Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

hetuzozaho · 11-12-2019 7:27pm

gozunda wrote: »

Furious smiley faces? Hows that work? Like are they happy and furious at the same time? :

Apologies.. the smiley face was me finding the furious tweets funny.

Tell me how · 11-12-2019 7:27pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

She is just a distraction. As long as she is grabbing the headlines the less anything will get done.

The tasks get rearranged. All the PR teams now combat the Greta girl as opposed to combatting climate change.

She is a waste of time.

As I said, as long as she grabs the headlines their is less time to expose climate change …. easy game for the bad guys.

Well, since she started her protest, the EU has declared a Climate Emergency and NZ has also done similar.

I'm not saying that that's it the hard work is done, but I think it is entirely plausible that they have been supported by if not outright swayed by the attention which Greta and the global marches have done to show where public sentiment is on the topic.

Micky 32 · 11-12-2019 7:28pm

gozunda wrote: »

Furious smiley faces? Hows that work? Like are they happy and furious at the same time?

Mood swings?

Tell me how · 11-12-2019 7:28pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yes i did, for good reason.

Have you 11,000 scientists signing a letter supporting your argument?

gozunda · 11-12-2019 7:34pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Well, since she started her protest, the EU has declared a Climate Emergency and NZ has also done similar...

There was also earthquake in the Mediterranean and a volcanic eruption in New Zealand - should we attribute those to St Greta as well? Wow she really is amazing eh!

IAMAMORON · 11-12-2019 7:36pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Well, since she started her protest, the EU has declared a Climate Emergency and NZ has also done similar.

I'm not saying that that's it the hard work is done, but I think it is entirely plausible that they have been supported by if not outright swayed by the attention which Greta and the global marches have done to show where public sentiment is on the topic.

As I said. The climate has now been saved because the 16 year old girl is in the news.

Yippidy do dah.

Ding dong the wicket witch is dead. Happy ever after everybody. The EU and New phucking Zealand are going to sort it all out , guess why ? Cause Greta the great got a few photos taken at a global " think tank " last week.

Phew , I taught for a second that nothing is being done, at all.

"Oh look there's another picture of that girl with the weird accent again, whats this her name is?"

Anyone else for a vacuum packed espresso served in a disk of plastic? On me this time.

Gods Gift · 11-12-2019 7:48pm

Why didn’t Greta go to China and put in a few days lecturing the government there on pollution.
They love their coal burning power plants.

Fr_Dougal · 11-12-2019 7:54pm

Gods Gift wrote: »

Why didn’t Greta go to China and put in a few days lecturing the government there on pollution.
They love their coal burning power plants.

It’s probably because they’re a great bunch of lads and Greta didn’t want to upset them.

Gods Gift · 11-12-2019 8:06pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s probably because they’re a great bunch of lads and Greta didn’t want to upset them.

Because she’d be told where to go, or put to work in a mine.

Better go to the soft touch countries.

Thelonious Monk · 11-12-2019 8:23pm

Gods Gift wrote: »

Because she’d be told where to go, or put to work in a mine.

Better go to the soft touch countries.

Pretty much. Shes doing what she can in the more civilised countries, so far.

AlekSmart · 11-12-2019 8:36pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Pretty much. Shes doing what she can in the more civilised countries, so far.

What,I wonder,will happen as Greta gets older,and hopefully matures ?

Will the World's Media remain true to her ethos,and continue to give her unrestricted coverage ?

Will the U.N. and other agencies be as quick to receive lectures from the 26/36/46 year old Woman as it has been to listen to the young girl ?

Climate is not the only thing capable of negatively changing.....;)

Galwayguy35 · 11-12-2019 8:37pm

So making faces at Trump and having temper tantrums about ruined dreams are the criteria for becoming Time magazines person of the year it seems.

Tell me how · 11-12-2019 8:41pm

gozunda wrote: »

There was also earthquake in the Mediterranean and a volcanic eruption in New Zealand - should we attribute those to St Greta as well? Wow she really is amazing eh!

I posted this yesterday as I thought it would be useful to some to help understand what can and cannot be done.

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change;
courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference.

Although, maybe, simply, the wisdom to differentiate is lacking. I mean, that's the only thing that makes sense reading your post.

