Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

coolbeans · 29-01-2021 7:54pm

loughside wrote: »

So now we have an unaccountable, unelected collection of bureaucrats making life or death decisions for the people of Ireland,

from DublinLive.ie..
`Irish diplomat, Ray Bassett, told Express.co.uk: “Our Minister for Health, Stephen Donnelly, has just been rebuffed publicly when he suggested that Ireland should bring in some supplies of the AstraZeneca/Oxford COVID vaccine in anticipation of its approval by the European Medicines Agency.

“The Irish Government was sharply told by the Commission that this would not be permitted.

“It is hard to see how any democratic Government should allow itself to be overruled by an unelected body like the Commission especially when the health of its citizens is involved in a pandemic.”

You're attempting to make a serious point by quoting the Express? Seriously? Have they found Madeleine McCann yet? Is there a snow bomb on the way? How many ways have they found to coo over the princes today?

Melanchthon · 29-01-2021 7:58pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So no Hard Border then.

Depends what you mean by hard border, like I am fairly anti-Euro federalist (basically my views are pretty similar to 2000's SF on Europe, remainer but skeptical in the true sense not the Daily Mail way) but genuinely didn't think it would be the EU thought it would be some unionist mess up.
Triggering this, in this method (no warning etc), has meant the UK can easily justify doing it again.

In terms of practicality I don't know, like will there be Irish border checks on trucks leaving Ireland to North? There isn't a need but there may be a requirement too since it's been triggered?

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2021 8:08pm

Melanchthon wrote: »

Depends what you mean by hard border, like I am fairly anti-Euro federalist (basically my views are pretty similar to 2000's SF on Europe, remainer but skeptical in the true sense not the Daily Mail way) but genuinely didn't think it would be the EU thought it would be some unionist mess up.
Triggering this, in this method (no warning etc), has meant the UK can easily justify doing it again.

In terms of practicality I don't know, like will there be Irish border checks on trucks leaving Ireland to North? There isn't a need but there may be a requirement too since it's been triggered?

The UK could always do it. It's a mechanism of the Protocol.

SEPT 23 1989 · 29-01-2021 8:13pm

Did our European "partners" in Berlin consult our government before they did this?

Kermit.de.frog · 29-01-2021 8:14pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Did our European "partners" in Berlin consult our government before they did this?

That's what we have to know.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1355227197632610319

Very serious. We now have a border on the island all of a sudden.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2021 8:19pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

That's what we have to know.

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1355227197632610319

Very serious. We now have a border on the island all of a sudden.

There always was one, it was invisible but a border all the same. Try bringing a northern car across and driving it here as your own daily car for instance.

Amirani · 29-01-2021 8:21pm

loughside wrote: »

So now we have an unaccountable, unelected collection of bureaucrats making life or death decisions for the people of Ireland,

from DublinLive.ie..
`Irish diplomat, Ray Bassett, told Express.co.uk: “Our Minister for Health, Stephen Donnelly, has just been rebuffed publicly when he suggested that Ireland should bring in some supplies of the AstraZeneca/Oxford COVID vaccine in anticipation of its approval by the European Medicines Agency.

“The Irish Government was sharply told by the Commission that this would not be permitted.

“It is hard to see how any democratic Government should allow itself to be overruled by an unelected body like the Commission especially when the health of its citizens is involved in a pandemic.”

Stop using Ray Bassett (or the Express) as a source for anything, seriously.

loughside · 29-01-2021 8:22pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Did our European "partners" in Berlin consult our government before they did this?

Why would they do that?!! They used you as `useful idiots` in an attempt to overturn Brexit, now that`s over you don`t count any more.

They are now eating themselves.
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Imreoir2 · 29-01-2021 8:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So no Hard Border then.

That's hardily the sodding point. This was a mistake by the EU.

Doctor Roast · 29-01-2021 8:27pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Did our European "partners" in Berlin consult our government before they did this?

“Europe is France and Germany, the rest are just the trimmings”. - De Gaulle

Kermit.de.frog · 29-01-2021 8:30pm

Imreoir2 wrote: »

That's hardily the sodding point. This was a mistake by the EU.

