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    #62
    BuilderPlumber
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    CFlat wrote: »
    Yep. If you're a gigging musician and you want to make money forget about pop/rock/soul/ etc, join a country band. You'll be gigging 7 nights a week during the summer and probably 4/5 nights a week the rest of the year. Couldn't bring myself to do it when I was gigging but if you can put up with kitsch-ness of it, than you can make a good living.

    Yes, and it has to be a certain type of phony country. Not real country. But what I call boyfolk: a mix of boyband and other pop with modern, commercialised American country. Combined with this, there needs to be localised, name dropping songs full of references to Irish local places. The idea is to first appeal to the local types who love their town mentioned and then it takes off from there.

    I think what keeps all this boyfolk or whatever you want to call it alive is the gigging. Social dancing as they call these events where it is played. In other words, dance and drink and a good night out disguise poor music.

    I had the misfortune to be at a couple of these with friends who are mad into this type of night out. One thing I can say: you got to love weddings to even remotely like these events. What one sees are wedding bands who sing pop based country in the style Ronan Keating imitating an 'Oklahoma' accent.


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    #63
    BuilderPlumber
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    tipptom wrote: »
    That makes sense to me and the funny thing about these fans(including relatives of mine)is they are totally intolerant of other music but if you tell them you are not gone(I try to be diplomatic) on their new kid on the block,they are almost personally insulted.

    That's precisely how I know about all these guys too. Relatives of mine back home in the midlands idolise these guys. Yes, they are intolerant of all other music forms. True, they would take it personally if you said their favorite was not your cup of tea.

    It is so easy to market any old rubbish to such audiences. First off, this is not real country music. Secondly, all they have to do is play it on radio or Tubridy and fans marvel at it. Such people do not stop to think for themselves.

    I call it boyfolk for good reason. Like the boybands are marketed to impressionable young girls and (in a more sinister way) like the recruitment of suicide bombers and the popularity among some for repressive religion a la ISIS and Taliban, bad Irish country music taps into the kind of audience that do not question what is officially promoted. Makes one think what if Derek Ryan or Mike Denver instructed all their fans to fight in Iraq, jump off a cliff, rob a bank, crash a car, etc.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    #64
    checkyabadself
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    An File wrote: »
    Stop trying to make "boyfolk" happen! It's not gonna happen!

    It's so fetch!


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    #65
    CFlat
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    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    Yes, and it has to be a certain type of phony country. Not real country. But what I call boyfolk: a mix of boyband and other pop with modern, commercialised American country. Combined with this, there needs to be localised, name dropping songs full of references to Irish local places. The idea is to first appeal to the local types who love their town mentioned and then it takes off from there.

    I think what keeps all this boyfolk or whatever you want to call it alive is the gigging. Social dancing as they call these events where it is played. In other words, dance and drink and a good night out disguise poor music.

    I had the misfortune to be at a couple of these with friends who are mad into this type of night out. One thing I can say: you got to love weddings to even remotely like these events. What one sees are wedding bands who sing pop based country in the style Ronan Keating imitating an 'Oklahoma' accent.

    That's all true but its not a recent phenomenon. Irish C&W musicians have been murdering American C&W music for decades. Mick Flavin, John Hogan Declan Nerney, Big Tom, Daniel O Donnell, the list goes on. The only decent one IMO is Ray Lynam who kept it as close to Amercan country as possible for an Irish audience.

    I never heard the term 'Boyfolk', could catch on.


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    #66
    BuilderPlumber
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    CFlat wrote: »
    That's all true but its not a recent phenomenon. Irish C&W musicians have been murdering American C&W music for decades. Mick Flavin, John Hogan Declan Nerney, Big Tom, Daniel O Donnell, the list goes on. The only decent one IMO is Ray Lynam who kept it as close to Amercan country as possible for an Irish audience.

    I never heard the term 'Boyfolk', could catch on.

    That is true but the recent acts are far worse than these earlier acts. Big Tom and those you could not call pop. And at the very least, the old acts were singing some form of country.

    Today, I feel that the Irish country music industry seems to be a dumping ground for ex popstars. On top of this, the American country of modern times also is just more pop. Things are so bad now that any concert, festival or dance which is labelled as 'country' or 'country and Irish' I will 100% avoid if possible.

    I like the term boyfolk or boycountry as it reflects more what this genre means. It is a rural/country/folk take on boyband pop and as Derek Ryan proves, sung by ex boyband members a lot of the time.


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    #67
    redarmyblues
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    That doesn't even make any sense. How exactly do you 'rock' anyone like a wheel of any sort?

    You better ask Bob Dylan he wrote those lyrics.


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    whisky_galore
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    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    Yes, and it has to be a certain type of phony country. Not real country.

    There are variations of 'faux' country in Australia and bizarrely, Sweden and Germany!


