Guinness Surger

irish_goat

These surgers only seem to allow 1 part pour, so there's no way it tastes any good at all.

sharkman

irish_goat wrote: »

These surgers only seem to allow 1 part pour, so there's no way it tastes any good at all.

I beg to differ.

MarkN

Lynk wrote: »

Got an Ultrasonic Jewellery cleaner from my local lidl for €25, they had loads of them in stock so I was in luck. Ordered the cans from beershark, at some cost, €82 for 24 after shipping and taxes.

Begs the question is there any other option for buying the cans online?

Care to mention what Lidl this was? I’ve tried 5 today without joy.

Lynk

MarkN wrote: »

Care to mention what Lidl this was? I’ve tried 5 today without joy.

No problem, I'm down in West Cork, it was the Bantry one.

BigAl81

Ha, the two part pour is pure marketing / nonsense from Guinness.

I worked in a bar and nobody could tell the difference between a 1, 2 or 3 part pour when we did blind taste tests which we did regularly for the craic!

Tried glass at 45 degrees, 90 degrees, long drop from the tap etc, Not. One. Bit. Of. Difference.

Rumor was I drank a pint from my shoe one night, now that tasted differently, but that's a whole other story 

Buddy Bubs

irish_goat wrote: »

These surgers only seem to allow 1 part pour, so there's no way it tastes any good at all.

Pulled pints many a time for myself with 1 full pour and its the exact same. Marketing gimmick.

Insect Overlord

Pretty sure the goat is only being sarcastic, lads.

Mellor

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Pretty sure the goat is only being sarcastic, lads.

I think that the irony of the thing. You can’t really tell if people are joking or not.

Greenlights16

sharkman wrote: »

Here's the Surger unit on Amazon Germany ... https://www.amazon.de/-/en/Klarstein-Superpure-Ultrasonic-Jewellery-Stainless/dp/B01N6SUZKH/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=klarstein+superpure&qid=1614354204&sr=8-2

Won't let me order that one from Amazon Germany, says delivery cannot be done at present to NI or ROI

The off license in Jonesborough have the 24 Surger cans at £50/€58 and the unit is £50 also but it's just a jewellery cleaner.

the lad on the phone said you can't get the official guinness unit anymore, only on ebay 2nd hand??

trying to source the official surger unit for my old man for St.Patrick's day next week, he's very particular and doesn't want a jewellery cleaner :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Lynk

Tested out my first can earlier, put the glass in the freezer for 10-15 mins, put the can in there for 20.


What I will say is the head is half way between the proper pint and the cans, I wouldn't say its a creamy a top as a top level pint. But the flavour is great. Honestly, I reckon flavour wise its a 8/10 pint you'd get in a pub, which is worth it's weight in gold at these times.

Greenlights16

Where did ye get all your gear?

MarkN

Can confirm that they are worth it. Made with a Silver Crest cleaner, have a black unit ordered though.

Greenlights16

Can ye post a link or tell me where you got the silver crest cleaner mark? Or where you have ordered your black unit from? Trying to get one for a present

Lynk

Greenlights16 wrote: »

Can ye post a link or tell me where you got the silver crest cleaner mark? Or where you have ordered your black unit from? Trying to get one for a present

Silvercrest one is lidl, and it's available for 25 quid, but it really depends on the lidl, it's labelled as an ultrasonic jewellery cleaner. If that fails, look for an ultrasonic jewellery cleaner on amazon or eBay, it may take longer to arrive but they should be OK too

DelmarODonnell

Lynk wrote: »

Tested out my first can earlier, put the glass in the freezer for 10-15 mins, put the can in there for 20.


What I will say is the head is half way between the proper pint and the cans, I wouldn't say its a creamy a top as a top level pint. But the flavour is great. Honestly, I reckon flavour wise its a 8/10 pint you'd get in a pub, which is worth it's weight in gold at these times.

The same beer goes into the normal cans, surger cans and kegs. This is not flavour you are talking about.

However drinking a beer ice cold is one sure way to hide any flavour.

MarkN

I tried 5 Lidl stores on Saturday but couldn't find any.

The one I ordered is this one https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01N6SUZKH/ref=pe_3044161_185740101_TE_item

Greenlights16

MarkN wrote: »

I tried 5 Lidl stores on Saturday but couldn't find any.

The one I ordered is this one https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01N6SUZKH/ref=pe_3044161_185740101_TE_item

How are ye lads getting this delivered to Ireland? It keeps saying it's unavailable for delivery, can't get my head around it at all

Lynk

DelmarODonnell wrote: »

The same beer goes into the normal cans, surger cans and kegs. This is not flavour you are talking about.

