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Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-09-2020 11:08am

longgonesilver wrote: »

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I don't think that any of the last three ministers knew much about these letters. Organising these took months.

It was flagged in the media in July, iirc. So it's been public knowledge for 2 months at least.

And 4 ministers, Cowen, Calleary, Martin and McConalogue.

longgonesilver · 06-09-2020 11:21am

Do you think that this was started since the election ?

wrangler · 06-09-2020 11:59am

DBK1 wrote: »

It’s hard to believe no one has pulled you up on your comment about “this pathetic country”. I’ve travelled most of the countries of Europe over a period of about 10 years from 2004 on for work. The one common factor I realised in every one of them is that there’s none of them could match Ireland as a country to work and live in. I can assure there is nothing pathetic about this country apart from some of the clowns living in it with that type of attitude towards it.

We have by far some of the best working conditions in the world. We also have some of the best infrastructure. Take for example our motorways, we may not have as many of them as other countries do but we’re getting there and the ones we do have are far superior as regards design and safety than there are in any other country.

We have some of the richest companies in the world from pharma and IT here and that’s down to good management by various governments over the years to keep them here as well as the fact that they can get well educated and capable staff.

If you call up to Bluebell in Dublin and take a look into IFA head office, that’s where’ll you’ll see “pathetic”. A farmers organisation that has failed all except the very richest of farmers while claiming to be the saviours, and elderly men fawning at them because they believe every fairytale being spouted by them. Now that’s pathetic, but that’s far from the reality for the rest of the country.

There’s a reason there are people of so many different nationalities living and working in Ireland and it’s because we have one of the best countries in the world to be in, far from a “pathetic country”.

The joke is on you, boy, If you were on one of the hospitals waiting lists you mightn't be as smart, If you were dealing with floods due to poor river maintenance, you mightn't be as smart either,
As for IFA, BEEF PLAN really showed them how to do it, if there was a silver bullet to increase cattle prices, IFA would have used it,instead of that we have beef processors trying to get justice for what was done to them last year, again the joke is on you boy.
As a 50ha farmer which couldn't be called a big farm, I have done very well thanks due to gettng taxpayers money into my bank account, so if you think there was some other lobby group involved, pray tell, again I think the joke is on you boy.
50000/yr income here tax free on 50 ha, tell me again what IFA haven't done

DBK1 · 06-09-2020 1:18pm

wrangler wrote: »

The joke is on you, boy, If you were on one of the hospitals waiting lists you mightn't be as smart, If you were dealing with floods due to poor river maintenance, you mightn't be as smart either,
As for IFA, BEEF PLAN really showed them how to do it, if there was a silver bullet to increase cattle prices, IFA would have used it,instead of that we have beef processors trying to get justice for what was done to them last year, again the joke is on you boy.
As a 50ha farmer which couldn't be called a big farm, I have done very well thanks due to gettng taxpayers money into my bank account, so if you think there was some other lobby group involved, pray tell, again I think the joke is on you boy.
50000/yr income here tax free on 50 ha, tell me again what IFA haven't done

There’s absolutely no joke on me “boy”. I could write a long reply and answer all of your points one by one but there’s no need for me arguing with you because you’ve done that job for me and it can all be narrowed down to one simple question now.

If life is that good that you’re earning €50k a year tax free without even working your farm then where on earth would you get the opinion that this was a “pathetic country”?

I’m afraid the joke is severely on you “boy” if that’s your position in life and you regard that as living in a pathetic country. To be honest I feel sorry for you, you obviously don’t know how to appreciate the good things in life.

ruwithme · 06-09-2020 1:42pm

Any chance of a bit less quoting of long winded posts. I think it can be figured who/what replies are being countered claims

Grueller · 06-09-2020 1:47pm

wrangler wrote: »

The joke is on you, boy, If you were on one of the hospitals waiting lists you mightn't be as smart, If you were dealing with floods due to poor river maintenance, you mightn't be as smart either,
As for IFA, BEEF PLAN really showed them how to do it, if there was a silver bullet to increase cattle prices, IFA would have used it,instead of that we have beef processors trying to get justice for what was done to them last year, again the joke is on you boy.
As a 50ha farmer which couldn't be called a big farm, I have done very well thanks due to gettng taxpayers money into my bank account, so if you think there was some other lobby group involved, pray tell, again I think the joke is on you boy.
50000/yr income here tax free on 50 ha, tell me again what IFA haven't done

What a mean spirited, condescending post. A real talking down to by your betters.

wrangler · 06-09-2020 1:47pm

ruwithme wrote: »

Any chance of a bit less quoting of long winded posts. I think it can be figured who/what replies are being countered claims

It's not that easy follow when people don't quote post, if a few get posted while you're writing it's very easy to get it wrong.
Some don't quote and it's sometimes difficult to know what they're on about

DBK1 · 06-09-2020 1:51pm

Grueller wrote: »

What a mean spirited, condescending post. A real talking down to by your betters.

