ICT Specialists (Executive Officer level) in Civil Service

boardzz · 12-02-2015 3:09pm

This may have been answered before but does anybody know what the salary is for this position?

fxotoole · 12-02-2015 6:19pm

boardzz wrote: »

This may have been answered before but does anybody know what the salary is for this position?

€27,464 rising to €44,967 with 3 long service increments at the top of the scale after a certain amount of years' service

The_Conductor · 12-02-2015 6:58pm

fxotoole wrote: »

€27,464 rising to €44,967 with 3 long service increments at the top of the scale after a certain amount of years' service

Once you reach the top of the scale- each LSI is awarded after a 3 year period. Aka it takes you 6 years to move from the top of the scale to LSI 2.

from little acorns · 12-02-2015 8:53pm

fxotoole wrote: »

€27,464 rising to €44,967 with 3 long service increments at the top of the scale after a certain amount of years' service

So how long does it take to move up the scale once you start?

kippy · 13-02-2015 12:42am

from little acorns wrote: »

So how long does it take to move up the scale once you start?

Scale (or close to it) outlined here:
http://www.impact.ie/your-sector/public-sector/civil-service/civil-service-salary-scales/
You move up a point in the scale on an annual basis subject to satisfactory performance on the anniversary of your starting work until you reach the first LSI, as outlined above.
That's generally how it works. Not sure what impact if haddington road will have for new starts to be honest but it may mean the first couple increments are paid every 15 months as opposed to 12 but Im not sure on that.
Basicilly 11 years till you get to the first LSI point.

from little acorns · 13-02-2015 6:07am

And am I right in saying that, if I start off in an EO role and in a couple of years I apply for an AO role (if they become available), say if I'm midway up the scale by then, I wouldn't lose any money by moving to the AO role, i.e. I wouldn't have to go back to the bottom of the AO scale?

Also, we'll say for example an AO competition opens in 2016. (I know no one really knows when it'll next happen, but for arguments sake.) How much would it increase my chances of getting it if I were working in the civil service in an EO role already, as opposed to working in the private sector? (The reason I ask is because I didn't apply for the AO roles, I wasn't aware of them at the time. I would almost certainly leave my current job for an AO role as I'd only have to take a small paycut, however I'm undecided about whether I'd leave it IF I get offered an EO role. But if taking the EO role would greatly increase my chances of getting an AO role next time they come up, it's something I'd take into consideration.)

kippy · 13-02-2015 7:55am

from little acorns wrote: »

And am I right in saying that, if I start off in an EO role and in a couple of years I apply for an AO role (if they become available), say if I'm midway up the scale by then, I wouldn't lose any money by moving to the AO role, i.e. I wouldn't have to go back to the bottom of the AO scale?

Also, we'll say for example an AO competition opens in 2016. (I know no one really knows when it'll next happen, but for arguments sake.) How much would it increase my chances of getting it if I were working in the civil service in an EO role already, as opposed to working in the private sector? (The reason I ask is because I didn't apply for the AO roles, I wasn't aware of them at the time. I would almost certainly leave my current job for an AO role as I'd only have to take a small paycut, however I'm undecided about whether I'd leave it IF I get offered an EO role. But if taking the EO role would greatly increase my chances of getting an AO role next time they come up, it's something I'd take into consideration.)

First paragraph answer is generally yes.
second paragraph.....it depends on the type of competition and who it is open to but generally if you are in the service you will be eligible to apply for more roles primarily as a result of the eligibility for closed competitions.

The_Conductor · 13-02-2015 8:16am

If you are a pre-existing civil servant- you are entitled to go for open competitions (e.g. EO to AO) in the same manner that any member of the public is. Your starting salary- if you're successful in the open competition- is the point nearest your current salary point- such that you do not have a cut in pay (aka you would most probably have a very small pay rise- perhaps a couple of hundred per year- at the outset).

Getting a post in an open competition for a serving civil servant- is not like in the private sector- where you'd expect a decent pay hike- you do however get put on the new salary scale- which obviously will cap out a lot higher than your pre-existing scale.

Point of note- for pension purposes- all new posts at open competition are at career average salary levels- i.e. if you start as a CO- and end up (many years later) when you come to retire as a PO- your pension is not based on your final salary- the dates you were in the various grades are put into a spreadsheet and your average salary throughout the course of your career is calculated. Your pension is then your lumpsum (1.5 times career average salary) alongside an annual pension of 40/80ths of your career average salary- paid forthnightly in arrears.

