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WWE Releases 2020

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Monokne wrote: »
    "Would you like to have no job in a pandemic? :D

    They cut them.

    The NXT releases will be the most interesting thing because they've so much good talent stockpiled down there.

    The main roster cuts I can understand, giys like Rusev Mike Bennett, The Revival, Zack Ryder, Kurt Anglr Gallows Anderson... all you would imagine would be on decent money and it would make sense to cut.

    The liked of Deonna us an odd one. Heaps of in ring ability, you would imagine shes on a low enough contract and would he worth holding onto

    Id have realeased, Tyler Breeze, Fandango or Towzwa iver her as they had main roster contracts and rarely used.

    Hell from a talent POV Kona Reeves, or Shotzi Blackheart woukd get the boot first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,885 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    J. Marston wrote: »
    Tamina is sitting back on a lounger with a cocktail. She'd survive a fúcking nuke, useless wagon.

    At least Logan tried to get better.

    Shes like the guy who was in Cryme Tyme who took years to get released

    The Singh Brothers survived too


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,803 ✭✭✭Sirsok


    Norman Smiley gone. I really enjoyed him back in WCW , was a highly regarded trainer it seemed also


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    Sirsok wrote: »
    Norman Smiley gone. I really enjoyed him back in WCW , was a highly regarded trainer it seemed also

    There was a fake Twitter saying he was gone but no confirmation of it anywhere


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    From about 3 minutes on Brian Zane absolutely nails it. Also love his call to support independent wrestling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭Monokne


    Sirsok wrote: »
    Norman Smiley gone. I really enjoyed him back in WCW , was a highly regarded trainer it seemed also

    The same twitter account also used to pretend to be Samu from the Headshrinkers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Omackeral wrote: »
    From about 3 minutes on Brian Zane absolutely nails it. Also love his call to support independent wrestling.


    OTT is one of the best independent wrestling companies in the world, look at the talent they had coming over for their shows, the AEW Champion Jon Moxley (said it in my head as the AEW ring announcer) :D NWA is another cracker of a company doing the right things. Indies are vital to the business.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    If you look at it., a lot of the stars yesterday were RAW talents, so is NXT next or Smackdown talent? Either way I think this has been coming WWE have been holding onto talent just so they wouldn’t go anywhere else. Rowan shocked me I’ve to say, most of the others didn’t rally with their lack of usage. Then again when you think it Rowan and how stupid that spider thing was at the end. Joining Brodie Lee in AEW would be tasty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    If you look at it., a lot of the stars yesterday were RAW talents, so is NXT next or Smackdown talent? Either way I think this has been coming WWE have been holding onto talent just so they wouldn’t go anywhere else. Rowan shocked me I’ve to say, most of the others didn’t rally with their lack of usage. Then again when you think it Rowan and how stupid that spider thing was at the end. Joining Brodie Lee in AEW would be tasty.



    That was the talk last night
    That yesterday was the Raw cull
    nXt will be today
    Smackdown Saturday/Monday


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    A lot of jabronis and younger talent cut.

    One really only high profile talent cut and that was Kurt Angle. Kurt doesn't seem to have the mind to be a producer so I can see why he was giving the booth.

    Ruthless stuff but for the talent that was cut not surprising. Many had more than enough chances to make inroads but just didnt have the "it" factor.

    Im sure they will do well in smaller promotions like NWA, ROH, AEW and New Japan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,284 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Looks like Kassius Ohno, aka Chris Hero is gone as well. He's moved to the alumni section. They're pretty quick in updating that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    ricero wrote: »
    A lot of jabronis and younger talent cut.

    One really only high profile talent cut and that was Kurt Angle. Kurt doesn't seem to have the mind to be a producer so I can see why he was giving the booth.

    Ruthless stuff but for the talent that was cut not surprising. Many had more than enough chances to make inroads but just didnt have the "it" factor.

    Im sure they will do well in smaller promotions like NWA, ROH, AEW and New Japan.


    Jaboronis? A lot were guys that were misused or were depushed despite getting themselved over.

