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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    peaceboi wrote: »
    Maybe leased battery?��

    that, or a scam.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,453 ✭✭✭✭DrPhilG


    Or a typo. €15k would make more sense. It's not worth that but I'd understand someone listing high to allow negotiation.

    Don't see even a battery lease 152 being €5k.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,999 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Christ how stupid would you have to be to list a car for sale and not even notice you had a typo on the price?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    DrPhilG wrote: »
    Or a typo. €15k would make more sense. It's not worth that but I'd understand someone listing high to allow negotiation.

    Don't see even a battery lease 152 being €5k.

    Have been looking online and its a pain that the important information for EVs is not included such as 3.3 or 6.6kw charger, cold pack, etc. Good to know a 2015 car has a cd player I suppose but really should it be a requirement to give details on whats actually NB for EVs. Otherwise a lot of phonecalls required!

    As a matter of interest what do you think a 2015 SV/Acenta with 6.6kw charger and cold pack should be going for in IRL / UK?

    If going for a 2016 what kind of a premium do you think a 30kw car would attract?


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    30 Kwh will attract a premium, extra range + faster charging at fast chargers + the 30 Kwh is rare 2nd hand, more will probably appear next year as they reach 3 years old.

    24 Kwh is fine and you can cover about 220 Kms from a 100% charge + with a single DC charge on route. Put the boot down on the motorway and it could be less.

    It's a pain to charge when the battery is cold, it slows charging down and I always recommend the 6.6 kw charger because we got a lot of AC charge points and it makes a difference charging at 6.6 Kw V 3.3 Kw, just 2 hrs will give you about 12 Kwh and might even mean you don't have to sit 30 odd mins at a fast charger or longer if there's a queue and if a charger is down it's very useful to have the 6.6 Kw as backup, means half the time then stuck to a AC point if a fast charger is down, so definitely 6.6 Kw charger is very convenient.

    If I had to make the choice I'd pay more for the 30 Kwh, more EV range + faster charging on DC I would not go back to a 24 Kwh Leaf but I do drive a lot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    gally74 wrote: »
    Ha ha yes, blue trim as well
    Have you a link to the add?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    30 Kwh will attract a premium, extra range + faster charging at fast chargers + the 30 Kwh is rare 2nd hand, more will probably appear next year as they reach 3 years old.

    24 Kwh is fine and you can cover about 220 Kms from a 100% charge + with a single DC charge on route. Put the boot down on the motorway and it could be less.

    It's a pain to charge when the battery is cold, it slows charging down and I always recommend the 6.6 kw charger because we got a lot of AC charge points and it makes a difference charging at 6.6 Kw V 3.3 Kw, just 2 hrs will give you about 12 Kwh and might even mean you don't have to sit 30 odd mins at a fast charger or longer if there's a queue and if a charger is down it's very useful to have the 6.6 Kw as backup, means half the time then stuck to a AC point if a fast charger is down, so definitely 6.6 Kw charger is very convenient.

    If I had to make the choice I'd pay more for the 30 Kwh, more EV range + faster charging on DC I would not go back to a 24 Kwh Leaf but I do drive a lot.

    Thanks for this and I agree I would also pay a premium for a 30kw Leaf. However, the problem is that they attract a significant premium - going in the region stg£16k+ in UK / €20k+ in Ireland for a 2016. At this point Im thinking the premium is too high and I might look instead at a 13 / 14 Techna with 6.6kw charger which are more common and cheaper. That should do me for a few years and hopefully there will be a much better choice of more affordable cars with better range available at that point.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If I were you I’d test drive one first , take it on a few familiar long trips and see how you get on with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    creedp wrote: »
    At this point Im thinking the premium is too high and I might look instead at a 13 / 14 Techna with 6.6kw charger which are more common and cheaper. That should do me for a few years and hopefully there will be a much better choice of more affordable cars with better range available at that point.

    Based on some of the journeys (130km) you have suggested you need to do I don't think the 24kWh is suitable. You'll regret it when you find yourself sitting at a rapid charger with two cars in front of you!

