Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

hatrickpatrick · 23-05-2019 10:33pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Its the correct thing to do. There will be a ground swell of the simple minded voter, who unfortunately predominates in Ireland, who will fall for something along the lines of 'loo-la FG lady sues hotel because she cant sit on a swing, so we must punish FG and vote for anyone else' nonsense. Or, 'who is in power? Shower, Im definitely voting for the other crowd'. Yet not realising, with their goldfish length memory that this is what they have always done - yet expect that playing the same flip-flop voting game yet again, something will change. Vote for the best available to you - in this case FG.

(and by the way, was the swing supervised ? No. Was their a safety warning ? No. Was there a introductory tool-box briefing for anyone going to use it ? No. Was there an breathaliser test available to ensure anyone using it was below a risky level ? No. Was safety wear such as harness, helmet, etc provided ? No. So I wouldnt be too harsh on her, and think she may well have the last laugh. See you here following the verdict).

I was honestly taken in by this until I read the closing paragraph. Well played

ahnowbrowncow · 23-05-2019 10:39pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's difficult to see how the case can proceed. I can totally understand why McDowell spoke about it in the Seanad, but he is a former Minister for Justice, former A-G; a practicing, senior member of the Bar, and a member of the Oireachtas. It is reasonable to speculate that such commentary and the publicity that ensued has made a fair trial impossible.

Presumably, Bailey will be asking for the case to be put back indefinitely (until she loses her seat), instead of dropping the case? A potential 60k is a lot of money to give up.

Why wouldn't the case proceed or a fair trial be impossible? This is a civil case that would be tried in the circuit court by a judge without a jury.

23-05-2019 10:43pm

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Why wouldn't the case proceed or a fair trial be impossible? This is a civil case that would be tried in the circuit court by a judge without a jury.

I don't remember the case (someone qualified in the law might oblige), but there was an important legal judgment where the courts determined that adverse publicity might affect jury trials as well as trials determined solely by a judge

Jury trials are more susceptible to adverse publicity, but judge-determined cases are not immune. That's the general thrust. And if any judge might be swayed by adverse commentary, it's the commentary of a former Attorney General, former Justice Minister, sitting member of the Oireachtas and an eminent member of the Bar (all in one person, like Jesus Christ).

I think it was the CJ Haughey trial (comments made by Mary Harney in the Dáil led to his trial being put back indefinitely). Whatever trial it was, it features heavily in the case law on adverse publicity. If you don't get clarification on this from someone else, PM me and I'll find the judgment tomorrow.

23-05-2019 10:48pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Its the correct thing to do. There will be a ground swell of the simple minded voter, who unfortunately predominates in Ireland, who will fall for something along the lines of 'loo-la FG lady sues hotel because she cant sit on a swing, so we must punish FG and vote for anyone else' nonsense. Or, 'who is in power? Shower, Im definitely voting for the other crowd'. Yet not realising, with their goldfish length memory that this is what they have always done - yet expect that playing the same flip-flop voting game yet again, something will change. Vote for the best available to you - in this case FG.

(and by the way, was the swing supervised ? No. Was their a safety warning ? No. Was there a introductory tool-box briefing for anyone going to use it ? No. Was there an breathaliser test available to ensure anyone using it was below a risky level ? No. Was safety wear such as harness, helmet, etc provided ? No. So I wouldnt be too harsh on her, and think she may well have the last laugh. See you here following the verdict).

you'd expect youngsters to know about sexual consent handy enough and yet you want this wagon and her ilk to do an introductory course on the rudimentary operation of a swing which takes into account, blood alcohol level, PPE equipment type and usage thereof, signage and supervision etc etc...
C'mon now...seriously, get me two of whatever your having there in the leinster house Bar will ye!!!

ChikiChiki · 23-05-2019 10:51pm

rusty cole wrote: »

you'd expect youngsters to know about sexual consent handy enough and yet you want this wagon and her ilk to do an introductory course on the rudimentary operation of a swing which takes into account, blood alcohol level, PPE equipment type and usage thereof, signage and supervision etc etc...
C'mon now...seriously, get me two of whatever your having there in the leinster house Bar will ye!!!

Read the posters initials;)

McMurphy · 23-05-2019 11:09pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Its the correct thing to do. There will be a ground swell of the simple minded voter, who unfortunately predominates in Ireland, who will fall for something along the lines of 'loo-la FG lady sues hotel because she cant sit on a swing, so we must punish FG and vote for anyone else' nonsense. Or, 'who is in power? Shower, Im definitely voting for the other crowd'. Yet not realising, with their goldfish length memory that this is what they have always done - yet expect that playing the same flip-flop voting game yet again, something will change. Vote for the best available to you - in this case FG.