Would you expect anything different from an IFA man. The IFA was the best organisation in the country for years. Farmers working hard for the betterment of their fellow farmers. Now it’s an old boys club and as long as they have as much as they can get then don’t change anything and don’t allow anything to be changed. And anyone that suggests otherwise should be talked down and told to shut up. It’s pathetic really!

wrangler · 06-09-2020 1:52pm

Grueller wrote: »

What a mean spirited, condescending post. A real talking down to by your betters.

His post was a typical beef plan type post, abuse and lies, stopping short of name calling.
It deserved to be talked down to

DBK1 · 06-09-2020 1:52pm

ruwithme wrote: »

Any chance of a bit less quoting of long winded posts. I think it can be figured who/what replies are being countered claims

It shouldn’t be an issue, the quote comes up in a different colour so it’s very easy to skip over and not read it.

DBK1 · 06-09-2020 1:52pm

wrangler wrote: »

It's not that easy follow when people don't quote post, if a few get posted while you're writing it's very easy to get it wrong.
Some don't quote and it's sometimes difficult to know what they're on about

Something we agree on!!

DBK1 · 06-09-2020 1:57pm

wrangler wrote: »

His post was a typical beef plan type post, abuse and lies, stopping short of name calling.
It deserved to be talked down to

My post has absolutely nothing to do with Beef Plan. I don’t think they still even exist! I have no affiliation to beef plan whatsoever. I did attend the protests last year the same as I’ve attended IFA organised protests many moons ago while not being an IFA member.

My post was about appreciation and pride in our country which is widely regarded around the world as being one of the best countries in the world and we have the over privileged here that think it’s a small pathetic country. And there was definitely no abuse or lies in it, all just truths that some people don’t like to hear.

wrangler · 06-09-2020 2:01pm

DBK1 wrote: »

Would you expect anything different from an IFA man. The IFA was the best organisation in the country for years. Farmers working hard for the betterment of their fellow farmers. Now it’s an old boys club and as long as they have as much as they can get then don’t change anything and don’t allow anything to be changed. And anyone that suggests otherwise should be talked down and told to shut up. It’s pathetic really!

so you're a begrudger that wants to take income off other farmers because that's what it boils down to.
I lobbied for those that had the same issues as myself and lobbied for those that deserved it but I'd be an idiot if I lobbied to reduce my own income.
Only a saddo would do that or expect me to do that

whelan2 · 06-09-2020 2:33pm

Ah lads no one wants to hear it anymore.....

wrangler · 06-09-2020 3:00pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Ah lads no one wants to hear it anymore.....

If I put up dirty lies about women in farming, you'd be first into refute them so come on.
We've a pathetic Government, public service, health service, so when i referred to a pathetic country, did I deserve what I got back,

jaymla627 · 06-09-2020 3:04pm

wrangler wrote: »

so you're a begrudger that wants to take income off other farmers because that's what it boils down to.
I lobbied for those that had the same issues as myself and lobbied for those that deserved it but I'd be an idiot if I lobbied to reduce my own income.
Only a saddo would do that or expect me to do that

You want your pension pot to continue unabated for work done 15 plus odd years ago while new entrants can whistle for a proper slice of bps, its self-preservation which is totally understandable but how you think you can actually defend your stance is bat s**t crazy, its illogical and nonsensical but having argued the toss with you before it's pointless

wrangler · 06-09-2020 3:04pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Ah lads no one wants to hear it anymore.....

Is this or is it not a dirty ageist comment .

''If you call up to Bluebell in Dublin and take a look into IFA head office, that’s where’ll you’ll see “pathetic”. A farmers organisation that has failed all except the very richest of farmers while claiming to be the saviours, and elderly men fawning at them because they believe every fairytale being spouted by them. Now that’s pathetic, but that’s far from the reality for the rest of the country.''

jaymla627 · 06-09-2020 3:08pm

wrangler wrote: »

Is this or is it not a dirty ageist comment .

