can you get cattle slaughtered?

_Brian

Once the age limit remained in place it was obvious they would take the piss afterwards.

Slowing the kill just saves them money now and they will have back all they lost during the blockade and likely more.

Haven’t they access to the icbf numbers and so have a very accurate picture regarding cattle about to fall over the age limit.

Farmers are foolish to keep pushing beef into a system loaded against them. Everyone is best served then agents are out working hard to secure numbers rather than when the factory phone is ringing red hot with lads pleading to get a few in.

I know it’s an unpopular position but it’s being overproduced, when any commodity is plentiful it looses its value, even though the cost of producing it remains constant or indeed increases.

Lads there’s no point being busy fools !

Cavanjack

kk.man wrote: »

They wouldn't enough fridge space for day and night kills plus boning and packaging halls not be able to cope. I said this all during the strike there are limited space for the dead animal. Its all about 'just in time' production as first used by Toyota in Japan.
The day of the agent is over to and if POs take it will be the final nail.

Why is the day of the agent over?

kk.man

Cavanjack wrote: »

Why is the day of the agent over?

There is a plant near me that has got rid of them. You got through the procurement managers now. They recon its the new template. Some previous agents are just hauliers for them or moved to other factories.

epfff

If beef is as tight margins game as factory makes out by cutting agents they massively increase profit.

I have had problem with agents for a while now, They get nearly 2cent a kg and i dont see what value they offer to regular seller. Ok for the once a year seller they may offer advice on fat score etc but What i see going on around here they are just propaganda agents and dont even look at cattle because most of these farmers just want them gone.

Nobbies

_Brian wrote: »

Once the age limit remained in place it was obvious they would take the piss afterwards.

Slowing the kill just saves them money now and they will have back all they lost during the blockade and likely more.

Haven’t they access to the icbf numbers and so have a very accurate picture regarding cattle about to fall over the age limit.

Farmers are foolish to keep pushing beef into a system loaded against them. Everyone is best served then agents are out working hard to secure numbers rather than when the factory phone is ringing red hot with lads pleading to get a few in.

I know it’s an unpopular position but it’s being overproduced, when any commodity is plentiful it looses its value, even though the cost of producing it remains constant or indeed increases.

Lads there’s no point being busy fools !

It's a great shame that those on the blockade hadn't the sense to realise the truth of your last paragraph.
this thread wouldn't exist were it not for a blockade.
to the op yes i,m unable to get cattle killed at the moment.

_Brian

Nobbies wrote: »

It's a great shame that those on the blockade hadn't the sense to realise the truth of your last paragraph.
this thread wouldn't exist were it not for a blockade.
to the op yes i,m unable to get cattle killed at the moment.

I hate that it is like this but that’s the simple fact.

Base price

@ Brian - link to DAFM website, click on last one on the page and it gives the current livestock numbers by age for both beef and dairy bred animals. It doesn't take a scholar to extrapolate this data.
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/animalhealthwelfare/animalidentificationmovement/cattle/bovinebirthandmovementsmonthlyreports/

Danzy

Nobbies wrote: »

It's a great shame that those on the blockade hadn't the sense to realise the truth of your last paragraph.
this thread wouldn't exist were it not for a blockade.
to the op yes i,m unable to get cattle killed at the moment.

Without the protests the problem would be a base of 3 Euro or less and factories content in knowing people would accept it.

Keep Sluicing

I sent 8 on Monday morning. Booked in last week. Uncle sent in 16 more today, booked in last friday. North Cork factory.

endacl

duffysfarm wrote: »

i was talking to some one earlier who has over 300 cattle to kill and cant get one of them kilt

kk.man

Factories have a preference for AA and HE cattle atm. They can't get enough of them and you will have a short run in time to get them killed.
U 30 month cattle are not plentiful either. There is a huge backup of everything else.

Hershall

Getting 4 or 5 killed per week nothing next week two weeks time again. Like pulling teeth

Danzy

Have a lot going this week coming, slow as f778.

Any speeding up in sight, just under 30 month cattle must be scaeve now seems it is heifers being killed 18 to 20 months being worked through now.

Who knows.

morphy87

Sorry what do you mean? Is it that they are taking a lot of cattle off you? I sent a load this week and he said he will be able to take another next week so maybe things are starting to turn hopefully, maybe cattle might not be as plentiful as we thought

aphextwit

No.

