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  • #152
    [Deleted User]
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    Fritzbox wrote: »
    Who knows, maybe they'll cut the wings off completely, cut the tail fin and one of the horizontal stabilisers off, then roll the entire 2-storey fuselage on its side?

    Should fit through the doors then, shouldn't it?

    I don’t understand why you think it needs to be done indoors ?


  • #153
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    mickdw wrote: »
    That doesn't sound like a great plan.
    Pulling apart an aluminium shell at the top of a hill in the west of Ireland alongside a working runway - what could possibly go wrong.
    There was a video here of them tearing apart a jet in the hanger which made alot of sense.

    Aircraft are scrapped outdoors not indoors everywhere, this will be the same. End of story.


  • #154
    Board Walker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 790 ✭✭✭Board Walker


    Fritzbox wrote: »
    Who knows, maybe they'll cut the wings off completely, cut the tail fin and one of the horizontal stabilisers off, then roll the entire 2-storey fuselage on its side?

    Should fit through the doors then, shouldn't it?
    :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D I laughed heartily!


  • #155
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,461 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Aircraft are scrapped outdoors not indoors everywhere, this will be the same. End of story.

    Except in the video from this very company who scrapped a jet entirely within their hanger.
    Clearly work will be happening outdoors on the A380 but how do you guarantee that crap doesn't blow onto the runway.
    From my own experience of construction at airports, any debris making it's way outside the site boundary was treated as an emergency. Chopping a fuselage is a messy business, just seems odd so close to runway.


  • #156
    rolion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭rolion


    Guys,thanks for sharing this info here...is a bless and a curse !

    Did the mistake telling to my son and now ... well,he wants to see it landing !

    By any chance,any of you knows what time it may land in Knock ?
    I am taking the Friday day off and "already" he is sick from school.
    Planning to leave Dublin by car at 7ish, that means arriving in Knock at maybe 10am.

    Will that do the job, pretty please ?!

    Thanks


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  • #157
    Andrew33
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    rolion wrote: »
    Guys,thanks for sharing this info here...is a bless and a curse !

    Did the mistake telling to my son and now ... well,he wants to see it landing !

    By any chance,any of you knows what time it may land in Knock ?
    I am taking the Friday day off and "already" he is sick from school.
    Planning to leave Dublin by car at 7ish, that means arriving in Knock at maybe 10am.

    Will that do the job, pretty please ?!

    Thanks
    Bring a flask and Sambos!


  • #158
    rolion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭rolion


    Andrew33 wrote: »
    Bring a flask and Sambos!

    Yeah... i will have him and a fully charged phone with FlightRadar, no need for food or water ! :)


  • #159
    eastmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 684 ✭✭✭eastmayo


    rolion wrote: »
    Yeah... i will have him and a fully charged phone with FlightRadar, no need for food or water ! :)

    Keep an eye on this page befour ya travel west on Fri,I heard today it may be sat now before it arrives.


  • #160
    hopeso
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭hopeso


    I just got a notification on FR24 that it's departed Dresden....I thought it was in Leipzig since yesterday????


  • #161
    [Deleted User]
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    rolion wrote: »
    Guys,thanks for sharing this info here...is a bless and a curse !

    Did the mistake telling to my son and now ... well,he wants to see it landing !

    By any chance,any of you knows what time it may land in Knock ?
    I am taking the Friday day off and "already" he is sick from school.
    Planning to leave Dublin by car at 7ish, that means arriving in Knock at maybe 10am.

    Will that do the job, pretty please ?!

    Thanks

    Don’t plan anything yet, I’m hearing it might be Saturday now but that hasn’t been confirmed yet.

    Sorry it’s aviation things change constantly for many reasons.


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  • #162
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    hopeso wrote: »
    I just got a notification on FR24 that it's departed Dresden....I thought it was in Leipzig since yesterday????

    It’s on the ground at Dresden.


  • #163
    hopeso
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭hopeso


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s on the ground at Dresden.

    When did it return from Leipzig? Did FR24 notify us? I must have missed it if it did....