On the brightside- the government have advised the wind down of FEMPI is to be negotiated from the second week in April (after the 1st quarter returns are in).

Zipppy · 13-02-2015 8:52am

The_Conductor wrote:

Point of note- for pension purposes- all new posts at open competition are at career average salary levels- i.e..

I assume this doesnt apply to existing public servants who are successful via open competition?

The_Conductor · 13-02-2015 9:01am

Zipppy wrote: »

I assume this doesnt apply to existing public servants who are successful via open competition?

No- the terms of the original pension plan they are a member of- and the terms associated with it- apply. Keep in mind- there have been 4 major revisions since 2000 (never mind the pre-1995 brigade)- so people need to know what applies to them- you can't simply assume that they're all the same- because they're not.

Zipppy · 17-02-2015 10:39am

Clock ticking away on this one.....

myrns · 17-02-2015 11:07am

Yep, waiting is like watching a kettle boil..

kippy · 17-02-2015 11:56am

From experience lads, this whole process will take a considerable amount of time.
Anywhere between 3 months and 9 months from the initial advertisement to getting told you've been placed on the panel.
Getting off the panel itself can vary significantly, depending on your place on the panel, location you want to work and of course demand.
Anywhere from 2 weeks up to a maximum of about three years (after being advised you are on the panel).
Take it easy, relax and keep applying for other jobs (Obviously)
Best of luck.

Zipppy · 17-02-2015 12:22pm

kippy wrote: »

From experience lads, this whole process will take a considerable amount of time.
Anywhere between 3 months and 9 months from the initial advertisement to getting told you've been placed on the panel.
Getting off the panel itself can vary significantly, depending on your place on the panel, location you want to work and of course demand.
Anywhere from 2 weeks up to a maximum of about three years (after being advised you are on the panel).
Take it easy, relax and keep applying for other jobs (Obviously)
Best of luck.

Aren't panels normally only of one years duration?

kippy · 17-02-2015 12:30pm

Zipppy wrote: »

Aren't panels normally only of one years duration?

Depends on the panel, they can be up to three years.

JonT · 19-02-2015 11:58am

Still no news on this?

Zipppy · 19-02-2015 12:22pm

JonT wrote: »

Still no news on this?

Next week I'd imagine

westmeath11 · 19-02-2015 3:41pm

Zipppy wrote: »

Next week I'd imagine

they did say late February at the tests so it will probably be tomorrow week

Zipppy · 23-02-2015 10:41am

Will be watching for word all week .................

westmeath11 · 26-02-2015 5:18pm

Looks like it will be tomorrow, when they said late February they really meant it.

Zipppy · 26-02-2015 9:03pm

westmeath11 wrote: »

Looks like it will be tomorrow, when they said late February they really meant it.

After EO results I won't be expecting too much....

shannonp · 26-02-2015 9:39pm

Got 534 on open eo hopefully done better on the ict one as that is where I currently work

thelibertyboy · 26-02-2015 9:46pm

did u get results back yet lads

Moocifer · 26-02-2015 10:44pm

No ICT results yet but after my open EO I'm not holding out much hope

tawfeeredux · 27-02-2015 1:02pm

ICT results out now. I was 1100s in the EO, placed top ten in this, so there's hope for anyone who wasn't happy with their EO results.

westmeath11 · 27-02-2015 1:05pm

tawfeeredux wrote: »

ICT results out now. I was 1100s in the EO, placed top ten in this, so there's hope for anyone who wasn't happy with their EO results.

just checked mine are not there yet, but not that hopeful due to the EO results yesterday

boardzz · 27-02-2015 1:26pm

Top 61 are being invited to next stage.

thelibertyboy · 27-02-2015 1:27pm

got 243 so not going to next stage

Zipppy · 27-02-2015 1:27pm

Feck

Got 130 ish

61 being invited to interview ...

thelibertyboy · 27-02-2015 1:30pm

got place 243

myrns · 27-02-2015 1:31pm

Got 194...so basically hopeless, so disappointed

uck51js9zml2yt · 27-02-2015 1:33pm

268 so hopefully the first 267 will be hopeless at interviews

On the positive side, I've 2 interviews in the real world next week

:)

hernie · 27-02-2015 1:33pm

Got place 64. Just 3 off being called for interview :-(

Moocifer · 27-02-2015 1:34pm

122 on Eo ICT delighted with that

Zipppy · 27-02-2015 1:39pm

Moocifer wrote: »

122 on Eo ICT delighted with that

Why delighted?

rostalof · 27-02-2015 1:40pm

hernie wrote: »

