Beef AI/Bulls MEGATHREAD

Lady Haywire · 14-11-2019 8:32pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

The show calf game is the biggest Pyramid scheme going.

Ah but it's great while it's there, for me I can sell stock and buyers can see stock!

squinn2912 · 14-11-2019 8:42pm

bogman_bass wrote: »

The reason I say that is that like any pyramid scheme it’s based on the idea of “if you buy what I have you can be rich like me”. The lads at the top make money but the masses below lose their shirt chasing a dream.

I totally agree with you I’m not arguing. It’s a cloud floating around based on a myth. These big outfits propping each other up to buy animals at a ransom and then the small man gets fooled into giving way over the odds. Prices like that you wouldn’t get for pedigree stock you’d think they were buying fur coats

patsy_mccabe · 14-11-2019 9:42pm

The "I buy you stock and you buy mine" still goes on in the pedigree game.

Sheep breeder · 14-11-2019 10:01pm

dodo mommy wrote: »

Anyone know what part of the country the €4750 heifer went to?

She would be a cheap heifer if she looses the calf. Utter madness and all for to drive lads mad to buy them.

squinn2912 · 14-11-2019 10:08pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

The "I buy you stock and you buy mine" still goes on in the pedigree game.

Of course it does. In fact, it goes on with every type of stock. I saw an agent a few weeks ago buying and selling 25-30 animals. When one he was selling went on the market he threw on half a dozen bids himself. You couldn’t be up to people.

But as much as it goes on with all cattle it’s got to be rife with these flecked show ones. When they’re not a fad anymore what happens

furandfeather · 14-11-2019 10:36pm

It's a hobby for lads. Don't be trying to make sense of it all through normal farming logic.
Always makes me laugh of how upset people get every year when these sales take place.

DukeCaboom · 14-11-2019 10:40pm

furandfeather wrote: »

It's a hobby for lads. Don't be trying to make sense of it all through normal farming logic.
Always makes me laugh of how upset people get every year when these sales take place.

Well said. I'd a friend who bought a time trial bike for €3500, easily justified it by saying he never went to Oz drinking pints and chasing women like every one else.

squinn2912 · 23-11-2019 9:20am

Ai man coming in half an hour to serve two lim heifers. Just over the 400kgs so not big girls. Any recommendations for what to put in them?

Seanhorse91 · 23-11-2019 11:16am

squinn2912 wrote: »

Ai man coming in half an hour to serve two lim heifers. Just over the 400kgs so not big girls. Any recommendations for what to put in them?

Moondharrig knell lm4217 if munster, ewendale ivor lm2014 if with dovea

patsy_mccabe · 23-11-2019 11:27am

Seanhorse91 wrote: »

Moondharrig knell lm4217 if munster, ewendale ivor lm2014 if with dovea

Is LM2014 still available?

Simmental. · 23-11-2019 11:43am

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Is LM2014 still available?

Did something happen to him?

patsy_mccabe · 23-11-2019 11:44am

Simmental. wrote: »

Did something happen to him?

I thought someone said on here before that he was gone.

tanko · 23-11-2019 12:12pm

That turned out to be wrong at the time, he was available in June anyway.
His docility figure on ICBF isn't good, are his calves a bit lively?

Lady Haywire · 23-11-2019 1:03pm

What did you decide in the end squinn2912?

I'm a bit late to the party but not seen a bad KZH calf yet.

Meant to post this earlier, but can't link Twitter off the phone.
Under serious pressure with the calf (s) in her when she lies down. Poor lass.
https://twitter.com/LadyHaywire/status/1197194431641870336

patsy_mccabe · 23-11-2019 2:13pm

I have a cow like that when she was incalf to a char. Once I switched to Limosuin on her, she has being fine since. She's 15 years old now, so can't complain.

charolais0153 · 23-11-2019 2:30pm

tanko wrote: »

That turned out to be wrong at the time, he was available in June anyway.
His docility figure on ICBF isn't good, are his calves a bit lively?

