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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • #182
    cletus
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    I'm all for cycling and cycling infrastructure, but it doesn't make you any taller, and there's plenty of fat people on Holland


  • #183
    [Deleted User]
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    MojoMaker wrote: »
    That's in a while now and a wonderful resource it is.

    Anybody seen any data around how much traffic dropped off on that route, and - even better - any figures on conversions from motorised commuting to pedalling? Did the traffic simply divert? Was there hullabaloo from residents of Monkstown village etc?

    Must be hard to capture but would be interesting.


    Cheeky scooter from 3:20 in the clip above :)

    it is impossible to say until people are back working in offices.

    I live near the southern end of that stretch and as a driver it is a pain in the arse to be honest.

    From a cycling perspective, it is nowehere near as busy as it was when it was built, but Sandycove is obviously less busy in the winter except for a few die hards and they have always walked there, or in the case of the new generation of winter swimmers, dry robes on a bike don't work, so they have stuck to their 4x4s.


  • #184
    AndrewJRenko
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    Aegir wrote: »
    it is impossible to say until people are back working in offices.

    I live near the southern end of that stretch and as a driver it is a pain in the arse to be honest.

    From a cycling perspective, it is nowehere near as busy as it was when it was built, but Sandycove is obviously less busy in the winter except for a few die hards and they have always walked there, or in the case of the new generation of winter swimmers, dry robes on a bike don't work, so they have stuck to their 4x4s.

    I've seen a few people in Dryrobes on bikes. Last weekend one lady had some belt or strap around it.


  • #185
    eeeee
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    I've seen a few people in Dryrobes on bikes. Last weekend one lady had some belt or strap around it.




    What an excellent idea. Perfect post swim pedal home wear!


  • #186
    loyatemu
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    cletus wrote: »
    I'm all for cycling and cycling infrastructure, but it doesn't make you any taller, and there's plenty of fat people on Holland

    the Dutch are among the tallest people on earth - coincidence?

    (probably, yes).


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  • #187
    Thelonious Monk
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    cletus wrote: »
    I'm all for cycling and cycling infrastructure, but it doesn't make you any taller, and there's plenty of fat people on Holland

    The Dutch are the tallest in the world I think. And they're way down the EU overweight lists, you really notice it.


  • #188
    ted1
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    Good news (except for Labre and his car)

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DubCityCouncil/status/1351911395420491776


  • #189
    cletus
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    I'm not challenging the height of the Dutch nation, it was more the suggested correlation between that and cycling. The post was mostly tongue in cheek


  • #190
    [Deleted User]
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    The Dutch are the tallest in the world I think. And they're way down the EU overweight lists, you really notice it.

    When you live in a low flat country that could have a catastrophic flood, I guess being tall is part of natural selection.


  • #191
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,440 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    ted1 wrote: »
    Good news (except for Labre and his car)

    https://mobile.twitter.com/DubCityCouncil/status/1351911395420491776

    I'm absolutely in favour of this, its appropriate and will be brilliant for the City. I do think the local businesses will secure 24hr access for commercial deliveries ultimately. Also theres no comparison to be made between this and Strand Road.

    I see the BBC are reporting that the High Court in London has quashed the pandemic 'Streetspace' scheme implemented by the Mayor of London and TfL, as unlawful and against good planning. Certainly something that DCC should take note of.

    And less of the personal digs too please Ted, I can play that game if you'd like, but playing the man when you can't get near a ball only reflects badly on you.


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  • #192
    BabysCoffee
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    I'm absolutely in favour of this, its appropriate and will be brilliant for the City. I do think the local businesses will secure 24hr access for commercial deliveries ultimately. Also theres no comparison to be made between this and Strand Road.

    I see the BBC are reporting that the High Court in London has quashed the pandemic 'Streetspace' scheme implemented by the Mayor of London and TfL, as unlawful and against good planning. Certainly something that DCC should take note of.