  • #164
    [Deleted User]
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    hopeso wrote: »
    When did it return from Leipzig? Did FR24 notify us? I must have missed it if it did....

    No idea, but FR24 isn’t 100% accurate.


  • #165
    tricky D
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It’s on the ground at Dresden.
    Looks like someone is taking the transponder for a walk.


  • #166
    EchoIndia
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    mickdw wrote: »
    Except in the video from this very company who scrapped a jet entirely within their hanger.
    Clearly work will be happening outdoors on the A380 but how do you guarantee that crap doesn't blow onto the runway.
    From my own experience of construction at airports, any debris making it's way outside the site boundary was treated as an emergency. Chopping a fuselage is a messy business, just seems odd so close to runway.

    Suggest you look at some photos from Kemble (Cotswold Airport), where they have been parting out airliners, large and small, in the open, for years. The area where aircraft meet their end is close enough to the eastern threshold of the runway.


  • #167
    yer man!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭yer man!


    billy few mates wrote: »
    Because they're not designed as freighters and to convert them into freighters would require an STC (supplementary type certificate) by the manufacturer or a third party which would involve a huge amount of investment to have it designed and certified. It would also involve a huge amount of structural work to be done on the aircraft to cut the hole for the door and beef up the structure to allow for the changes in load forces and the installation of a cargo loading system.
    With so few aircraft for conversion, so little interest in a freighter version of it it just wouldn't be worth the time and effort (and cost) of designing the STC, they would never recoup the design costs.
    Far better to design an STC for a freighter conversion for aircraft that are already widely available and in cheap supply.

    I thought the original A380 program included the A380F, they got around 27 orders for them but they postponed production until the A380 passenger jet stabilised. I remember some big couriers being interested in them. I wonder if the freighter model would have been all that different to the passenger model.


  • #168
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    yer man! wrote: »
    I thought the original A380 program included the A380F, they got around 27 orders for them but they postponed production until the A380 passenger jet stabilised. I remember some big couriers being interested in them. I wonder if the freighter model would have been all that different to the passenger model.

    It did, in fact the very first A380 announcement included 2 x A380Fs for Emirates (6th firm order for Airbus).

    It wouldn't have been too different from the passenger model, here's the Airbus impression:-

    A380freighter_1.jpg

    Between 2001-2005 27 A380Fs were ordered by Emirates, ILFC, FedEx and UPS, by 2007 all orders had been cancelled with the exception of 7 which were converted to passenger variants (of which 5 were subsequently cancelled).


  • #169
    Xpro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Xpro


    Quite a few rumours about A380 and where its going to be scrapped.

    These are generally decommissioned in Lourdes which is associated with Sanctuary of Our Lady in Lourdes and I personally think people somehow mistaken that for Sanctuary of our lady in Knock and rumours travel fast.

    My bet is these will not go to Knock. Lets see what Friday brings.


  • #170
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    Xpro wrote: »
    Quite a few rumours about A380 and where its going to be scrapped.

    These are generally decommissioned in Lourdes which is associated with Sanctuary of Our Lady in Lourdes and I personally think people somehow mistaken that for Sanctuary of our lady in Knock and rumours travel fast.

    My bet is these will not go to Knock. Lets see what Friday brings.

    Eh.........what ?!


  • #171
    Manuel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭Manuel


    You have to admit, it's quite the coincidence .... maybe Airbus are hoping they might be reincarnated ......


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  • #172
    The One Doctor
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    Manuel wrote: »
    You have to admit, it's quite the coincidence .... maybe Airbus are hoping they might be reincarnated ......

    Oh they'll be reincarnated alright.

    As Coke cans.


  • #173
    mayotom
    Registered Users Posts: 742 ✭✭✭mayotom


    Xpro wrote: »

    My bet is these will not go to Knock. Lets see what Friday brings.

    I'll take that bet


  • #174
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,650 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Did I see it in Dublin today or was it a 747?

    Noticed it as I was leaving the office. Parked down by fed ex and DHL planes. Deffo had an upstairs


  • #175
    VW 1
    Registered Users Posts: 4,509 ✭✭✭VW 1


    ted1 wrote: »
    Did I see it in Dublin today or was it a 747?