    Rusev could be have been a main event player had they put him over Cena at WM31. Following that the try bury the guy in horrible angles due to supposed heat on his wife. Then he gets himself over with Rusev day and they dont know how to capatlise on it.

    Zack Ryder got himself over, despite WWE trying to hold him back and then they bury him. Without Zack Ryder, WWEs social platforms would be years behind.

    Lio Rush is so talented, and he proved that both as Lashleys mouth piece, which would go down well these days even more so with empty arenas and as a cruiserweight champ. Hes like Riochet but with a personality. What a waste.

    Deonna is so good in ring, and yet shes spent two years in NXT and when shes on TV she has put over folk which are nowhere near decent yet.

    Drake is so good at everything. He does anything hes asked and he is a hell of a performer both inside and out. Theres not much he cant do. ****ing waste.

    EC3 never got a chance to reach the heights he can achieve. Hed be a decent midcarder and way better than Corbin, Mojo or any of the Forgotten Sons.

    Chris Hero is a hell of a worker. Never got used right at all.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,407 Mod ✭✭✭✭DM_7


    Can't really respond to a jabroni comment with a good worker type description. The are opposite ends of the scale and ignore the many things in between that make a person of value to WWE.

    Obviusly that jabroni comment was a barb in anticipation of the inevitable replies to how a Hero is a great worker or Rusev got himself over. Aimed to be dismissive of their ability to be significant performers at a significant level over time.

    The truth is in the middle, as fans we always look at certain people and wish they would do more with them. Some prove the WWE wrong and end up back in with them in good spots if they get released. Rusev could well go the way of a Sandow very easily once outside the WWE bubble. Hero is probably best placed on the indy circuit if he wants to perform rather than teaching how to work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    That was the talk last night
    That yesterday was the Raw cull
    nXt will be today
    Smackdown Saturday/Monday

    If that’s true we’re in for some nightmare days in regards to our fav wrestlers, WWE stock will hit the floor, might be a good time to invest. US time is a bit behind so might be the late afternoon till names start rolling. Isn’t it weird that Drake Maverick is still in this tournament unless it’s pre-recorded? Is it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    doesnt matter if we think there good or bad workers or entertainers its never good to see people lose their jobs especially in this environment


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭Officer999


    Can definitely see EC3 return to Impact


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,221 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Jaboronis? A lot were guys that were misused or were depushed despite getting themselved over.

    Rusev could be have been a main event player had they put him over Cena at WM31. Following that the try bury the guy in horrible angles due to supposed heat on his wife. Then he gets himself over with Rusev day and they dont know how to capatlise on it.

    Zack Ryder got himself over, despite WWE trying to hold him back and then they bury him. Without Zack Ryder, WWEs social platforms would be years behind

    Funny you mention those two. Those guys were the biggest examples of getting yourself over and WWE saying "No thanks" and both were narratively castrated with Ryder, in a wheelchair, watching Cena kiss his on-screen girlfriend and Lashley and Lana wearing the face off each other while standing over Rusev.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    I still don't get what the hell the WWE were thinking when it came to Ryder, treat him like crap, bury him and destroy his creativity and merch making ability, but then continue to employ him for years and years, and it must have been good enough money for him not to leave


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭Monokne


    Dave Meltzer had a good breakdown on WWE financials last night.

    They are on course to derive in excess of a billion dollars this year between the money generated in the first quarter, their remaining TV deals, the network and merch money. If they didn't get a cent from the network or merch the rest of the year, they would still end up with $850 million in revenue.

    Their goal is still to end up with $140 million in profit.

    So thankfully they aren't going out of business. I know we were all worried for a second there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,284 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    I still don't get what the hell the WWE were thinking when it came to Ryder, treat him like crap, bury him and destroy his creativity and merch making ability, but then continue to employ him for years and years, and it must have been good enough money for him not to leave

    And randomly give him big Mania moments, winning the IC title and tag titles. Lost the IC title the next night then, I think


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I know the rosters were bloated and lots of wrestlers doing nothing but more wrestlers were getting money and making a living. That sounds like I'm defending WWE but I'm not I'm just thinking of the wrestling business as a whole as the more people making a living from wrestling the better in my opinion. That what AEW is a good thing because more places to work.

