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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • #202
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    buffalo wrote: »
    Big chance to give feedback for the Greater Dublin Area to the NTA:
    The National Transport Authority (NTA) has commenced review of the 2016 – 2035 Transport Strategy. This review will assess how the current plan is being implemented and will help guide a strategy update that will set out a transport infrastructure and service investment framework for Dublin, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow until 2042.

    The NTA is now calling on you to help shape the strategic objectives and inform policy direction.

    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/consultations/greater-dublin-area-transport-strategy/

    Today's the last day for this too!


  • #203
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,658 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Council plans for transport

    https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/chapter_5_transport_and_mobility.pdf


  • #204
    buffalo
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    As far as I know (I haven't been in the area in over a year at this point), this is where the off-road cycle track - parallel to a main road - crosses an estate entrance. DMURS says the cycle track should get priority, SDCC seem to think otherwise:

    https://twitter.com/JTUrbanDesign/status/1353616168259608577

    wtaf


  • #205
    loyatemu
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    that's unbelievable, and frankly dangerous, some cyclist is going to plough into those bollards.

    Hopefully Eamo's new council cycling czars will have the authority to veto hare-brained designs like this, because whoever designed has not only never ridden a bike, they appear to have never seen a bike.


  • #206
    strandroad
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    Am I reading the Shanganagh Road Improvement plan right? The road widening is also to make space for a 1.5m cycleway from Shankill roundabout to Cromlech Fields?


  • #207
    ted1
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    buffalo wrote: »
    As far as I know (I haven't been in the area in over a year at this point), this is where the off-road cycle track - parallel to a main road - crosses an estate entrance. DMURS says the cycle track should get priority, SDCC seem to think otherwise:

    https://twitter.com/JTUrbanDesign/status/1353616168259608577

    wtaf
    It reminds me of McDonalds


  • #208
    ted1
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    strandroad wrote: »
    Am I reading the Shanganagh Road Improvement plan right? The road widening is also to make space for a 1.5m cycleway from Shankill roundabout to Cromlech Fields?
    There’s lots of apartments planned for both sides of the shanganah road so wouldn’t surprise me


  • #209
    strandroad
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    It would be a great link alright. Is there a chance of the council extending it all the way to connect with the Church Road cycling paths? Or through BusConnects maybe? I can't locate anything pertinent online.


  • #210
    Brian?
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    That Utrecht video is like a different planet. You notice in Holland that everyone is tall, no one is fat, and there's no helmets or high vis.

    I live in Eindhoven myself. I'm 1m89, 6ft 2ish in old money, and I'm not tall. I blend into a crowd nicely. I regularly meet women as tall or taller than me. Took some getting used to.

    Eindhoven is a cyclists paradise. There are parts of the city where a short journey is much quicker by bike. In my 10km commute to work, I share the road with cars for about 100m.

    The reason it's so good is that the bike lanes are planned first, then the bus lanes and then if there's room the car lanes. It's the only way to do it right.

    The weather here is as bad as Ireland or worse sometimes. Yet people are so in the habit of cycling it's irrelevant

    they/them/theirs


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  • #211
    silverharp
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    probably an evolutionary adaptation to all the flooding in Holland

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #212
    Seaswimmer
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    strandroad wrote: »
    It would be a great link alright. Is there a chance of the council extending it all the way to connect with the Church Road cycling paths? Or through BusConnects maybe? I can't locate anything pertinent online.

    Well once it gets to Cromlech fields it is only about 100m to get to the cycle path through the park (not sure what it is called) which may/will be part of the Park to Park route proposed by DLR as part of active travel project. This will bring you over to Wyatville road and into Kilbogget Park. You could turn right up Wyattville road to link up with the Church road cycle paths. I cant remember if the cycle paths run the full length of Wyattville Road. They certainly go as far as the turn off for Tesco heading north.


  • #213
    strandroad
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    I know what you mean Seaswimmer but the wide paths in the park do not connect to Wyatville Road directly, and Wyatville is not segregated. Also it's still a detour for someone who just wants to go from Shankill to Sandycove for example. Linking Cromlech to Church Road would make it a straightforward segregated route (I'm assuming Shanganagh would be segregated but I don't know for sure).