(and by the way, was the swing supervised ? No. Was their a safety warning ? No. Was there a introductory tool-box briefing for anyone going to use it ? No. Was there an breathaliser test available to ensure anyone using it was below a risky level ? No. Was safety wear such as harness, helmet, etc provided ? No. So I wouldnt be too harsh on her, and think she may well have the last laugh. See you here following the verdict).

You stopped being even half relevant a few years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Rm0x73oD4

JP Liz V1 · 24-05-2019 12:55am

I thought this was a joke, piss take

Well it gives new meaning to swing vote

apologies if that one was already done

scotchy · 24-05-2019 4:49am

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/bailey-rejected-600-from-hotel-to-pay-her-medical-bill-after-fall-38143356.html

"and yet to be ascertained amounts for physiotherapy and Pilates."

:mad:

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ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 4:58am

scotchy wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/bailey-rejected-600-from-hotel-to-pay-her-medical-bill-after-fall-38143356.html

"and yet to be ascertained amounts for physiotherapy and Pilates."

:mad:

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Dental costs? Can I have a Pilates bursary? Dry needling is basically acupuncture. No one is certain it even works.

Edgware · 24-05-2019 7:42am

No neck injuries due to its hardness

Eggs For Dinner · 24-05-2019 7:50am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I was honestly taken in by this until I read the closing paragraph. Well played

The 2nd paragraph, while ludicrous, is how this case will be decided. These are the arguments used in our courts on a daily basis in less high profile cases where personal responsibility is dismissed as not relevant.

I hate to say it, but I think she will win damages

McMurphy · 24-05-2019 7:56am

Eggs For Dinner wrote: »

The 2nd paragraph, while ludicrous, is how this case will be decided. These are the arguments used in our courts on a daily basis in less high profile cases where personal responsibility is dismissed as not relevant.

I hate to say it, but I think she will win damages

She has already won damages to her re-election prospects, ditto for daddy's chances today, to Madigans law firm, and to the FG party as a whole - who seem to be chocfull of unscrupulous gougers despite donning a holier than thou persona.

I predict the knives will be out for Maria now within the party.

Kermit.de.frog · 24-05-2019 8:09am

She has totally humiliated herself (and her party who must be furious behind the scenes at this embarrassment in the run up to the elections).

Even if she got 60k it's not worth the damage to her own reputation in my opinion.

The Rape of Lucretia · 24-05-2019 8:10am

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

She has already won damages to the FG party as a whole - who seem to be chocfull of unscrupulous gougers despite donning a holier than thou persona.

This bit is incorrect. The FG crew are clearly the most competent people we have to govern us. FF close behind.
All the rest - just ensure they are at the bottom of your ballot paper preference. Every Irish citizen has a responsibility to do this today. You have to stop voting for independents, IRA refugees, and novelty acts. If don't, you will get the poorly run country you will have asked for. Don't let issues like this injury case distract you from voting correctly.

McMurphy · 24-05-2019 8:20am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Rm0x73oD4

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 8:23am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

This bit is incorrect. The FG crew are clearly the most competent people we have to govern us. FF close behind.
All the rest - just ensure they are at the bottom of your ballot paper preference. Every Irish citizen has a responsibility to do this today. You have to stop voting for independents, IRA refugees, and novelty acts. If don't, you will get the poorly run country you will have asked for. Don't let issues like this injury case distract you from voting correctly.

But sir the country is poorly run. You mean it will be MORE poorly run?:(

Mrsmum · 24-05-2019 8:23am

I'd say the way she was raised is to know, as Oscar Wilde said, the price of everything and the value of nothing. She might well get a few bob out of this but she'll end up worse off in the long run.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 8:23am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

She has totally humiliated herself (and her party who must be furious behind the scenes at this embarrassment in the run up to the elections).

Even if she got 60k it's not worth the damage to her own reputation in my opinion.

She obviously thought so or that it would go unnoticed.

The Rape of Lucretia · 24-05-2019 8:26am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

But sir the country is poorly run. You mean it will be MORE poorly run?:(

Yes. The current govt are the best the Irish can muster. It may not be run as well as people might wish. But that's a reflection of their own capabilities. Voting for the less competent people would indeed have it more poorly run.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 8:34am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yes. The current govt are the best the Irish can muster. It may not be run as well as people might wish. But that's a reflection of their own capabilities. Voting for the less competent people would indeed have it more poorly run.

