can you get cattle slaughtered?

duffysfarm · 09-10-2019 1:32pm #1

i dont want this thread to descend into a thread for and against the recent factory protests.

i was talking to some one earlier who has over 300 cattle to kill and cant get one of them kilt with any factory and i have spoken to a few other people and its the same thing with everyone. since the strikes have stopped and the factories are back killing no one seems to be able to get anything killed. we were chatting and it came up in conversation - well then who the hell is killing cattle?
another thing to note is that for the people i am talking about, its not as if they are holding out for a better price they just want cattle killed before they have to go back into the shed and none of the people were out protesting so its not as if the factory are ignoring them because of this.

Danzy · 09-10-2019 1:34pm

13 going tomorrow.

Booked in the first of Oct, in age in spec as much as you can he said.

duffysfarm · 09-10-2019 1:37pm

i know a man who crossed the picket lines to get into a factory at the time and now has 26 heifers that will go over age very shortly. the factory will only take 5 cattle of him now and the factory told him in no uncertain terms that they dont care if he comes or not

duffysfarm · 09-10-2019 1:39pm

some of the people that i would be talking to would have out of spec cattle so that could be part of the problem

Danzy wrote: »

13 going tomorrow.

Booked in the first of Oct, in age in spec as much as you can he said.

riemann · 09-10-2019 1:53pm

I know a man, in fact I know plenty of men and a few women too. Some of them even know me.

I don't know a lot about them, but I know they will always tell me the side of the story that suits them. As such I will usually treat what they say with indifference, unless it's going to affect me directly, which is unlikely.

There is a huge back up of cattle due to the factories essentially closed for weeks, even at max capacity which I doubt many of them are, it will take weeks and months for this to clear, with the recent weather increasing the problem.

In the meantime the agents will pick and choose who they take cattle from, which I assume rules out many of the more vocal protesters or even lads they simply don't like.

Most of this is to be expected.

duffysfarm · 09-10-2019 1:55pm

how did you come up with a post as clever as this so quick? you are truly amazing!

riemann wrote: »

I know a man, in fact I know plenty of men and a few women too. Some of them even know me.I don't know a lot about them, but I know they will always tell me the side of the story that suits them. As such I will usually treat what they say with indifference, unless it's going to affect me directly, which is unlikely.

There is a huge back up of cattle due to the factories essentially closed for weeks, even at max capacity which I doubt many of them are, it will take weeks and months for this to clear, with the recent weather increasing the problem.

In the meantime the agents will pick and choose who they take cattle from, which I assume rules out many of the more vocal protesters or even lads they simply don't like.

Most of this is to be expected

kerryjack · 09-10-2019 3:23pm

duffysfarm wrote: »

i know a man who crossed the picket lines to get into a factory at the time and now has 26 heifers that will go over age very shortly. the factory will only take 5 cattle of him now and the factory told him in no uncertain terms that they dont care if he comes or not

That's a tall tale if I ever heard one, bar stool by any chance.

Danzy · 09-10-2019 4:02pm

riemann wrote: »

I know a man, in fact I know plenty of men and a few women too. Some of them even know me.

I don't know a lot about them, but I know they will always tell me the side of the story that suits them. As such I will usually treat what they say with indifference, unless it's going to affect me directly, which is unlikely.

There is a huge back up of cattle due to the factories essentially closed for weeks, even at max capacity which I doubt many of them are, it will take weeks and months for this to clear, with the recent weather increasing the problem.

In the meantime the agents will pick and choose who they take cattle from, which I assume rules out many of the more vocal protesters or even lads they simply don't like.

Most of this is to be expected.

They won't care if you were a protester or were shouting at the protesters to go home cause you have 500 in the lot waiting to be killed and drink with the procurement managers every Saturday.

There is a side benefit in hammering their friend with the feed lot, take him over.

Anto_Meath · 10-10-2019 9:23am

Well the factories seem to be curtailing the kill, the agents are trying to bring a few from everyone in fairness to them. I understand there is a back log due to the pickets, but killing half days isn't helping. You would wonder is it a ploy to keep the price of stores down so they can re stock their feedlots or a they picking up cheaper finished cattle in the marts and killing them instead. The strike and the weather have really combined to make it a right pain for anyone that has beef cattle fit to go at the minute.