    And less of the personal digs too please Ted, I can play that game if you'd like, but playing the man when you can't get near a ball only reflects badly on you.

    If 24 access for deliveries is given, delivery should be done in small electric cycle carts as done in pedestrianised areas like is done on mainland Europe


  • #193
    Macy0161
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    cletus wrote: »
    I'm not challenging the height of the Dutch nation, it was more the suggested correlation between that and cycling. The post was mostly tongue in cheek
    They need to get more aero ffs!


  • #194
    Larbre34
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    BabysCoffee wrote: »
    If 24 access for deliveries is given, delivery should be done in small electric cycle carts as done in pedestrianised areas like is done on mainland Europe

    Agreed.

    I do think something the City Council could turn their hand positively to is a 'break of bulk' plan for between the canals. There are too many larger vans and rigid trucks making deliveries on-street in the City centre. Now that electric vehicle tech is becoming a highly practical alternative, theres no reason a location on each side of the City couldn't be identified to deliver goods to for onward dispatch in smaller electric vehicles, though perhaps cycle carts might be a stretch.


  • #195
    Grassey
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    though perhaps cycle carts might be a stretch.


    Not seen these?

    2019/dhl-rolls-out-its-cubicycle-in-new-york-city-participating-in-new-pilot-program-to-test-the-use-of-cargo-bikes-to-alleviate-traffic-congestion.html

    Or

    https://www.environmentalleader.com/2020/05/dhl-electric-cargo-bikes-miami/


  • #196
    Larbre34
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    Very nice.

    Like Dublin Bikes, if they are a workable solution, they will find success.


  • #197
    ted1
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Agreed.

    I do think something the City Council could turn their hand positively to is a 'break of bulk' plan for between the canals. There are too many larger vans and rigid trucks making deliveries on-street in the City centre. Now that electric vehicle tech is becoming a highly practical alternative, theres no reason a location on each side of the City couldn't be identified to deliver goods to for onward dispatch in smaller electric vehicles, though perhaps cycle carts might be a stretch.


    Like this : https://fora.ie/freight-delivery-dublin-belfast-3994224-May2018/

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/fleet.ie/world-first-in-dublin-as-ups-dublin-city-council-innovate-to-reinvent-sustainable-last-mile-deliveries/%3famp


    https://cyclingindustry.news/irelands-an-post-to-roll-out-electric-cargo-bike-fleet-with-greenaer/


  • #198
    Seth Brundle
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    https://twitter.com/dublincycling/status/1352351941859430403


  • #199
    buffalo
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    buffalo wrote: »
    Big chance to give feedback for the Greater Dublin Area to the NTA:
    The National Transport Authority (NTA) has commenced review of the 2016 – 2035 Transport Strategy. This review will assess how the current plan is being implemented and will help guide a strategy update that will set out a transport infrastructure and service investment framework for Dublin, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow until 2042.

    The NTA is now calling on you to help shape the strategic objectives and inform policy direction.

    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/consultations/greater-dublin-area-transport-strategy/

    Today's the last day for this too!


  • #200
    ted1
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    Council plans for transport

    https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/chapter_5_transport_and_mobility.pdf


  • #201
    buffalo
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    As far as I know (I haven't been in the area in over a year at this point), this is where the off-road cycle track - parallel to a main road - crosses an estate entrance. DMURS says the cycle track should get priority, SDCC seem to think otherwise:

    https://twitter.com/JTUrbanDesign/status/1353616168259608577

    wtaf


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  • #202
    loyatemu
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    that's unbelievable, and frankly dangerous, some cyclist is going to plough into those bollards.

    Hopefully Eamo's new council cycling czars will have the authority to veto hare-brained designs like this, because whoever designed has not only never ridden a bike, they appear to have never seen a bike.


  • #203
    strandroad
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    Am I reading the Shanganagh Road Improvement plan right? The road widening is also to make space for a 1.5m cycleway from Shankill roundabout to Cromlech Fields?


