Guinness Surger

MarkN · 12-03-2021 9:16am

Got the €7.99 glasses in Lidl yesterday so had to try a surger can on a weeknight

Thundercats Ho · 12-03-2021 9:19am

sharkman wrote: »

Tried it tonight by putting a tiny hole in the can , sucessfully got the Guinness out without the wigit activating . It worked perfectly in the surger unit but , but it diddnt taste the same ...

I'd imagine the taste to be the same as a regular widget can, but did the surger unit (using a widget can) create a better head / lacing / nicer mouthfeel vs just opening and pouring a standard widget can

sharkman · 12-03-2021 11:00am

Thundercats Ho wrote: »

I'd imagine the taste to be the same as a regular widget can, but did the surger unit (using a widget can) create a better head / lacing / nicer mouthfeel vs just opening and pouring a standard widget can

Yes , using the can without activating the widget and then surging it gave a much creamier head which lasted a bit longer . However there was a noticeable taste difference (I believe) .

I believe the liquid in the Surger cans is originally destined for kegs where as the contents of the draught cans is separate and treated differently. Almost the same liquid but different levels of gas’s included in the canning process.

12-03-2021 11:29am

sharkman wrote: »

without activating the widget

Go on then, you've grabbed my attention. How is this done?

sharkman · 12-03-2021 11:36am

Deleted User wrote: »

Go on then, you've grabbed my attention. How is this done?

I used a pin and gently poked a hole just below the lid of the can . Leaving the pin in to prevent a quick change in pressure in the can as this is what activates the widget .

Thundercats Ho · 12-03-2021 11:56am

sharkman wrote: »

Yes , using the can without activating the widget and then surging it gave a much creamier head which lasted a bit longer . However there was a noticeable taste difference (I believe) .

I believe the liquid in the Surger cans is originally destined for kegs where as the contents of the draught cans is separate and treated differently. Almost the same liquid but different levels of gas’s included in the canning process.

Noticeable difference vs a widget can poured normally, or vs a surger can?
Did it taste a bit flatter, due to the gas being released do you reckon?

Lynk · 12-03-2021 2:35pm

BeerNut wrote: »

Can you describe what the difference is?

Theres no twang or bad aftertaste that you would sometimes get with the cans. The whole thing feels lighter for lack of a better word, I feel a mediocre or worse pint of Guinness has a weight to it and is a chore to get through, I was knocking back the surger cans effortlessly.

afatbollix · 12-03-2021 4:07pm

Jaaaaassssuusss

This thread is giving me an awful thirst

listermint · 12-03-2021 5:27pm

Lynk wrote: »

Why don't you try them yourself instead of being so bitter? (pun intended)

I had 3 cans of 500ml and followed it up with it 3 cans of Surger and there's a definite quality jump with the surger cans. I really wish this wasn't the case, I don't fancy shelling out 80 euro for a slab if I could just put up an 8 pack for 12 but jesus, there's no contest. I even did the widget trick just to test it out, the surger honestly makes no difference with the standard cans taste.

Because I won't spend 70 bills on a slab of Guinness whatever the origin.

Secondly as I said call my cynical all you like. I think given a blind taste test you'd become unstuck on your assessment.

Il await someone in here to do a real blind taste test

listermint · 12-03-2021 5:29pm

Lynk wrote: »

Theres no twang or bad aftertaste that you would sometimes get with the cans. The whole thing feels lighter for lack of a better word, I feel a mediocre or worse pint of Guinness has a weight to it and is a chore to get through, I was knocking back the surger cans effortlessly.

Would absolutely love to put you to the test.

The mind has alot to answer for with placebo effect. And one of them can be your brain justifying expenditure

sharkman · 12-03-2021 5:30pm

Blind taste test done , picked the Surger straight away .

listermint · 12-03-2021 5:31pm

sharkman wrote: »

Blind taste test done , picked the Surger straight away .

Words mean nothing. Need video and control.probably time get on to the Guinness guru. He appears to be open to being wrong.

Lynk · 12-03-2021 5:46pm

listermint wrote: »

Because I won't spend 70 bills on a slab of Guinness whatever the origin.

Secondly as I said call my cynical all you like. I think given a blind taste test you'd become unstuck on your assessment.

Il await someone in here to do a real blind taste test

listermint wrote: »

Would absolutely love to put you to the test.

