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Journalism and cycling

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  • #8902
    hollypink
    Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭hollypink


    micar wrote: »
    It was me who tweeted him.

    Fair play to you. I don't cycle much since I moved out of Dublin but my OH often heads off for a long spin on a Sat or Sun and sometimes I'm a little uneasy about his safety.


  • #8903
    De Bhál
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭De Bhál


    hollypink wrote: »
    After the piece on Pat Kenny about cyclists on Monday, a senator tweeted about seeing cyclists breaking the lights. He was challenged to accompany a cyclist on a cycle around Dublin city centre to see it from a cyclist's perspective, and to his credit (he is in his sixties and doesnt own a bike so it must be a long time since he cycled), he agreed. I hope it happens and maybe changes the way he views cyclists.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1194337092081508352

    (Although I didnt like the way he asked to be provided with a bike, helmet and camera, it sounded more like a demand than a request and he could have sorted that himself)

    why'd he want a camera?

    this should be interesting as this lad maybe hasn't cycled in 40years


  • #8904
    mr spuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    De Bhál wrote: »
    why'd he want a camera?

    this should be interesting as this lad maybe hasn't cycled in 40years

    He said himself he hasn't cycled in that long. He said he asked for the camera as he assumed this should / would be recorded. Pretty sure micar said he already has one so that bit is covered.


  • #8905
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,172 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    De Bh111756562 wrote:
    should be getting a couple of months driving ban for going 180 on a motorway.
    INdeed but it doesn't happen, in my partners workplace, several colleagues have been caught at north of 150kmph and they do brag about the points?!?
    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    I'm surprised people admit to driving over 100mph or close to. I hope they said this in a tone that made you think they were ashamed about it?
    He sounded like it doesn't happen now but the view of not doing it again was because they got caught, not because they were in the wrong or dangerous.n This is why enforcement is important because some people will never learn.
    ]And why they would mention it in the workplace either is surprising as in a lot of workplaces where employees have the use of or are required to drive company vehicles then it could lead to a reprimand by H.R.
    Indeed, people are weird. I am one of the few in my place that drives for work but even if I didn't, I would not be bragging about that behaviour to anyone. They don't drive work vehicles but they would be driving between two workplaces, and I would consider it driving for work as they are going to meetings down the country.
    mr spuckler wrote: »
    He said himself he hasn't cycled in that long. He said he asked for the camera as he assumed this should / would be recorded. Pretty sure micar said he already has one so that bit is covered.
    I offered him my camera and a set of lights if he wanted as well. I left the Hi Vis bit out


  • #8906
    micar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭micar


    De Bh111759249 wrote:
    why'd he want a camera?

    this should be interesting as this lad maybe hasn't cycled in 40years

    I do wonder that. I tweeted him purely to get him to experience cycling in the city.

    mr spuckler wrote: »
    He said himself he hasn't cycled in that long. He said he asked for the camera as he assumed this should / would be recorded. Pretty sure micar said he already has one so that bit is covered.

    I would be worried about him wobbling all over the place and bring a danger to himself.

    I do have a camera.


  • #8907
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I sometimes wonder if the wobbly ones are safer than the rest of us. They're moving much more slowly and tend to be spotted a mile away and given a wide berth.


  • #8908
    Breezer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭Breezer


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    I'm surprised people admit to driving over 100mph or close to. I hope they said this in a tone that made you think they were ashamed about it?
    You don't have to look too far to find people going apoplectic at the notion of not being able to do 160km/h (100mph) on a motorway. The motors forum here is full of this (at least it was a few years ago when I frequented the place).

    In fairness, the general wisdom was that motorways were engineered for this speed, and should be used as such, whereas doing more than 50km/h in a 50 zone, or doing the 80km/h allowed on some rural roads was madness. A fair point, but this then led to a general conclusion that speed limits are best ignored and it's far better to drive in a "safe manner," which was left to each driver's own discretion.


  • #8909
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/boy-struck-by-truck-was-taking-shortcut-across-junction-coroner-s-court-told-1.4081911

    I'm trying to make sense of this story - was the driver mentioned (Derek O'Donnell) the driver of the truck that killed Elrich, or a witness?

    I know not all the relevant information makes it into the media, but it's bizarre that 75kph in a 50 zone coupled with the apparent driver's decision to beep the horn rather than hit the brakes did not lead to any sort of prosecution.


    edit: not directly cycling related


  • #8910
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    buffalo wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/boy-struck-by-truck-was-taking-shortcut-across-junction-coroner-s-court-told-1.4081911
    .
    ..

    edit: not directly cycling related
    .
    ..
    He was taking a shortcut across the junction instead of following the pedestrian route, which required him to cross 12 lanes of traffic. The pedestrian route has since been shortened, Dublin Coroner’s Court heard.