So you admit FG are total ****e. You just think the other parties are a little tiny tiny bit more ****e? :P

*she says wryly*

Kivaro · 24-05-2019 8:40am

There needs to be an emergency cabinet meeting today with an immediate mandate for all "sitting" Fine Gael TDs to travel over to the UK to learn from their politicans how to use a swing. Cushions and supervisors (6 year old local children) will be provided.

Supercell · 24-05-2019 8:40am

Leo's stance on all this says it all about FG, thought we had moved on from complete chancers running the country (like Bertie who won it on the horses.....) lifelong voter no more. Enough said.

The Rape of Lucretia · 24-05-2019 8:40am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

So you admit FG are total ****e. You just think the other parties are a little tiny tiny bit more ****e? :P

*she says wryly*

Well, I wouldn't say s#ite exactly. But mediocre, sure. It has always been thus for the Irish. They have always acknowledged this themselves - agreeing since state foundation that those in govt aren't up to much. Which reflect the consistently poor ability of the Irish to govern themselves.
However, the 'rest', oddballs, independents, and gunmen, are even worse charlatans, exploiting this voter weakness for electioneering snake oil promises.

Billcarson · 24-05-2019 8:45am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

This bit is incorrect. The FG crew are clearly the most competent people we have to govern us. FF close behind.
All the rest - just ensure they are at the bottom of your ballot paper preference. Every Irish citizen has a responsibility to do this today. You have to stop voting for independents, IRA refugees, and novelty acts. If don't, you will get the poorly run country you will have asked for. Don't let issues like this injury case distract you from voting correctly.

But sir the country is poorly run. You mean it will be MORE poorly run?:(

I presume he must have been sarcastic. Well i just voted and all fg and ff candidates were bottom of my preference . Independents and sf got my votes.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 8:47am

Billcarson wrote: »

I presume he must have been sarcastic. Well u just voted and all fg and ff candidates were bottom of my preference . Independents and sf got my votes.

Its none of my business who you vote for whether you vote SF FG FF or the monster loony people.

Kivaro · 24-05-2019 8:50am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Well, I wouldn't say s#ite exactly. But mediocre, sure. It has always been thus for the Irish. They have always acknowledged this themselves - agreeing since state foundation that those in govt aren't up to much. Which reflect the consistently poor ability of the Irish to govern themselves.
However, the 'rest', oddballs, independents, and gunmen, are even worse charlatans, exploiting this voter weakness for electioneering snake oil promises.

This attitude is the reason why the current government behave the way they do i.e. they fear no consequences because the fickle Irish voter is afraid to change their voting strategy. Accountability is a foreign concept to Fine Gael, which is why you have exponential cost overruns for the Children's Hospital, Rural Broadband etc.

Voting Independent today will send a message.
At the very least, "anybody but Fine Gael" would also send a message to Leo the Liar.

Yurt2 · 24-05-2019 9:01am

This government, while not quite at the level of Cowen-era FF toxicity, is doing it's best to match their efforts. There's an unearned air of smugness off many of the cabinet given their dismal performance on a few fronts (chiefly housing, health and cost of living - insurance being the worst offender).

Thinking about it, it's difficult to even give them credit for the recent economic growth spurt. The Troika effectively ran the books and put state finances back in order for a number of years, and they were lucky to enjoy strong external positive economic headwinds from the major world economies.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 9:03am

Yurt! wrote: »

This government, while not quite at the level of Cowen-era FF toxicity, is doing it's best to match their efforts. There's an unearned air of smugness off many of the cabinet given their dismal performance on a few fronts (chiefly housing, health and cost of living - insurance being the worst offender).

Thinking about it, it's difficult to even give them credit for the recent economic growth spurt. The Troika effectively ran the books and put state finances back in order for a number of years, and they were lucky to enjoy strong external positive economic headwinds from the major world economies.

Sometimes the mistake is not who you vote for but leaving who you vote for in too long.

The Rape of Lucretia · 24-05-2019 9:08am

This 'sending a message' syndrome is just a childish lashout though. You must vote for the best available, and curb any frustration and desire to vote for lesser candidates just to 'punish' the best you've got. It's silly. It's the syndrome that brings, Trump, Brexit, and flirting with national front type nonsense.
Resist anti-voting. Vote responsibly. Vote correctly. Don't make things worse by voting for independents who just screw up the workings of politics.