    The supposed savings of $4 million a month is hardly going to break WWE as at worst it doesn't make record profits for the year like it has this year and at worst the WWE network stays as is with little to no new archive content for 2020 and at best they see an uptick in subscribers because people at home look to streaming services.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    And on the $18.5 million donation from the super PAC that Linda McMahon is in charge of seems to conflated that WWE gave that money when it's not true. Linda McMahon and vince may have given money to it but they didn't give the full amount. Yes it looks dodgy as **** given the timing and the fact that WWE is now considered essential media but a super PAC is made of of many donors so it was a collective.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    And randomly give him big Mania moments, winning the IC title and tag titles. Lost the IC title the next night then, I think

    Yeah I watched that Mania match last night, crowd were big into it. And then they just throw away all the good will the very next night, to give the miz another push :rolleyes:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I haven't seen any video of it but apparently Seth Rollins was slightly tone deaf of the releases yesterday. Now this was something I read but did anyone else see or read anything about it ? In fairness I could have been someone who doesn't like Rollins saying this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I know the rosters were bloated and lots of wrestlers doing nothing but more wrestlers were getting money and making a living. That sounds like I'm defending WWE but I'm not I'm just thinking of the wrestling business as a whole as the more people making a living from wrestling the better in my opinion. That what AEW is a good thing because more places to work.

    The supposed savings of $4 million a month is hardly going to break WWE as at worst it doesn't make record profits for the year like it has this year and at worst the WWE network stays as is with little to no new archive content for 2020 and at best they see an uptick in subscribers because people at home look to streaming services.


    Thing is WWE horded loads of talent over the last few years, and never realesed anyone. They should have realsed these guys ages ago and give them a chance to work elsewhere.

    Releasing them no when they have no where else to work is a dick move.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Thing is WWE horded loads of talent over the last few years, and never realesed anyone. They should have realsed these guys ages ago and give them a chance to work elsewhere.

    Releasing them no when they have no where else to work is a dick move.

    this, i think if these releases happen in January before all this kicked off it would sad but most would seeing it as needed as theyve hoarded for too long

    but releasing them know when they cant go anywhere else although i could see a debut at double if theres no no compete clause is just a dick move as youve said


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,491 ✭✭✭thebostoncrab


    Ryder for me is the biggest case of missed opportunity since the early 00s. Don't get me wrong, he was never going to the face of the company or a long-term main event guy, but he had everything need to be a consistent feature in the upper-mid card, dipping in and out of transitional feuds for main event heels. He had the look, was good in the ring, and had a ton of personality. The fans really did love him, and it was displayed any time he got to take part in a moment. And he has an amazing baby-face story from his real life that makes him someone that you can put in front of younger kids as someone to look up to (He had cancer as a kid). Even on that, I don't get why they didn't even put him in for more Make A Wish stuff, sending a WWE Superstar that had cancer as a kid to seriously ill kids is an amazing way to make inspirational moment for those kids.

    He shifted so much merch at the time of his YouTube series, and I believe at one stage was the number one seller in WWE Shop. And where do we even begin when it comes to the impact he had on social media for wrestling as a whole. I'd argue that without Z! True Long Island Story not only would WWE's social media not be the award winning power house that it is now, but we wouldn't have Being The Elite, which by virtue means we might not have had AEW as it stands now. That's not a stretch, you can see the impact he had on the "business side of the business" everywhere. Then you combine his passion for collectables, he could have been a massive backstage help for R&D for WWE Shop and their partnerships with Mattell. And the sweetest bit? He was a lifer. There would have been 0 fear of him ever leaving WWE, and would do anything to help give back to the company.

    Instead, because he got himself over, he was buried and buried terribly. He was publically humiliated and humbled, simply because his biggest crime was believing in himself and connecting with the fans.