Cavanjack · 10-10-2019 11:18am

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Well the factories seem to be curtailing the kill, the agents are trying to bring a few from everyone in fairness to them. I understand there is a back log due to the pickets, but killing half days isn't helping. You would wonder is it a ploy to keep the price of stores down so they can re stock their feedlots or a they picking up cheaper finished cattle in the marts and killing them instead. The strike and the weather have really combined to make it a right pain for anyone that has beef cattle fit to go at the minute.

The factories are also picking up plenty of finished cattle in the marts for €100 - €200 less than they would have to pay for them if they came directly to factory from the farm.

patsy_mccabe · 10-10-2019 11:25am

Jesus, this year will finish a lot of farmers.:mad:

Anto_Meath · 10-10-2019 11:58am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Jesus, this year will finish a lot of farmers.:mad:

Ah it wouldn't finish them as they are a strange bunch and seem to keep coming back for more punishment. But after last year I would say a lot of beef farmers will be sitting back & cutting numbers and just doing enough to draw down any subs and hoping cattle sold will cover day to day costs.

Robson99 · 10-10-2019 11:59am

duffysfarm wrote: »

i know a man who crossed the picket lines to get into a factory at the time and now has 26 heifers that will go over age very shortly. the factory will only take 5 cattle of him now and the factory told him in no uncertain terms that they dont care if he comes or not

I'm delighted for him . Hopefully he will take it as an education that eaten bread is soon forgotten with Larry

_Brian · 10-10-2019 1:20pm

I work with allot of lads that have weanlings to move. Many would be average stock rather than top end.

They are holding out while grass lasts but expecting an absolute beating in the ring in maybe 3-4 weeks time.

Hallinansen · 10-10-2019 1:22pm

What's supposed to happen in 3-4 weeks, Brian?

Anto_Meath · 10-10-2019 1:28pm

_Brian wrote: »

I work with allot of lads that have weanlings to move. Many would be average stock rather than top end.

They are holding out while grass lasts but expecting an absolute beating in the ring in maybe 3-4 weeks time.

If they can time it right for when the shippers are filling up for the boats they could be alright. There was a hurry on them up until last weekend to get a boat load ready so prices were good on Saturday. Back a little this week put I would expect them to be strong again around the end of the month, that is if Trump doesn't start tweeting about Turkey too much.

Biscuitus · 10-10-2019 1:48pm

Back log after the protests
Back log with the bad weather and farmers wanting to get animals off their fields
Back log with farmers wanting to sell before housing
Back log with time running out for animals
Back log with lads finishing rather than dealing with marts
Back log with farmers selling cull cows or cows not in calf
Back log with farmers wanting to get out after multiple bad years

mf240 · 10-10-2019 1:58pm

Biscuitus wrote: »

Back log after the protests
Back log with the bad weather and farmers wanting to get animals off their fields
Back log with farmers wanting to sell before housing
Back log with time running out for animals
Back log with lads finishing rather than dealing with marts
Back log with farmers selling cull cows or cows not in calf
Back log with farmers wanting to get out after multiple bad years

And brexit on the way.

Muckit · 10-10-2019 2:02pm

_Brian wrote: »

I work with allot of lads that have weanlings to move. Many would be average stock rather than top end.

They are holding out while grass lasts but expecting an absolute beating in the ring in maybe 3-4 weeks time.

They will be 3-4weeks of absolute hell. You can imagine cows and calves out on ground this time of year and it pissing rain.

They'd be aswell off to house the cows and start shifting calves now. Nothing magical.will happen in a months time. Down prices will go if anything once the glut comes.

tanko · 10-10-2019 2:03pm

mf240 wrote: »

And brexit on the way.

Aye, when are they leaving??

tanko · 10-10-2019 2:39pm

Anto_Meath wrote: »

If they can time it right for when the shippers are filling up for the boats they could be alright. There was a hurry on them up until last weekend to get a boat load ready so prices were good on Saturday. Back a little this week put I would expect them to be strong again around the end of the month, that is if Trump doesn't start tweeting about Turkey too much.

Where was that boat going?

Waternotsoda · 10-10-2019 2:50pm

Got 6 booked into Kepak athleague Monday week.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 10-10-2019 3:12pm

Hallinansen wrote: »

What's supposed to happen in 3-4 weeks, Brian?