  • #214
    ted1
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    strandroad wrote: »
    I know what you mean Seaswimmer but the wide paths in the park do not connect to Wyatville Road directly, and Wyatville is not segregated. Also it's still a detour for someone who just wants to go from Shankill to Sandycove for example. Linking Cromlech to Church Road would make it a straightforward segregated route (I'm assuming Shanganagh would be segregated but I don't know for sure).
    You don’t need to use wyattville use the path that goes through the fields in Ballybrack. Also there plan is to use the path along shanganah cliffs are exit through Bayview


    See maps here : https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/23.10.2020_loughlinstown_park-bayview-coast.pdf

    https://dlrcoco.citizenspace.com/infrastructure-climate-change/dlr-safe-walking-cycling-routes-consultation/supporting_documents/Active%20School%20Travel_Park%20to%20Park%20Route.pdf


    I think they could CPO some land at the end of strand road and build a cycle lane all the way from holy child to shanganah park all they need is to put a path where the red line is. And you’ll have a good off road route

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=541347&stc=1&d=1611928591


  • #215
    strandroad
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    That off road path on the coast would be great (and wildly popular I'm sure). But still, for people who actually live or access amenities on Shanganagh Road and Church Road that gap from Cromlech to Wyatville/Church crossing will be painful. It's a lot of unnecessary meandering to cycle around.


  • #216
    strandroad
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    ted1 wrote: »
    You don’t need yo yo wyattville use the path that goes through the fields in Ballybrack.

    What do you mean here Ted1? Say you want to cycle from Shankill to Sandycove with an errand in Ballybrack village. From Cromlech up there's no lane unless you make a big detour through the park (segregated) to Wyatville Road (not even segregated).


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  • #217
    ted1
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    strandroad wrote: »
    What do you mean here Ted1? Say you want to cycle from Shankill to Sandycove with an errand in Ballybrack village. From Cromlech up there's no lane unless you make a big detour through the park (segregated) to Wyatville Road (not even segregated).

    Going that route yes, you are on the road. From the village I’d generally go over the hill either straight up killiney hill road or down military road and up the vico


  • #218
    strandroad
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    ted1 wrote: »
    Going that route yes, you are on the road. From the village I’d generally go over the hill either straight up killiney hill road or down military road and up the vico

    Agreed, what's missing is a safe link for everyday shoppers, kids, families, a straightforward segregated route from Shankill into Dun Laoghaire.

    Actually we're getting there, I'm delighted with the Shanganagh Road improvements, it's just this one piece that will be missing now. And then what to do from Sallynoggin rdbt onwards.


  • #219
    ted1
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    strandroad wrote: »
    Agreed, what's missing is a safe link for everyday shoppers, kids, families, a straightforward segregated route from Shankill into Dun Laoghaire.

    Actually we're getting there, I'm delighted with the Shanganagh Road improvements, it's just this one piece that will be missing now. And then what to do from Sallynoggin rdbt onwards.

    I’ve been known to drag my 5 year old up and over killiney hill on his bike. Makes for quite a workout.
    I think most families etc would struggle so the only real option is church road to go around the hill.


  • #220
    strandroad
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    ted1 wrote: »
    I’ve been known to drag my 5 year old up and over killiney hill on his bike. Makes for quite a workout.
    I think most families etc would struggle so the only real option is church road to go around the hill.

    Yes I'm not sure if there is any point in cycleways up there, these roads are often dark walled fume filled tunnels too, the residents sure love their 2.0 diesel mercs. But up Shanganagh Road past Cromlech through the village is easy enough I would think?


  • #221
    Peregrine
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    It's been three weeks since the Sandymount opponents declared at the Lord Mayor's forum that they would submit a section 5 referral to An Bord Pleanála. Or rather that they instructed their professional advisors to do so. Does anyone have any idea what happened? I can't find it on the weekly new cases list for any of the past three weeks.


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  • #222
    Larbre34
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    As of this evening, the STC group have raised just under €12,000 of their 20k target warchest to fund the Bord Pleanála action.

    Donations are coming in between €50 and 500 per donor. So, whatever happens, don't expect to see the cycletrack on one lane of the road in place anytime soon.

    I daresay if it comes to it that the locals need to bring an injunction against the City Council, to prevent them from moving a muscle on site until BP issues a determination, they will do precisely that.


  • #223
    eeeee
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    "I don't care what it costs the environment, the cleaner air for local families, future generations, or that it's against all best international practice, I am not driving the Disco round any more one way systems"

    The privilege. I'm kind of impressed. it's like trying to ban computers cos of the effect they'll have on pen and paper. Or hold back the tide.
    The sheer gaul of that level of privilege never ceases to amaze me.


  • #224
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    eeeee wrote: »
    "I don't care what it costs the environment, the cleaner air for local families, future generations, or that it's against all best international practice, I am not driving the Disco round any more one way systems"

    The privilege. I'm kind of impressed. it's like trying to ban computers cos of the effect they'll have on pen and paper. Or hold back the tide.
    The sheer gaul of that level of privilege never ceases to amaze me.