If the Brits want to break the agreement now what are we going to say?

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1355228001798156297

This was a stupid, stupid act by the EU.

ohnonotgmail · 29-01-2021 8:30pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

“Europe is France and Germany, the rest are just the trimmings”. - De Gaulle

always nice to see a contemporary opinion.

Doctor Roast · 29-01-2021 8:34pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If the Brits want to break the agreement now what are we going to say?

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1355228001798156297

This was a stupid, stupid act by the EU.

They've been acting more and more irrational and dictatorial lately....

Professor Moriarty · 29-01-2021 8:35pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If the Brits want to break the agreement now what are we going to say?

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1355228001798156297

This was a stupid, stupid act by the EU.

No. It's taking back control.

Doctor Roast · 29-01-2021 8:36pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

always nice to see a contemporary opinion.

Years later and not much has changed....

Richard Hillman · 29-01-2021 8:54pm

The EU wouldn't have pulled that on Varadkar or Mary Lou. They wouldnt have pulled it on Enda or Bertie either. It's the problem with having a weak as piss leader.

Imreoir2 · 29-01-2021 8:55pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Years later and not much has changed....

Wait, I thought the whole problem was that the EU had changed too much since the UK joined? Now you tell me it has not changed at all?

fash · 29-01-2021 8:59pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If the Brits want to break the agreement now what are we going to say?

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1355228001798156297

This was a stupid, stupid act by the EU.

Given that it is specific and limited, I'm certain the Brits will fully understand - they are very understanding of such breaches

Ludo · 29-01-2021 9:00pm

Totally pro-EU, anti-brexit, etc person here but this is an absolute cluster-**** by the EU. On the face of it they appear to have made an absolute balls of things and now made things even worse by uniting the Uk govt, Irish govt, Sinn Fein, DUP, Other Unionists and SDLP against their stupidity.

Madness.

Donald Trump · 29-01-2021 9:01pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

They've been acting more and more irrational and dictatorial lately....

How is it irrational? If the UK is taking the piss and not acting in good faith then the EU is well entitled to put some manners on them.

The UK apparently has a load of vaccines...........if I was a Nordie I'd probably be fairly pissed off. Number 1 because I shouldn't be needing vaccines from the EU given that the UK supposedly has loads but must not be sharing them. And Number 2 just because I'd be a Nordie and thus genetically programmed to be being perpetually pissed off anyway

Melanchthon · 29-01-2021 9:04pm

Ludo wrote: »

Totally pro-EU, anti-brexit, etc person here but this is an absolute cluster-**** by the EU. On the face of it they appear to have made an absolute balls of things and now made things even worse by uniting the Uk govt, Irish govt, Sinn Fein, DUP, Other Unionists and SDLP against their stupidity.

Madness.

Yeah I don't like the Commission (mild skeptic etc), and something like this is something that can be used as a proper propaganda tool against giving them any more power/reform, but genuinely worried and not at all happy about this move as it seems on the face of it too be crazy and risking a lot in the north, especially the manner in which it seems to have been triggered.

Kermit.de.frog · 29-01-2021 9:09pm

https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1355236791339659266

I feel sorry for Coveney. He must be hitting the roof.

Professor Moriarty · 29-01-2021 9:11pm

Melanchthon wrote: »

Yeah I don't like the Commission (mild skeptic etc), and something like this is something that can be used as a proper propaganda tool against giving them any more power/reform, but genuinely worried and not at all happy about this move as it seems on the face of it too be crazy and risking a lot in the north, especially the manner in which it seems to have been triggered.

It's the EU stamping its authority. Watch how Britain responds. As for Ireland, well have a think how we would be doing outside the EU as a small insignificant nation trying to compete with the EU/US/Britain for vaccines. This is a no brainer. We can jump up and down and squeak about Article 16 but this is a bloc, that we are extremely lucky to be a part of, throwing its weight around to get vaccines for them and us. Full weight behind the EU. We don't have an alternative.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2021 9:17pm

Sources saying it hasn't been triggered.

https://twitter.com/ShonaMurray_/status/1355242573284175880

Professor Moriarty · 29-01-2021 9:21pm

EU ramping up the pressure:

"The UK has been left off a list of more than 120 countries exempted from tighter export restrictions on vaccines produced in the EU, in the latest twist in the bloc’s row with AstraZeneca over a shortage of doses."