    “The pedestrian crossing at the time was quite convoluted,” Coroner Dr Myra Cullinane said.
    .
    ..
    Coroner Dr Myra Cullinane returned a verdict of accidental death.

    “The layout has now changed in order that it be safer for pedestrians and there be no temptation to take the shortest route as Elrich did that morning,” Dr Cullinane said.


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  • #8911
    Grassey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    40 MINUTE delays on M50 as cyclist frustrates drivers near Airport
    a crash has just been cleared from the M1/M50 interchange which is causing as much as up to 40 minutes of a delay.

    So he headline implies that a cyclist is frustrating drivers and causing a 40 minute delay, whereas in reality it seems they were frustrated by a cyclist on the hard shoulder while they were stuck in a 40 min tailback caused by a crash that had nothing to do with cyclists at all...


  • #8912
    HorrorScope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭HorrorScope


    Grassey wrote: »
    40 MINUTE delays on M50 as cyclist frustrates drivers near Airport



    So he headline implies that a cyclist is frustrating drivers and causing a 40 minute delay, whereas in reality it seems they were frustrated by a cyclist on the hard shoulder while they were stuck in a 40 min tailback caused by a crash that had nothing to do with cyclists at all...

    Cyclist on a motorway.....


  • #8913
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,172 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    HorrorScope wrote: »
    Cyclist on a motorway.....

    You can't cure stupid, but cycling on a motorway is one way to solve it :eek:


  • #8914
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    buffalo wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/boy-struck-by-truck-was-taking-shortcut-across-junction-coroner-s-court-told-1.4081911

    I'm trying to make sense of this story - was the driver mentioned (Derek O'Donnell) the driver of the truck that killed Elrich, or a witness?

    I know not all the relevant information makes it into the media, but it's bizarre that 75kph in a 50 zone coupled with the apparent driver's decision to beep the horn rather than hit the brakes did not lead to any sort of prosecution.


    edit: not directly cycling related

    The driver of the truck was Derek O'Donnell, the witness was Neil Cosgrave.


  • #8915
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,195 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Grassey wrote: »
    40 MINUTE delays on M50 as cyclist frustrates drivers near Airport



    So he headline implies that a cyclist is frustrating drivers and causing a 40 minute delay, whereas in reality it seems they were frustrated by a cyclist on the hard shoulder while they were stuck in a 40 min tailback caused by a crash that had nothing to do with cyclists at all...
    that's dublinlive.ie, a media outlet long on self promotion and short on anything of merit.


  • #8916
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,172 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    what_traffic wrote: »
    .
    ..
    He was taking a shortcut across the junction instead of following the pedestrian route, which required him to cross 12 lanes of traffic. The pedestrian route has since been shortened, Dublin Coroner’s Court heard.

    “The pedestrian crossing at the time was quite convoluted,” Coroner Dr Myra Cullinane said.
    .
    ..
    Coroner Dr Myra Cullinane returned a verdict of accidental death.

    “The layout has now changed in order that it be safer for pedestrians and there be no temptation to take the shortest route as Elrich did that morning,” Dr Cullinane said.

    So driver admits seeing him, admits he didn't slow, and pretty much done everything wrong but somehow his speed (50% over the limit) was not a factor, his not braking isn't really mentioned. How the f*CK could a Garda make that call. Christ on a bike, even the difference in braking distances would have been a significant factor. That poor boys parents, and not one person will learn a thing. That is actually upsetting.


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  • #8917
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,195 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    at 50km/h, there would have been a chance - slim enough - of survival. at 75km/h, i think that disappears.


  • #8918
    eeeee
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 6,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭eeeee


    Utter Consternation wrote: »
    From a quick perusal yesterday, the indo did seem to have multiple articles that were relatively cyclist friendly.

    They've been bought by a Belgian news company who are one of the biggest sponsors of Cyclocross in the world. I'm hoping for way more pedal positive pieces from this rag and less of the usual shyte...


  • #8919
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,195 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i did hear a comment in relation to that takeover that the previous owners had indulged a little in a race to the bottom, and it's easier to slide down than it is to crawl back up. but maybe the new owners are willing to try.


  • #8920
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    That is amazing if true.


  • #8921
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Interesting read I happened across

    https://www.fastcompany.com/90294948/what-happened-when-oslo-decided-to-make-its-downtown-basically-car-free

    A useful read for Mannix Flynn and others bleating about the effects of cyclists not being able to buy flat screen TVs and fridges.


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  • #8922
    what_traffic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    CramCycle wrote: »
    So driver admits seeing him, admits he didn't slow, and pretty much done everything wrong but somehow his speed (50% over the limit) was not a factor, his not braking isn't really mentioned. How the f*CK could a Garda make that call. Christ on a bike, even the difference in braking distances would have been a significant factor. That poor boys parents, and not one person will learn a thing. That is actually upsetting.