Kivaro · 24-05-2019 9:13am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

This 'sending a message' syndrome is just a childish lashout though. You must vote for the best available, and curb any frustration and desire to vote for lesser candidates just to 'punish' the best you've got. It's silly. It's the syndrome that brings, Trump, Brexit, and flirting with national front type nonsense.
Resist anti-voting. Vote responsibly. Vote correctly. Don't make things worse by voting for independents who just screw up the workings of politics.

Ah, nice one; we are racist now if we don't vote Fine Gael.
Jesus, I've heard it all now.
"Best available"? How do we know what the "best" is if we don't give new Independents an opportunity to change things.

And change is what this country sorely needs.

Yurt2 · 24-05-2019 9:13am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

This 'sending a message' syndrome is just a childish lashout though. You must vote for the best available, and curb any frustration and desire to vote for lesser candidates just to 'punish' the best you've got. It's silly. It's the syndrome that brings, Trump, Brexit, and flirting with national front type nonsense.
Resist anti-voting. Vote responsibly. Vote correctly. Don't make things worse by voting for independents who just screw up the workings of politics.

I won't dispute that the standard of our political class is low, but some of the grandest morons to spring forth from this soil manage to carve out high-level political careers in parties through patronage and having a brass neck. People like Mary Mitchell O'Connor make me want to weep they're so thick. You wouldn't put a person like that in charge of a tuck shop, never mind a government department. The only conceivable reason she landed in Leinster House, and frighteningly, in a ministerial post, is under the political sponsorship of a party.

This is not competence, you know it, I know it, and everybody who's reading this knows it.

hatrickpatrick · 24-05-2019 9:18am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

This 'sending a message' syndrome is just a childish lashout though. You must vote for the best available, and curb any frustration and desire to vote for lesser candidates just to 'punish' the best you've got. It's silly. It's the syndrome that brings, Trump, Brexit, and flirting with national front type nonsense.
Resist anti-voting. Vote responsibly. Vote correctly. Don't make things worse by voting for independents who just screw up the workings of politics.

The very reason to vote independents is because they screw up the workings of politics. The workings of politics are utterly broken in the current status quo, as evidenced by this and many other issues and incidents. Politics, and how we do politics in Ireland, needs to change.

Also, if people are voting to "send a message" as you put it, it means they're voting that way because they disagree with how a politician has behaved or which policy ideals that politician represents. Surely that's the very core of democracy?

Kivaro · 24-05-2019 9:22am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The very reason to vote independents is because they screw up the workings of politics. The workings of politics are utterly broken in the current status quo, as evidenced by this and many other issues and incidents. Politics, and how we do politics in Ireland, needs to change.

Also, if people are voting to "send a message" as you put it, it means they're voting that way because they disagree with how a politician has behaved or which policy ideals that politician represents. Surely that's the very core of democracy?

It's called disruption Pat.
And it's a good thing in a very stale environment; any environment, whether it is in business, education, ........ or politics.

hatrickpatrick · 24-05-2019 9:26am

I've just finished plotting out my ballot paper before going to the polls later and I have to say, the Dun Laoghaire ward is a feckin' nightmare this time around with a ridiculously low candidate to seat ratio - just 13 candidates vying for 7 seats! Very hard to avoid gobsh!tes getting in with this scenario. John Bailey's getting my #13 anyway, although in fairness FG were always going to be bottom of the pile in this election for me so it's not a big change.

How's everyone else's ballot plotting going?

lawred2 · 24-05-2019 9:30am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

This 'sending a message' syndrome is just a childish lashout though. You must vote for the best available, and curb any frustration and desire to vote for lesser candidates just to 'punish' the best you've got. It's silly. It's the syndrome that brings, Trump, Brexit, and flirting with national front type nonsense.
Resist anti-voting. Vote responsibly. Vote correctly. Don't make things worse by voting for independents who just screw up the workings of politics.

Forgive me if I've conflated you with someone else but I'm sure that you're pro Brexit?

VinLieger · 24-05-2019 9:32am

Kivaro wrote: »

It's called disruption Pat.
And it's a good thing in a very stale environment; any environment, whether it is in business, education, ........ or politics.

Disruption is good when its being performed by people who are more competant than those that need to be disrupted, many of the gombeens people are voting for as protest votes are at least as bad as our current politicians if not worse, ie gemma, gilroy, casey et al, they are either conspiracy theorists, freemen wackjobs or self interested trumpesque business men.

