects-plan-once-again-1100526

trellheim wrote: »

I follow all my locals and not one of them have heard a peep of this.

Now I’m confused :pac:

dublinman1990 · 09-11-2020 5:59am

There was an EcoEye programme about BusConnects repeated on RTÉ One with Duncan Stewart recently, literally shown a few weeks ago as he was profiling it as a national project. There also have been ads on BusConnects placed inside buses as well as outside being displayed as T-side adverts run by Dublin Bus & Go-Ahead Ireland over the years since the plan went into it's 1st consultation by the NTA.

It has been a huge project for the city of Dublin to take part since the establishment of the project.

I cannot really believe that a small amount of people living in Dublin have literally ''not'' been consulted on the plans since the latest consultation on the core bus corridors (the new name being used for the revamped QBC's) were launched since last Wednesday. All of the consultations on this plan up to now have been officially been made public since it was launched by the NTA & Jarrett Walker in 2018.

I myself have actually submitted an online form for the Bus livery survey before the plan was launched in Dublin & two online forms on the bus network redesign project focusing on my area of Blackrock in that time. I did take a good bit of my time to make a submissions on them.

It really is a fascinating project to take part in once you get the notification for it to join in a public consultation for your area.

Obviously because Covid-19 is currently making a devastating impact across the globe this year; all levels of the communications with members of the public including community associations, disability groups & public representatives for this new CBC public consultation plans for Dublin are taking place via online consultation rooms which are available on BusConnects.ie. They have these plans displayed in specific consultation rooms online which make them look like they are from your own locality. They have them personalised so that it covers your own CBC project for your local area. I have been in 2 of them so far for the Blackrock to Merrion Corridor & the Bray to City Centre corridor. I think each one has their own local authority displaying their own logo once you enter the link to the virtual room that you are visiting for your area. It has a good amount of material for you to look at when you enter it.

They have links for the actual document for your area including supporting documents which include the urban realm documents which cover all of the new tree plantings in those corridors. They have 2 very brief youtube videos on what is included in the CBC's themselves like the bus controlled priority signalling simulation & the bus gate proposal simulation. These videos show us how those plans once they get implemented from the public consultation that are concluded. Again; these are just proposals but those 2 things shown on Youtube are really critical components of the project to make it a success in our own capital city of Dublin & in other cities around the country if & when they're needed.

If your own local community association missed out big time on a big project like this one; I don't know what to say to you as a comforting reply. There literally has been a huge truckload of verbal & written communication taking place between the NTA & members of the public over this project in Dublin over the last 2 years. That level of communication has been monumental to date for a project of this size & scale.

It will now get spread to other cities now, as it's currently the case in Galway & with a new project being prepared for Cork, the project is giving out more official attention to members of the public who live outside the city of Dublin. Let me ask you this question Trellheim; are you making an assumption that you & your community association may have possibly missed out on a critical part of your area that was being reworked on since the last consultation had finished this year? From an ideal perspective; you would have to tell us which area of Dublin being highlighted from your local CBC plan for us to get any sense of your issue.

Pete_Cavan · 09-11-2020 2:46pm

Just looking at the process for making a submission and you either post in a letter or email a single email address. Seems a bit stupid not to have an email address for each corridor which would take out the work of having to sort them (or a dedicated online form in each virtual consultation room), particularly as there are different teams and different consultants on various corridors. Given the number of submissions is likely to be significant, and I'm sure many people wont put the corridor in the subject line, there is likely to be a bit of work in that. Some people also may make a submission on more than one corridor which means it would have to be split.

trellheim · 10-11-2020 7:42pm

Let me ask you this question Trellheim; are you making an assumption that you & your community association may have possibly missed out on a critical part of your area that was being reworked on since the last consultation had finished this year?

It's not an assumption unfortunately.

I put this up on the residents Whatsapp and zero people had heard about it apart from the few I had mentioned above.

The amount of Comical Ali stuff on here claiming there has been consultation. Well, there wasn't. ( sorry - wrong, I did mention we got the wrong flyer in the door in the estate )

and

If we are being entirely honest I saw the headline regarding the increase in tree felling but did not connect it with a revised project . As for the rest, completely under the radar.

Thanks for the links above, checked my locals, and nothing heard from any of the TDs or local authority reps.

I''ll move on as there's little point debating it - it's clear many here seem to think we're being deliberately obtuse. However everything I've said is being honest and upfront.

Seth Brundle · 10-11-2020 8:02pm

trellheim wrote: »

It's not an assumption unfortunately.

I put this up on the residents Whatsapp and zero people had heard about it apart from the few I had mentioned above.

But that is your and your neighbours fault. Nobody else is responsible!

trellheim wrote: »

The amount of Comical Ali stuff on here claiming there has been consultation. Well, there wasn't. ( sorry - wrong, I did mention we got the wrong flyer in the door in the estate )

So people have shown you how there was loads of consultation and yet you still say there was none?
It's like you're sticking your fingers in your ears and singing la la la la la la....

trellheim wrote: »

Thanks for the links above, checked my locals, and nothing heard from any of the TDs or local authority reps.

Which TDs and councillors did you ask that said they hadn't heard anything?

LXFlyer · 10-11-2020 8:11pm

trellheim wrote: »

It's not an assumption unfortunately.

I put this up on the residents Whatsapp and zero people had heard about it apart from the few I had mentioned above.

The amount of Comical Ali stuff on here claiming there has been consultation. Well, there wasn't. ( sorry - wrong, I did mention we got the wrong flyer in the door in the estate )

and

If we are being entirely honest I saw the headline regarding the increase in tree felling but did not connect it with a revised project . As for the rest, completely under the radar.

Thanks for the links above, checked my locals, and nothing heard from any of the TDs or local authority reps.

I''ll move on as there's little point debating it - it's clear many here seem to think we're being deliberately obtuse. However everything I've said is being honest and upfront.

I didn't think you were being obtuse. I was merely disagreeing with you about the lack of coverage - as you can see there has been plenty.

With any project like this you really ought to always look at it the news stories and look at the website to double check - I do suspect that you're not alone in not checking.

Did you check your politicians' twitter feeds or facebook pages?

You cannot expect flyers in the door or personal contact any more - you do need to take some responsibility yourself to look at politician's twitter and facebook, and the BusConnects website once a news story is published. There is lots of information online.

I would definitely expect residents' associations committee members to be doing that.

If people don't, well that's really their hard luck. You've admitted that you saw the story and just blanked it.

But fire away now and read up, spread the word with neighbours and work colleagues, and put in a submission!

The more submissions the better.

jimmycrackcorm · 10-11-2020 8:25pm

trellheim wrote: »

It's not an assumption unfortunately.

I put this up on the residents Whatsapp and zero people had heard about it apart from the few I had mentioned above.

The amount of Comical Ali stuff on here claiming there has been consultation. Well, there wasn't. ( sorry - wrong, I did mention we got the wrong flyer in the door in the estate )

you won't get far with the dog ate my homework excuse when it comes to the flyer. Personally, I looked up the actual changes that affect my area instead of expecting the chairman of the NTA to send me a dinner invite to discuss.

You're well able to post on boards so I can't understand how you can complain about not knowing what is going on with it when a quick google gets you the required information and how to make submissions. The denial is what is actually comical Ali...

cgcsb · 10-11-2020 8:28pm

This is some tedious shisser on the last 2 pages, maybe move on?

donvito99 · 11-11-2020 7:50pm

cgcsb wrote: »

This is some tedious shisser on the last 2 pages, maybe move on?

Let's have 3 consultations about whether to move the thread on or not.

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