The mind has alot to answer for with placebo effect. And one of them can be your brain justifying expenditure

Jesus lads, it's 80 euro, most of you have knocked that off in a ****e nightclub, I don't get the begrudging? I had 3 500ml cans, and I followed it with the surgers. There's a definite quality difference, I don't buy this blind taste bollocks being the litmus test.

listermint · 12-03-2021 7:04pm

Lynk wrote: »

Jesus lads, it's 80 euro, most of you have knocked that off in a ****e nightclub, I don't get the begrudging? I had 3 500ml cans, and I followed it with the surgers. There's a definite quality difference, I don't buy this blind taste bollocks being the litmus test.

Your not in a nite club. Your at home. It's not begrudging it's calling waffles on taste difference. It's placebo it's alot of money to spend.

As I said I'm in no doubt you wouldn't be able to pick between them.

Also it's your money who cares how you spend it. But k can equally say I don't think it's worth it.

EagererBeaver · 12-03-2021 7:14pm

How are we back to this discussion already ffs.

12-03-2021 7:26pm

listermint wrote: »

Your not in a nite club. Your at home. It's not begrudging it's calling waffles on taste difference. It's placebo it's alot of money to spend.

As I said I'm in no doubt you wouldn't be able to pick between them.

Also it's your money who cares how you spend it. But k can equally say I don't think it's worth it.

Just let people enjoy what they want. It’s little enough anyone gets these days.

Lynk · 12-03-2021 7:29pm

listermint wrote: »

Your not in a nite club. Your at home. It's not begrudging it's calling waffles on taste difference. It's placebo it's alot of money to spend.

People regularly spend 80 or more on pints on a night out, if you want to go halves with someone it lowers the cost. Do I personally think its worth 80 euro if its for your own personal consumption? No, but that's me. If there's a demand in this country and its available for 50 I'd buy it regularly over the normal cans. You can't call it a placebo if you haven't tried it.

listermint wrote: »

As I said I'm in no doubt you wouldn't be able to pick between them.

Also it's your money who cares how you spend it. But k can equally say I don't think it's worth it.

Good for you lad. I'm telling you there's a difference, I've tried both, you haven't. Until you have how about piping down and leaving the thread? You have no experience with these cans, everyone who has so far has said they think there is, and every one of them that has has people like you lashing out at them for even suggesting there is. Cop on.

irish_goat · 12-03-2021 7:59pm

Mod: Right lads, it's Friday night, give it a rest and just keep the discussion to the cans and how to source them. No point going round and round arguing whether there's a difference in them or not.

scholes · 12-03-2021 11:26pm

Does anyone know if Guinness that comes in the Keg is carbonated or is it just flat. Is it just the gas that it is dispensed with that introduces the 70 %nitro and 30% c02 or is there already c02 in the keg and you just dispense then with the mix?

BigAl81 · 13-03-2021 12:22am

So further down the rabbit hole I went.

Just in case the new style Guinness glasses I had were affecting my Surger pints, I ordered the old style original proper pint glasses which arrived today.

After testing them I can say it improves the Surger pints even more and they are now 187% better than draft cans and 93.5% as good as a pub pint

The double bind phase three peer reviewed clinical trials have confirmed this.

sharkman · 13-03-2021 12:33am

BigAl81 wrote: »

So further down the rabbit hole I went.

Just in case the new style Guinness glasses I had were affecting my Surger pints, I ordered the old style original proper pint glasses which arrived today.

After testing them I can say it improves the Surger pints even more and they are now 187% better than draft cans and 93.5% as good as a pub pint

The double bind phase three peer reviewed clinical trials have confirmed this.

Got myself a few Pint glasses from Lidl and am also impressed . Chilled the glasses for 5 minutes before pouring and the creamy head lasted half an hour . Was trying to drink responsibly ....

XsApollo · 13-03-2021 12:38am

I have an original surger unit In a press at home from years ago. Used to get cans from the uk,but then I couldn’t get them anymore. I’d lick the Guinness stains off that unit at this stage, where are ye buying the cans?

BigAl81 · 13-03-2021 1:10am

XsApollo wrote:

... where are ye buying the cans?

Check out one of the first few pages in this thread, I believe Kyle can point you in the right direction

sharkman · 13-03-2021 1:30am

XsApollo wrote: »

I have an original surger unit In a press at home from years ago. Used to get cans from the uk,but then I couldn’t get them anymore. I’d lick the Guinness stains off that unit at this stage, where are ye buying the cans?