Im by no means saying FG are worth a vote right now, ive voted for them up until now but am seriously conflicted at the moment. I didnt vote for them in europe today due to article 13 and i really don't know what im going to do for the next GE. I did throw 1-2 votes for local FGers thought as they do good work in my constituency, I even voted for 1 FFer (first time ever i think) as they are the one candidate dealing with a specific issue i feel strongly on.

Hoboo · 24-05-2019 9:35am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've just finished plotting out my ballot paper before going to the polls later and I have to say, the Dun Laoghaire ward is a feckin' nightmare this time around with a ridiculously low candidate to seat ratio - just 13 candidates vying for 7 seats! Very hard to avoid gobsh!tes getting in with this scenario. John Bailey's getting my #13 anyway, although in fairness FG were always going to be bottom of the pile in this election for me so it's not a big change.

How's everyone else's ballot plotting going?

Don't give 1-13, just vote for your top 3 or 4. It might be 13, but it's still a vote.

ILoveYourVibes · 24-05-2019 9:36am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

This 'sending a message' syndrome is just a childish lashout though. You must vote for the best available, and curb any frustration and desire to vote for lesser candidates just to 'punish' the best you've got. It's silly. It's the syndrome that brings, Trump, Brexit, and flirting with national front type nonsense.
Resist anti-voting. Vote responsibly. Vote correctly. Don't make things worse by voting for independents who just screw up the workings of politics.

May I ask you if you support FG?

Why not vote FF?

McMurphy · 24-05-2019 9:37am

lawred2 wrote: »

Forgive me if I've conflated you with someone else but I'm sure that you're pro Brexit?

He's vehemently Pro/Anti many things.

It just depends what thread he does dip into, and what he thinks will wind the majority up the most with.

He's a wee rascal at the trolling so he is.

**Ruffles TRoLs hair**

salmocab · 24-05-2019 9:39am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've just finished plotting out my ballot paper before going to the polls later and I have to say, the Dun Laoghaire ward is a feckin' nightmare this time around with a ridiculously low candidate to seat ratio - just 13 candidates vying for 7 seats! Very hard to avoid gobsh!tes getting in with this scenario. John Bailey's getting my #13 anyway, although in fairness FG were always going to be bottom of the pile in this election for me so it's not a big change.

How's everyone else's ballot plotting going?

If you give him 13 your giving him a possible vote. You don’t have to go all the way down the sheet, you can stop at any time

JohnnyFlash · 24-05-2019 9:40am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've just finished plotting out my ballot paper before going to the polls later and I have to say, the Dun Laoghaire ward is a feckin' nightmare this time around with a ridiculously low candidate to seat ratio - just 13 candidates vying for 7 seats! Very hard to avoid gobsh!tes getting in with this scenario. John Bailey's getting my #13 anyway, although in fairness FG were always going to be bottom of the pile in this election for me so it's not a big change.

How's everyone else's ballot plotting going?

FG 1 and 2, Labour 3 and Greens 4. Don’t bother with the rest of the alphabet. Voted at quarter past 7 this morning

I’ll vote the exact same later when I head down to the home place.

hatrickpatrick · 24-05-2019 9:42am

Hoboo wrote: »

Don't give 1-13, just vote for your top 3 or 4. It might be 13, but it's still a vote.

Common misconception - if you do this, then every candidate after your top 3 or 4 (assuming all of your top choices don't get in, which requires a lot of luck but does happen) has a reduced quota to get elected on whichever count your vote runs out of numbers on. So if there are one or two people you truly despise, it really is better to vote all the way down and give them the last numbers. If you despise everyone equally after a certain point, you're absolutely right. But in this particular case, I want to see John Bailey getting his f*cking ass kicked, and if someone from FG is going to get in, I'd rather it be either of the other two candidates.

The quota is calculated based on the total number of valid ballots on each count. If you're on the sixth count and you only put down six numbers, then assuming none of your six are still in contention (either already elected or already eliminated), your vote stops being counted as a "valid ballot" once you get to the seventh count.

Not a huge issue on an individual basis, but definitely a huge issue if enough people do it, which unfortunately seems to be the case. I've always thought that the quota system we use should be taught as part of CSPE or something, I only know about it because my dad used to cover the elections for RTE back in the '90s and thus he's something of a political encyclopedia for this kind of stuff

Yurt2 · 24-05-2019 9:43am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

FG 1 and 2, Labour 3 and Greens 4. Don’t bother with the rest of the alphabet. Voted at quarter past 7 this morning

I’ll vote the exact same later when I head down to the home place.

