What steps should be taken to make Ireland great again?

Captain Obvious · 16-01-2019 2:42pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Look up literally ANY violent criminal in the news, they will have 50-100 previous convictions yet were still allowed to walk free each time, we need to at least change the law so judges can be sued, as they have a duty of care to society and are failing en masse.

I'm not sure where you are getting this duty of care from. I believe their duty is to apply the law in line with precedent. That's what they are doing. If you want that to change you have to change the law by statute. You look at any Judge who does implement harsh penalties, even in the district court, and you will see a massive appeal rate for the sentence. At this stage that can only be fixed quickly by the intervention of the legislature. And you still have the issue of people being released from prisons due to overcrowding.

Bigbagofcans · 16-01-2019 2:48pm

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

3) unemployed over 6 months, food stamps, community service work

We'd have a lot more homelessness if food stamps were brought in - more alcoholics/addicts on the streets.

worded · 16-01-2019 2:49pm

T Shirts with “make ireland Grand again”

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 16-01-2019 2:50pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

He also wanted to reduce social welfare benefits overall. Are you going to argue these are not right wing policies or stick to pedantry.

Many people appreciate that taxing working people to the hilt so that we can dole out €20+ billion a year on social welfare is insane. That doesn't make them hard-right Stormfronters.

He proposed to eliminate an entire ethnic group. he just wants to do it with the stroke of a pen.

A made-up ethnic group that did not even exist two years ago. So we'd just go back to the way things were in early 2017?

That was the case before their status changed. You still haven't said how it would benefit the country though.

It would let people hold Travellers accountable for the very high rates of unemployment, crime, domestic violence, anti-social behavior, child marriage, early school leaving, etc., in their communities without being confronted with spurious accusations of "racism."

The logic since Kenny's statement has been to describe any criticism of Travellers as "racism" even when that criticism is entirely legitimate and warranted. Their ethnic status is being used by the left to suppress free speech.

El_Bee · 16-01-2019 2:51pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I'm not sure where you are getting this duty of care from. I believe their duty is to apply the law in line with precedent. That's what they are doing. If you want that to change you have to change the law by statute. You look at any Judge who does implement harsh penalties, even in the district court, and you will see a massive appeal rate for the sentence. At this stage that can only be fixed quickly by the intervention of the legislature. And you still have the issue of people being released from prisons due to overcrowding.

The way I'm looking at it is, if I'm walking down the road and some guy cracks me on the back of the head and takes my wallet/phone, and it turns out this guy has 60+ convictions for doing the same thing, why can't I hold the Judge(s) who let him walk each time responsible?

Fiftyfilthy · 16-01-2019 2:52pm

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

We'd have a lot more homelessness if food stamps were brought in - more alcoholics/addicts on the streets.

Build more hostels then

tuxy · 16-01-2019 2:52pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

And you still have the issue of people being released from prisons due to overcrowding.

That's why we need to have privately run prisons so we don't run out of space.
I don't think it will reduce crime rates but we can at least line the pockets of wealthy businessmen who can then provide low paying jobs in harsh conditions.

Dr Turk Turkelton · 16-01-2019 3:00pm

maccored wrote: »

we all need caps that say 'make Ireland great again', and we need to build a wall. somewhere.

America wants to be made great again by building a wall so we should double down and become super great by building 2 walls.
One separating us from the North and one separating us from Cork.

James Brown · 16-01-2019 3:10pm

Ireland was never great.
We swapped Brits for Me Feiners.

Anything great about Ireland comes from socialism and we need more of it.
We've FF/FG playing at politics when they are two cartels who need to be seen to serve the public.

We need social and affordable housing. An end to subsidising private housing business with tax payer money.
State built and owned rentals are better value than the state renting or buying privately. That's a fact, so get over the 'forever home' sh*te. It's that or hotels ffs.
The next crash, NO BAILOUTS. If you gamble and lose take it on the chin like the rest of us who got accused of 'going mad' or 'partying'.

No children's allowance after two kids. You have a third, that's your right, but we ain't paying

Stop letting doctors use large waiting lists as an advert for their private clinic.
Get professionals from outside of Ireland to come in and audit the HSE. We are obviously unable or unwilling to tackle it ourselves.

Bring in legislation that penalises any councilor or TD found to have behaved inappropriately, fraudulently with fines and if a minister is sacked, they lose the pension for that post.

Abolish the f***ing Seanad. Watchdog of government my hole.

How's that for a start?

Pissartist · 16-01-2019 3:11pm

A united Ireland with no borders

Hector Savage · 16-01-2019 3:13pm

Feisar wrote: »

I think the poster meant that, if it's a social welfare house.

ah ok!
makes sense ... apologies.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 16-01-2019 3:14pm

El_Bee wrote: »

The way I'm looking at it is, if I'm walking down the road and some guy cracks me on the back of the head and takes my wallet/phone, and it turns out this guy has 60+ convictions for doing the same thing, why can't I hold the Judge(s) who let him walk each time responsible?