    I hope he goes to AEW, more than anyone else that got let go this week (Ok, I also want Rusev and The Revival there also). If it happens, I guarantee you he will become of their biggest assets backstage and for developing the company, and be one of their best assets in the ring also. I'd put the house on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,189 ✭✭✭ThePott


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I haven't seen any video of it but apparently Seth Rollins was slightly tone deaf of the releases yesterday. Now this was something I read but did anyone else see or read anything about it ? In fairness I could have been someone who doesn't like Rollins saying this.
    https://twitter.com/AlexM_talkSPORT/status/1250567762617008129

    People are taking it that he is saying don't be negative towards WWE while they feel you should be negative towards them because of all this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88


    thought that was interesting when people kept sayng they had 500 million in cash which they dont and have 350 million in Liabilities

    doesnt excuse what they did still

    https://twitter.com/barnettjake/status/1250535470855081984?s=20


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,284 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    And on the $18.5 million donation from the super PAC that Linda McMahon is in charge of seems to conflated that WWE gave that money when it's not true. Linda McMahon and vince may have given money to it but they didn't give the full amount. Yes it looks dodgy as **** given the timing and the fact that WWE is now considered essential media but a super PAC is made of of many donors so it was a collective.

    Started reading that thinking "PAC did what?"

    Maybe not to this level, but weren't there usually post Mania releases?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    Started reading that thinking "PAC did what?"

    Maybe not to this level, but weren't there usually post Mania releases?

    There's used to be two I think one post mania and one in the autumn time but they stopped that and yeah the releases were a couple of people and not to this amount in one go. I really hope that there isn't cuts from nxt today and smackdown over the weekend.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    Anyone think the FOX deal might be in jeopardy or FOX pushing them for more star quality and turf out deadwood? Billion Dollar deal surely they’ve the Bull by the horns when it comes to what goes on. Just a thought be interested to see what ye all think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Ryder for me is the biggest case of missed opportunity since the early 00s. Don't get me wrong, he was never going to the face of the company or a long-term main event guy, but he had everything need to be a consistent feature in the upper-mid card, dipping in and out of transitional feuds for main event heels. He had the look, was good in the wrong, and had a ton of personality. The fans really did love him, and it was displayed any time he got to take part in a moment. And he has an amazing baby-face story from his real life that makes him someone that you can put in front of younger kids as someone to look up to (He had cancer as a kid). Even on that, I don't get why they didn't even put him in for more Make A Wish stuff, sending a WWE Superstar that had cancer as a kid to seriously ill kids is an amazing way to make inspirational moment for those kids.

    He shifted so much merch at the time of his YouTube series, and I believe at one stage was the number one seller in WWE Shop. And where do we even begin when it comes to the impact he had on social media for wrestling as a whole. I'd argue that without Z! True Long Island Story not only would WWE's social media not be the award winning power house that it is now, but we wouldn't have Being The Elite, which by virtue means we might not have had AEW as it stands now. That's not a stretch, you can see the impact he had on the "business side of the business" everywhere. Then you combine his passion for collectables, he could have been a massive backstage help for R&D for WWE Shop and their partnerships with Mattell. And the sweetest bit? He was a lifer. There would have been 0 fear of him ever leaving WWE, and would do anything to help give back to the company.

    Instead, because he got himself over, he was buried and buried terribly. He was publically humiliated and humbled, simply because his biggest crime was believing in himself and connecting with the fans.

    I hope he goes to AEW, more than anyone else that got let go this week (Ok, I also want Rusev and The Revival there also). If it happens, I guarantee you he will become of their biggest assets backstage and for developing the company, and be one of their best assets in the ring also. I'd put the house on it.


    He was a low level Daniel Bryan case. He got over on hos own, WWE tried to kill it, but in doing so it made the fans more determined to back him and thus he was more over. Tehy eventually succeeded in killing gis push and crushing his internet vids.

    He loved WWE, its a dream job for him. Sad for the guy. Even his mania moments were tainted as they had no build and no follow up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,753 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Anyone think the FOX deal might be in jeopardy or FOX pushing them for more star quality and turf out deadwood? Billion Dollar deal surely they’ve the Bull by the horns when it comes to what goes on. Just a thought be interested to see what ye all think

    Im no expert at all, but WWE are fulfilling their contact, so I dunno how Fox could get out of the contract.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Banana Republic.