However drinking a beer ice cold is one sure way to hide any flavour.

The normal cans are absolute garbage and you know that. Metallic taste, settles in 5 seconds and goes flat 4 mins after you pour.

Hotblack Desiato

Bowlardo wrote: »

Responded to my Query on the 26th of Feb
Dear Mr,

Unfortunately as the surgers are not used in bars in Ireland

Not anymore but I have been served a surger pint in a bar in Dublin!

Looked and tasted exactly the same as any draught pint of Guinness, if I hadn't seen it being done I'd have been none the wiser.

Also cans cannot have a 'metallic taste' cans are plastic lined- and aren't beer kegs made out of metal....?

Have never had a floating widget can of Guinness go flat in four minutes either. The head from the fixed widget can slabs at Christmas wasn't nearly as good, but I wasn't letting them sit long enough in the glass to care :pac:

Lynk

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Not anymore but I have been served a surger pint in a bar in Dublin!

Looked and tasted exactly the same as any draught pint of Guinness, if I hadn't seen it being done I'd have been none the wiser.

Also cans cannot have a 'metallic taste' cans are plastic lined- and aren't beer kegs made out of metal....?

Have never had a floating widget can of Guinness go flat in four minutes either. The head from the fixed widget can slabs at Christmas wasn't nearly as good, but I wasn't letting them sit long enough in the glass to care :pac:

I'm talking about the fixed widget. The cans prior to the pandemic weren't bad at all, then they seemed to get progressively worse in quality, culminating in the fixed widget which is absolute sludge. Those cans are the ones that settle in 10 seconds and go stale in 4 mins.

Glebee

Anyone try an ordinary can on the sonic cleaner probably noted previously

sharkman

Greenlights16 wrote: »

How are ye lads getting this delivered to Ireland? It keeps saying it's unavailable for delivery, can't get my head around it at all

Unusual, just checked here and mine was delivered directly to me without any third party courier.

MarkN

Until you've tried these cans, it would be best to reserve judgement. They are a far superior product. Seriously.

Greenlights16

Quickest I can get the Klarstein ultrasonic cleaner is estimated 15-19th March through Amazon ES (Spain)

DelmarODonnell

Lynk wrote: »

The normal cans are absolute garbage and you know that. Metallic taste, settles in 5 seconds and goes flat 4 mins after you pour.

Hardcore Guinness drinkers are absolutely insane. The Gemma O'Dohertys of the beer drinking world. Conspiracy after conspiracy.

Hotblack Desiato

Lynk wrote: »

I'm talking about the fixed widget.

The fixed widget isn't the normal can, and hopefully won't be back.

MrMusician18

This thread is evidence that you eat with your eyes as much as you do with your mouth.

Most hardcore Guinness drinkers have trouble distinguishing between Guinness and Murphy's let alone between cans, kegs and surgers.

Hats off to the Guinness marketing department though. The amount of myths that have created around their product is something else.

Lynk

DelmarODonnell wrote: »

Hardcore Guinness drinkers are absolutely insane. The Gemma O'Dohertys of the beer drinking world. Conspiracy after conspiracy.

Hahaha, 5G is to blame for the lacklustre Guinness products of late. Either that or George Soros.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Most hardcore Guinness drinkers have trouble distinguishing between Guinness and Murphy's let alone between cans, kegs and surgers.

It's like Pepsi and Coke. Murphys and Guinness are both stout, but they have a different flavour. Doesn't take someone "hardcore" to know that. Just someone with functioning taste buds.

Greenlights16

Don't think I'll bother at this stage either and will talk sense into the oul lad.

If Guinness themselves didn't bother to make such a product available during the last 12 months that tells you all. Sure they could have made an absolute fortune selling official gadgets to make their cans taste more like a pint in the pub.

When you type "Guinness surger unit" into google it brings you to Ebay UK, where old, old pieces of equipment in places like Stoke, are being sold by complete numpties who think their worthless piece of equipment is somehow able to be sold for £300GBP all of a sudden. Another fad, people going mad over something just to say they have it, each to their own.

MrMusician18

Greenlights16 wrote: »

Don't think I'll bother at this stage either and will talk sense into the oul lad.

If Guinness themselves didn't bother to make such a product available during the last 12 months that tells you all. Sure they could have made an absolute fortune selling official gadgets to make their cans taste more like a pint in the pub.

When you type "Guinness surger unit" into google it brings you to Ebay UK, where old, old pieces of equipment in places like Stoke, are being sold by complete numpties who think their worthless piece of equipment is somehow able to be sold for £300GBP all of a sudden. Another fad, people going mad over something just to say they have it, each to their own.

The cans taste exactly like (sometimes better), than pints from the pub. They don't look like pints from the pub however.

