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30-07-2020 6:21pm

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

If it's so simple, it should be very easy to clearly show a difference but it has been very hard for anything to be proven because it's not simple.

And chezh republic would surely be a good sample size

Chezh republic population 10.5M....16K cases and 374 deaths,much less of a lockdown than us,but heavy early usage of facemasks....pretty much decimates our figures

They lifted their lockdown in mid may,but brought in mandatory facemasks....like your free to infer this to be a non-factor in their figures,but i respectfully disagree

Here is quite a good article outlining it......its been such a success,they can ease the rules

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5426602002

wrangler · 30-07-2020 6:23pm

85 new cases today, not looking likely for the schools to open if this continues

Water John · 30-07-2020 6:37pm

Indeed doesn't look good. Even if we can strip out the Direct Provision centre and the factory from the figures it would still be a problem IWT.
I'd be very cautious of any indoor socialising.

emaherx · 30-07-2020 6:45pm

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Even in Asia where mask wearing is very common for a long time. They still suffer from respiratory diseases every year and managed to infect the world with multiple virus strains

That's hardly a very scientific observation.

Even people who wear sunscreen can get skin cancer, but that doesn't make sunscreen any less important.

emaherx · 30-07-2020 6:47pm

wrangler wrote: »

85 new cases today, not looking likely for the schools to open if this continues

Wonder what the breakdown of cases is though. A large number of recent cases were symptom free and found purely by contact tracing. The number of positive cases will rise before they fall if they are now finding more symptom free cases.

yosemitesam1 · 30-07-2020 6:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

And chezh republic would surely be a good sample size

Chezh republic population 10.5M....16K cases and 374 deaths,much less of a lockdown than us,but heavy early usage of facemasks....pretty much decimates our figures

They lifted their lockdown in mid may,but brought in mandatory facemasks....like your free to infer this to be a non-factor in their figures,but i respectfully disagree

Here is quite a good article outlining it......its been such a success,they can ease the rules

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/5426602002

How has their testing compared to other countries?
How has their criteria for recording a death compared to other countries?
Are their elderly citizens more likely to be at home or in nursing homes compared to other countries?
Did they prevent unnecessary nursing homes outbreaks by not doing what we and other countries did, moving infected patients from hospitals into nursing homes?
Did they actively test healthcare staff with no symptoms and force those healthcare workers to self isolate leading to staff shortages?
Had they issues with migrant workers returning home and abandoning their healthcare positions?

All of the above are much bigger factors than whether facemasks are worn IMO. Things were unnecessarily worse than they could have been in many western European countries and the official statistics might also further exaggerate that difference if testing and criteria recording deaths differs. Belarus has much better statistics than us for example.
I'm not aware of any official figures of all cause mortality in Czech either, that might tell a different story also

SuperTortoise · 30-07-2020 10:51pm

_Brian wrote: »

Yep.
They were afraid to recommend face coverings as masks were in tight supply. I think that was one of the very few errors of the government’s management of the crisis.

No closing of ports into the country
Not making facemasks mandatory
Ordering a couple of million gowns that had to be thrown in the bin
Not shutting down in time i.e. the pubs, nursing homes
No where near enough testing capacity
The "green list" farce

There's far more, that's just off the top of my head, but worst of all is the shocking case fatality rate, as a percentage of population it is far higher here than in most other countries.
If you're calling that a job well done, i would'nt like to see the state of the country if they were doing a bad job.