Or maybe you discount all things religious in a similar manner to all things scientific.

gozunda · 11-12-2019 8:45pm

Tell me how wrote: »

I posted this yesterday as I thought it would be useful to some to help understand what can and cannot be done.Although, maybe, simply, the wisdom to differentiate is lacking. I mean, that's the only thing that makes sense reading your post.
Or maybe you discount all things religious in a similar manner to all things scientific.

Prayers? :pac:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer

Nah not into religous mumbo jumbo tbh. Most scientists aren't either funnily enough ...

I note a bit of the old ad hominem again there. But no worries - but if you would like to reflect on the question asked that would be great

suicide_circus · 11-12-2019 8:49pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So making faces at Trump and having temper tantrums about ruined dreams are the criteria for becoming Time magazines person of the year it seems.

Hey, if Hitler can get this accolade so can Greta.

Micky 32 · 11-12-2019 8:59pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Have you 11,000 scientists signing a letter supporting your argument?

What are you on about? Greta’s cult followers didn’t sign anything. Regardless of who is right or wrong people are entitled to have an opinion without being blocked or accused of being a troll. It’s a cult period.

Micky 32 · 11-12-2019 9:01pm

gozunda wrote: »

There was also earthquake in the Mediterranean and a volcanic eruption in New Zealand - should we attribute those to St Greta as well? Wow she really is amazing eh!

I’m actually quite surprised it wasn’t blamed on climate change.

Tell me how · 11-12-2019 9:01pm

gozunda wrote: »

Prayers? :pac:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer

Nah not into religous mumbo jumbo tbh. Most scientists aren't either funnily enough ...

I note a bit of the old ad hominem again there. But no worries - but if you would like to reflect on the question asked that would be great

If you think asking is Greta responsible for natural events, I'm going to disappoint you by giving it the non-answer it deserves.

No ad hominem by the way, just reacting to your specific comments and contribution accordingly. Ignoring that the publication of the quote was in a religious context, the content can still be considered in terms if analysis of how people view things. As was done here.

Micky 32 · 11-12-2019 9:06pm

gozunda wrote: »

Prayers? :pac:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity_Prayer

Nah not into religous mumbo jumbo tbh. Most scientists aren't either funnily enough ...

I note a bit of the old ad hominem again there. But no worries - but if you would like to reflect on the question asked that would be great

When i saw that post yesterday with that prayer crap i always think of the farting preacher on youtube for some reason.

gozunda · 11-12-2019 9:23pm

Tell me how wrote: »

If you think asking is Greta responsible for natural events, I'm going to disappoint you by giving it the non-answer it deserves.No ad hominem by the way, just reacting to your specific comments and contribution accordingly. Ignoring that the publication of the quote was in a religious context, the content can still be considered in terms if analysis of how people view things. As was done here.

It's called humour btw - as attributing any event in the EU or NZ to gretas influence is clearly hilarious .

As for this - "Or maybe you discount all things religious in a similar manner to all things scientific" . :pac: :pac: :pac:

Do tell exactly where any science is 'discounted'

But yeah in context of actual science - the prayer amounts to religious mumbo jumbo - but hey there we are

Again if you would like to reflect on the question asked that would be great ;)

Professor Moriarty · 11-12-2019 9:27pm

Congratulations Greta! Well deserved.

Tell me how · 11-12-2019 9:59pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

What are you on about? Greta’s cult followers didn’t sign anything. Regardless of who is right or wrong people are entitled to have an opinion without being blocked or accused of being a troll. It’s a cult period.

Nobody suggested you are a troll. Well, I certainly didn't anyway.

I said that you are misinformed on the climate issue if you don't think there is a problem or that the effort Greta is doing is not to be applauded.

Also, do you see any hypocrisy in getting bothered about being called a troll (which, again, I didn't do) and repeatedly calling people who support Greta as being cultists.

SEPT 23 1989 · 11-12-2019 10:13pm

The one trillion euro climate debt generated today will filter down to the poorest in society and make them even poorer

Wake up working class you are getting fcuked

Micky 32 · 11-12-2019 10:32pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Nobody suggested you are a troll. Well, I certainly didn't anyway.

I said that you are misinformed on the climate issue if you don't think there is a problem or that the effort Greta is doing is not to be applauded.