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    Im no expert at all, but WWE are fulfilling their contact, so I dunno how Fox could get out of the contract.

    Isn’t it a numbers game though in terms of viewership?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,884 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Is there more expected in the coming days?

    I was expecting to see a lot more of NXT talent cut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,689 ✭✭✭sky88




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Is there more expected in the coming days?

    I was expecting to see a lot more of NXT talent cut.

    It's possible and there is "talk" (use as much salt as required) that there will be more today for nxt and Saturday for smackdown. I hope to jaysus it's not true but the way this week is going nothing would surprise me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭The White Wolf


    I'd be curious to know what Impact's capacity is financially to take on a few extra superstars.

    They must put on the most finacially meanest show in wrestling today so surely they'd have funds in the coffers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    Are these all 100% releases? WWE mentioned furlough (im not sure what is in place in the states in terms of furlough compared to here and the UK) but if thats the case isnt that only s temporary measure?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,576 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    Are these all 100% releases? WWE mentioned furlough (im not sure what is in place in the states in terms of furlough compared to here and the UK) but if thats the case isnt that only s temporary measure?
    Talent are all released
    Production staff are a mix of released and furloghed


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I haven't seen any video of it but apparently Seth Rollins was slightly tone deaf of the releases yesterday. Now this was something I read but did anyone else see or read anything about it ? In fairness I could have been someone who doesn't like Rollins saying this.
    ThePott wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/AlexM_talkSPORT/status/1250567762617008129

    People are taking it that he is saying don't be negative towards WWE while they feel you should be negative towards them because of all this.

    He and David Starr had a back and forth on Twitter about it, I can see where Rollins is coming from, but I can also see where Starr's coming from. It's an interesting clash of ideology.

    Tommy Dreamer also waded into it (not the Rollins/Starr back and forth), by saying
    You Can’t Hate WWE Or Vince McMahon For Making Business Decisions
    .

    The rest of his long winded quote does make for interesting read, but no doubt it'll be the headline people will dog pile onto.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,464 ✭✭✭ibFoxer


    Ryder for me is the biggest case of missed opportunity since the early 00s. Don't get me wrong, he was never going to the face of the company or a long-term main event guy, but he had everything need to be a consistent feature in the upper-mid card, dipping in and out of transitional feuds for main event heels. He had the look, was good in the ring, and had a ton of personality. The fans really did love him, and it was displayed any time he got to take part in a moment. And he has an amazing baby-face story from his real life that makes him someone that you can put in front of younger kids as someone to look up to (He had cancer as a kid). Even on that, I don't get why they didn't even put him in for more Make A Wish stuff, sending a WWE Superstar that had cancer as a kid to seriously ill kids is an amazing way to make inspirational moment for those kids.

    He shifted so much merch at the time of his YouTube series, and I believe at one stage was the number one seller in WWE Shop. And where do we even begin when it comes to the impact he had on social media for wrestling as a whole. I'd argue that without Z! True Long Island Story not only would WWE's social media not be the award winning power house that it is now, but we wouldn't have Being The Elite, which by virtue means we might not have had AEW as it stands now. That's not a stretch, you can see the impact he had on the "business side of the business" everywhere. Then you combine his passion for collectables, he could have been a massive backstage help for R&D for WWE Shop and their partnerships with Mattell. And the sweetest bit? He was a lifer. There would have been 0 fear of him ever leaving WWE, and would do anything to help give back to the company.

    Instead, because he got himself over, he was buried and buried terribly. He was publically humiliated and humbled, simply because his biggest crime was believing in himself and connecting with the fans.

    I hope he goes to AEW, more than anyone else that got let go this week (Ok, I also want Rusev and The Revival there also). If it happens, I guarantee you he will become of their biggest assets backstage and for developing the company, and be one of their best assets in the ring also. I'd put the house on it.

    See this guy- he gets it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,220 ✭✭✭✭briany



    Instead, because he got himself over, he was buried and buried terribly. He was publically humiliated and humbled, simply because his biggest crime was believing in himself and connecting with the fans.