Apparently you're on the "hard right" if you expect this thug to go to jail.

Austria! · 16-01-2019 3:17pm

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Captain Obvious · 16-01-2019 3:21pm

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

We'd have a lot more homelessness if food stamps were brought in - more alcoholics/addicts on the streets.

More for the chain gangs I guess.

Tinley Scarce Sin wrote: »

Many people appreciate that taxing working people to the hilt so that we can dole out €20+ billion a year on social welfare is insane. That doesn't make them hard-right Stormfronters.

It doesn't.

Tinley Scarce Sin wrote: »

A made-up ethnic group that did not even exist two years ago. So we'd just go back to the way things were in early 2017?

When travellers posed no issue?

Tinley Scarce Sin wrote: »

It would let people hold Travellers accountable for the very high rates of unemployment, crime, domestic violence, anti-social behavior, child marriage, early school leaving, etc., in their communities without being confronted with spurious accusations of "racism."

It wouldn't do any of that. It didn't before. What do you think would, or could, happen the day after ethnic status was removed?

Tinley Scarce Sin wrote: »

The logic since Kenny's statement has been to describe any criticism of Travellers as "racism" even when that criticism is entirely legitimate and warranted. Their ethnic status is being used by the left to suppress free speech.

It was the same before they had ethnic status. Membership of the travelling community was a separate but equal status as ethnicity.

El_Bee wrote: »

The way I'm looking at it is, if I'm walking down the road and some guy cracks me on the back of the head and takes my wallet/phone, and it turns out this guy has 60+ convictions for doing the same thing, why can't I hold the Judge(s) who let him walk each time responsible?

Why not hold the Garda who arrested him the last time responsible? Or the governor who released him from prison? Judges are generally bound by precedent and by prison capacity. You have to change both of those things to accomplish what you want. Changing the judge won't change anything. That's not to say some judges aren't off the reservation completely and impeachment should not be a more utilised procedure but in most cases that's not the case.

tuxy wrote: »

That's why we need to have privately run prisons so we don't run out of space.
I don't think it will reduce crime rates but we can at least line the pockets of wealthy businessmen who can then provide low paying jobs in harsh conditions.

Sounds like a utopia.

James Brown · 16-01-2019 3:30pm

Tinley Scarce Sin wrote: »

Many people appreciate that taxing working people to the hilt so that we can dole out €20+ billion a year on social welfare is insane. That doesn't make them hard-right Stormfronters....

I'd say it makes them poorly informed, conned or willingly perpetuating a con.

That money goes towards the sick, poor and elderly, their services and social welfare for the minuscule numbers unemployed.
A lot of it goes towards subsidising rents to private landlords and hotel bills because we've a housing crisis. Due in no small part to gross incompetence by government, who operate and control this system, yet let's all say all that money goes to dem that want something for nothing, because it keeps it simple like.

El_Bee · 16-01-2019 3:39pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Why not hold the Garda who arrested him the last time responsible? Or the governor who released him from prison? Judges are generally bound by precedent and by prison capacity. You have to change both of those things to accomplish what you want. Changing the judge won't change anything. That's not to say some judges aren't off the reservation completely and impeachment should not be a more utilised procedure but in most cases that's not the case.

Gardai are hamstrung, they bring these guys into court and see them walk out 30 mins later, there's a great AMA with a Gardai on here talking about it, most criminal know full well they will not see jail time for most crimes, it's a huge cultural problem among the judiciary which needs to change.

Captain Obvious · 16-01-2019 3:44pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Gardai are hamstrung, they bring these guys into court and see them walk out 30 mins later, there's a great AMA with a Gardai on here talking about it, most criminal know full well they will not see jail time for most crimes, it's a huge cultural problem among the judiciary which needs to change.

But that's just the thing. It can't just change. Judges are bound by the precedent set before them. If they give a harsh sentence it will be appealed based on it's harshness compared to other sentences for the same crime.

El_Bee · 16-01-2019 3:51pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

But that's just the thing. It can't just change. Judges are bound by the precedent set before them. If they give a harsh sentence it will be appealed based on it's harshness compared to other sentences for the same crime.

I'm not asking for muggers or aggravated burglars to get life, it's a bit scary to think that something like 3-5 is harsh or "draconian".

oLoonatic · 16-01-2019 3:54pm

Do anything the "yellow vest" brigade want. they seem to have well thought out and practical ideas.

tuxy · 16-01-2019 4:10pm

oLoonatic wrote: »

Do anything the "yellow vest" brigade want. they seem to have well thought out and practical ideas.

