Cricket World Cup Qualifiers

KevIRL · 06-03-2018 4:11pm

Real pity for Ireland that Afghanistan didn't get there. Even taking a pessimistic view that we lose to the windies it would have meant ourselves, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan and Scotland going into the super 6 on four points. With all of those still having to play the West Indies. We'd then have a chance of qualifying by winning two of our super six games with NRR likely deciding things.

As things stand, if we do lose to the windies we will have to win all three of our super six games.

Course we could just go and beat the west Indies, who are our favourite of the established nations to play in terms of victories..

minitrue · 06-03-2018 4:17pm

I've failed to find the regulations for this but everything is suggesting I was wrong and the tie was possible. There must be regulations somewhere out there for this though, anyone got a link?

Deise Vu · 06-03-2018 4:19pm

KevIRL wrote: »

Real pity for Ireland that Afghanistan didn't get there. Even taking a pessimistic view that we lose to the windies it would have meant ourselves, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan and Scotland going into the super 6 on four points. With all of those still having to play the West Indies. We'd then have a chance of qualifying by winning two of our super six games with NRR likely deciding things.

As things stand, if we do lose to the windies we will have to win all three of our super six games.

Course we could just go and beat the west Indies, who are our favourite of the established nations to play in terms of victories..

With just the results between the three qualifiers to count it would actually be us on two points if we lose to the Windies. Afghanistan will now have 0 points and are out of it really and the winners of Zimbabwe / Scotland will have 4 and the other 2. It would have been nice if all of Group 2 came in with only 2 pts but we have our work cut out now. Maybe we'll get an early St Patrick's day present on Saturday!

Joe_ Public · 06-03-2018 4:27pm

minitrue wrote: »

I've failed to find the regulations for this but everything is suggesting I was wrong and the tie was possible. There must be regulations somewhere out there for this though, anyone got a link?

Not sure, sorry, but have always been on the understanding that a super over came into play in the event of a tie. A tie would only apply in the event of a no result. Cant state that for a fact though.

KevIRL · 06-03-2018 4:34pm

Deise Vu wrote: »

With just the results between the three qualifiers to count it would actually be us on two points if we lose to the Windies. Afghanistan will now have 0 points and are out of it really and the winners of Zimbabwe / Scotland will have 4 and the other 2. It would have been nice if all of Group 2 came in with only 2 pts but we have our work cut out now. Maybe we'll get an early St Patrick's day present on Saturday!

Sorry, yeah sub in 2 points for 4 in my post.

minitrue · 06-03-2018 4:39pm

Never underestimate the power of the weather to cause chaos and Ireland Vs West Indies games have a bit of a track record of not happening

Saturday in Harare looks decidedly dodgy and a good load of rain on Sunday in Bulawayo followed up by some more rain on Monday could also have it in doubt. Might yet see Ireland, West Indies, Zimbabwe and Scotland all go through to the Super 6s with 3 points and Afghanistan and the Dutch 0 (assuming West Indies beat the Dutch in Harare on the Monday which looks safer).

KevIRL · 06-03-2018 4:40pm

minitrue wrote: »

Never underestimate the power of the weather to cause chaos and Ireland Vs West Indies games have a bit of a track record of not happening Saturday in Harare looks decidedly dodgy and a good load of rain on Sunday in Bulawayo followed up by some more rain on Monday could also have it in doubt. Might yet see Ireland, West Indies, Zimbabwe and Scotland all go through to the Super 6s with 3 points and Afghanistan and the Dutch 0 (assuming West Indies beat the Dutch in Harare on the Monday which looks safer).

Great point. Weather still very likely to play a factor in this tournament. Hopefully in our favour.

minitrue · 06-03-2018 4:44pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Not sure, sorry, but have always been on the understanding that a super over came into play in the event of a tie. A tie would only apply in the event of a no result. Cant state that for a fact though.

Standard ODI regulations do not include a Super Over and official ICC tables list N/R and tied separately so I'd be fairly certain now there's no super overs except perhaps in the final. Of course not all these games are ODIs and the ODI regulations mention a points system with bonus points (though I guess they might be ignored on the grounds there aren't 3 or 4 ODI sides in this, there are 8, Nepal and the Netherlands the exceptions) so there must be specific regulations for this competition hiding somewhere.

Joe_ Public · 06-03-2018 4:59pm

minitrue wrote: »

Standard ODI regulations do not include a Super Over and official ICC tables list N/R and tied separately so I'd be fairly certain now there's no super overs except perhaps in the final. Of course not all these games are ODIs and the ODI regulations mention a points system with bonus points (though I guess they might be ignored on the grounds there aren't 3 or 4 ODI sides in this, there are 8, Nepal and the Netherlands the exceptions) so there must be specific regulations for this competition hiding somewhere.