Lynk

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The cans taste exactly like (sometimes better), than pints from the pub. They don't look like pints from the pub however.

Proved my argument, you don't have functioning taste buds either that or your local must be serving out absolute dross.

Greenlights16

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The cans taste exactly like (sometimes better), than pints from the pub. They don't look like pints from the pub however.

Na I'd have to disagree there, the cans don't taste the same ever, and from a few people I know who've used the gadget, they said they're very very good, but still not as good as a top class pour from a decent local.

MarkN

I don’t understand the hate towards those who want to use these. There is a difference. Murphy’s and Guinness, there is a difference (totally different malt flavour from Murphy’s). If you can’t taste that, there’s something up.

We’re 12 months into this crap, if people want to try surge cans, what’s the harm !

MrMusician18

MarkN wrote: »

I don’t understand the hate towards those who want to use these. There is a difference. Murphy’s and Guinness, there is a difference (totally different malt flavour from Murphy’s). If you can’t taste that, there’s something up.

We’re 12 months into this crap, if people want to try surge cans, what’s the harm !

There is a difference yes, but most people wouldn't be able to tell you which was which. Case study of one I know, but a friend of mine is one of those annoying Guinness drinkers. Only drinks it and claims it's better in Grogans/Palace/_insert good Guinness pub here_. So as an experiment we got him a pint of Murphy's served in a Guinness glass. He literally proclaimed it to be a particularly excellent pint of Guinness. The flavour profiles are different but not a million miles different.

A blind taste test on pulled, surged and canned pints would be interesting. I would bet most would struggle to identify the better drink. And of course they would, it's the same beer in all three.

But yeah, go buy your surger if you want one.

EagererBeaver

MrMusician18 wrote: »

The cans taste exactly like (sometimes better), than pints from the pub. They don't look like pints from the pub however.

Demonstrably bollocks.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

This thread is evidence that you eat with your eyes as much as you do with your mouth.

Most hardcore Guinness drinkers have trouble distinguishing between Guinness and Murphy's let alone between cans, kegs and surgers.

Nothing close to a hardcore Guinness drinker here and can say that this is, again, absolute bollocks.

DelmarODonnell wrote: »

Hardcore Guinness drinkers are absolutely insane. The Gemma O'Dohertys of the beer drinking world. Conspiracy after conspiracy.

Just ****ing lol.

MrMusician18

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Demonstrably bollocks.



Nothing close to a hardcore Guinness drinker here and can say that this is, again, absolute bollocks.



Just ****ing lol.

Demonstrably bollocks, I suppose you will be able to point to the evidence so, because whether kegged or canned it comes from the same fermentation vessel and is chemically indistinguishable.

Without the cue of sight I would bet you couldn't reliably tell the difference. That's nothing to be surprised about, some people can't tell the difference between pork and lamb in a blind test, wine experts are not be able to distinguish between red and white wine dyed red.

listermint

MrMusician18 wrote: »

There is a difference yes, but most people wouldn't be able to tell you which was which. Case study of one I know, but a friend of mine is one of those annoying Guinness drinkers. Only drinks it and claims it's better in Grogans/Palace/_insert good Guinness pub here_. So as an experiment we got him a pint of Murphy's served in a Guinness glass. He literally proclaimed it to be a particularly excellent pint of Guinness. The flavour profiles are different but not a million miles different.

A blind taste test on pulled, surged and canned pints would be interesting. I would bet most would struggle to identify the better drink. And of course they would, it's the same beer in all three.

But yeah, go buy your surger if you want one.

Tbf. Murphys and Guinness is easily spotable they are completely different tastes.

Your friend is just a bull ****ter.

And yes these surgers are a gimmick.


All these things can be true at the same time .

Lynk

I don't think this lad has ever had a decent pint, probably goes to Dublin Airport to get his Guinness.

EagererBeaver

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Demonstrably bollocks, I suppose you will be able to point to the evidence so, because whether kegged or canned it comes from the same fermentation vessel and is chemically indistinguishable.

Without the cue of sight I would bet you couldn't reliably tell the difference. That's nothing to be surprised about, some people can't tell the difference between pork and lamb in a blind test, wine experts are not be able to distinguish between red and white wine dyed red.

a) you could absolutely tell the difference

b) is not chemically indistinguishable. A 90 second check on the Guinness website will tell you that the brew in the keg (the same that goes into the Surger cans) is carbonated more. Lately a chemical difference between the two.

c) it's almost as if sight is an important part of the dining experience, isn't it?