    There are quite a few 30kWh Acenta's in the UK available around the £13k mark but they dont have the 6.6kW charger. Thats a useful option but for you it would be better to have a 30kWh with 3.3kW charger than a 24kWh with a 6.6kW charger!!!!

    https://www.motors.co.uk/car-48415903
    https://www.motors.co.uk/car-48620553


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  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The 30 Kwh is a no brainer really + the advantage of charging faster at the chargers but a 6.6 Kw 30 Kwh can be got too I'd say probably easier in the U.K which will be handy when a charger is down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    ... but a 6.6 Kw 30 Kwh can be got too I'd say probably easier in the U.K which will be handy when a charger is down.

    The 30kWh is in short supply. The 6.6kW version is in even shorter supply. They do come up but not very often and with a premium which creedp is already "complaining" about, so I think if he really wants to go EV it should be a 30kWh with 3.3kW charging rather than a 24kWh with 6.6kW charging.

    Bear in mind he wants to do 130km jaunts.... the 6.6kW charging is no use to him there in a 24kWh car... what he needs is the 30kWh battery not the faster AC charging.... @creedp, I hope you understand the difference there? The 3.3 vs 6.6 debate only relates to AC charging, not rapid charging!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭peposhi


    Speaking of personal experience with both battery versions and both slow charging versions - stretch yourself as much as you can to get a 30kwh and 6.6kw. This will give you much more freedom and less dependency on the charging infrastructure


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    KCross wrote: »
    The 30kWh is in short supply. The 6.6kW version is in even shorter supply. They do come up but not very often and with a premium which creedp is already "complaining" about, so I think if he really wants to go EV it should be a 30kWh with 3.3kW charging rather than a 24kWh with 6.6kW charging.

    Bear in mind he wants to do 130km jaunts.... the 6.6kW charging is no use to him there in a 24kWh car... what he needs is the 30kWh battery not the faster AC charging.... @creedp, I hope you understand the difference there? The 3.3 vs 6.6 debate only relates to AC charging, not rapid charging!

    Thanks for advice (also MadLad and Peposhi). Obviously would love both 30kwh and 6.6kw charger and Techna spec but when operating to budget limits I think I will focus on 30kwh battery as priority. If I could do 130km on single charge then most of my charging would be done overnight at home topped up by fast chargers so hopefully not having the 6.6kw charger wouldn't be a major downside.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,717 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    €20k is far too much to be spending on a 30kWh Leaf though. Even if it was brand new. Import it yourself from the UK to save thousands or you won't regret importing an Ioniq instead. They come up regularly for under £20k in the UK but are snapped up quickly for obvious reasons. You need to focus to do well in this game :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    unkel wrote: »
    €20k is far too much to be spending on a 30kWh Leaf though. Even if it was brand new. Import it yourself from the UK to save thousands or you won't regret importing an Ioniq instead. They come up regularly for under £20k in the UK but are snapped up quickly for obvious reasons. You need to focus to do well in this game :)

    I know its easy to get carried away in this game. I started off with a stg£13k limit and very quickly began trying to justify up to stg£16k for a 30kwh, 6.6kw acenta spec or a 30kwh, 3.3kw Techna spec. Need to step back and breathe!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    Had a quick look at Ioniq on autotrader UK. No EV's for sale but the hybrids aren't too badly priced with a 2016 going for under £14k. Quoted at 83 mpg average. You could forget about the range anxiety!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,717 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Watch at the Bjørn Nyland reviews of Ioniq on youtube. He explains there is the hybrid, the PHEV and the EV. And then go with his recommendation :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,999 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Time for this thread to get back to actual bargains to buy?

    It's turned into a general discussion thread of late.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-6-9-finance-electric-vehicle-sat/18032789
    This is currently the only BEV Ioniq for sale in Ireland apparently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭air


    ELM327 wrote: »
    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-6-9-finance-electric-vehicle-sat/18032789
    This is currently the only BEV Ioniq for sale in Ireland apparently.