Check out Book A Bar on facebook or Kyle on this thread . If your close to the Border theres an Offie in Jonesboro with pallet loads .

13-03-2021 2:41am

It's a farce that the stuff is brewed down here yet this is only available up north.

I could understand that they could have had a particular viewpoint up to 2019, but things have changed so much since last year, it would be fairly criminal if they haven't plans in place to either push this or similar for the home market.

The latest ad on the TV is about the cans so here's hoping it's a clue to the direction.

L1011 · 13-03-2021 1:47pm

It's not canned in ROI. Then again, neither are any of the other Guinness cans!

BeerNut · 13-03-2021 3:23pm

scholes wrote: »

Does anyone know if Guinness that comes in the Keg is carbonated or is it just flat.

AFAIK it's the same gas mix in the kegs.

MIRMIR82 · 15-03-2021 11:57am

gilberto_eire wrote: »

It's a farce that the stuff is brewed down here yet this is only available up north.

I could understand that they could have had a particular viewpoint up to 2019, but things have changed so much since last year, it would be fairly criminal if they haven't plans in place to either push this or similar for the home market.

The latest ad on the TV is about the cans so here's hoping it's a clue to the direction.

Seemingly, the vintners assoc objected to them originally so that's why the don't see them here. Like you said, things have changed so hopefully that will change.

POBox19 · 15-03-2021 7:37pm

JohnNightmare wrote: »

Dose anybody know where one would get a ultrasonic cleaner / jewellery cleaner in Dublin, the lidls in and around my area are sold out.

I just ordered one on AliExpress for 13€ from France, due in a couple of weeks. They call them Beer Foamers.

Sheep Shagger · 15-03-2021 9:00pm

POBox19 wrote: »

I just ordered one on AliExpress for 16$ from France, due in a couple of weeks. They call them Beer Foamers.

Anyone purchased on on Amazon and have a link?

Ya man Crossy from FM104 has some of the special cans from somewhere and has a video on his Instagram page.

Suckit · 15-03-2021 9:33pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Anyone purchased on on Amazon and have a link?

Ya man Crossy from FM104 has some of the special cans from somewhere and has a video on his Instagram page.

This is the one I got fast shipping.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33055876680.html
I find it better than the 'flat' plate shaped one I also got. That isn't ultra sonic (the one linked is).

EDITED
The Ultrasonic Cleaners on Amazon - https://www.hagglezon.com/en/s/ultrasonic%20cleaner
and the Foamer - https://www.hagglezon.com/en/s/beer%20foamer

scholes · 15-03-2021 10:06pm

BeerNut wrote: »

AFAIK it's the same gas mix in the kegs.

Thanks. Was thinking it was

celt262 · 15-03-2021 10:33pm

Suckit wrote: »

This is the one I got fast shipping.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33055876680.html
I find it better than the 'flat' plate shaped one I also got. That isn't ultra sonic (the one linked is)

I have just pulled the trigger on this and I see an off licence 20 minutes away is selling cans so time to stock up!

16-03-2021 4:48am

I’m the other way around, got the cleaner in Lidl but cans can’t be got.

Sheep Shagger · 16-03-2021 3:31pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I’m the other way around, got the cleaner in Lidl but cans can’t be got.

They're up the north.

You can use normal cans if you prick them to release the pressure while not activating the widget then spoon off any head.

zweton · 16-03-2021 6:54pm

Invincible wrote: »

North Dublin suit you?

Pm sent.

Some bought the ultrasonic jewellery cleaner in Lidl or Amazon, about 5 seconds activation.

any chance of a pm?

Invincible · 17-03-2021 11:50pm

zweton wrote: »

any chance of a pm?

Sent

Invincible · 18-03-2021 12:35am

zweton wrote: »

any chance of a pm?

Space in inbox now.

Mellor · 19-03-2021 3:57am

gilberto_eire wrote: »

It's a farce that the stuff is brewed down here yet this is only available up north.

I could understand that they could have had a particular viewpoint up to 2019, but things have changed so much since last year, it would be fairly criminal if they haven't plans in place to either push this or similar for the home market.

Theirs was a much smaller market here with Irish pubs actually about to pour decent Guinness.

Obviously 2020 changed things. But I people are only recently looking at things. I can see them bringing them back out officially soon. Probably need to manufacture more units.