Imreoir2 · 29-01-2021 9:23pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's the EU stamping its authority. Watch how Britain responds. As for Ireland, well have a think how we would be doing outside the EU as a small insignificant nation trying to compete with the EU/US/Britain for vaccines. This is a no brainer. We can jump up and down and squeak about Article 16 but this is a bloc, that we are extremely lucky to be a part of, throwing its weight around to get vaccines for them and us. Full weight behind the EU. We don't have an alternative.

I don't think anyone (sensible) is suggesting that we should leave the EU over this. The EU is well entitled to stamp its authority, the problem is how it chose to do so. The NI protocal is not the place to stamp anything.

fly_agaric · 29-01-2021 9:25pm

Imreoir2 wrote: »

That's hardily the sodding point. This was a mistake by the EU.

Yeah, it is a shock.

Wonder if it will be reversed? (if it happens quite quickly before any actual procedures have to be put in place, that minimises the damage to the NI protocol)

These seem like drastic, panicked moves given all the effort + political capital already expended by the EU on NI border issue during Brexit pre the pandemic.

Do we know the half of what is actually going on as regards the vaccine orders/production/distribution etc?

loughside · 29-01-2021 9:25pm

This hilarious fiasco on the part of the EU threatening to seize the intellectual property rights of pharmaceutical companies and take over the means of production and control (how very Marxist) is for nought.

It now transpires that they have a serious shortage of syringes and needles with which to administer the vaccines.

Well they didn't see that one coming, and where are they going to source them, invade some African country and steal their supplies earmarked for the vaccination of children for smallpox and polio.

This is what happens when you overpromote town councillors to EU commissars.

Thankfully we here in N.I. being part of the United Kingdom have completed the second vaccination stage weeks ago of our elderly and vulnerable, the 65-70 group is now well in progress.
Being shot of this collection of gangsters in the EU we really dodged a bullet there, makes you think how many lives have therefore been saved.
Feel sorry for the folk down south who have to stand by and wait for offerings from the eu when they decide to get round to it..

Professor Moriarty · 29-01-2021 9:26pm

Imreoir2 wrote: »

I don't think anyone (sensible) is suggesting that we should leave the EU over this. The EU is well entitled to stamp its authority, the problem is how it chose to do so. The NI protocal is not the place to stamp anything.

They are showing the UK who has the power in this debacle. Notice how the UK is staying quiet over this? Let's see what happens (if it has been triggered) and how the UK responds. This is just the beginning for the UK and for Brexit. The EU is currently using all means necessary to ensure that its citizens get the vaccines they've been promised. And we are EU citizens.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2021 9:29pm

loughside wrote: »

This hilarious fiasco on the part of the EU threatening to seize the intellectual property rights of pharmaceutical companies and take over the means of production and control (how very Marxist) is for nought.

It now transpires that they have a serious shortage of syringes and needles with which to administer the vaccines.

Well they didn't see that one coming, and where are they going to source them, invade some African country and steal their supplies earmarked for the vaccination of children for smallpox and polio.

This is what happens when you overpromote town councillors to EU commissars.

Thankfully we here in N.I. being part of the United Kingdom have completed the second vaccination stage weeks ago of our elderly and vulnerable, the 65-70 group is now well in progress.
Being shot of this collection of gangsters in the EU we really dodged a bullet there, makes you think how many lives have therefore been saved.
Feel sorry for the folk down south who have to stand by and wait for offerings from the eu when they decide to get round to it..

I wonder how the 100,000 would view it if they were still alive.

Professor Moriarty · 29-01-2021 9:32pm

loughside wrote: »

This hilarious fiasco on the part of the EU threatening to seize the intellectual property rights of pharmaceutical companies and take over the means of production and control (how very Marxist) is for nought.