    At €29k I think it would be hard to argue against putting a few more quid in and getting a Model S instead.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Problem with that is there's no CPO Model S for below £55-60k these days


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭peposhi


    creedp wrote: »
    I know its easy to get carried away in this game. I started off with a stg£13k limit and very quickly began trying to justify up to stg£16k for a 30kwh, 6.6kw acenta spec or a 30kwh, 3.3kw Techna spec. Need to step back and breathe!!

    And that is the right thing to do.
    When we were looking for a second EV the budget was 12k. As we were checking this and that and next and etc, all of a sudden I nearly ended up with an i3 Rex for 20k (which I would have loved to)... Had to stop the horses and think with my wallet not my heart 😀 and eventually bought what suited the budget and the range that needed to be covered (and she is flaming red for the joy of my other half)....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,717 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Time for this thread to get back to actual bargains to buy?

    Except that this thread isn't the bargains thread :p


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    creedp wrote: »
    If I could do 130km on single charge then most of my charging would be done overnight at home topped up by fast chargers so hopefully not having the 6.6kw charger wouldn't be a major downside.

    Just make sure you won't be relying on fast chargers for your commute, that will get old fast, I endured this for 9 months and I'd never do it again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    Just make sure you won't be relying on fast chargers for your commute, that will get old fast, I endured this for 9 months and I'd never do it again.

    The problem I have is that if the 30kwh Leaf didn't have sufficient range to cover my commute on a single charge, I have no access the ac charging at work and therefore irrespective of whether I have a 3.3kw or 6.6kw charger, I would still be reliant on the fast charger network for a top up to get me home.

    Obviously having the 6.6kw charger would still be an advantage if I wanted a quick top up at home before heading out again but at present I would have to pay a significant premium to get both a 30kwh and 6.6kw charger which takes those cars beyond my budget.

    Am I understanding this issue correctly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,217 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    What is your commute?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    creedp wrote: »
    The problem I have is that if the 30kwh Leaf didn't have sufficient range to cover my commute on a single charge, I have no access the ac charging at work and therefore irrespective of whether I have a 3.3kw or 6.6kw charger, I would still be reliant on the fast charger network for a top up to get me home.

    Obviously having the 6.6kw charger would still be an advantage if I wanted a quick top up at home before heading out again but at present I would have to pay a significant premium to get both a 30kwh and 6.6kw charger which takes those cars beyond my budget.

    Am I understanding this issue correctly?

    Your commute is 130km, correct?
    The 30kWh will do that without stopping.

    The 6.6kW is for AC only. The rapid chargers you use on the road are DC(45kW).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    KCross wrote: »
    Your commute is 130km, correct?
    The 30kWh will do that without stopping.

    The 6.6kW is for AC only. The rapid chargers you use on the road are DC(45kW).

    Thankfully that's how I understood it too .. I'm slowly learning the EV ropes. On that basis I'm reluctant to pay more than stg£500 extra for the 6.6kw option - I think its approx. an stg£800 optional cost when new. some of the cars I have seem have up to a stg£2k premium for the option on otherwise like for like cars. I suppose supply and demand is what its all about!


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, you won't pay a premium to have the 6.6 Kw charger in a 2nd hand Leaf, it's doesn't add resale value only desirability because they're rare meaning they will sell a lot faster.

    130 Km will be no problem in the 30 Kwh and it would be seriously wise to get this over the 24 Kwh believe me, I had to endure public charging for 9 months and it was a complete and utter pain in the arse.

    I advise to drive the 30 Kewh V 24 Kwh on your commute to see how you get on , this time of the year is ideal because Summer driving in an EV can be very deceptive, those making the commute with say 20% to spare could find themselves needing to fast charge on the way home in Winter in poor conditions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    creedp wrote: »
    Thankfully that's how I understood it too .. I'm slowly learning the EV ropes. On that basis I'm reluctant to pay more than stg£500 extra for the 6.6kw option - I think its approx. an stg£800 optional cost when new. some of the cars I have seem have up to a stg£2k premium for the option on otherwise like for like cars. I suppose supply and demand is what its all about!

    In the UK it was £1150 extra when new.