    Far too much weight is given in Coroners Court to non experts. Garda statement is plain daft + Coroner's language is weird


  • #8923
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    I've said it before, but Coroners court hearings for traffic accidents are a joke - they just read like a littany of justifications aimed at relieving the driver from being held accountable from any of the responsibility to which he/she is supposed to be accountable.

    As a result, they're a stupid box-ticking exercise where nothing is ever learned.


  • #8924
    Moflojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭Moflojo


    Another interesting titbit about the Coroner's Court is that (AFAIK) the investigating Garda is in charge of assembling the jury for the court hearing.


  • #8925
    hesker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭hesker


    Duckjob wrote: »
    Interesting read I happened across

    https://www.fastcompany.com/90294948/what-happened-when-oslo-decided-to-make-its-downtown-basically-car-free

    A useful read for Mannix Flynn and others bleating about the effects of cyclists not being able to buy flat screen TVs and fridges.

    Thanks for that. Refreshing to read. If only our media outlets would repost that it might get people to think differently. But that would not be consistent with the agenda of their funding sources I suppose


  • #8926
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,195 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    that ties with a story i heard from a relative being pressganged by a garda they knew, into being on a jury in the coroner's court.


  • #8927
    RobbieMD
    Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭RobbieMD


    Duckjob wrote: »
    I've said it before, but Coroners court hearings for traffic accidents are a joke - they just read like a littany of justifications aimed at relieving the driver from being held accountable from any of the responsibility to which he/she is supposed to be accountable.

    As a result, they're a stupid box-ticking exercise where nothing is ever learned.

    The coroner in any contentious inquest will always remind those present that the function of the inquest is not to apportion blame. Often this is what a family or loved one is seeking but the function of the court is to determine the how where when and who died, and what lessons can be learned. I know of several cases where juries made recommendations that were later put into place by local authorities.

    If someone is to be prosecuted, then a Garda inspector or higher rank seeks an adjournment of the inquest til the prosecution is finished or no prosecution is directed. It’s not for the coroner and jury to blame anyone.

    What we are missing in this article is that a Garda forensic collision investigator would’ve compiled a detailed 40 page+ report on the collision. This is presumably what the garda is basing his assertion of speed not being a factor. It’s not just something he arrived at without being able to back it up.


  • #8928
    RobbieMD
    Registered Users Posts: 449 ✭✭RobbieMD


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    that ties with a story i heard from a relative being pressganged by a garda they knew, into being on a jury in the coroner's court.

    Yeah it’s a bizarre scenario. Should be outsourced to the courts service but it’s something the coroners registrar instructs the presenting Garda to organise. Also that jury will sit for all the inquests being heard that day and not just the one like in a criminal trial


  • #8929
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    CramCycle wrote: »
    INdeed but it doesn't happen, in my partners workplace, several colleagues have been caught at north of 150kmph and they do brag about the points?!?

    Well, it's official about widespread casual speeding:

    car-news/were-ignoring-the-speed-limit-everywhere-we-drive-survey-


  • #8930
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,172 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    RobbieMD wrote: »
    What we are missing in this article is that a Garda forensic collision investigator would’ve compiled a detailed 40 page+ report on the collision. This is presumably what the garda is basing his assertion of speed not being a factor. It’s not just something he arrived at without being able to back it up.

    The Garda said speed was not a causative factor, but of what, the childs death or the accident, many will read that as not to blame but all that technically means is that it was not the cause of the accident. reading the little we have, poor judgement by the motorist was, it may not have stopped the accident but it could have changed or alleviated the outcome or peoples reactions to it in the heat of the moment.

    Would he have been more likely to brake if going slower, would the horn have given the child more time if he was going slower.

    We don't have the technical assessment, was he driving at 75kmph when he hit, as in was he faster than this before the collision, why was he not at 50kmph in the first place. I have no issue with him blasting the horn but maybe if he had braked and hit the horn, we would simply be looking at an insurance case rather than a coroners court.


  • #8931
    Eamonnator
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    Moflojo wrote: »
    Another interesting titbit about the Coroner's Court is that (AFAIK) the investigating Garda is in charge of assembling the jury for the court hearing.

    In my time, in a large provincial town, it was the Sgt i/c of the station. It would not be uncommon to have a retired Garda or two on the jury.

    I hate it, when Road Traffic Collisions are referred to as Accidents.


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  • #8932
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Well, it's official about widespread casual speeding:

    car-news/were-ignoring-the-speed-limit-everywhere-we-drive-survey-

    Don't even have to go that far:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057488458&page=11

    One poster claims to have travelled at 155mph (just shy of 250kph in new money) in Limerick, next poster gives him a clap on the back.