    You're dealing with people who can afford to make donations of €500 and €1000 to a legal challenge without even hearing a legal argument. They're mounting a legal challenge and that's that. The average donation is €151, the most frequent donation is €100 and the highest donation is €1000. I wish I could afford to give €100 to spurious legal challenges.

    It is revealing though. It's clear now they don't actually have lawyers or planners advising them like they claimed they did. Well, they claimed they had professional advisors. Maybe they're professionals at something else.


  • #225
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Only matched by the general level of naivety around how much people are willing to put up with. Its not about privilege, its about the quality of life people have invested in for themselves and the neighbourhood and defending that from being turned into a dodgy experiment.

    Putting a cycleway on Strand Road won't do one damn thing to reduce emissions or lessen the chance of long term flooding of low lying coastal areas. Only switching the national fleet of ICE vehicles to ZE options, reducing fossil fuel energy generation and rebalancing our diet, all over the World, will do that.

    People are right to reject an increase in traffic on the back roads of Sandymount and Irishtown, right to reject the consequent drop in safety for their kids and in air quality locally.

    There is a win-win-win solution to this issue and that the City Council have to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing it, as they will eventually be, is a sad indictment of them and their executive.


  • #226
    buffalo
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Putting a cycleway on Strand Road won't do one damn thing to reduce emissions or lessen the chance of long term flooding of low lying coastal areas. Only switching the national fleet of ICE vehicles to ZE options, reducing fossil fuel energy generation and rebalancing our diet, all over the World, will do that.

    I don't understand this statement. You think reducing road space for motor traffic and creating safe, good quality cycling infrastructure won't result in a single person changing a single journey from car to bike?

    I think you're confusing 'one damn thing' with 'everything'. You can start with one thing, and hope to end with everything, but if you don't start with one thing, you'll never ever get to everything.


  • #227
    mirrormatrix
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    In fairness, there's an option here for them to keep the two way road and have a cycle path. It's just a lot more expensive.


  • #228
    Thelonious Monk
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    mirrormatrix wrote: »
    In fairness, there's an option here for them to keep the two way road and have a cycle path. It's just a lot more expensive.

    But doesn't that mean building on a protected site? I'm not sure it is an option.


  • #229
    mirrormatrix
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    Oh, I didn't realise that.


  • #230
    Thelonious Monk
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    mirrormatrix wrote: »
    Oh, I didn't realise that.

    I'm pretty sure Dublin Bay is a Unesco biosphere site, so you can't just build things on the other side of the seawall.


  • #231
    magicbastarder
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Putting a cycleway on Strand Road won't do one damn thing to reduce emissions or lessen the chance of long term flooding of low lying coastal areas. Only switching the national fleet of ICE vehicles to ZE options, reducing fossil fuel energy generation and rebalancing our diet, all over the World, will do that.
    here's a radical thought - what if it's not *just* about CO2?


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  • #232
    TheW1zard
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure Dublin Bay is a Unesco biosphere site, so you can't just build things on the other side of the seawall.

    "Composed of 686 biosphere reserves in 122 countries, including 20 transboundary sites, the World Network of Biosphere Reserves (WNBR) of the MAB Programme consists of a dynamic and interactive network of sites of excellence. It works to foster the harmonious integration of people and nature for sustainable development through participatory dialogue, knowledge sharing, poverty reduction, human well-being improvements, respect for cultural values and by improving society’s ability to cope with climate change."

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/epa-finds-waste-water-discharge-in-dublin-bay-caused-by-overload-1.3819295

    What correlates more with the description, a cycle track or the link!


  • #233
    Thelonious Monk
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    Yeah I wish they'd get their act together with that treatment site, but that's for another discussion.


  • #234
    Fred Cryton
    Registered Users Posts: 990 ✭✭✭Fred Cryton


    buffalo wrote: »
    I think you're confusing 'one damn thing' with 'everything'. You can start with one thing, and hope to end with everything, but if you don't start with one thing, you'll never ever get to everything.


    Problem is that each step along the route you want will result in a lower standard of living. So we're goign to resist at each step. Cycle lanes just result in misery for drivers. Look at the weather over the last few weeks - Aren't you lucky to have the Covid excuse or you would have to cycle in that?