    £2k premium for it would be way too much.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    Just wondering if people would have a view on what level of mileage would be considered a deal breaker on an EV? A lot of UK cars seem to have done between 6 - 10k mile annually while the odd one is up on 20k miles. Would this level of mileage be a cause for concern, e.g if an early 2016 had over 40k miles clocked up?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    creedp wrote: »
    Just wondering if people would have a view on what level of mileage would be considered a deal breaker on an EV? A lot of UK cars seem to have done between 6 - 10k mile annually while the odd one is up on 20k miles. Would this level of mileage be a cause for concern, e.g if an early 2016 had over 40k miles clocked up?

    You just need to pay more attention to suspension and brakes if the mileage is high and other general condition (seats etc).... but as far as reliability is concerned the higher mileage wont matter as much as it would in an ICE car where you'd have to think about things like timing belts and emissions etc.


    40k km on an EV is perfectly fine, imo, as long as the car is in good condition and drives well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭cros13


    I have ~160,000km on my i3 and it's grand. I'd consider high mileage less important with an EV than an ICE.
    Very low mileage on the other hand is more problematic.
    You don't want an EV that's potentially been stored at too low or high a state of charge for long periods.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I's say you're using the Rex a lot especially with the older battery ?

    What's capacity is it reporting now ? it was something like 18 AH new ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭cros13


    I's say you're using the Rex a lot especially with the older battery ?

    Not really. I avoid using the REx.
    What's capacity is it reporting now ? it was something like 18 AH new ?

    17.3kWh down from 18.8kWh new.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,717 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    cros13 wrote: »
    Not really. I avoid using the REx spend half my day at fast charge points.

    FYP :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    creedp wrote: »
    Just wondering if people would have a view on what level of mileage would be considered a deal breaker on an EV? A lot of UK cars seem to have done between 6 - 10k mile annually while the odd one is up on 20k miles. Would this level of mileage be a cause for concern, e.g if an early 2016 had over 40k miles clocked up?

    Mine had 65k/km. felt like new. S.O.H of the battery was 97%. Wouldn't be concerned at all. Check the suspension and the tyres and make sure its been serviced as per schedule and you'll be fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,936 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    Btw with prices in the UK not coming down as much anymore its worth looking at Irish cars now.


  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cros13 wrote: »
    Not really. I avoid using the REx.



    17.3kWh down from 18.8kWh new.

    Wow that's damn good, probably helped by the active cooling and/or the Samsung cells are good.

    I've used about 2 tanks (16 litres) since the 2nd week in November.

    here's some interesting facts I just discovered about the 96 AH ( 33 Kwh) i3 battery and I now know why it's limited to 50 Kw on DC which is actually more then the recommended charge current !

    https://pushevs.com/2017/02/20/details-samsung-sdi-94-ah-battery-cell/

    It's all about cycle life and these cells ,3,200 cycles to 80% is truly amazing and should last many, many years.

    For instance that, 510,000 Kms to 80% capacity, 160 Kms range by 3,200 cycles absolutely amazing. Yes I know, it doesn't include time itself etc or time spent at very high or low SOC etc.

    But, it also doesn't include shallow cycling or all the driving done that doesn't include a full charge/discharge cycle, yes I know it won't allow a complete charge to 4.2v per cell either or down to 3.2 v etc.

    Shame we don't have the data on the 60 ah.

    We can continue this in a new thread rather than the usual ot. https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106455151#post106455151


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭gally74


    ELM327 wrote: »
    'much?
    And is it the newer battery or the older 30kWh(28kWh available) spec?

    It’s 30 kw

    152 reg

    12900 Km s

    Perfect

    I reckon around 17 k price


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 sam7777


    ive sold my leaf and have a abl home charger to sell,just wondering what price to advertise for ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,999 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    sam7777 wrote: »
    ive sold my leaf and have a abl home charger to sell,just wondering what price to advertise for ?

    Is your charger 32a?

    Can you post a picture


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 sam7777


    unsure how to post a picture,it was fitted by nigel daly when i bought the car,it says 230v 50hz 16a and 32a in brackets


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,717 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Is your charger 32a?