Got place 64. Just 3 off being called for interview :-(

And I was sickened coming in at 88! When you're that close hernie, surely there'll be a chance that 4 or 5 of the accepted candidates may not be able to participate in the next stage for whatever reason and you may yet be called?

shannonp · 27-02-2015 1:42pm

Came 74th ah well least I gave it a shot

Moocifer · 27-02-2015 1:44pm

Zippy did really badly on the other EO exam so I m thrilled to be anywhere in tge top 500.

hernie · 27-02-2015 1:51pm

rostalof wrote: »

And I was sickened coming in at 88! When you're that close hernie, surely there'll be a chance that 4 or 5 of the accepted candidates may not be able to participate in the next stage for whatever reason and you may yet be called?

Yeah, fingers crossed. The wording of message leaves it open for them to call more for interview so you never know.

delricyo · 27-02-2015 1:55pm

Missed out on interview by about 30 places. Not too disappointed as these tests are the best way of practicing.

For those of you still waiting - check your pas account as my message was there but I hadn't received an email

fguinan · 27-02-2015 2:31pm

boardzz wrote: »

Top 61 are being invited to next stage.

How do you know only 61 are being interviewed?

Moocifer · 27-02-2015 2:34pm

It states on your results message that the first 61 are being called to the next stage.

fguinan · 27-02-2015 2:47pm

Moocifer wrote: »

It states on your results message that the first 61 are being called to the next stage.

Thanks, it just states that I'll be called for interview, it doesn't say how many on mine!

fxotoole · 27-02-2015 2:50pm

Got placed 210-ish, happy enough with that even if I haven't a hope of being called.

Plenty of other promotion opportunities on the horizon anyways, and I'm really high on another shortlist so not to dissappointed at all.

Anyone know how long this particular shortlist will be in place?

Yenwod · 27-02-2015 6:09pm

Answer 59 questions in 30 minutes.

Call the first 61 to interview.

Who in PAS hates even numbers??

schmillson2 · 27-02-2015 8:23pm

Hi guys. Could somebody please shed light on how the panel process works? For example, 61 is a strange number on which to base your potential candidates. Is this because there are actually 61 positions?
If there are a similar number of candidates on the panel as there are positions, then would it be correct to assume that candidates who came later than 61st may be added to the panel if some of the original selection are unsuccessful?
I came 65th so am wondering what is the likelihood of being called to the panel in the near future and if so, in what kind of time-frame could this happen?
Maybe experts such as The Conductor or Kippy could help answer this?

The_Conductor · 27-02-2015 8:58pm

Hi schmillson2

If you are 65th on the panel- and they are calling the first 61 to interview- you will not be interviewed in the first batch of people.

The first 61 who are interviewed have perhaps a 1-in-3 chance of getting the interview- the first 61 represents a final panel of perhaps 20 people- who will be placed as the year progresses.

If all 20 are placed- and its not time to hold a new competition (aka if they did it in a month or two)- then- they might bring in the next 60- and constitute a longer panel etc. etc. etc.

If all 20 (or however many- I'm only using this as an example)- are not placed- they sit there- and if they still haven't been placed by the end of the year- the panel lapses,there is a fresh competition, and those who weren't placed have to apply all over again..........

There aren't all that many EO ICTs (I'm actually one)- perhaps less than 5% of EOs have an ICT tag............

Different Departments tend to recruit EO ICTs than do AO ICTs- there would be an abnormally large cohort of EO ICTs in DSP and Agriculture- for example.

schmillson2 · 28-02-2015 7:21pm

Hey Conductor! Thanks for the info. I presume you meant a 1-in-3 chance of getting the 'job' ?

The_Conductor · 28-02-2015 8:08pm

schmillson2 wrote: »

Hey Conductor! Thanks for the info. I presume you meant a 1-in-3 chance of getting the 'job' ?

Yup.......

It depends- but in recent competitions- the pass rate at interview has been in the region of 1-in-3.......

Whether or not you get through- depends entirely on how many EO ICTs are sanctioned for the different Departments. Even the original 20 (or however many) may not get a place- or- flipside of the coin- they could revisit and interview another 60- its quite impossible to tell........

delboy1977 · 01-03-2015 5:11pm

Just curious as to why anyone with vast IT experience would take up such a poorly paid job? Companies in Ireland are crying out for IT professionals and these roles are considerably well paid with company car , phone , laptop , health insurance etc . What does the civil service offer?

ICT Specialists (Executive Officer level) in Civil Service

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