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    #69
    whisky_galore
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    redarmyblues wrote: »
    You better ask Bob Dylan he wrote those lyrics.

    Would have expected better...Must be his 'Ireland's Call' so.


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    #70
    redarmyblues
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Would have expected better...Must be his 'Ireland's Call' so.

    It may originally come to from Big Bill Broonzy way back in the 20's, anyways Dylan's version which was an out-take from Pat Garret and Billy the Kid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AraR46cFHvs
    appeared on a bootleg, that was picked on by the singer from the Old Crow Medicine Show, however the Dylan version has only the chorus and a mumbled verse, which was adapted or rewritten by the OCMS. The OCMS version was picked up by other acts including Mumford and Sons in ever more saccharine versions that ultimately lead to the Nathan Carter cover. AFAIK the OCMS and Dylan share writing credits on that version.


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    #71
    Witchie
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    Am cringing at the thoughts of how half the country will be watching some of this shi*e on Saturday at half time in the Monaghan v Tyrone game. It is what is wrong with this country and why I loved being away for a few months. Now back to hearing feckin "hit the diff" and its ilk. Agggghhhh!


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    #72
    topper75
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    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    ... I'm pretty sure there are more fans of say Elvis or Sinatra in Ireland than of Derek Ryan. But RTE or TV3 never think of putting on a concert of these.

    There are. But the estates of Elvis and Frank aren't forking out to PR agencies here to ensure their material gets shoved onto the agenda.

    A tragedy in all of this for me is my beloved American country music gets lumped in with all that rubbish in public perception. People on this island end up with an aversion to the entire concept of country music when their ears have been poisoned so.


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    #73
    tipptom
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    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    That's precisely how I know about all these guys too. Relatives of mine back home in the midlands idolise these guys. Yes, they are intolerant of all other music forms. True, they would take it personally if you said their favorite was not your cup of tea.

    It is so easy to market any old rubbish to such audiences. First off, this is not real country music. Secondly, all they have to do is play it on radio or Tubridy and fans marvel at it. Such people do not stop to think for themselves.

    I call it boyfolk for good reason. Like the boybands are marketed to impressionable young girls and (in a more sinister way) like the recruitment of suicide bombers and the popularity among some for repressive religion a la ISIS and Taliban, bad Irish country music taps into the kind of audience that do not question what is officially promoted. Makes one think what if Derek Ryan or Mike Denver instructed all their fans to fight in Iraq, jump off a cliff, rob a bank, crash a car, etc.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    I think it would be a peace of pi*s to get my young fella to dye his hair,backing band and a recycled pop song from the 70s(Osmond etc),stick a bit of a twang on it, put ad in the Sunday World and away we go on tour.
    I do the Col Tom and collect the readys,100 a piece for the boys,30 for the lad an an aul wan thrown in.
    Louis Walsh has been doing it for years and started of with country bands.
    Anyone know of a good second hand Transit for sale.


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    #74
    The Backwards Man
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    Oh hit the diff and pray, that she goes all the way!


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    #75
    tipptom
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    BuilderPlumber wrote: »
    Yes, and it has to be a certain type of phony country. Not real country. But what I call boyfolk: a mix of boyband and other pop with modern, commercialised American country. Combined with this, there needs to be localised, name dropping songs full of references to Irish local places. The idea is to first appeal to the local types who love their town mentioned and then it takes off from there.

    I think what keeps all this boyfolk or whatever you want to call it alive is the gigging. Social dancing as they call these events where it is played. In other words, dance and drink and a good night out disguise poor music.

    I had the misfortune to be at a couple of these with friends who are mad into this type of night out. One thing I can say: you got to love weddings to even remotely like these events. What one sees are wedding bands who sing pop based country in the style Ronan Keating imitating an 'Oklahoma' accent.
    I don't think a lot of these people drink much if anything at all,they all travel long distances and its mostly all about the music,dancing and socialising.


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    #76
    BuilderPlumber
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    topper75 wrote: »
    There are. But the estates of Elvis and Frank aren't forking out to PR agencies here to ensure their material gets shoved onto the agenda.

    A tragedy in all of this for me is my beloved American country music gets lumped in with all that rubbish in public perception. People on this island end up with an aversion to the entire concept of country music when their ears have been poisoned so.

    This is precisely the problem. All of this needs to change. RTE and TV3 and other media outlets are supposed to provide material for the people and not to support some PR agency and boyfolk or boyband acts.

    Proper American country music, especially the early material, is excellent music. It is much much closer to blues than to the country pop of today. It is time that this boyfolk or whatever you decide to call it rubbish receives less support and publicity and that fans of other music get a look in.


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    #77
    foggy_lad
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    galljga1 wrote: »
    Rock me baby like a wagon wheel.
    I'll rock the wheels off all their wagons!
    Ruu wrote: »
    Bastids made them smaller too.
    I'm gettin sick just thinking what they did to the chocolate..........:eek::mad:


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