It now transpires that they have a serious shortage of syringes and needles with which to administer the vaccines.

Well they didn't see that one coming, and where are they going to source them, invade some African country and steal their supplies earmarked for the vaccination of children for smallpox and polio.

This is what happens when you overpromote town councillors to EU commissars.

Thankfully we here in N.I. being part of the United Kingdom have completed the second vaccination stage weeks ago of our elderly and vulnerable, the 65-70 group is now well in progress.
Being shot of this collection of gangsters in the EU we really dodged a bullet there, makes you think how many lives have therefore been saved.
Feel sorry for the folk down south who have to stand by and wait for offerings from the eu when they decide to get round to it..

Genuinely feel sorry for the UK with a mortality rate 2.5 times that of Ireland. The criminal Tory party's rushing through of the vaccine is very much a case of slamming the stable door as hard as you can after the horse has bolted and died. Look over there.

Donald Trump · 29-01-2021 9:34pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Genuinely feel sorry for the UK with a mortality rate 2.5 times that of Ireland. The criminal Tory party's rushing through of the vaccine is very much a case of slamming the stable door as hard as you can after the horse has bolted and died. Look over there.

NI death rate is *only* 1.5x the Republic though. Still 1.5x. It's not a competition, but if someone wants to compare, no harm to tell them the facts

RobMc59 · 29-01-2021 9:35pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

They are showing the UK who has the power in this debacle. Notice how the UK is staying quiet over this? Let's see what happens (if it has been triggered) and how the UK responds. This is just the beginning for the UK and for Brexit. The EU is currently using all means necessary to ensure that its citizens get the vaccines they've been promised. And we are EU citizens.

Does the UK need to say anything? This seems to be a personal crusade by van der layden as she appears to have taken umbridge over the perception she and brussels have handled the vaccine situation poorly.Disrespecting Ireland by not discussing this with the Taoisearch first is a horrendous own goal.

Professor Moriarty · 29-01-2021 9:36pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

NI death rate is *only* 1.5x the Republic though. Still 1.5x. It's not a competition, but if someone wants to compare, no harm to tell them the facts

Yes but the poster spoke of the benefit of being in the UK versus Ireland. If they want to gloat and snigger over people's lives, then a bit of reality might give pause for thought.

Amirani · 29-01-2021 9:38pm

loughside wrote: »

Well they didn't see that one coming, and where are they going to source them, invade some African country and steal their supplies earmarked for the vaccination of children for smallpox and polio.

Nobody has done more invading and pillaging of resources from other countries than the UK.

Probably not surprising that something like the above would spring to mind for you.

StevenToast · 29-01-2021 9:39pm

If the EU has done this.....its a brit move....disgusting and shocking...

A Tory government, dominic cummings kind of move....

Not good

Professor Moriarty · 29-01-2021 9:39pm

RobMc59 wrote: »

Does the UK need to say anything? This seems to be a personal crusade by van der layden as she appears to have taken umbridge over the perception she and brussels have handled the vaccine situation poorly.Disrespecting Ireland by not discussing this with the Taoisearch first is a horrendous own goal.

Let's see how it plays out. If I were the UK I would say nothing until it washes through. If it goes ahead in tandem with the vaccine export blocks being imposed on the UK as we speak, I think we will hear from the UK very quickly.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2021 9:44pm

Most reliable sources saying that details gone off EU site. Rethink underway

ohnonotgmail · 29-01-2021 9:57pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Years later and not much has changed....

not much has changed in nearly 60 years? that is an interesting perspective certainly.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2021 10:02pm

A flexing of muscle more than anything looks like. Might be a smart move at the end of the day.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1355258958840274944

RobMc59 · 29-01-2021 10:03pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A flexing of muscle more than anything looks like. Might be a smart move at the end of the day.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1355258958840274944

A cunning climbdown you mean perhaps?

loughside · 29-01-2021 10:03pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Genuinely feel sorry for the UK with a mortality rate 2.5 times that of Ireland.

