ICT Specialists (Executive Officer level) in Civil Service

Tarzana2

Beaner1 wrote: »

Try and live on 2600 a month in Dublin. You won't have much of a life.

I live on €1496 in Dublin and have a life. I'm 30. My partner earns 35k. What planet are people on?

gazzer

Gongoozler wrote: »

Your first point doesn't relate at all to my first point. So you concede that you're wrong about the 18 months?

I went to your tax calc site, getting security issues with it, what a mess of a page. I've googled another one, and it's saying take home is €33,897. So take home is 2824 per month. Wow that is bad for 20 years of service. But then I suppose if you're ok sticking at EO level (or have no choice in the matter) for 20 years, you're probably not that bothered. €700 a week is nothing to turn your nose up at as far as I'm concerned.

Are you factoring in the pension levy also to those calculations?

Nody

//MOD

Please stop the off topic discussion on how much someone can or can not live on; the thread is for discusion about the ICT position and the question on salary has now been answered.

//MOD

Zipppy

Has anyone queried the LC requirements?

francozola

Applied for it, I have a Level 9 IT degree but don't have the 5 C's at higher level

bobbysands81

zweton wrote: »

how could one find out if these roles will be outside dublin also.

Public Jobs might be able to tell you. Ask them are any of the positions outside of Dublin, if they know they'll tell you.

fiachr_a

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Public Jobs might be able to tell you. Ask them are any of the positions outside of Dublin, if they know they'll tell you.

Are the not for Public Expenditure only? They're based in Dublin 2.

bennyineire

fiachr_a wrote: »

Are the not for Public Expenditure only? They're based in Dublin 2.

Where are you getting this information ?

Stheno

bennyineire wrote: »

Where are you getting this information ?

Says on the ad that they are the hiring body?

bennyineire

Stheno wrote: »

Says on the ad that they are the hiring body?

From the application booklet
"Opportunities are expected to arise across a range of Departments Offices for ICT positions.
While it is likely that the greater number of vacancies will occur in the Dublin area, positions in other locations may also be filled from this competition if required."

You should really read the full text before making these assumptions
the
Dubli

Gongoozler

bennyineire wrote: »

From the application booklet
"Opportunities are expected to arise across a range of Departments Offices for ICT positions.
While it is likely that the greater number of vacancies will occur in the Dublin area, positions in other locations may also be filled from this competition if required."

You should really read the full text before making these assumptions
the
Dubli

Well from the wording most would take it to mean you'll be in Dublin most likely. There's nothing stopping you saying no if a position somewhere doesn't suit gets offered to you. They're covering themselves saying it may be used as a panel for other places.

InReality

On the Leaving Cert requirement;

I think its possible to read it as follows

1) If you have a qualification higher than LC requirement ( in the opinion of PAS )
and
2) IT Qualification or IT Certification or experience you can apply.

So on that reading
1) Any diploma / degree etc
and
2) IT Certification or experience should suffice.

If you haven't got the LC but have a degree and experience I'd apply and argue it later.

The_Conductor

fiachr_a wrote: »

Are the not for Public Expenditure only? They're based in Dublin 2.

DPER are the hiring body for *all* government departments. Previously posts would have been offered by individual Departments- now Departments go to DPER for staff- who in turn recruit to fill posts that they feel have been sufficiently justified by the requesting Department.

The_Conductor

Guys-

When they say they're looking for a minimum of 5 honours at leaving cert to include a minimum of a C in Irish, English, Maths (or however they phrased it)- they mean you have to have a minimum of a Level 5 qualification on the National Framework of Qualifications scale.

There is a scale published here

A pass leaving cert is rated at a 4 on the scale.
An honours leaving cert is rated at a 5
A certificate from an institute of Technology- is a 6
An ordinary level degree is a 7
An honours 4 year degree- or a hDip is an 8
A Masters or a Grad Dip is a 9
A doctorate is a 10

For this particular post- you need a minimum of a level 5 qualification.

All public sector appointments, that have minimal educational qualifications- use the National Framework scale (and have done for the past few years).

Note- an honors degree is a 4 year degree- and not a 1/2.1/2.2- a first in a 3 year BSc/BA (or whatever)- is a level 7 qualification not a level 8 qualification- this is probably the one and only point of confusion that normally arises.

bennyineire

The_Conductor wrote: »

Guys-

When they say they're looking for a minimum of 5 honours at leaving cert to include a minimum of a C in Irish, English, Maths (or however they phrased it)- they mean you have to have a minimum of a Level 5 qualification on the National Framework of Qualifications scale.

There is a scale published here

A pass leaving cert is rated at a 4 on the scale.
An honours leaving cert is rated at a 5
A certificate from an institute of Technology- is a 6
An ordinary level degree is a 7
An honours 4 year degree- or a hDip is an 8
A Masters or a Grad Dip is a 9
A doctorate is a 10

For this particular post- you need a minimum of a level 5 qualification.

All public sector appointments, that have minimal educational qualifications- use the National Framework scale (and have done for the past few years).

Note- an honors degree is a 4 year degree- and not a 1/2.1/2.2- a first in a 3 year BSc/BA (or whatever)- is a level 7 qualification not a level 8 qualification- this is probably the one and only point of confusion that normally arises.