''If you call up to Bluebell in Dublin and take a look into IFA head office, that’s where’ll you’ll see “pathetic”. A farmers organisation that has failed all except the very richest of farmers while claiming to be the saviours, and elderly men fawning at them because they believe every fairytale being spouted by them. Now that’s pathetic, but that’s far from the reality for the rest of the country.''

What's untruths are been said, your on the proverbial gravy trian while anyone that didn't inherit a good sfp from their parents our none at all while still trying to farm actively are severely impeded, you can't defend the indefensible and don't start rambling on about if your parents where any good they would have built up good entitlements at the time, you need to get over yourself ffs....

DBK1 · 06-09-2020 3:30pm

wrangler wrote: »

so you're a begrudger that wants to take income off other farmers because that's what it boils down to.
I lobbied for those that had the same issues as myself and lobbied for those that deserved it but I'd be an idiot if I lobbied to reduce my own income.
Only a saddo would do that or expect me to do that

I don’t want you to lobby for anything. I just also don’t want you calling Ireland a pathetic country. That’s what my argument was all about, the IFA part is just the tangent you picked up on. Unless you’ve experienced other countries you’ve no right to call Ireland pathetic and if you have experienced other countries and that’s still your opinion then I feel sorry for you.

DBK1 · 06-09-2020 3:31pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Ah lads no one wants to hear it anymore.....

Apologies Whelan, I just happen to think we’re in quite a good little country and don’t like to hear it being referred to as pathetic.

DBK1 · 06-09-2020 3:34pm

wrangler wrote: »

If I put up dirty lies about women in farming, you'd be first into refute them so come on.
We've a pathetic Government, public service, health service, so when i referred to a pathetic country, did I deserve what I got back,

I do agree with you as regards government and certain areas of public service but there’s nothing stopping you or I or any of the rest of the population putting our names forward for election to try change some of this but we don’t.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-09-2020 4:15pm

Mod note: And I think we can leave it at that. Move on to something else, we're a discussion site but we have a lot more in common with each other than different from each other.

Thanks.

Buford T. Justice

NcdJd · 06-09-2020 4:31pm

My two dogs went out and decided to roll in ****e. Oulfella out trying to nab them with the bottle of dettol... bad doggies.

Anyway nice day so far, I trialed sweetcorn this year but the plants didn't develop the way they should have. Might have been the drought earlier in the year but the silks seem to have been delayed and the tassles polin was well dispersed when the silks started forming from the cobs.

Put down 4000 plants but after looking at the time it takes to take off the leaves around the cobs etc its not worth the hassle looking at supplying commercially. Too hit and miss on quality and labour intensive. Anyway neighbours and friends are currently munching away on irish sweetcorn so happy out.

whelan2 · 06-09-2020 4:59pm

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Mod note: And I think we can leave it at that. Move on to something else, we're a discussion site but we have a lot more in common with each other than different from each other.

Thanks.

Buford T. Justice

It does get boring when the same stuff is continuously brought up by the same people. ....let it go

_Brian · 06-09-2020 5:24pm

Savage afternoon there folks.
Hammering about the garden cutting hedges, mowing grass planning out a wildflower area for the spring.

It would do your heart good. Plenty of time for good weather if the pesky rain would leave us alone.

NcdJd · 06-09-2020 5:34pm

_Brian wrote: »

Savage afternoon there folks.
Hammering about the garden cutting hedges, mowing grass planning out a wildflower area for the spring.

It would do your heart good. Plenty of time for good weather if the pesky rain would leave us alone.

Hopefully it will continue for a couple of days to give the lads a chance to get harvesting done. My favourite time of the year if the rain keeps away.

_Brian · 06-09-2020 5:51pm

NcdJd wrote: »

Hopefully it will continue for a couple of days to give the lads a chance to get harvesting done. My favourite time of the year if the rain keeps away.

Some bales to make yet ourselves. Ground is mixed at best.

kollegeknight · 06-09-2020 5:56pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Ah lads no one wants to hear it anymore.....

How is your dog and pup now?

Danzy · 06-09-2020 5:59pm

Lots of baling in West Cork today.

whelan2 · 06-09-2020 6:01pm

kollegeknight wrote: »

How is your dog and pup now?

Great thanks. She's still on noroclav. Pup keeps giving us heart attacks by hiding under the straw. Notice him getting bigger every day

Odelay · 06-09-2020 8:30pm

NcdJd wrote: »

My two dogs went out and decided to roll in ****e. Oulfella out trying to nab them with the bottle of dettol... bad doggies.

Anyway nice day so far, I trialed sweetcorn this year but the plants didn't develop the way they should have. Might have been the drought earlier in the year but the silks seem to have been delayed and the tassles polin was well dispersed when the silks started forming from the cobs.