BeerNut · 19-03-2021 10:02am

Mellor wrote: »

I can see them bringing them back out officially soon. Probably need to manufacture more units.

I doubt Diageo will be willing to risk giving up the extra margin they make on a draught pint of Guinness versus canned, and they're not going to want to damage the symbiotic relationship they have with the pubs which makes it possible.

DelmarODonnell · 19-03-2021 10:21am

BeerNut wrote: »

I doubt Diageo will be willing to risk giving up the extra margin they make on a draught pint of Guinness versus canned, and they're not going to want to damage the symbiotic relationship they have with the pubs which makes it possible.

Yep, whether it is right or wrong, most Guinness drinkers believe that a pint pulled in a pub is a different species to what they can drink at home. And Guinness earn significantly more for those people continuing to believe this.

Mellor · 19-03-2021 10:55am

BeerNut wrote: »

I doubt Diageo will be willing to risk giving up the extra margin they make on a draught pint of Guinness versus canned, and they're not going to want to damage the symbiotic relationship they have with the pubs which makes it possible.

Do they make an extra margin on pints/kegs?
I've no idea what pubs are paying for kegs. Nor shops for cans for that matter. But I assume the kegs were cheaper from Guinness as they are cheaper on the retail market. But maybe the keg retail price is close to the price the pubs are paying.

BeerNut · 19-03-2021 11:39am

Mellor wrote: »

I assume the kegs were cheaper from Guinness as they are cheaper on the retail market.

A quick-and-dirty search on Musgraves shows a 50L keg of Guinness for €171.50 (€3.26/L), and 24 500ml cans for €28 (€2.33/L). Add in the cost of packaging for cans (which has to be done in the UK) and I'd say there's a sizeable margin on kegs, even allowing for the sales support pubs get.

Bottom line is, if your customers are raking it in because they exist in a market largely free of competition, you ought to be getting a piece of that when you supply them. The pint-drinker will cover the cost, and shows no sign of price sensitivity.

Thundercats Ho · 19-03-2021 11:55am

I know they're not available here (surger cans), but the equivalent price in the north is between €3 / L and €4 / L depending if they're €40 or €50 a slab.

Mellor · 19-03-2021 12:55pm

BeerNut wrote: »

A quick-and-dirty search on Musgraves shows a 50L keg of Guinness for €171.50 (€3.26/L), and 24 500ml cans for €28 (€2.33/L). Add in the cost of packaging for cans (which has to be done in the UK)

I’d assume that prices includes the “cost” of the keg. Pubs would have that discounted as they return empty ones. Add in the cost to clean there I suppose.
Feels like it’s pretty close wherever it falls.

Bottom line is, if your customers are raking it in because they exist in a market largely free of competition, you ought to be getting a piece of that when you supply them. The pint-drinker will cover the cost, and shows no sign of price sensitivity.

They’re definitely entitled to a slice of the trade they bring to pubs. But I just think that if they invent a home can system that was genuinely on par with the pub. They could easily stick 25c on the can or whatever was needed so that they made the same whether you drink it in the pub or at home.

BeerNut · 19-03-2021 1:58pm

Mellor wrote: »

I just think that if they invent a home can system that was genuinely on par with the pub. They could easily stick 25c on the can or whatever was needed so that they made the same whether you drink it in the pub or at home.

But it's at the potential cost of alienating their best customers.

Sheep Shagger · 19-03-2021 7:45pm

BeerNut wrote: »

But it's at the potential cost of alienating their best customers.

True but isn't off site consumption growing at the expense of on site consumption even before COVID?

People are entertaining more and more at home, COVID is likely to change people's habits when this is all over.

Pubs will never die obviously but in home has to be a segment they are looking at. The pubs might not like it but the brewers want their product consumed...wherever that may be.

MarkN · 20-03-2021 5:40pm

Nothing confirmed but I’ve reason to believe these may be available in traditional retail within ROI soon...

Bowlardo · 21-03-2021 12:00am

Thundercats Ho wrote: »

I know they're not available here (surger cans), but the equivalent price in the north is between €3 / L and €4 / L depending if they're €40 or €50 a slab.

£50 is about €58. Is about €2.40 a can.
I managed to get some but paid well over the odd for them but the are definitely worth it at that price

BigAl81 · 21-03-2021 10:38am

Owh do tell. And how soon is soon

Guinness Surger

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