Out of curiosity, is it actually legal to vote in two different wards in local elections?

If you pick up two referendum ballots and use them, you'd almost certainly be voting unlawfully.

hatrickpatrick · 24-05-2019 9:43am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I’ll vote the exact same later when I head down to the home place.

24-05-2019 9:50am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've just finished plotting out my ballot paper before going to the polls later and I have to say, the Dun Laoghaire ward is a feckin' nightmare this time around with a ridiculously low candidate to seat ratio - just 13 candidates vying for 7 seats! Very hard to avoid gobsh!tes getting in with this scenario. John Bailey's getting my #13 anyway, although in fairness FG were always going to be bottom of the pile in this election for me so it's not a big change.

How's everyone else's ballot plotting going?

Try Dundalk. 2 areas. One is 9 candidates for 6 seats, Other is 11 for 7 seats.
Dundalk North is 3 FF, 3 SF, 2 FG 1 GP. Pretty dire.

The Rape of Lucretia · 24-05-2019 9:50am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

May I ask you if you support FG?

Why not vote FF?

Both equally. They are the same party. So both at the top of the ballot paper according to my view of the individual. Labour next. Greens next. Indos next. IRA last.
This is the correct answer to the test.

24-05-2019 9:53am

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've always thought that the quota system we use should be taught as part of CSPE or something,

The electoral quota was taught in CSPE when I was in school, I hope it's still taught today.

I think most schools do mock elections, where they learn how to calculate the quota, and how to apply it to a count.

Scoundrel · 24-05-2019 10:07am

Hopefully the actions of this money grabbing fraudster will lead to a swing against FG today.

jmayo · 24-05-2019 10:15am

Birneybau wrote: »

Sure, she's from a family with necks like jockey's bollockses. This is part of the index for her father's Wikipedia entry:

Peruse at your own will, I take no responsibility for raised blood pressure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bailey_(Irish_politician)

Jaysus I didn't know the family history. I was right, complete fooking chancers.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This kind of thing is actually why I've never liked him. Kenny was hopeless at PR and somehow when Leo came in, even more sh!t hit the fan and made you actually miss Kenny to an extent.

Kenny was underrated.
Yes he was shyte in media and I do hold him to account for not moving sooner on Callinan - whole Garda thing, Irish water setup debacle and ethnic status for another bunch of chancers, but he wasn't all about the spin like the current gobshyte.

Kenny was totally on the ropes when most of the cabinet and front bench moved against him.
The same ones that are now at the top of the party.
And he handed them their ar**es.
That says something about the calibre of people we are talking about.

Leo made pronouncements about looking after the early risers, the ordinary workers and what has he gone and done since.
He is more interested in photo ops, playing at being a mini me of that Canadian spanner than actually doing anything meaningful.
Every time there is major wastage of money, huge cost overruns, he just glosses if off and boldy states that they will find the money no problem.

Yeah sure he comes across a lot better on TV, but it is image over substance.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It's like Eoghan Murphy's reaction to the Tenement 2.0 proposal for Dun Laoghaire - the fact that he's reacting the way he is despite very clear and widespread public anger over that case and the housing situation in general, is indicative of either (a) FG not actually listening to the public's mood or to public opinion, or (b) FG not giving a f*ck about the public's mood or opinion, despite their job literally being to represent the people when making policy decisions.

Speaking of that eejit Murphy, just listened to guy representing petrol filling stations on radio with Pat Kenny.
The valuation office has decided that filling station rates, and it is only filling stations, will now be based on turnover.
Now I have no love for prices filling stations charge on convenience articles but this is joke and will probably result in rate increases of over 100% and put a fair few out of business.

Turnover for filling stations can be huge, but just remember 60% of fuel prices already goes in taxes to the government.

The genius that came up with the formula based it on extensive analysis of 6 filling stations in Tipperary.
I kid you not and valuation office will not budge.

And the gobshyte in charge of that organisation is none other than Murphy who claims it has nothing to do with him.

Now this is yet another example of how fooked up this country is when someone comes up with a very flawed proposal and no one in power is willing to cop on and stop it.

hatrickpatrick · 24-05-2019 10:17am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Both equally. They are the same party. So both at the top of the ballot paper according to my view of the individual.

Astonishing - TRoL speaking the truth!

This can only mean one thing: Winter is coming.

Fine Gael TD sues Dublin Hotel after falling off swing

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