Put down 4000 plants but after looking at the time it takes to take off the leaves around the cobs etc its not worth the hassle looking at supplying commercially. Too hit and miss on quality and labour intensive. Anyway neighbours and friends are currently munching away on irish sweetcorn so happy out.

Looks very tasty!

NcdJd · 06-09-2020 8:49pm

Odelay wrote: »

Looks very tasty!

Well worth putting a bit down in the garden. Straight off the stalk and into a pot of boiling water. No starch build up. You'd deffo taste the difference to the starchy ****e imported in for the supermarkets.

There are two growers in Ireland that supply on a commercial basis, one man in Cork and another in Dublin, not sure what outlets they supply but worth keeping an eye out this time of year for it.

Castlekeeper · 06-09-2020 9:29pm

NcdJd wrote: »

My two dogs went out and decided to roll in ****e. Oulfella out trying to nab them with the bottle of dettol... bad doggies.

Anyway nice day so far, I trialed sweetcorn this year but the plants didn't develop the way they should have. Might have been the drought earlier in the year but the silks seem to have been delayed and the tassles polin was well dispersed when the silks started forming from the cobs.

Put down 4000 plants but after looking at the time it takes to take off the leaves around the cobs etc its not worth the hassle looking at supplying commercially. Too hit and miss on quality and labour intensive. Anyway neighbours and friends are currently munching away on irish sweetcorn so happy out.

They look alright ! Nom nom
I used to eat away the maize when we grew it, and that was still way better than the shop stuff.
The tassles were the best tasting bits.

wrangler · 06-09-2020 9:30pm

NcdJd wrote: »

My two dogs went out and decided to roll in ****e. Oulfella out trying to nab them with the bottle of dettol... bad doggies.

Anyway nice day so far, I trialed sweetcorn this year but the plants didn't develop the way they should have. Might have been the drought earlier in the year but the silks seem to have been delayed and the tassles polin was well dispersed when the silks started forming from the cobs.

Put down 4000 plants but after looking at the time it takes to take off the leaves around the cobs etc its not worth the hassle looking at supplying commercially. Too hit and miss on quality and labour intensive. Anyway neighbours and friends are currently munching away on irish sweetcorn so happy out.

They don't ripen great around here, weather isn't good enough, we grow them in the veggy tunnel though....... delish

Buford T. Justice XIX · 06-09-2020 10:58pm

2020 just doesn't stop giving:(
https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1302714045410217985?s=19

NcdJd · 06-09-2020 11:05pm

I just realised that when someone ends a post with TIA it means Thanks in advance. Up until now I thought it was someone signing off with their name - Tia. I was thinking to myself that's a popular name..

Good loser · 07-09-2020 12:54am

_Brian wrote: »

Not since he used his “do you know who I am” routine roadside and got out of his illegal phone use conviction.

**** him, this day was long waiting in the long grass for him and I’d rather we had nobody representing us than that big ignorant pig.

Looks like McGunness will be out there, she has always seemed a decent level human being and should represent us well, remember there are other ways to negotiate other than being known for being as ignorant as a jackass.

Suggest you read the 22 letters to the Farmers Journal last week written in support of Phil Hogan and bemoaning the decision to call for his resignation.
Several of them detail instances of how effective and brilliant (yes) he was at the jobs he was allocated in Europe. Spectacular own goal by Martin, Ryan & others.
A bad, sad day for Ireland.

_Brian · 07-09-2020 7:00am

Good loser wrote: »

Suggest you read the 22 letters to the Farmers Journal last week written in support of Phil Hogan and bemoaning the decision to call for his resignation.
Several of them detail instances of how effective and brilliant (yes) he was at the jobs he was allocated in Europe. Spectacular own goal by Martin, Ryan & others.
A bad, sad day for Ireland.

So he has 22 supporters.
He must be so relieved.

_Brian · 07-09-2020 7:02am

Anyone with LC results due in the house today ???

Niece is waiting, talking to her mum last night and they were expecting a no sleep night.

Tonynewholland · 07-09-2020 7:05am

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

2020 just doesn't stop giving:(
https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1302714045410217985?s=19

Were you expecting honesty from their side. With Tony Abbott there now I don’t think the brexit negotiations are getting any easier from an Irish point of view

_Brian · 07-09-2020 7:17am

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

2020 just doesn't stop giving:(
https://twitter.com/simoncoveney/status/1302714045410217985?s=19

Probably load of auld blister.
When your in a weak position keep talking like your in control.