  • #235
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    Problem is that each step along the route you want will result in a lower standard of living. So we're goign to resist at each step.
    How does cycling create a lower standard of living?
    Surely people driving for several hours each week in traffic congestion creates a lower standard of living?
    Surely the toxic fumes in city centre air reduces the standard of living for those who are forced to breathe it in?
    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    So we're goign to resist at each step. Cycle lanes just result in misery for drivers.
    How does a cycle lane cause misery to drivers? Surely traffic volumes create a misery?
    Can you identify one example of drivers being forced into misery because of a cycle lane?
    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    Look at the weather over the last few weeks - Aren't you lucky to have the Covid excuse or you would have to cycle in that?
    What about it? Many people were still out cycling and walking. As the phrase goes "there's no bad weather, only bad clothing"!


  • #236
    buffalo
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    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    Problem is that each step along the route you want will result in a lower standard of living. So we're goign to resist at each step. Cycle lanes just result in misery for drivers. Look at the weather over the last few weeks - Aren't you lucky to have the Covid excuse or you would have to cycle in that?

    Hi Fred, welcome back to the cycle forum. Cycle lanes don't result in misery for drivers, you'll find a lot of drivers are quite miserable without them! :pac: Plenty of roads around the country entirely dedicated to motor traffic that are regularly full of miserable drivers every morning and evening.

    You won't be surprised that many of us cycle in all weather, and we'd really appreciate having some safe infrastructure while we do so. :)

    As for lower standard of living... I'm not sure that having a cycle lane on the road is a lower standard of living than having the road returned to the sea? I mean, it's arguable that the cycle lane will result in a lower standard of living at all - it will improve air quality, people's physical health, mental well-being, increase property prices...


  • #237
    Thelonious Monk
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    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    Problem is that each step along the route you want will result in a lower standard of living. So we're goign to resist at each step. Cycle lanes just result in misery for drivers. Look at the weather over the last few weeks - Aren't you lucky to have the Covid excuse or you would have to cycle in that?

    I've been out on my bike to the shops and jogging most days all winter. So don't know what you're on about weather wise.


  • #238
    ted1
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    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    Problem is that each step along the route you want will result in a lower standard of living. So we're goign to resist at each step. Cycle lanes just result in misery for drivers. Look at the weather over the last few weeks - Aren't you lucky to have the Covid excuse or you would have to cycle in that?

    Lovely morning for cycling. Many cycle 365 days. I drove around the country for years as a field engineer. As soon as I got an office job I started to cycle. As I find sitting inside metal box just misery. If you feel the misery too , then get out of the car or call the samaratians

    As for standard of life. That’ll be much improved. Less traffic and pollution in front of houses. Safe accessible routes for local non drivers to get to school, work, shops.
    Or do think that the demographic of residents is victor meldrews. With no young people or older people who don’t want to drive


  • #239
    MojoMaker
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    Stay strong Dublin City Council.


  • #240
    DoraDelite
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    Is it odd that I picture the characters Charles O'Carroll Kelly and Hennessy as the main protagonists whenever I see something from the STC group, especially their latest "fundraiser"?


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  • #241
    MojoMaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,747 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Fred Cryton wrote: »
    Cycle lanes just result in misery for drivers.

    When there's no cycle lanes drivers seem even more pissed off :pac:

    Be honest now, what STC (COCK and Hennessy) really mean is: "Cyclists just result in misery for drivers".


  • #242
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    MojoMaker wrote: »
    When there's no cycle lanes drivers seem even more pissed off :pac:

    Be honest now, what STC (COCK and Hennessy) really mean is: "Cyclists just result in misery for drivers".

    The issue I have with the proposed cycle route, is that for a lot of people in South Dublin, that is our way to the airport.

    We have three choices basically, the M50, the coast road or through town. The M50 is, well, the M50, going though town is already a nightmare and that only leaves the coast road, a road that can also be an absolute nightmare especially when there is something on at the point.

    And no, cycling to the airport isn’t really an option.


  • #243
    strandroad
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    Aegir wrote: »
    The issue I have with the proposed cycle route, is that for a lot of people in South Dublin, that is our way to the airport.

    We have three choices basically, the M50, the coast road or through town. The M50 is, well, the M50, going though town is already a nightmare and that only leaves the coast road, a road that can also be an absolute nightmare especially when there is something on at the point.

    And no, cycling to the airport isn’t really an option.

    Dart to Connolly + Airlink 747 is there for you too.


  • #244
    Thelonious Monk
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    You drive to Macken St and over the new bridge, might be quicker sometimes or might take an extra 5 minutes, not the end of the world.


  • #245
    eeeee
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    Aegir wrote: »
    The issue I have with the proposed cycle route, is that for a lot of people in South Dublin, that is our way to the airport.