    Noticed it as I was leaving the office. Parked down by fed ex and DHL planes. Deffo had an upstairs


    Was a 747, see this post

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112502829&postcount=8851


  • #176
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,650 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    VW 1 wrote: »
    Was a 747, see this post

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112502829&postcount=8851

    Thanks. Looks like cargo as opposed to pax

    https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/1278328/n493mc-atlas-air-boeing-747-400f-erf/

    https://www.jetphotos.com/info/747-29254


  • #177
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,461 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    EchoIndia wrote: »
    Suggest you look at some photos from Kemble (Cotswold Airport), where they have been parting out airliners, large and small, in the open, for years. The area where aircraft meet their end is close enough to the eastern threshold of the runway.

    Does that place take regular scheduled commercial aircraft?


  • #178
    de biz
    Registered Users Posts: 526 ✭✭✭de biz


    ted1 wrote: »
    Thanks. Looks like cargo as opposed to pax

    https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/1278328/n493mc-atlas-air-boeing-747-400f-erf/

    https://www.jetphotos.com/info/747-29254

    That is a fantastic pic taken by Michal Haraf.


  • #179
    artanevilla
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Eh.........what ?!

    There's a company called TARMAC at Tarbes/Lourdes airport that scraps planes...


  • #180
    Connacht
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭Connacht


    Folks, you can set up an alert on https://flightaware.com/account/manage/alerts (requires registration, but is free) for F-HPJB. It will email you any movements. Did so for Dresden - Leipzig the other day, but not for any return flight, so perhaps the plane is still at Leipzig. Having said that, I'll defer to @GVHOT or anybody who actually knows where it actually is at any given time.


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  • #181
    rolion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,362 ✭✭✭rolion


    I know i am pushing too far maybe... but i wonder if its there a chance that if the plane landed in our Knock side of the woods, can someone from there allow us to touch the plane or see it closer ?
    Even if that will cost me,like a nice bottle with magic liquid !?


  • #182
    Noxegon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,558 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    Random thought, why do they waste time painting out the old livery prior to scrappage?

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



  • #183
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Noxegon wrote: »
    Random thought, why do they waste time painting out the old livery prior to scrappage?

    I would think having your logo on a plane being crushed up looks pretty bad from a reputational standpoint?

    Plus paint issues with recycling maybe?


  • #184
    [Deleted User]
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    I should have info later about the arrival day and hopefully time.


  • #185
    [Deleted User]
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    Cancelled for the time being. No new date yet sorry.


  • #186
    Manuel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭Manuel


    Stupid Irish weather :mad: .....


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  • #187
    AAAAAAAAA
    Registered Users Posts: 255 ✭✭AAAAAAAAA


    Noxegon wrote: »
    Random thought, why do they waste time painting out the old livery prior to scrappage?

    I find the act of painting over the livery on crashed planes to be far more of a waste considering everyone already knows who's plane it was that crashed.

    I suppose the idea when they're going in for scrappage is that they could conceivably be sitting in public view, rusting away for quite a while, and it wouldn't look good for the airline.


  • #188
    Xpro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Xpro


    Due to weather? Knock is a Cat2 airport??

    Anyway I spoke to one pilots I know from AirFrance, he asked internally and was told this is not going to Knock.

    So I’d love to know how accurate your source of information is..


  • #189
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    Xpro wrote: »
    Due to weather? Knock is a Cat2 airport??

    Anyway I spoke to one pilots I know from AirFrance, he asked internally and was told this is not going to Knock.

    So I’d love to know how accurate your source of information is..

    I guess maybe the aircraft in question can only land a Knock when the winds are just right. And is the aircraft still owned by Air France? I thought the company who are supposed to scrap it are the new owners?


  • #190
    kevinandrew
    Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    If it's been returned to the lessor it should have nothing to do with Air France anymore.

    It was withdrawn from use in November, even Air France wouldn't be that silly to still have it on their books.


  • #191
    GM228
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,922 ✭✭✭GM228


    kevinandrew wrote: »
    If it's been returned to the lessor it should have nothing to do with Air France anymore.