  • #204
    ted1
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    buffalo wrote: »
    As far as I know (I haven't been in the area in over a year at this point), this is where the off-road cycle track - parallel to a main road - crosses an estate entrance. DMURS says the cycle track should get priority, SDCC seem to think otherwise:

    https://twitter.com/JTUrbanDesign/status/1353616168259608577

    wtaf
    It reminds me of McDonalds


  • #205
    ted1
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    strandroad wrote: »
    Am I reading the Shanganagh Road Improvement plan right? The road widening is also to make space for a 1.5m cycleway from Shankill roundabout to Cromlech Fields?
    There’s lots of apartments planned for both sides of the shanganah road so wouldn’t surprise me


  • #206
    strandroad
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    It would be a great link alright. Is there a chance of the council extending it all the way to connect with the Church Road cycling paths? Or through BusConnects maybe? I can't locate anything pertinent online.


  • #207
    Brian?
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    That Utrecht video is like a different planet. You notice in Holland that everyone is tall, no one is fat, and there's no helmets or high vis.

    I live in Eindhoven myself. I'm 1m89, 6ft 2ish in old money, and I'm not tall. I blend into a crowd nicely. I regularly meet women as tall or taller than me. Took some getting used to.

    Eindhoven is a cyclists paradise. There are parts of the city where a short journey is much quicker by bike. In my 10km commute to work, I share the road with cars for about 100m.

    The reason it's so good is that the bike lanes are planned first, then the bus lanes and then if there's room the car lanes. It's the only way to do it right.

    The weather here is as bad as Ireland or worse sometimes. Yet people are so in the habit of cycling it's irrelevant

    they/them/theirs


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  • #208
    silverharp
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    probably an evolutionary adaptation to all the flooding in Holland

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  • #209
    Seaswimmer
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    strandroad wrote: »
    It would be a great link alright. Is there a chance of the council extending it all the way to connect with the Church Road cycling paths? Or through BusConnects maybe? I can't locate anything pertinent online.

    Well once it gets to Cromlech fields it is only about 100m to get to the cycle path through the park (not sure what it is called) which may/will be part of the Park to Park route proposed by DLR as part of active travel project. This will bring you over to Wyatville road and into Kilbogget Park. You could turn right up Wyattville road to link up with the Church road cycle paths. I cant remember if the cycle paths run the full length of Wyattville Road. They certainly go as far as the turn off for Tesco heading north.


  • #210
    strandroad
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    I know what you mean Seaswimmer but the wide paths in the park do not connect to Wyatville Road directly, and Wyatville is not segregated. Also it's still a detour for someone who just wants to go from Shankill to Sandycove for example. Linking Cromlech to Church Road would make it a straightforward segregated route (I'm assuming Shanganagh would be segregated but I don't know for sure).


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  • #211
    ted1
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    strandroad wrote: »
    I know what you mean Seaswimmer but the wide paths in the park do not connect to Wyatville Road directly, and Wyatville is not segregated. Also it's still a detour for someone who just wants to go from Shankill to Sandycove for example. Linking Cromlech to Church Road would make it a straightforward segregated route (I'm assuming Shanganagh would be segregated but I don't know for sure).
    You don’t need to use wyattville use the path that goes through the fields in Ballybrack. Also there plan is to use the path along shanganah cliffs are exit through Bayview


    See maps here : https://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/23.10.2020_loughlinstown_park-bayview-coast.pdf

    https://dlrcoco.citizenspace.com/infrastructure-climate-change/dlr-safe-walking-cycling-routes-consultation/supporting_documents/Active%20School%20Travel_Park%20to%20Park%20Route.pdf


    I think they could CPO some land at the end of strand road and build a cycle lane all the way from holy child to shanganah park all they need is to put a path where the red line is. And you’ll have a good off road route

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=541347&stc=1&d=1611928591


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