1 calf here, a whopper but lively

squinn2912 · 23-11-2019 7:13pm

Seanhorse91 wrote: »

Moondharrig knell lm4217 if munster, ewendale ivor lm2014 if with dovea

Just seeing this now. And what d’ya know 2xIvor and 1xKnell. Not that pushed on docility score of knell hope they don’t end up crazies

Now just noticing all the other replies. Phone didn’t notify me. Thanks guys. My Ai man loves Ivor. Knell worries me a little but then so did Bollide and that wee heifer is bulled now. My policy is not to go lim ai as we have a lim bull (most of these heifers his daughters so soon a new issue) but nothing sells like it or ch in our area

Who2 · 23-11-2019 9:17pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Just seeing this now. And what d’ya know 2xIvor and 1xKnell. Not that pushed on docility score of knell hope they don’t end up crazies

Now just noticing all the other replies. Phone didn’t notify me. Thanks guys. My Ai man loves Ivor. Knell worries me a little but then so did Bollide and that wee heifer is bulled now. My policy is not to go lim ai as we have a lim bull (most of these heifers his daughters so soon a new issue) but nothing sells like it or ch in our area

I’ve a heifer off bolide here, coming 12 months and I wouldn’t be impressed with her temperament. As for Charolais they sell well anywhere it’s a pity they aren’t a bit tougher as calves.

squinn2912 · 23-11-2019 9:23pm

Who2 wrote: »

I’ve a heifer off bolide here, coming 12 months and I wouldn’t be impressed with her temperament. As for Charolais they sell well anywhere it’s a pity they aren’t a bit tougher as calves.

Yea our wee girl is a lovely one and panics a bit when cornered but she’s grand. I find all parthanese dislike handling or being annoyed they’re very irritable. Make good wee cows though.
Ah I know that about the Charolais of course. My point is that outside of lim, ch and maybe a bb you don’t get much here round the ring

dodo mommy · 23-11-2019 9:47pm

tanko wrote: »

That turned out to be wrong at the time, he was available in June anyway.
His docility figure on ICBF isn't good, are his calves a bit lively?

I have a ped bull off him 11 months old he used to be going around the field bawling during the summer I thought not good, but sence he went in he is a pet no problem scratching him in the pin on his own just stands their.

patsy_mccabe · 28-11-2019 9:48am

How in the name of God can a bull drop from -1.70Kg milk at 97% Rel to -3.00kg at 98% in just 2 months. The mighty ZAG folks. What he hell is going on here?
It looks like his daughters are just calving down now. Just prooves that they can tell fook all from the Genomics testing.

squinn2912 · 29-11-2019 5:46pm

Apologies if this has already been covered but I’ve been advised to stay clear of Lodge Hamlet. Calves meant to be stone wild. Any experience that?

Mac Taylor · 29-11-2019 5:52pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Apologies if this has already been covered but I’ve been advised to stay clear of Lodge Hamlet. Calves meant to be stone wild. Any experience that?

I only have the one.....no issue with temperament....a lot of pedigree breeders using him and again I have not heard of any issue

tanko · 29-11-2019 5:57pm

He has a very good score for docility on ICBF.
Lm2014 has a very poor score for docility on there.
I've no calves off either yet.

tanko · 29-11-2019 5:59pm

Mac Taylor wrote: »

I only have the one.....no issue with temperament....a lot of pedigree breeders using him and again I have not heard of any issue

What age is yours, what do you think of Lodge Hamlet?

Mac Taylor · 29-11-2019 6:02pm

tanko wrote: »

What age is yours, what do you think of Lodge Hamlet?

He is shapey but I’m not sure how much he will grow up:D. I get a photo tomorrow.

squinn2912 · 29-11-2019 6:50pm

tanko wrote: »

He has a very good score for docility on ICBF.
Lm2014 has a very poor score for docility on there.
I've no calves off either yet.

Yea I can see into that. I’d some very jumpy calves but I think they’d have come, I sold them. No hamlet here

patsy_mccabe · 30-11-2019 11:28am

squinn2912 wrote: »

Apologies if this has already been covered but I’ve been advised to stay clear of Lodge Hamlet. Calves meant to be stone wild. Any experience that?

I've a young Lodge Hamlet bull here. Extremely quiet animal. I expect him to be vertically challenged too.

Heifers by him will be a disaster, I think. Just don't look right from what I've seen of them. No milk either.

Hard Knocks · 30-11-2019 12:40pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I've a young Lodge Hamlet bull here. Extremely quiet animal. I expect him to be vertically challenged too.
Heifers by him will be a disaster, I think. Just don't look right from what I've seen of them. No milk either.

Talk cow with lots of milk needed so

Sheep breeder · 30-11-2019 7:06pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I've a young Lodge Hamlet bull here. Extremely quiet animal. I expect him to be vertically challenged too.
Heifers by him will be a disaster, I think. Just don't look right from what I've seen of them. No milk either.