The lads selling straight off grass will be carrying everything to the mart once grass gets scarce or weather turns bad and the same thing happens.

older by the day · 10-10-2019 3:31pm

Was anyone listening to the farming segment on moncreif on newstalk yesterday. Stake making 12 Euro a kg, approx. While certain dog and cat food in the pouches adds up to 24euro a kg. That's a profitable business

Anto_Meath · 10-10-2019 3:36pm

tanko wrote: »

Where was that boat going?

Its a second 1 heading for Turkey, they have to be in quarantine for a few weeks before they are eligible to go, so they were trying to get them all in before the end of last week.

_Brian · 10-10-2019 3:38pm

Hallinansen wrote: »

What's supposed to happen in 3-4 weeks, Brian?

That’s when most in this area would sell weanlings, grass stem off and ground unfit for cows.

Say my name · 10-10-2019 4:08pm

Anto_Meath wrote: »

Its a second 1 heading for Turkey, they have to be in quarantine for a few weeks before they are eligible to go, so they were trying to get them all in before the end of last week.

Must have been to feed the army heading into Syria. :pac:
Almost as if the date and time was planned.

Seems to be the thing to feed the troops irish beef when heading into battle.
First Saddam and now Erdogan.

At least this time Erdogan is getting the whole animal fresh and not just rotten bellies like Saddam got from Larry.
Hopefully payment has been upfront and banked before a beast boards a lorry.

Doctors room ghost · 10-10-2019 4:20pm

I could never understand why the factory doesn’t employ a day and night shift And allow farmers to turn up with stock when they want them processed and drop the whole booking them in and going through an agent boll1x.
It’s hardly rocket science.proof of ownership ie blue cards and away you go subject to usual vet inspection and grading.

kk.man · 10-10-2019 4:39pm

Doctors room ghost wrote: »

I could never understand why the factory doesn’t employ a day and night shift And allow farmers to turn up with stock when they want them processed and drop the whole booking them in and going through an agent boll1x.
It’s hardly rocket science.proof of ownership ie blue cards and away you go subject to usual vet inspection and grading.

They wouldn't enough fridge space for day and night kills plus boning and packaging halls not be able to cope. I said this all during the strike there are limited space for the dead animal. Its all about 'just in time' production as first used by Toyota in Japan.
The day of the agent is over to and if POs take it will be the final nail.

wrangler · 10-10-2019 4:55pm

kk.man wrote: »

They wouldn't enough fridge space for day and night kills plus boning and packaging halls not be able to cope. I said this all during the strike there are limited space for the dead animal. Its all about 'just in time' production as first used by Toyota in Japan.
The day of the agent is over to and if POs take it will be the final nail.

Plus they'll be in no hurry to kill the cattle anyway, they're not going anywhere
They'll use their agents again, it's only because of the chaos at the moment that they're dealing direct.

patsy_mccabe · 10-10-2019 5:10pm

mf240 wrote: »

And brexit on the way.

What's that?

_Brian · 10-10-2019 5:16pm

Once the age limit remained in place it was obvious they would take the piss afterwards.

Slowing the kill just saves them money now and they will have back all they lost during the blockade and likely more.

Haven’t they access to the icbf numbers and so have a very accurate picture regarding cattle about to fall over the age limit.

Farmers are foolish to keep pushing beef into a system loaded against them. Everyone is best served then agents are out working hard to secure numbers rather than when the factory phone is ringing red hot with lads pleading to get a few in.

I know it’s an unpopular position but it’s being overproduced, when any commodity is plentiful it looses its value, even though the cost of producing it remains constant or indeed increases.

Lads there’s no point being busy fools !

Cavanjack · 10-10-2019 5:54pm

kk.man wrote: »

They wouldn't enough fridge space for day and night kills plus boning and packaging halls not be able to cope. I said this all during the strike there are limited space for the dead animal. Its all about 'just in time' production as first used by Toyota in Japan.
The day of the agent is over to and if POs take it will be the final nail.

Why is the day of the agent over?

kk.man · 10-10-2019 9:16pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Why is the day of the agent over?

There is a plant near me that has got rid of them. You got through the procurement managers now. They recon its the new template. Some previous agents are just hauliers for them or moved to other factories.

epfff · 10-10-2019 9:28pm

If beef is as tight margins game as factory makes out by cutting agents they massively increase profit.

I have had problem with agents for a while now, They get nearly 2cent a kg and i dont see what value they offer to regular seller. Ok for the once a year seller they may offer advice on fat score etc but What i see going on around here they are just propaganda agents and dont even look at cattle because most of these farmers just want them gone.