Truth is Borris and his rich buddies don’t care how this goes their off shore accounts are safe from the reach of Europe which secures their financial future

The little people can eat cake.

The big fear I see trotted our from Irish farmers is we will loose out market for beef. As farmers we shouldn’t care. The vast vast majority of Irish farms are making no money from beef while everyone else in the beef chain gets rich. Why should we worry about loosing a business that’s non profit making.

wrangler · 07-09-2020 7:37am

_Brian wrote: »

So he has 22 supporters.
He must be so relieved.

One more here so 23 .
The begrudgery of the Irish came to the fore on this issue.
Metaphorically they didn't just shoot themselves in the foot they shot themselves in the head.
It definitely wasn't his personality that got him those positions but his ability to get deals across the line.
As I say we're the joke of Europe now, 'twas bad enough with our Ag ministers.

_Brian · 07-09-2020 7:55am

Was following a short on fence yesterday and found a stretch of white wire down.

As I approached I could hear it shorting out.

Was horrified to find a poor hedgehog curled round the wire dead as a stone. Feck sake. Only spotted first hedgehog on the place this year and that could have been it

I’m thinking they aren’t the most robust of creatures ??

wrangler · 07-09-2020 7:57am

_Brian wrote: »

Anyone with LC results due in the house today ???

Niece is waiting, talking to her mum last night and they were expecting a no sleep night.

Saying on the telly this morning that there's a massive increase in grades, so much so that those that took a year out are at a huge disadvantage competing against this years grades..
Was talking to my niece yesterday who said her daughter reckoned it was so far out of her control that she wasn't bothered, she'd have flew it in the conventional leaving cert

whelan2 · 07-09-2020 8:12am

I can't understand if the department have the results from the schools for 3 months what has taken so long to give out the results? Normally they are out in mid August after bring manually corrected

Odelay · 07-09-2020 9:09am

wrangler wrote: »

Saying on the telly this morning that there's a massive increase in grades, so much so that those that took a year out are at a huge disadvantage competing against this years grades..
Was talking to my niece yesterday who said her daughter reckoned it was so far out of her control that she wasn't bothered, she'd have flew it in the conventional leaving cert

I heard on radio 1 this morning that it was a 4% increase on last year.

_Brian · 07-09-2020 9:27am

whelan2 wrote: »

I can't understand if the department have the results from the schools for 3 months what has taken so long to give out the results? Normally they are out in mid August after bring manually corrected

Using same system as U.K., wouldn’t be surprised if they held out to see how it went there. They have considerably changed approach at last minute based on the train wreck in U.K.

Easier to have students hold out rather than have to backtrack like the U.K. did.

_Brian · 07-09-2020 9:28am

Odelay wrote: »

I heard on radio 1 this morning that it was a 4% increase on last year.

That’s quite insignificant really

_Brian · 07-09-2020 9:46am

Jjameson wrote: »

Irish water before he went,
Let our dairy farmers eat cake if they can’t afford bread
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/european-milk-board-calls-for-removal-of-incompetent-commissioner-hogan/

Then the sacrifice Irish beef farmers should make for European manufacturing exports to South America. He couldn’t get mercoser done quick enough.
Precedent would suggest Ireland having a player in the seat playing for himself, not the country.
Arrogance, belligerent but charismatic and personable when it suited him.
We may have dodged a huge billet here thank goodness.

We can’t have people who break the rules and lie to cover their ass representing us as public representatives. We need to hold all public representatives to a higher standard.

The notion that we should overlook a public representative being the sort of person that lies and feels the laws don’t apply to them just on the off chance he might do us a good turn is stupid. If someone is untrustworthy and a liar directly to us, how do people think this person would do anything other than things that better THEIR own self and be damned to everyone else.

We’re better without him

wrangler · 07-09-2020 11:11am

Jjameson wrote: »

Irish water before he went,
Let our dairy farmers eat cake if they can’t afford bread
https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/european-milk-board-calls-for-removal-of-incompetent-commissioner-hogan/

Then the sacrifice Irish beef farmers should make for European manufacturing exports to South America. He couldn’t get mercoser done quick enough.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-and-food/phil-hogan-says-compromises-had-to-be-made-in-mercosur-deal-1.3941782?mode=amp

Precedent would suggest Ireland having a player in the seat playing for himself, not the country.
Arrogance, belligerent but charismatic and personable when it suited him.
We may have dodged a huge bullet here thank goodness.

Is that not the same situation as blaming the government here for bad beef prices due to the overproduction.

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