Yes am sure there are, they are probably buried on the ICC website somewhere or in the media section, maybe need a special log in to access them. I thought there was a system in place for the super over at previous World Cups but probably only, as you suggest, for the later stages.

Collie D · 07-03-2018 1:49pm

I know it's early days but have a few minutes of free time on my hands so thought I'd do up a Super Six table as it would stand right now. Results that count are as follows

Scotland 256/3 (47.2) beating Afghanistan 255 all out (49.4) by 7 wickets
West Indies 357/4 (50.0) beating United Arab Emirates 297/6 (50.0) by 60 runs
Zimbabwe 196 all out (43.0) beating Afghanistan 194 all out (49.3) by 2 runs

Position Team Played Won Lost No Result/Tied Net Run Rate Points
1 West Indies 1 1 0 0 1.200 2
2 Scotland 1 1 0 0 0.308 2
3 Zimbabwe 1 1 0 0 0.040 2
4 Ireland 0 0 0 0 0.000 0
5 Afghanistan 2 0 2 0 -0.348 0
6 United Arab Emirates 1 0 1 0 -1.200 0

Will update again after tomorrow's games.

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 8:13am

Collie D wrote: »

I know it's early days but have a few minutes of free time on my hands so thought I'd do up a Super Six table as it would stand right now. Results that count are as follows

Scotland 256/3 (47.2) beating Afghanistan 255 all out (49.4) by 7 wickets
West Indies 357/4 (50.0) beating United Arab Emirates 297/6 (50.0) by 60 runs
Zimbabwe 196 all out (43.0) beating Afghanistan 194 all out (49.3) by 2 runs

Position Team Played Won Lost No Result/Tied Net Run Rate Points
1 West Indies 1 1 0 0 1.200 2
2 Scotland 1 1 0 0 0.308 2
3 Zimbabwe 1 1 0 0 0.040 2
4 Ireland 0 0 0 0 0.000 0
5 Afghanistan 2 0 2 0 -0.348 0
6 United Arab Emirates 1 0 1 0 -1.200 0

Will update again after tomorrow's games.

Much more likely that the Netherlands will get through and our good result against them carry through as well

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 8:17am

Netherlands* v UAE
Hong Kong* v Afghanistan
Nepal* v Scotland
PNG* v west Indies

*= Batting first.

That's today's games. All likely to be pretty one sided. The Netherlands v UAE of most interest to Ireland. Would prefer a Netherlands win. With any luck rain might affect some of the other 3 games, as it's the only way to see any of the bigger teams dropping points.

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 9:21am

Scotland bowling v impressive again and they in complete control of their match.

Netherlands 54/1(11)
Hong Kong 38/1 (8)
PNG 33/1 (7)

Edit - Hong Kong now 51/3 after 12

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 10:35am

Netherlands not having it all their own way 117/5 after 31

Hong Kong 94/4 after 24

Nepal 100/6 after 28

PNG 120/4 after 28

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 10:57am

Netherlands in trouble at 138/6 v UAE. Not great for us

Collie D · 08-03-2018 10:58am

Papua New Guinea 151/5 after 33.4 overs the most likely potential favourable result? Although still unlikely.

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 11:12am

Collie D wrote: »

Papua New Guinea 151/5 after 33.4 overs the most likely potential favourable result? Although still unlikely.

6 down now. WI won't lose that.

Also unlikely but Hong Kong at 158/4 v Afghanistan a better prospect.

Most attention on the Dutch tho. Now 153/7(40.4)

Collie D · 08-03-2018 11:43am

PNG all out for 200 after a decent last wicket stand.

Netherlands all out for 176

Nepal still hanging in there after an early battering

Hong Kong doing well on 188/6 with 27 balls to go

Joe_ Public · 08-03-2018 11:50am

How good are UAE? Seem quite competitive on recent showings anyway.

Collie D · 08-03-2018 12:01pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

How good are UAE? Seem quite competitive on recent showings anyway.

Ranked 13th in the world just behind us

Joe_ Public · 08-03-2018 12:07pm

Collie D wrote: »

Ranked 13th in the world just nehind us

I know we’ve had a few comfortable wins over them recently but just wondering if they’re improving here. Will be a vital match on Monday it looks like, though I imagine we’ll be short enough favs for it.

Collie D · 08-03-2018 12:17pm

HK finished on 241 and an early loss of wicket for WI...false hope springs eternal

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 12:19pm

Really surprised at how poor the Dutch have been today and in the tournament

Barney92 · 08-03-2018 12:22pm

West Indies 2 down already. 16/2. They rested Gayle and now both openers are out.