I'm still confused by your post, do you mean to say if you have a Level 9 qualification as I do then that supersedes my LC regardless if I done 5 hounurs level subjects (which I don't)

The_Conductor

bennyineire wrote: »

I'm still confused by your post, do you mean to say if you have a Level 9 qualification as I do then that supersedes my LC regardless if I done 5 hounurs level subjects (which I don't)

Yes- your level 9 qualification supercedes a level 5 qualification (or indeed any qualification between 5 and 9).

A degree will always trump a LC......... (etc etc)

Tarzana2

I'm pretty sure some three year degree courses in this country are level 8. Not sure about any IT ones though.

bennyineire

Tarzana2 wrote: »

I'm pretty sure some three year degree courses in this country are level 8. Not sure about any IT ones though.

Yep a lot of 3 year Art's degrees are level 8 yet Engineering degrees are 4 years.
Go figure how the hell a 3 year Art's degree can come close to a 4 year engineering/science degree. Yet both are level 8

The_Conductor

bennyineire wrote: »

Yep a lot of 3 year Art's degrees are level 8 yet Engineering degrees are 4 years.
Go figure how the hell a 3 year Art's degree can come close to a 4 year engineering/science degree. Yet both are level 8

Some Science degrees- are level 7 qualifications........
I can understand why an ordinary level taught science degree would be a level 7 qualification- an arts degree being somehow worth more than this though- is bizarre in the extreme.......

Anyhow, we diverge........

zweton

it is closed now?

Zipppy

zweton wrote: »

it is closed now?

Next Fri 27.11.14......

Mango Joe

In all fairness the salary on offer is very low and doesn't compare without how the ordinary Joe/Jane would get on in any other professional IT capacity - You'd be on twice the take home pay in half the time anywhere else.

- No incentive to get on, improve and try hard - The money on offer can only serve to encourage people to perform as the rumours would have you believe the typical working day in public sector jobs go zzzzzzzzzzzzz...zzzz.zz.z

By rights there should be zero applications for this and let them address etc.

My fear is that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys and thats all thats going to happen here.......

delricyo

Mango Joe wrote: »

In all fairness the salary on offer is very low and doesn't compare without how the ordinary Joe/Jane would get on in any other professional IT capacity - You'd be on twice the take home pay in half the time anywhere else.

- No incentive to get on, improve and try hard - The money on offer can only serve to encourage people to perform as the rumours would have you believe the typical working day in public sector jobs go zzzzzzzzzzzzz...zzzz.zz.z

By rights there should be zero applications for this and let them address etc.

My fear is that if you pay peanuts you get monkeys and thats all thats going to happen here.......

You raise a good point. The salary is quite low - but I suppose that is what they are not looking for an IT degree. But instead they are looking for some sort of post LC qualifications.

Looking for an IT degree and offering an EO salary is a joke to be honest. There was a job in DPER a few months ago that looked very good. They wanted an IT degree, experience with db's etc etc - and they had the cheek to offer EO scale. I thought it would definitely be an AO role when I was reading the spec.

The civil service can be frustrating when trying to progress. A lot of people will apply for this (and good luck to them) who are over qualified. They may think "I can get a foot in the door, and work hard to move up". A good friend of mine took an EO role 7 years ago at the same time that he was applying for several AO roles, aiming to get AO/HEO within a few years. 8 years later, he is working his ass off and still hasnt moved from EO.

But - best of luck to all who apply

bennyineire

I noticed on the info booklet that it says the working week will not be less than 42.5 hours a week.
In the public sector does this include you lunch hour or not,
Basically if it does include your lunch hour you would be looking at
9 - 5.30
If not then
8.30 - 6

The_Conductor

bennyineire wrote: »

I noticed on the info booklet that it says the working week will not be less than 42.5 hours a week.
In the public sector does this include you lunch hour or not,
Basically if it does include your lunch hour you would be looking at
9 - 5.30
If not then
8.30 - 6

You clock out for lunch. Lunch can be anytime between 12.30 and 2.30- and can be for a maximum of 2 hours- but you must take a minimum of 30 minutes. If you don't clock out for lunch- you get a 2 hour penalty. Lunch is 'off-the-clock'

The working day is classified as a 7.24 hour day- exclusive of lunch (don't ask me how its such an odd number- but it is).

bennyineire

7.24 * 5 = 36.2 hours
But this role it states is not less than 42.5 hours a week
So I'm guessing the day would be
9 - 6 with a 30 minute lunch break
or 8.30 - 6 with 1 hour lunch break
I know this is not unusual in the private sector but is this normal in the public sector when it comes to IT

Gongoozler

In the public sector your week is 37.5 hours. That along with 5 hours for lunch is 42.5.

Zipppy

bennyineire wrote: »

I noticed on the info booklet that it says the working week will not be less than 42.5 hours a week.
In the public sector does this include you lunch hour or not,
Basically if it does include your lunch hour you would be looking at
9 - 5.30
If not then
8.30 - 6

Generally when you see public sector jobs advertised with >40 Hr working week, the hours stated include a daily lunch break of an hour.
So 42.5 = 37.5 (minus 5 hour lunch breaks) ...

bennyineire

Thanks guys, that's what I though but wasn't sure,
I applied btw but I'm only in my 10th month of relevant experience but I'm guessing the hiring process will go on for at least a few months.

I have a Master's in Comp Sci (Conversion) and I would think this would be a great role to gain good work experience so hopefully I can get at least an interview

Zipppy

Zipppy wrote: »

Next Fri 27.11.14......

That should have been midnight THURSDAY 27.11.2014...

I just submitted my application...:)