Nobbies · 10-10-2019 9:55pm

_Brian wrote: »

Once the age limit remained in place it was obvious they would take the piss afterwards.

Slowing the kill just saves them money now and they will have back all they lost during the blockade and likely more.

Haven’t they access to the icbf numbers and so have a very accurate picture regarding cattle about to fall over the age limit.

Farmers are foolish to keep pushing beef into a system loaded against them. Everyone is best served then agents are out working hard to secure numbers rather than when the factory phone is ringing red hot with lads pleading to get a few in.

I know it’s an unpopular position but it’s being overproduced, when any commodity is plentiful it looses its value, even though the cost of producing it remains constant or indeed increases.

Lads there’s no point being busy fools !

It's a great shame that those on the blockade hadn't the sense to realise the truth of your last paragraph.
this thread wouldn't exist were it not for a blockade.
to the op yes i,m unable to get cattle killed at the moment.

_Brian · 10-10-2019 9:59pm

Nobbies wrote: »

It's a great shame that those on the blockade hadn't the sense to realise the truth of your last paragraph.
this thread wouldn't exist were it not for a blockade.
to the op yes i,m unable to get cattle killed at the moment.

I hate that it is like this but that’s the simple fact.

Base price · 10-10-2019 10:47pm

@ Brian - link to DAFM website, click on last one on the page and it gives the current livestock numbers by age for both beef and dairy bred animals. It doesn't take a scholar to extrapolate this data.
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/animalhealthwelfare/animalidentificationmovement/cattle/bovinebirthandmovementsmonthlyreports/

Danzy · 10-10-2019 11:24pm

Nobbies wrote: »

It's a great shame that those on the blockade hadn't the sense to realise the truth of your last paragraph.
this thread wouldn't exist were it not for a blockade.
to the op yes i,m unable to get cattle killed at the moment.

Without the protests the problem would be a base of 3 Euro or less and factories content in knowing people would accept it.

Keep Sluicing · 10-10-2019 11:47pm

I sent 8 on Monday morning. Booked in last week. Uncle sent in 16 more today, booked in last friday. North Cork factory.

endacl · 10-10-2019 11:49pm

duffysfarm wrote: »

i was talking to some one earlier who has over 300 cattle to kill and cant get one of them kilt

kk.man · 11-10-2019 9:01pm

Factories have a preference for AA and HE cattle atm. They can't get enough of them and you will have a short run in time to get them killed.
U 30 month cattle are not plentiful either. There is a huge backup of everything else.

Hershall · 11-10-2019 9:33pm

Getting 4 or 5 killed per week nothing next week two weeks time again. Like pulling teeth

Danzy · 01-11-2019 8:43pm

Have a lot going this week coming, slow as f778.

Any speeding up in sight, just under 30 month cattle must be scaeve now seems it is heifers being killed 18 to 20 months being worked through now.

Who knows.

morphy87 · 01-11-2019 8:51pm

Sorry what do you mean? Is it that they are taking a lot of cattle off you? I sent a load this week and he said he will be able to take another next week so maybe things are starting to turn hopefully, maybe cattle might not be as plentiful as we thought

aphextwit · 01-11-2019 8:51pm

No.

Danzy · 01-11-2019 9:08pm

morphy87 wrote: »

Sorry what do you mean? Is it that they are taking a lot of cattle off you? I sent a load this week and he said he will be able to take another next week so maybe things are starting to turn hopefully, maybe cattle might not be as plentiful as we thought

Sorry, meant a load, 15 Bullocks.

Hershall · 02-11-2019 6:18pm

Got last 2 killed last week.
Local factory gone fully off cows,bulls overage and heavy cattle. Next few weeks will be interesting!

johnnyw20 · 04-11-2019 5:12pm

Anyone trying to get u24 bulls into the factory at the moment? Trying to get 5 away at the moment but factory have no appetite for them or any cattle tbh

04-11-2019 5:48pm

johnnyw20 wrote: »

Anyone trying to get u24 bulls into the factory at the moment? Trying to get 5 away at the moment but factory have no appetite for them or any cattle tbh

Depends on weights and fat scores

kevthegaff · 04-11-2019 10:55pm

Will numbers reduce start of next year?

can you get cattle slaughtered?

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