Did you attend the yellow vest protest in Dublin? It was some spectacle but on the opposite end of the scale to the Paris ones!

Seanachai · 16-01-2019 4:16pm

Austria! wrote: »

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We did, I'm tormented walking the streets or shopping sometimes, I've no idea where they socialise though

Cienciano · 16-01-2019 4:24pm

abcabc123123 wrote: »

Mmm, sometimes I wonder what DeV and Cloud make of what this place has become. After Hours being under 'Social & Fun' is a total misnomer. Back in the day, sure, it was a place where beers were organised, people knew each other and threads were mostly whimsical nonsense. Something approximating the category it is in now. These days it's probably closer to Stormfront.

I've used AH since 2006, back then people said the same thing

oLoonatic · 16-01-2019 4:26pm

tuxy wrote: »

Did you attend the yellow vest protest in Dublin? It was some spectacle but on the opposite end of the scale to the Paris ones!

Hence the quote marks. they may as well be flying tommy robinson flags.

marieholmfan · 16-01-2019 4:27pm

1 Identify richest 1000 families
2 Hang them all
3 spend the money
when the money runs out GOTO 1

Chris_Heilong · 16-01-2019 4:35pm

Sort out Ballbriggan, it has become a getto, spread the african families around in order to help them integrate better so they dont form a sub culture within Ireland that will lead to gang violence as has happened so many times before in other countries and we are see elements starting here.

Muckka · 16-01-2019 4:40pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Sort out Ballbriggan, it has become a getto, spread the african families around in order to help them integrate better so they dont form a sub culture within Ireland that will lead to gang violence as has happened so many times before in other countries and we are see elements starting here.

Ennis isn't far behind, you've Roma's and Travellers fighting.

They absolutely hate each other, I think it's a heritage thing.
Who's the real gypsy.

The African's in Ennis are grand they're well intergrated, same in Shannon, the Sikks blend in well too.
Same as the Chileans, they came in the 80's.
The Libians are quite enough too.

The Roma's stick together though.

Bigbagofcans · 16-01-2019 4:43pm

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

Sort out Ballbriggan, it has become a getto, spread the african families around in order to help them integrate better so they dont form a sub culture within Ireland that will lead to gang violence as has happened so many times before in other countries and we are see elements starting here.

London is a prime example of it getting worse and worse

16-01-2019 4:46pm

I would insist that all conflicts are resolved via the medium of a dance-off.

oLoonatic · 16-01-2019 4:48pm

Candie wrote: »

I would insist that all conflicts are resolved via the medium of a dance-off.

finally someone speaking sense!!!

16-01-2019 4:50pm

Political parties would be invited to partake of a large-scale game of musical chairs to the theme from James Bond. Last person sitting gets their lot into power.

Seanachai · 16-01-2019 5:09pm

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

London is a prime example of it getting worse and worse

Parts of London are more or less finished for white working class people

El_Bee · 16-01-2019 5:12pm

Relax restrictions on owning firearms, especially if you live in a remote rural area.

oLoonatic · 16-01-2019 5:14pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Relax restrictions on owning firearms, especially if you live in a remote rural area.

Yeah america seems to be doing will with that.

El_Bee · 16-01-2019 5:18pm

oLoonatic wrote: »

Yeah america seems to be doing will with that.

Don't really care about how the americans are doing, but if isolated farmers etc. were armed the people invading their homes and brutalizing them might think twice, and if not, it's Darwin award season.

oLoonatic · 16-01-2019 5:22pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Don't really care about how the americans are doing, but if isolated farmers etc. were armed the people invading their homes and brutalizing them might think twice, and if not, it's Darwin award season.

Peoples homes in cities are being burgled too, with that mindset would everyone not be better off having guns in that case........just like america. Giving healy rae supporters more access to guns is a disaster waiting to happen.

Seanachai · 16-01-2019 5:28pm

oLoonatic wrote: »

Peoples homes in cities are being burgled too, with that mindset would everyone not be better off having guns in that case........just like america. Giving healy rae supporters more access to guns is a disaster waiting to happen.

There's a definite climate of fear in relation to violent burglaries where I'm from in the SE. My grandfather used to make buckshot shells with barley and other materials in them, as while he would be willing to shoot an intruder, at the same time he didn't want to kill anybody.

My parents won't have guns in the house, but if I was moving back down, I'd definitely be getting one.

oLoonatic · 16-01-2019 5:44pm

Seanachai wrote: »

There's a definite climate of fear in relation to violent burglaries where I'm from in the SE. My grandfather used to make buckshot shells with barley and other materials in them, as while he would be willing to shoot an intruder, at the same time he didn't want to kill anybody.