    It was withdrawn from use in November, even Air France wouldn't be that silly to still have it on their books.

    When going for scrap it remains registered to the last user AFAIK, in fact it was returned to the Dr.Peters Group (the owners) in November and repainted white, but continued in use with AF until the end of 2019


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  • #192
    kevinandrew
    Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭kevinandrew


    GM228 wrote: »
    When going for scrap it remains registered to the last user AFAIK, in fact it was returned to the Dr.Peters Group (the owners) in November and repainted white, but continued in use with AF until the end of 2019

    My mistake, I stand corrected on the dates.

    Even so, once it's handed back I doubt Air France would have much, if any, say in where the aircraft is scrapped let alone of their pilots?


  • #193
    [Deleted User]
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    Xpro wrote: »
    Due to weather? Knock is a Cat2 airport??

    Anyway I spoke to one pilots I know from AirFrance, he asked internally and was told this is not going to Knock.

    So I’d love to know how accurate your source of information is..

    I’ve seen the Air France aircraft scheduler with it on it. Knock ATC confirmed they were told it was coming. Knock Airport have also said they expected it. Flying in Ireland have said 4 are due. How accurate is my source ???

    As I have said all along, take information with a health warning. You’re entitled to question, but note so far my first paragraph plus the accuracy of the information about the test flight.


  • #194
    [Deleted User]
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    Also note the two due dates were Storm Ciara and Storm Denis.

    All information needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. I’ve been burned many times, but note multiple sources have indicated this is happening at some stage and not just me.


  • #195
    YbFocus
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    I find it comical to attack GVHOT over it, worst case scenario we don't get an a380 we would never have seen anyway.

    Best case, he and numerous others are correct!

    Relax!


  • #196
    [Deleted User]
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    YbFocus wrote: »
    I find it comical to attack GVHOT over it, worst case scenario we don't get an a380 we would never have seen anyway.

    Best case, he ans numerous others are correct!

    Relax!

    Thanks, but I don’t feel I’m being attacked. He is right to question it if he has different sources. Sometimes different sources say different things. It is likely that the flight is no longer on Air France’s system so his source is correct it isnt coming.

    Like I said, I’ve been caught out many times and there are many out there who like to try and muddy the waters by giving wrong dates and times, it happens weekly. The amount of posts I’ve seen from groups where one person asks a question about something they’ve heard and within minutes others post dates/times/regs etc, they’ve clearly been keeping information quiet. I’m completely against that. I’m relating what I’ve heard and stated that to take it with salt and a health warning.


  • #197
    Manuel
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    So it's DEFINITELY coming during mid-term then?

    Sweet.

    :D


  • #198
    GM228
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    kevinandrew wrote: »
    My mistake, I stand corrected on the dates.

    Even so, once it's handed back I doubt Air France would have much, if any, say in where the aircraft is scrapped let alone of their pilots?

    I would guess the Dr. Peters Group would have an agreement with AF to crew the plane to it's final resting place, doubt there are many A380 certified pilots outside of the commercial operators for such ferry flights, though I could be wrong.


  • #199
    GM228
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Knock ATC confirmed they were told it was coming. Knock Airport have also said they expected it.

    Privately or publically, the only "official" word I have seen is a resounding "no" from the airport on Twitter.


  • #200
    [Deleted User]
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    GM228 wrote: »
    Privately or publically, the only "official" word I have seen is a resounding "no" from the airport on Twitter.

    That was in response to a question asking was it happening last Friday. They answered the question that was asked. I wouldn't say that was resounding myself. The question should have been "I've heard an A380 is due in Knock to be dismantled, is that true ?".


  • #201
    billy few mates
    Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭billy few mates


    yer man! wrote: »
    I thought the original A380 program included the A380F, they got around 27 orders for them but they postponed production until the A380 passenger jet stabilised. I remember some big couriers being interested in them. I wonder if the freighter model would have been all that different to the passenger model.
    Yes but that was to be a production freighter, to convert a pax aircraft into a freighter would require an STC.


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