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 12:24pm

Afghanistan have a target of 242 to win. Seems like a par score there from Kong Kong

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 12:29pm

UAE one down 15/1

Joe_ Public · 08-03-2018 12:30pm

Not sure but would a Windies loss make any appreciable difference or would it be bad for us in a way？

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 12:32pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Not sure but would a Windies loss make any appreciable difference or would it be bad for us in a way？

Wouldn't make a difference really but would mean we face a wounded animal in two days time

Collie D · 08-03-2018 12:34pm

Scottish batsmen not exactly setting the world alight. 5 runs off 20 balls although a low target to chase

Joe_ Public · 08-03-2018 12:35pm

KevIRL wrote: »

Wouldn't make a difference really but would mean we face a wounded animal in two days time

Yes, whatever chance of complacency will most likely have evaporated now.

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 12:49pm

Samuels out. WI now 53/3

lambayire · 08-03-2018 12:56pm

Make that 58-4

Barney92 · 08-03-2018 12:57pm

Four down now. Not sure how much it will help us given PNG losing to UAE, but it would certainly rattle WI.

Mysterypunter · 08-03-2018 12:57pm

Papua New Guinea? What are West Indies at?

Mysterypunter · 08-03-2018 1:00pm

Afghanistan 26-1, Chasing 242

Collie D · 08-03-2018 1:16pm

Only West Indies and Scotland hitting the required run rate in their chases. And the former may not have the wickets.

More interesting than the fixture list suggested.

VillaMad · 08-03-2018 1:44pm

Afghanistan are 57/3 chasing 242. They are really struggling this week.

UAE 83/3 chasing 177.

Scotland 72/3 chasing 150.

West Indies 101/4 chasing 201.

Barney92 · 08-03-2018 1:57pm

WI have steadied the ship 118/4. Holder and Hope batting well.

Afghanistan are not in the best way. Required run rate at 5.5 now. They can't afford to lose many more wickets or the run rate will shoot up.

Scotland 89/4. If Coetzer falls they could be in trouble.

UAE 85/4. They're behind the rate but the RRR is still under 4. Suri still in but has only scored 25 off 62 (1 four)

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 2:12pm

Afghans now 86/4

VillaMad · 08-03-2018 2:34pm

Scotland now 115/5. Should still win comfortably. Coezter 55 not out.

UAE and West Indies are both cruising to victory at the moment.

Afghanistan 100/4 and the run rate is above 6 now.

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 2:57pm

Afghanistan 123/4 after 33. RRR 7.0

Barney92 · 08-03-2018 3:06pm

Coetzer just about bringing Scotland home. 6 then 4 and then only need 3 to win.

Holder with his highest ODI score at almost a run a ball. West Indies win, convincing enough in the end, but a brittle enough top order showing.

UAE would truly need to collapse for Netherlands to win. That's a shame because it means our high run rate from the first win is unlikely to count.

Afghanistan struggling.

Barney92 · 08-03-2018 3:08pm

132/5, Afghanistan need a miracle or two to win this. Then another few miracles to qualify.

VillaMad · 08-03-2018 3:12pm

Scotland through to the super sixes.

Will be a difficult side to beat. They seem to always have one lad who plays a big knock somewhere.

UAE will win which means almost curtains now for the Netherlands World Cup hopes.

VillaMad · 08-03-2018 3:13pm

Afghanistan will somehow still be in the competition even if they lose to Hong Kong as a result of Scotland beating Nepal, although they will need results to go their way.

Collie D · 08-03-2018 3:30pm

VillaMad wrote: »

Afghanistan will somehow still be in the competition even if they lose to Hong Kong as a result of Scotland beating Nepal, although they will need results to go their way.

Will be out if they lose today (seems likely) and HK beat Nepal

KevIRL · 08-03-2018 3:31pm

VillaMad wrote: »

Scotland through to the super sixes.

Will be a difficult side to beat. They seem to always have one lad who plays a big knock somewhere.

UAE will win which means almost curtains now for the Netherlands World Cup hopes.

On the other hand Afghanistan an even trickier side to beat and all but out now.

The Dutch losing is a great pity alright

Mysterypunter · 08-03-2018 3:49pm

Rain in the Hong Kong v Afghanistan match. Afghan 167-7 (43). Miles behind

minitrue · 08-03-2018 3:50pm

Collie D wrote: »

Will be out if they lose today (seems likely) and HK beat Nepal

That would put them out.
If Nepal beat HK though and lost to Afghanistan while HK also lose to Zim that could leave them all on 2 points and Afghanistan probably getting through on NRR!

And the rain stop play with Afghanistan 35 runs runs behind DLS (I think).

Guffy · 08-03-2018 4:33pm

minitrue wrote: »

That would put them out.
If Nepal beat HK though and lost to Afghanistan while HK also lose to Zim that could leave them all on 2 points and Afghanistan probably getting through on NRR!

And the rain stop play with Afghanistan 35 runs runs behind DLS (I think).

Is that game over with afghan loss or is there still a chance of them resuming?

If anyone would mind obliging me... how do the bookies treat a DL result? Was hitting HK pretty hard in running any time it went over evens. Afghans have been cack

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