    They all are after you hack them :D

    I have the same ABL charger. Was 16A when installed by Nigel Daly. Soon after it was 32A by me. Working perfectly fine since. Good decent reliable (German made) charger. Should be worth a few bob. GLWS sam7777.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    unkel wrote: »
    They all are after you hack them :D

    I have the same ABL charger. Was 16A when installed by Nigel Daly. Soon after it was 32A by me. Working perfectly fine since. Good decent reliable (German made) charger. Should be worth a few bob. GLWS sam7777.

    Will be looking to buy a charger unit shortly. I am just waiting for the grant approval to come through. Presumably though the Unit has to be new to qualify for the grant? As a matter of interest is the installation specification less onerous for a 16A charger than a 32A? I have a detached garage that is powered directly by a cable from my main distribution board. Currently it only runs the water pump so I was wondering if this cable would suffice for the EV charger? Wold save a lot of hassle and allow me to install the charger in the garage and not at the side of the house which is inconveniently located.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    creedp wrote: »
    Will be looking to buy a charger unit shortly. I am just waiting for the grant approval to come through. Presumably though the Unit has to be new to qualify for the grant? As a matter of interest is the installation specification less onerous for a 16A charger than a 32A? I have a detached garage that is powered directly by a cable from my main distribution board. Currently it only runs the water pump so I was wondering if this cable would suffice for the EV charger? Wold save a lot of hassle and allow me to install the charger in the garage and not at the side of the house which is inconveniently located.

    You would likely need heavier cable if you want 32A charge capability in your garage particularly since the garage already has lights, sockets and water pump running on the existing cable.

    So, two choices:

    1) Limit yourself to 16A car charging and reuse the existing cable.
    2) Run a new cable for the charge point (assuming the existing cable is not up to spec) and then you can have 32A charging.


    Obviously option 2 is better but might not be very practical if running the cable is difficult. Talk to your electrician.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    KCross wrote: »
    You would likely need heavier cable if you want 32A charge capability in your garage particularly since the garage already has lights, sockets and water pump running on the existing cable.

    So, two choices:

    1) Limit yourself to 16A car charging and reuse the existing cable.
    2) Run a new cable for the charge point (assuming the existing cable is not up to spec) and then you can have 32A charging.


    Obviously option 2 is better but might not be very practical if running the cable is difficult. Talk to your electrician.

    Will talk to electrician shortly. If I have to run a new cable it won't be to garage as I would have to run cable down side of house chase though 2 footpaths and drive and as well as run up external wall of garage. On the other hand it would probably be madness not to have capacity to charge at 32A as I have a Leaf with 6.6kw charger and I probably paid way too much for this option!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,136 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    creedp wrote: »
    Will talk to electrician shortly. If I have to run a new cable it won't be to garage as I would have to run cable down side of house chase though 2 footpaths and drive and as well as run up external wall of garage.

    Are you sure your existing cable is not in a duct?
    If it is in a duct you should be able to pull a new cable without having to chase any walls, footpaths.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,814 ✭✭✭creedp


    KCross wrote: »
    Are you sure your existing cable is not in a duct?
    If it is in a duct you should be able to pull a new cable without having to chase any walls, footpaths.

    Good point!! I'll wait to see what the electrician says. It would be brilliant if it would work out as I could then locate the unit in the garage and with the 8m cable I could charge the car inside or outside


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Selling original Nissan Type 1 granny charger 230 AC 10 Amp (=2.3 kW). This is the slim version that was supplied with LEAF 2013-17. UK/IE plug. PWO, doesn't have any marks or corrosion etc. on it. Sold my old LEAF so no use for this anymore.

    250 ONO. Collection from Leixlip, Co. Kildare preferably although I'm in Dublin 3 often too. Going to put this on Adverts or Ebay if nobody here wants it.

    Going to use the funds to purchase a 5 metre 32A Type 2 - Type 2 charging cable. If you happen to have one available I'd definitely be interested in trading. Would be looking for 100 + the cable in that case.


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