Donald Trump wrote: »

NI death rate is *only* 1.5x the Republic though. Still 1.5x.

Tut tut,,, pathetic and disgraceful responses on a public forum - shameful.

Ok, Could i remind you of the Treaty of Lisbon? Remember that one, where you all were ordered by your EU masters to vote again when you didn`t know f-all the first time !!lol!

EU Treaty of Lisbon

Paragraph 1 of Article 8 says: The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.

Yeah right, The EU = Just a Bunch of two-faced (vnts.

Professor Moriarty · 29-01-2021 10:03pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A flexing of muscle more than anything looks like. Might be a smart move at the end of the day.

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1355258958840274944

A shot across the bows.

Imreoir2 · 29-01-2021 10:05pm

loughside wrote: »

Ok, Could i remind you of the Treaty of Lisbon? Remember that one, where you all were ordered by your EU masters to vote again when you didn`t know f-all the first time !!lol!

This is both entirely irrelevant, and wildly ignorent at the same time. Well done.

Dyr · 29-01-2021 10:06pm

Be interesting to see some of the lads on here rowing in behind the EUs latest shenanigans.

But the same lads were grand with Trichet telling the Irish Government a bomb would go off in Dublin if they didnt do what they were told so its well within their capability

Doctor Roast · 29-01-2021 10:07pm

loughside wrote: »

Tut tut,,, pathetic and disgraceful responses on a public forum - shameful.

Ok, Could i remind you of the Treaty of Lisbon? Remember that one, where you all were ordered by your EU masters to vote again when you didn`t know f-all the first time !!lol!

EU Treaty of Lisbon

Paragraph 1 of Article 8 says: The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.

Yeah right, The EU = Just a Bunch of two-faced (vnts.

that treaty was designed to be unpenetrable for the public, but yeah "the Irish must vote again!" Sarkozy

Professor Moriarty · 29-01-2021 10:09pm

loughside wrote: »

Tut tut,,, pathetic and disgraceful responses on a public forum - shameful.

Ok, Could i remind you of the Treaty of Lisbon? Remember that one, where you all were ordered by your EU masters to vote again when you didn`t know f-all the first time !!lol!

EU Treaty of Lisbon

Paragraph 1 of Article 8 says: The Union shall develop a special relationship with neighbouring countries, aiming to establish an area of prosperity and good neighbourliness, founded on the values of the Union and characterised by close and peaceful relations based on cooperation.

Yeah right, The EU = Just a Bunch of two-faced (vnts.

If you're looking for two-faced, then I suggest you have a look at the populist liars currently running the UK. Nevermind their poodles in NI who were thrown under the bus but still come running home like the good little doggies they are.

Wrt to statistics, it's a truth you may choose to ignore but it speaks volumes as to the realities of the Tories' and the DUP's idiotic and criminal response to requests for lockdowns.

Doctor Roast · 29-01-2021 10:10pm

Bambi wrote: »

Be interesting to see some of the lads on here rowing in behind the EUs latest shenanigans.

But the same lads were grand with Trichet telling the Irish Government a bomb would go off in Dublin if they didnt do what they were told so its well within their capability

They have zero issues with throwing Ireland under the bus when it comes down to it, their ramblings are just good PR

Dyr · 29-01-2021 10:23pm

Doctor Roast wrote: »

They have zero issues with throwing Ireland under the bus when it comes down to it, their ramblings are just good PR

Some of us learned that lesson a decade ago, you'll always have those who row in behind those they perceive as their betters

This is the first big test post Brexit and the EU has failed it in spectacular fasion.

FrancieBrady · 29-01-2021 10:26pm

Bambi wrote: »

Be interesting to see some of the lads on here rowing in behind the EUs latest shenanigans.

But the same lads were grand with Trichet telling the Irish Government a bomb would go off in Dublin if they didnt do what they were told so its well within their capability

The problem has always been the power swap's limp response. The Commission has a job to do and will make mistakes, overstep etc. We need strong leadership.

Will Britain piss off and get on with Brexit II (mod warning in OP)

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