Would there be a little bit of something else in his back ground to make him small!!!!

patsy_mccabe · 30-11-2019 8:01pm

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Would there be a little bit of something else in his back ground to make him small!!!!

That's what I think too. The heifers I saw look like bb' s anyway.
His myostatin status is nt821/+. All the belgian blues are nt821/nt821.

DukeCaboom · 30-11-2019 8:18pm

If you search #lodgehamlet into Instagram theres some serious stock, mainly English.

tanko · 30-11-2019 8:21pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Talk cow with lots of milk needed so

I'd say you'd need a Holstein cow to have a Lodge Hamlet daughter with any milk.
I noticed today that the sires of Gamin (ZGM) and Loyal (LM4184) are full brothers.

patsy_mccabe · 30-11-2019 8:41pm

tanko wrote: »

I'd say you'd need a Holstein cow to have a Lodge Hamlet daughter with any milk.
I noticed today that the sires of Gamin (ZGM) and Loyal (LM4184) are full brothers.

Is it not Rocky (rox) and Loyal?

tanko · 30-11-2019 8:45pm

Rocky and Laurel have the same sire, Jacot.

patsy_mccabe · 30-11-2019 8:57pm

tanko wrote: »

Rocky and Laurel have the same sire, Jacot.

Sorry, misread what you said.

annubis · 01-12-2019 10:59am

anyone have any cows/heifers by netherhall jackpot, ive one not a iliion miles from calving..doesnt look like she is going to have much milk:(

tanko · 01-12-2019 1:43pm

annubis wrote: »

anyone have any cows/heifers by netherhall jackpot, ive one not a iliion miles from calving..doesnt look like she is going to have much milk:(

Looking at his breeding he's very poor for milk, he looks like a hard calved muscle machine.
What's the mother off, any milk coming from that side?
Might be no harm to have some biestings handy if there's nothing there for the calf when it arrives.

Who2 · 01-12-2019 1:51pm

Anyone any experience with tomschoice jet?

annubis · 01-12-2019 2:17pm

tanko wrote: »

Looking at his breeding he's very poor for milk, he looks like a hard calved muscle machine.
What's the mother off, any milk coming from that side?
Might be no harm to have some biestings handy if there's nothing there for the calf when it arrives.

big panda cow, ya pretty good for milk, jackpot stars changed totally from ai ing time to when this lady arrived and yes definitely hard calved, wouldnt use again

Sugarbowl · 01-12-2019 5:12pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I've a young Lodge Hamlet bull here. Extremely quiet animal. I expect him to be vertically challenged too.
Heifers by him will be a disaster, I think. Just don't look right from what I've seen of them. No milk either.

How was lodge hamlet to calve? On say your average plain cow

patsy_mccabe · 01-12-2019 5:38pm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

How was lodge hamlet to calve? On say your average plain cow

He's easy calving. No worries calving on cows.

rushvalley · 11-12-2019 10:22pm

Is there any calves on the ground by LM4908? (Dovea)

Baalbec10 · 11-12-2019 10:37pm

It would be highly unlikely, he is new to the ai station, a young bull

patsy_mccabe · 11-12-2019 11:04pm

rushvalley wrote: »

Is there any calves on the ground by LM4908? (Dovea)

None up on ICBF anyway.

squinn2912 · 12-12-2019 8:21am

Our bull has some similar breeding sire side as This bull LM4908 def like the Haltcliffe style. Vantastic on the other end couldn’t be bad would he be hard calving?

tanko · 16-12-2019 8:40pm

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Here's a pic of my Lodge Hamlet bull calf. About 10 days old now. Born smallish but already a bit of shape to him.

How did this lad turn out?

patsy_mccabe · 16-12-2019 8:57pm

tanko wrote: »

How did this lad turn out?

Worst one I have. He also got bad mange. I think the mother didnt have enough milk. Maybe that's why. He's healthy enough though, so he may pull away next year. We'll see.

Massey35x · 19-12-2019 1:41pm

Hi all. Looking for some advice. Have a heifer I'm hoping to AI next year. She out of rws rosemount cash and a black simmental cow. What bull would you recommend for her. She will be calving at approx. 24 months all going well. I tried to post a picture but seems to be restrictions on new members.

tanko · 19-12-2019 2:41pm

Which Ai company do you use?
It's hard to look past Ewdenvale Ivor LM2014 from Dovea for heifers.

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