    We have three choices basically, the M50, the coast road or through town. The M50 is, well, the M50, going though town is already a nightmare and that only leaves the coast road, a road that can also be an absolute nightmare especially when there is something on at the point.

    And no, cycling to the airport isn’t really an option.

    The Rock road and the 24 hour Aircoach are there. And cycling to the airport is perfectly doable, I've done it.


  • #246
    ted1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,658 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Aegir wrote: »
    The issue I have with the proposed cycle route, is that for a lot of people in South Dublin, that is our way to the airport.

    We have three choices basically, the M50, the coast road or through town. The M50 is, well, the M50, going though town is already a nightmare and that only leaves the coast road, a road that can also be an absolute nightmare especially when there is something on at the point.

    And no, cycling to the airport isn’t really an option.

    I cycle to the airport daily from south Dublin. It’s a good option.
    If you are going to the airport , do you think they should accommodate your occasional used route instead of providing safe infrastructure people would use Daily? Or you could use Merrion road and then through Sandymount or use the Samuel Beckett bridge


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  • #247
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    eeeee wrote: »
    The Rock road and the 24 hour Aircoach are there. And cycling to the airport is perfectly doable, I've done it.

    It isn’t really when you are travelling, or picking up/dropping off elderly relatives.

    I use the air coach regularly (at least I did back in the days of going places) and the switch from the coast road to going over the Becket bridge already added thirty minutes to the journey. That was without every other driver heading that way using it as well.

    The thing is, that road is a bypass. It’s where cars should go to keep them out of the villages. Making it one way will just push traffic to where it isn’t supposed to go.


  • #248
    Peregrine
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    Aegir wrote: »
    The issue I have with the proposed cycle route, is that for a lot of people in South Dublin, that is our way to the airport.

    We have three choices basically, the M50, the coast road or through town. The M50 is, well, the M50, going though town is already a nightmare and that only leaves the coast road, a road that can also be an absolute nightmare especially when there is something on at the point.

    And no, cycling to the airport isn’t really an option.

    How many people driving on Strand Road are going to the airport? Probably a tiny %.

    It's not really a factor at the moment since there's practically no international travel. By the time international travel is back in a large scale, public transport will be back to full capacity too. Business travel will probably never recover to 2019 levels so most people who drive to the airport regularly won't have to anymore.

    The remaining small number of people making that trip once or twice a year on Strand Road can use public transport or take the M50.

    What's wrong with the M50?


  • #249
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    Peregrine wrote: »
    How many people driving on Strand Road are going to the airport? Probably a tiny %.

    It's not really a factor at the moment since there's practically no international travel. By the time international travel is back in a large scale, public transport will be back to full capacity too. Business travel will probably never recover to 2019 levels so most people who drive to the airport regularly won't have to anymore.

    The remaining small number of people making that trip once or twice a year on Strand Road can use public transport or take the M50.

    What's wrong with the M50?

    I use it for the airport, but there is also a port, a large business park and the huge amounts of offices around the point and IFSC.

    I do cycle along this route as well on the days I fancy doing a loop around Howth.

    There is acres of space along that stretch and I would much rather see them utilise that than take up a lane and unless they do something to link it up with Blackrock park, then it is only going to dump cyclists back on to the Rock Road anyway. This is ignoring the rather large elephant in the room of north bound cyclists trying to turn right over the crossing.

    it was around 2006 that Bertie Ahern posed for a photo on Dun Laoghaire sea front to publicise the all new singing and dancing Sandycove to Sutton cycle way. If they had used those 15 years to actually do something constructive then we wouldn't be in this position, instead we have half arsed measures put in place so that a few councillors can pat themselves on the back.


  • #250
    magicbastarder
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    aren't there plans to increase the frequency on the dart line? i think i read that - at rush hour - the gates will actually be closed more than half the time. if that is the case, the argument about traffic being forced onto alternative routes is pretty much moot, no?


  • #251
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,363 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I think its fair to say the cycle track just got overtaken by events.

    An Bord Pleanála today granted permission for the demolition of existing buildings on the Roslyn Park site (junction of Newgrove Ave, Strand Road and Beach Road) and the building of a new primary and new secondary school in their place, to serve 1,450 pupils and 140 staff.

    We can have the conversation about travelling to school at a later date, because I know for certain that construction traffic for this massive development will need two-way access to the site and the only possible route is Strand Road / Beach Road.

    So, it really is 'build it on the Prom' or bust. And don't give me biosphere nonsense, the cycletrack would replace quite a bit of car parking inside the line of the stone wall, so sustainable objective achieved.


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