Compare ourselves to New Zealand for example, similar land mass, both islands, similar population and population density, yet compare their numbers to ours, puts things in perspective.

jaymla627 · 30-07-2020 10:59pm

wrangler wrote: »

85 new cases today, not looking likely for the schools to open if this continues

It dosent matter if its hits a 1000 cases a day heading into August schools have to reopen, the damage that would be done to society if they leave them shut isn’t comprehendable, cases per day isn’t the bar to be setting policy to, its death per day and admissions to icu’s that the barometer and levels are very low in this regard

SuperTortoise · 30-07-2020 11:08pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

It dosent matter if its hits a 1000 cases a day heading into August schools have to reopen, the damage that would be done to society if they leave them shut isn’t comprehendable, cases per day isn’t the bar to be setting policy to, its death per day and admissions to icu’s that the barometer and levels are very low in this regard

But ICU admissions and deaths lag case numbers by a few weeks, so by the time ICU numbers go up the cases are then out of control.

Water John · 30-07-2020 11:11pm

Increase in hospitalisations might be an earlier indicator. The number having to hospital are those who most likely have long term aftereffects.

jaymla627 · 30-07-2020 11:23pm

SuperTortoise wrote: »

But ICU admissions and deaths lag case numbers by a few weeks, so by the time ICU numbers go up the cases are then out of control.

If the hse hadn’t of made a clusterf**k of handling nursing homes and residential care facilities for vunreable people Irish covid death figures would be only in the low 100”s, multiples of deaths will occur due to a continuing lockdown and having the health system operate at 3rd world levels re no cancer screening/routine surgeries then covid will kill....
Bigger picture needs to be looked at now, their isn’t a infinite pot of money for the Irish goverment to keep drawing out of for much longer then a few more months

Base price · 02-08-2020 11:53am

A state of disaster has been announced in Victoria with Melbourne under a curfew from 8pm to 5am.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/victoria-state-of-disaster-melbourne-curfew-introduced-coronavirus-stage-4-lockdown-restrictions-what-they-mean/2e508cdb-6cfe-4a6f-ad80-52af9601435a

Reggie. · 02-08-2020 12:39pm

Base price wrote: »

A state of disaster has been announced in Victoria with Melbourne under a curfew from 8pm to 5am.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/victoria-state-of-disaster-melbourne-curfew-introduced-coronavirus-stage-4-lockdown-restrictions-what-they-mean/2e508cdb-6cfe-4a6f-ad80-52af9601435a

Kinda half measures ain't it

whelan2 · 02-08-2020 12:45pm

According to that Australias death toll is 209,very low if correct

Base price · 02-08-2020 1:22pm

whelan2 wrote: »

According to that Australias death toll is 209,very low if correct

Talking to eldest over the past few weeks and he said that there are areas of Melbourne with large public housing flat complexes where it has been spreading for weeks. The police were brought in to restrict movement from these areas but it obviously hasn't worked.
Edit to add - He has sent plenty of snapchat pics over the few weeks of him and his work mates on Friday nights in the pub.

Lime Tree Farm · 02-08-2020 10:08pm

Base price wrote: »

Talking to eldest over the past few weeks and he said that there are areas of Melbourne with large public housing flat complexes where it has been spreading for weeks. The police were brought in to restrict movement from these areas but it obviously hasn't worked.
Edit to add - He has sent plenty of snapchat pics over the few weeks of him and his work mates on Friday nights in the pub.

While herding I have been trying to record curlews using a camcorder. I keep missing them, they are never at the same location any day. Today I just missed 2 as I wasn’t swift enough. On return home I switched on aertel, to see curfew in Melbourne, I clicked on it, mistaking it for Curlew in Melbourne. Curlews on the brain!

Water John · 02-08-2020 10:13pm

The disaster status is about giving the police more powers to enforce lockdown.

greysides · 04-08-2020 6:12pm

wrangler · 07-08-2020 5:28pm

Laoise , Offaly and Kildare locked down from 12 midnight, this is getting rough now

Reggie. · 07-08-2020 5:51pm

wrangler wrote: »

Laoise , Offaly and Kildare locked down from 12 midnight, this is getting rough now

Not really a lockdown as can still move around. Be hard to enforce I'd say

alps · 07-08-2020 5:55pm

wrangler wrote: »

Laoise , Offaly and Kildare locked down from 12 midnight, this is getting rough now