    I agree that he was treated very badly by the company, but that treatment appears consistent with what Mick Foley said on Steve Austin's podcast one time - in order to be a made guy, you have to make Vince a fan of yours. If Vince doesn't get you, or doesn't understand why you're popular, then you're never going to have a good run in WWE.

    I'm not saying that this isn't a silly way to run a company, but it is what it is.

    But worse than that, Mick Foley went on to add that after Ryder had gotten over initially with the Internet Champion stuff, and then was buried for his trouble, Mick went to him and asked if he'd been talking to Vince about it. If he'd asked Vince why. Ryder just shook his head and answered in the negative.
    It seems like he was content just to do what he was told.

    If that was Stone Cold Steve Austin, he'd never have gotten to the heights he did, because Stone Cold often tells the story of going up to Vince and being asked to be given more promo time as he felt his best attribute was his verbals. Vince agreed, and the rest, as they say, is history.

    Unfortunately, too much of the WWE roster nowadays seems to be people who are just happy to be there. Happy to be living their childhood dream of being a wrestler.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    Ryder for me is the biggest case of missed opportunity since the early 00s. Don't get me wrong, he was never going to the face of the company or a long-term main event guy, but he had everything need to be a consistent feature in the upper-mid card, dipping in and out of transitional feuds for main event heels. He had the look, was good in the ring, and had a ton of personality. The fans really did love him, and it was displayed any time he got to take part in a moment. And he has an amazing baby-face story from his real life that makes him someone that you can put in front of younger kids as someone to look up to (He had cancer as a kid). Even on that, I don't get why they didn't even put him in for more Make A Wish stuff, sending a WWE Superstar that had cancer as a kid to seriously ill kids is an amazing way to make inspirational moment for those kids.

    He shifted so much merch at the time of his YouTube series, and I believe at one stage was the number one seller in WWE Shop. And where do we even begin when it comes to the impact he had on social media for wrestling as a whole. I'd argue that without Z! True Long Island Story not only would WWE's social media not be the award winning power house that it is now, but we wouldn't have Being The Elite, which by virtue means we might not have had AEW as it stands now. That's not a stretch, you can see the impact he had on the "business side of the business" everywhere. Then you combine his passion for collectables, he could have been a massive backstage help for R&D for WWE Shop and their partnerships with Mattell. And the sweetest bit? He was a lifer. There would have been 0 fear of him ever leaving WWE, and would do anything to help give back to the company.

    Instead, because he got himself over, he was buried and buried terribly. He was publically humiliated and humbled, simply because his biggest crime was believing in himself and connecting with the fans.

    I hope he goes to AEW, more than anyone else that got let go this week (Ok, I also want Rusev and The Revival there also). If it happens, I guarantee you he will become of their biggest assets backstage and for developing the company, and be one of their best assets in the ring also. I'd put the house on it.

    Great post about Ryder and sums up his misfortune in WWE.

    But the wheelchair bit with Kane is one of my all-time favourite wrestlecrap moments



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    ricero wrote: »
    Great post about Ryder and sums up his misfortune in WWE.

    But the wheelchair bit with Kane is one of my all-time favourite wrestlecrap moments


    This is the WWE

    This is Zack Ryder

    This is the WWE - pushing - Zack Ryder

    Any questions?


  • Registered Users Posts: 48,990 ✭✭✭✭Lithium93_


    This is the WWE

    This is Zack Ryder

    This is the WWE - pushing - Zack Ryder

    Any questions?

    I see what you did there :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭Monokne


    I'd be curious to know what Impact's capacity is financially to take on a few extra superstars.

    They must put on the most finacially meanest show in wrestling today so surely they'd have funds in the coffers.

    Impact's sole sources of revenue are Impact+ and the live gate, given they don't get TV revenue.

    Now also are not getting live gate, so they are running at a substantially greater loss than normal (and they've been running at a loss for years).

    Funds in the coffers probably isn't the term all things considered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,884 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The Spanish Announce team have been furloughed

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,884 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson




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