My parents won't have guns in the house, but if I was moving back down, I'd definitely be getting one.

So would you be willing to go to prison for shooting someone? How would you legislate that people in rural Ireland can shoot people in their homes. Or indeed the whole of Ireland. Surely there is a better solution to tackle crime other than arming people with lethal weapons.

16-01-2019 5:45pm

All new homes would be built to higher specifications. Not just green in terms of insulation and energy efficiency, but also compliant with my proposed Zombie Apocalypse Preparedness guildelines. Better safe than sorry.

James Brown · 16-01-2019 5:46pm

Can we shut down FF/FG and give some new chancers a go?

Captain Obvious · 16-01-2019 5:51pm

Candie wrote: »

All new homes would be built to higher specifications. Not just green in terms of insulation and energy efficiency, but also compliant with my proposed Zombie Apocalypse Preparedness guildelines. Better safe than sorry.

How would you do the moats in semi detached estates? Around the whole estate or just every two houses?

16-01-2019 5:53pm

Captain Obvious wrote: »

How would you do the moats in semi detached estates? Around the whole estate or just every two houses?

Whole estate. Pick your neighbours and take your chances.

I'm not wasting public funds on unnecessary moating. I'd never get re-elected!

selous · 16-01-2019 6:00pm

Could build a children's hospital for the initial price!

Seanachai · 16-01-2019 6:02pm

oLoonatic wrote: »

So would you be willing to go to prison for shooting someone? How would you legislate that people in rural Ireland can shoot people in their homes. Or indeed the whole of Ireland. Surely there is a better solution to tackle crime other than arming people with lethal weapons.

Certainly not if they broke into my home, we should be legally permitted to use reasonable force if assaulted and if we feel our lives are in danger, take the next step.

I don't want to kill anybody, even if they were more than willing to kill me or my family, but I couldn't stand by and watch somebody beat somebody the way some of my neighbours have been. Getting into fights with knives and bats and things is way too risky, that's why I'd feel safer with the guns.

EdgeCase · 16-01-2019 7:01pm

Considering Ireland's history until the end of the 20th century, I'm not really sure when the country was ever all that great to begin with. It's a nice place, but at no time in the modern or even not so modern era was it ever particularly 'great'.

Be careful you're not imagining Ireland's history as something it most definitely wasn't.

This is about as good as it's been, in centuries.

mvl · 16-01-2019 7:23pm

Tinley Scarce Sin wrote: »

In the news lately ...

-- A man who robbed €2,500 in cash from an 87-year-old outside a Bank of Ireland branch claimed that he had been experiencing a "manic episode" and got off with a suspended sentence.

-- A man caught "minding" over €600,000 worth of heroin and cocaine in a car park at Dublin Airport was also handed a suspended sentence.

-- A woman who starved her two dogs to the point where they almost died was fined €100 and given a three-month suspended sentence.

-- A man who punched his former partner in the mouth outside a creche, and repeatedly punched her to the head and body and kicked her after she had fallen to the ground, all in front of their 2-year-old daughter, was only jailed after the DPP appealed his suspended sentence as unduly lenient.

You don't have to be a hard-right Stormfronter to see that something is seriously wrong with the judicial system in Ireland.

And I am intrigued by the one with

-- Massage parlour boss who thought offering 'manual relief' was legal receives suspended sentence

tuxy · 16-01-2019 7:28pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Don't really care about how the americans are doing, but if isolated farmers etc. were armed the people invading their homes and brutalizing them might think twice, and if not, it's Darwin award season.

You know the attacker has the upper hand right?

Higher availability of guns means more dead home owners.
The way it is now most farmers have a shotguns and burgles don't have much access to guns but it does not help.

whisky_galore · 16-01-2019 8:09pm

El_Bee wrote: »

Relax restrictions on owning firearms, especially if you live in a remote rural area.

Nope. The laws are fine.

Don't want idiots with no business of keeping guns shooting anything that moves or their own toes off.

tuxy · 16-01-2019 8:11pm

People who don't live in a rural area and have no need for guns seem to misunderstand how easy it is to legally buy one once you have no criminal record.

Of course illegal guns are available too but are incredibly expensive because of scarcity.

whisky_galore · 16-01-2019 8:26pm

tuxy wrote: »

People who don't live in a rural area and have no need for guns seem to misunderstand how easy it is to legally buy one once you have no criminal record.

Of course illegal guns are available too but are incredibly expensive because of scarcity.

You have to jump through a few hoops first, it's not that easy.
They won't approve your application unless you have a good reason to own one and 'home defence' isn't a valid reason.

sitkaspruce · 16-01-2019 8:27pm

Get rid of nepotism

What steps should be taken to make Ireland great again?

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