Assuming roads through are open for the rest of us😉

wrangler · 07-08-2020 6:28pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Not really a lockdown as can still move around. Be hard to enforce I'd say

I've been talking to some people that have been irresponsible, ie going on to a house after leaving their table in the pub and bringing a few they meet with them, could be 20 + at the house.
This virus will be unrelenting until every one gets it

whelan2 · 07-08-2020 6:54pm

So are non essential shops etc closed in these counties

zetor 4911 · 07-08-2020 7:43pm

wrangler wrote: »

I've been talking to some people that have been irresponsible, ie going on to a house after leaving their table in the pub and bringing a few they meet with them, could be 20 + at the house.
This virus will be unrelenting until every one gets it

We in the farming community will have to up our game also what I see going on in certain marts is totally irresponsible with no social distancing taking place and no face covering all the department of agriculture and health have to do is to look at the on line pictures to see what is happening, the marts will be the next meat factories if this continues.

patsy_mccabe · 07-08-2020 7:44pm

Local young guy tested positive here. God, it ain't going away, is it?

yosemitesam1 · 07-08-2020 7:47pm

wrangler wrote: »

Laoise , Offaly and Kildare locked down from 12 midnight, this is getting rough now

Lunatics still in control of the asylum.

All this for infections that are nearly all from meat factories and direct provision centres with only a small percentage actually getting any symptoms.

The only way this hysteria will end is when jobs losses become permanent and the average person starts to question is it worth it...

jaymla627 · 07-08-2020 9:20pm

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Lunatics still in control of the asylum.

All this for infections that are nearly all from meat factories and direct provision centres with only a small percentage actually getting any symptoms.

The only way this hysteria will end is when jobs losses become permanent and the average person starts to question is it worth it...

Gardai and the paddy wagons had to be called in monastervin to round up “asylum seekers” for testing, its a pure pisstake, outside of cases linked to that centre id reckon their isn’t any cases in Laois

Lime Tree Farm · 07-08-2020 9:38pm

I was at the local filling station for a fill up at 5:30pm this evening, it was quite busy at the time. I was pleasantly surprised, I must say, at the amount of young people, probably on their way home from work, who were either wearing masks or donning masks as they entered the convenience store (most wearing black masks, which looked good).

CHOPS01 · 07-08-2020 10:14pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Local young guy tested positive here. God, it ain't going away, is it?

Just heard about it a while ago. Hope he'll be ok.
Different when it's close to home

Injuryprone · 07-08-2020 10:40pm

There's a wedding not too far from me at the weekend. Have a marquee up at the house. 100+ guests by all accounts. DJ, dance floor, free bar etc all lined up to keep it as normal as possible. I hope it works out for them but it's a bit of a pisstake tbh. No doubt there'll be some mention of social distancing at the start of the evening but without anyone responsible like you would have with a hotel manager, I'm sure it won't be long before any social distancing goes out the window.

Thankfully the weddings I've to go to have been put off well into next year. I don't know what I'd do if I was supposed to go to this one. You don't want to be falling out with people

somofagun · 07-08-2020 10:44pm

Was at a sheep sale this evening and let me tell you its only a matter of time before the marts are closed again. 4 deep at the ring side and stands 80% full, no social distancing at all. Few men wearing masks but alot were not. Was no natural ventilation to speak off as it was a still warm evening so it was prime conditions for a bit of COVID to spread. Glad to get out of the place.

kollegeknight · 08-08-2020 1:23pm

Why are they locking down Laois Kildare and Offaly and never bother with Dublin when numbers were huge there

Reggie. · 08-08-2020 2:06pm

kollegeknight wrote: »

Why are they locking down Laois Kildare and Offaly and never bother with Dublin when numbers were huge there

Because its dublin

whelan2 · 08-08-2020 2:21pm

Are the meat factories not closed down that have all the positive cases?