Danzy

morphy87 wrote: »

Sorry what do you mean? Is it that they are taking a lot of cattle off you? I sent a load this week and he said he will be able to take another next week so maybe things are starting to turn hopefully, maybe cattle might not be as plentiful as we thought

Sorry, meant a load, 15 Bullocks.

Hershall

Got last 2 killed last week.
Local factory gone fully off cows,bulls overage and heavy cattle. Next few weeks will be interesting!

johnnyw20

Anyone trying to get u24 bulls into the factory at the moment? Trying to get 5 away at the moment but factory have no appetite for them or any cattle tbh

1373

johnnyw20 wrote: »

Anyone trying to get u24 bulls into the factory at the moment? Trying to get 5 away at the moment but factory have no appetite for them or any cattle tbh

Depends on weights and fat scores

kevthegaff

Will numbers reduce start of next year?

Castlekeeper

I rang factory thus morning to book 10 cull cows I'm fattening in for about a months time, and he gave me day the end of November straight away. Munster factory.

wrangler

Castlekeeper wrote: »

I rang factory thus morning to book 10 cull cows I'm fattening in for about a months time, and he gave me day the end of November straight away. Munster factory.

John Heney has given a more realistic account of the damage of the protests on todays Indo, He always says it as it is and is well respected, hopefully the cause of the problem will take note or do they even care.

_Brian

My opinion would be the processors are creating much of the current scenario where it is so hard to get cattle killed so they can blame it back onto the pickets. Their hope is to never see a farmer ever complain about anything again and finally have them is a 100% submissive position permanently.

It’s win, win, win for them all the way now. They hold cattle back and then punish for being over age or over weight. And they blame the pickets for the whole thing.

wrangler

_Brian wrote: »

My opinion would be the processors are creating much of the current scenario where it is so hard to get cattle killed so they can blame it back onto the pickets. Their hope is to never see a farmer ever complain about anything again and finally have them is a 100% submissive position permanently.

It’s win, win, win for them all the way now. They hold cattle back and then punish for being over age or over weight. And they blame the pickets for the whole thing.

TBF they're killing 38000/wk which is as much as they've ever done.
If they wanted to piss off farmers they'd drop it to 25000.
There's only one crowd solely responsible for this cluster****. (I love that word, so descriptive)

MfMan

wrangler wrote: »

TBF they're killing 38000/wk which is as much as they've ever done.
If they wanted to piss off farmers they'd drop it to 25000.
There's only one crowd solely responsible for this cluster****. (I love that word, so descriptive)

Who would you blame if beef prices were sub €3.30/kilo?

manjou

wrangler wrote: »

John Heney has given a more realistic account of the damage of the protests on todays Indo, He always says it as it is and is well respected, hopefully the cause of the problem will take note or do they even care.

and if you read the last paragraph you will see how much a head he is back on last year over a 100 a head whose fault is that and that is the reason the protests started

wrangler

MfMan wrote: »

Who would you blame if beef prices were sub €3.30/kilo?

We couldn't get factories to increase price when English price was €1 more than here, don't know how anyone thought processors would increase price when english price was par.
Hard to see where any improvement in price can come from when the price is the same right across Europe, Processors can give €4/kg ........where do they go with it then. fill the fridges and stop buying. can't see that working either

blue5000

johnnyw20 wrote: »

Anyone trying to get u24 bulls into the factory at the moment? Trying to get 5 away at the moment but factory have no appetite for them or any cattle tbh

You'd want to have them booked in about two months before they're fit to kill. I dropped a few in to one of the local places today for a neighbour, no que, in, cattle off, washed trailer and out again in 15mins. Only 300 booked in there today according to the lad checking them in.

You'd wonder is that 38k figure correct? Maybe some are Polish cattle with 20%(?) value added by boning them here and qualifying for a bb sticker?

Muckit

wrangler wrote: »

There's only one crowd solely responsible for this cluster****. (I love that word, so descriptive)

More apt in the dairy calves 2020 thread!!

Danzy

wrangler wrote: »

TBF they're killing 38000/wk which is as much as they've ever done.
If they wanted to piss off farmers they'd drop it to 25000.
There's only one crowd solely responsible for this cluster****. (I love that word, so descriptive)

Things were clean lifting for beef up to the protests.

It was a goldmine, 5 great years passed.