  • #8933
    Mickiemcfist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭Mickiemcfist


    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/roslyn-dee-i-didnt-have-a-clue-how-vulnerable-you-can-feel-on-a-bike-on-our-carinfested-roads-38691232.html

    Well I'll be damned, a pro cycling article in the independent.


  • #8934
    Fian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Fian


    been a few lately tbh. That one starts poorly and then switches tack.


  • #8935
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,195 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Following his recent tweet giving out about cyclists, Sen Craughwell has accepted an offer to cycle within the city to see firsthand what cyclists see every day

    It will be interesting to see what he has to say afterwards.
    https://twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1195125183884996609


  • #8936
    mollser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭mollser


    All drivers should be forced to watch the episode of 24 hours in a&e that was broadcast on more 4 on Monday night. Not sure exactly what happened but there was a head on collision between a bike and a car. The guy was mangled, surgeons did an unbelievable job but it did show just how vulnerable a cyclist is.

    Cheers


  • #8937
    flatface
    Registered Users Posts: 719 ✭✭✭flatface


    —


  • #8938
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    For those keeping an eye on the Sen Craughwell cycle...
    https://twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1195341014195691520


  • #8939
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,172 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    For those keeping an eye on the Sen Craughwell cycle...
    https://twitter.com/GCraughwell/status/1195341014195691520

    Fair play to him, love that his post is just the experience most of have every day in Dublin, not overly pessimistic or under playing anything, just that delivery vans are a double edged sword.


  • #8940
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Good picture of him with the bike too, dressed like any other man going about his business in town and no sign of a hi vis vest.

    I'd love to think he might inspire a few other men and women his age or any age for that matter to think about getting up on a bike again.


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  • #8941
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Good picture of him with the bike too, dressed like any other man going about his business in town and no sign of a hi vis vest.

    I think I saw something in the Twitter comments with someone giving out to him and him capitulating though :(


  • #8942
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Sure beats the usual reaction from our police force...
    Driver ranting at cyclist over bike lane is firmly corrected by cops


  • #8943
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,462 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    Sure beats the usual reaction from our police force...
    Driver ranting at cyclist over bike lane is firmly corrected by cops
    Which really shows that we're a generation behind in opinions here.



    There has never been a positive pro-cycling tweet from AGS. They've never challenged anti-cycling opinions, even threats against cyclists, unlike their UK peers. They make it bloody difficult to report issues (30 minute on-hold times on the TrafficWatch phone line yesterday), compared the UK, where CyclingMikey can upload a couple of videos each day and know that they will be addressed.


    We've a long way to go, and we haven't even started the journey.


  • #8944
    Paddigol
    Registered Users Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    W
    There has never been a positive pro-cycling tweet from AGS. They've never challenged anti-cycling opinions, even threats against cyclists, unlike their UK peers. They make it bloody difficult to report issues (30 minute on-hold times on the TrafficWatch phone line yesterday), compared the UK, where CyclingMikey can upload a couple of videos each day and know that they will be addressed.


    We've a long way to go, and we haven't even started the journey.

    Unsurprisingly, I've been stopped by them while in a pretty empty bus lane, albeit in early morning commute, and told to get out of it and use the (crappy cyclocross-esque) off-road cycle path.


  • #8945
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,195 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    and it's almost certain the bus lane you were in was also a cycle lane.


  • #8946
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    For those of you following Senator Gerard Craughwell's cycling adventure through Dublin city, he travelled along the quays today and predictably, other road users showed their colours (read the full twitter thread)...
    https://twitter.com/IBIKEDublin/status/1196429512755613698


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  • #8947
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,303 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    ^^^
    Craughwell's adventure also being reported on in Saturday's edition of The Times...
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b5de740e-07cd-11ea-a54d-e177f6bc2c05


  • #8948
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,172 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Did himself no favours with the 4 abreast comment straight after though. He is trying to appease everyone and ends up annoying everyone.


  • #8949
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,035 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Disappointing that he doesn't seem to have learned anything and is back to ranting about cyclists cycling 3 - 4 abreast on Twitter.


  • #8950
    hollypink
    Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭hollypink


    Stark wrote: »
    Disappointing that he doesn't seem to have learned anything and is back to ranting about cyclists cycling 3 - 4 abreast on Twitter.

    That's really disappointing, he seemed to be genuinely open to seeing things from a cyclists perspective but it seems once he got off the bike, it went right out of his head :(

    How can he think cyclists doing anything are worse than the worst driver out there - how could anyone who drives have so little comprehension of the extent of poor standard of driving on the roads (mobile phone use being particularly pernicious) and the injuries a car can cause?


  • #8951
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    At this stage I genuinely don’t think that people who say cyclists travel 4 abreast actually Knows what it means.

    Presumably they mean side by side - but we all know this would take up well in excess of 5m of road, even if the cyclists were travelling shoulder to shoulder.


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