Water John · 08-08-2020 3:12pm

I think only O'Briens.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 08-08-2020 3:37pm

Water John wrote: »

I think only O'Briens.

One of the lamb lines in Kildare Chilling as well.

wrangler · 08-08-2020 5:50pm

somofagun wrote: »

Was at a sheep sale this evening and let me tell you its only a matter of time before the marts are closed again. 4 deep at the ring side and stands 80% full, no social distancing at all. Few men wearing masks but alot were not. Was no natural ventilation to speak off as it was a still warm evening so it was prime conditions for a bit of COVID to spread. Glad to get out of the place.

It's taken now that if you go out at the weekend that there'll be a house party when you're thrown out of the pub........ no one is going home at 11pm
Even a factory worker referred to the house parties on the Indo today, lockdown is pointless now.

whelan2 · 08-08-2020 6:01pm

174 new cases. Is that the highest since the outbreak started ?

Base price · 08-08-2020 6:06pm

whelan2 wrote: »

174 new cases. Is that the highest since the outbreak started ?

No, 203 new cases on the 14th of May although the numbers are recorded as 426 for that day - 223 we previous cases.

jaymla627 · 08-08-2020 6:25pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Because its dublin

1 new case in Laois today down from 5 yesterday and no patients in portlaoise been treated for covid, its farcical that Laois has been locked down you can understand Kildare, but Laois been shutdown is solely down to the proximity to the direct provision center in Kildare

naughto · 08-08-2020 8:20pm

I think it's due to them commuting in to the factory from laois

Water John · 08-08-2020 8:28pm

We've had 6/7 cases in Cork, both yesterday and today. Time to be vigilant all over.
I see that one prison in Texas has a 75% of inmates testing positive. Well I presume that qualifies as herd immunity at this point.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 08-08-2020 11:24pm

Just on the 3 County lockdown.
https://twitter.com/MonahanFintan/status/1292223955542188032?s=19

Base price · 09-08-2020 2:50pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

One of the lamb lines in Kildare Chilling as well.

Kildare Chilling have suspended operations as of today according to RTE on Twitter. I don't know how to link a Tweet

Buford T. Justice XIX · 09-08-2020 3:07pm

Base price wrote: »

Kildare Chilling have suspended operations as of today according to RTE on Twitter. I don't know how to link a Tweet

There's a half square with an arrow pointing upwards on the bottom right of a tweet on the laptop and a V turned sideways on the mobile that you press and the option to copy link to the tweet comes up. Press copy and then paste it into the post and it will embed itself.

Base price · 09-08-2020 3:20pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

There's a half square with an arrow pointing upwards on the bottom right of a tweet on the laptop and a V turned sideways on the mobile that you press and the option to copy link to the tweet comes up. Press copy and then paste it into the post and it will embed itself.

I will try it now to see if it works and you can delete the post after, if you don't mind.
https://twitter.com/ciaranmullooly/status/1292429292329209858?s=20

Buford T. Justice XIX · 09-08-2020 9:51pm

I just came across this tweet this evening, a German government funded investigation about a large cluster in a meat factory.
https://twitter.com/Care2much18/status/1292432971539132421?s=19

Water John · 09-08-2020 9:58pm

Seems to support the idea of superspreaders. But it also seems to indicate aerosol spread not just droplets. Would that be a fair conclusion?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 09-08-2020 11:03pm

Water John wrote: »

Seems to support the idea of superspreaders. But it also seems to indicate aerosol spread not just droplets. Would that be a fair conclusion?

Yeah, I would say so.

I think the advice to stay 2m away from others is due to aerosol spread. But the advice was always to remain as far away from others as possible to reduce the exposure level to the virus should be remembered as well.

alps · 10-08-2020 3:41pm

Check this out on Agriland - Carroll Cuisine to suspend operations https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/carroll-cuisine-to-suspend-operations/

Must have been a "slight" bit of pressure put on here..

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