Fall_Guy

MrMusician18 wrote: »

There is a difference yes, but most people wouldn't be able to tell you which was which. Case study of one I know, but a friend of mine is one of those annoying Guinness drinkers. Only drinks it and claims it's better in Grogans/Palace/_insert good Guinness pub here_. So as an experiment we got him a pint of Murphy's served in a Guinness glass. He literally proclaimed it to be a particularly excellent pint of Guinness. The flavour profiles are different but not a million miles different.

A blind taste test on pulled, surged and canned pints would be interesting. I would bet most would struggle to identify the better drink. And of course they would, it's the same beer in all three.

But yeah, go buy your surger if you want one.

I do feel people may be able to tell the difference between canned and kegged nitro Guinness in blind tests (no knowledge of surger) but I think it would be due to them feeling slightly different (the head does seem to be a slightly different texture to my untrained Guinness palette!) rather than tasting different.

Whether you think that what the tasteless part of a drink feels like should be the key variable in judging the quality of said drink is a different matter of course...

MrMusician18

Lynk wrote: »

I don't think this lad has ever had a decent pint, probably goes to Dublin Airport to get his Guinness.

Ah "the great Guinness pub" myth. A carryover from when there was genuine skill in pulling a pint and when it was a fresh product. Again kudos to Guinness marketing.

The Guinness you'll get in the airport is as good as anywhere else you'll get it.

BigAl81

There's a lad on YouTube that does a lot of blind taste tests. "The Guinness Guru" is the channel I think.

Spoiler alert, they don't do too well

irish_goat

Lynk wrote: »

I don't think this lad has ever had a decent pint, probably goes to Dublin Airport to get his Guinness.

Dublin airport probably pours more pints of a stout a day than most pubs.

Lynk

irish_goat wrote: »

Dublin airport probably pours more pints of a stout a day than most pubs.

The quality isn't great though. Not that it's of any fault to the employees, the place is like a cattle mart most days.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Ah "the great Guinness pub" myth. A carryover from when there was genuine skill in pulling a pint and when it was a fresh product. Again kudos to Guinness marketing.

The Guinness you'll get in the airport is as good as anywhere else you'll get it.

Ignoring your posts from now on. Nothing personal, you're just either on a wind up or don't know enough.

Insect Overlord

The local near my college had Guinness, Beamish and Murphy's on tap. The lads used to have great fun doing blind taste challenges and trying to bluff/double bluff each other (eg. Guinness in a Guinness glass, Murphy's in a Beamish glass, Beamish in a Coors glass, etc) but whether they guessed right or not, they still got 3 grand pints of stout each.

L1011

Lynk wrote: »

I don't think this lad has ever had a decent pint, probably goes to Dublin Airport to get his Guinness.

Congratulations on having been sucked in to the marketing of a giant multinational.

Guinness has more nonsense mythology than possibly anything else, and they actively encourage it.

The "great Guinness pub" stuff is down to how the pub looks and feels, not how they identically dispense an identical product

Lynk

L1011 wrote: »

Congratulations on having been sucked in to the marketing of a giant multinational.

Guinness has more nonsense mythology than possibly anything else, and they actively encourage it.

The "great Guinness pub" stuff is down to how the pub looks and feels, not how they identically dispense an identical product

"Identically dispense" is nonsense. The layout and maintenance of each system is different as is the sale for each drink from pub to pub. Murphys is my poison but its hard to find a good pint of it when it's in a bar that might only sell 10 or so pints a day.

Lewis_Benson

listermint wrote: »

Genuinely believe this is a gimmick and with a blind taste test you wouldn't tell the difference between it and standard widget can decently poured

Exactly
Who whole 2 part pour is a load of horse shyte too.

L1011

L1011 wrote: »

Congratulations on having been sucked in to the marketing of a giant multinational.

Guinness has more nonsense mythology than possibly anything else, and they actively encourage it.

The "great Guinness pub" stuff is down to how the pub looks and feels, not how they identically dispense an identical product

Some pints of Guinness are better than others, the same as pints of other drinks are better in some places than other too. To say they’re all identical is absolutely ridiculous.

Lynk

I don't get where all these people crawling out the woodwork are coming from? If you don't think there's a difference, pub to pub or from can to pint, you're free to think that. But I'm free, in my experience of working in bars as an consumer to disagree. It doesn't make me a Diaego shill, the pubs earn billions and people pay 4 times the price of a can because the consumers must believe it too, evidenced by the interested in these surgers.

Now, I've had good cans. But the best can I've ever had doesn't come anywhere close to the best pint I've ever had. It had nothing to with the environment of the place or my eyes playing tricks on me. The surger cans in my opinion, are better quality than the average Guinness can, but they also come with the cavaet of being grossly overexpensive compared to the normal cans due to import charges and shipping.