Also, do you see any hypocrisy in getting bothered about being called a troll (which, again, I didn't do) and repeatedly calling people who support Greta as being cultists.

Eh? I never said i was being called a troll lol. What made you think that?. Are you paying attention at all to the posts on here, or maybe you are trying to wind me up? Lol

I said i visited Twitter to see Greta’s tweet about her new found fame on Time. I was looking through the posts on twitter and it seems that anyone that posts an opinion other than agreeing with Greta the cult on there it’s like “ block them they are trolls”. It’s a total cult on there. I’ll clarify, i didn’t post anything therefore i wasn’t called a troll.

I’m not misinformed about climate change, even though i know we contribute to it i’m sceptical on how much we do. Furthermore it’s quite far down on my worry list to be honest.

Tea drinker · 11-12-2019 11:12pm

gozunda wrote: »

Furious smiley faces?
:pac:

Have you not met Greta ?

Tell me how · 11-12-2019 11:30pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The one trillion euro climate debt generated today will filter down to the poorest in society and make them even poorer

Wake up working class you are getting fcuked

How would you propose dealing with the debt?

Do you think Greta is advocating for making the poor even poorer?

Fr_Dougal · 11-12-2019 11:45pm

Tell me how wrote: »

How would you propose dealing with the debt?

Do you think Greta is advocating for making the poor even poorer?

It’s a new Green Debt, it didn’t exist before.

This is the point, Greta hasn’t a clue what she’s doing. A wealthy family of 4 will end up paying as much in increased carbon tax as a poor family of 4, for the most part.

Won’t effect her because she isn’t weaned yet, but it will effect adults.

Chris_Heilong · 12-12-2019 12:21am

This is almost as bad as Obama getting a Nobel peace prize when he first became president...for no reason at all except because he is Black, it is all politics and proping up your own political beliefs over any sense of integrity, the TIMES should be ashamed.

KyussB · 12-12-2019 12:24am

That €100 billion over 10 years is less than 0.6% percent of GDP per year - that's fuck all, people don't seem to realize how big the EU-wide economy is.

Professor Moriarty · 12-12-2019 12:24am

Chris_Heilong wrote: »

This is almost as bad as Obama getting a Nobel peace prize when he first became president...for no reason at all except because he is Black, it is all politics and proping up your own political beliefs over any sense of integrity, the TIMES should be ashamed.

Did The Times also make Greta and Obama their person of the year? What a happy coincidence!

Tell me how · 12-12-2019 12:33am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

It’s a new Green Debt, it didn’t exist before.

This is the point, Greta hasn’t a clue what she’s doing. A wealthy family of 4 will end up paying as much in increased carbon tax as a poor family of 4, for the most part.

Won’t effect her because she isn’t weaned yet, but it will effect adults.

You didn't answer the question.

How do you propose dealing with whatever debt may come from tackling current climate damaging practices.

gozunda · 12-12-2019 12:46am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Did The Times also make Greta and Obama their person of the year? What a happy coincidence!

Adolf Hitler and Ayatollah Khomeini as well! As you say happy coincidence!

Fr_Dougal · 12-12-2019 12:57am

Tell me how wrote: »

You didn't answer the question.

How do you propose dealing with whatever debt may come from tackling current climate damaging practices.

Don’t take on the debt in the first place.

hetuzozaho · 12-12-2019 1:27am

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

So making faces at Trump and having temper tantrums about ruined dreams are the criteria for becoming Time magazines person of the year it seems.

You'll have to do more than that I'd imagine Galwayguy.

12-12-2019 2:21am

"influencer" is such a nebulous concept isnt it.

greta responsible for everything good that ever happened since she first decided, or had it suggested to her, that she should sit outside and see if any documentarians passed her.

mad stuff.

mad.

seriously. i think that if you believe any of it, you're bloody mad.

Tell me how · 12-12-2019 3:32am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"influencer" is such a nebulous concept isnt it.

greta responsible for everything good that ever happened since she first decided, or had it suggested to her, that she should sit outside and see if any documentarians passed her.

mad stuff.

mad.

seriously. i think that if you believe any of it, you're bloody mad.

Well, if you believe she's responsible for everything good that has happened, you're definitely mad.

But, if you think she has had no impact or value then, you're something else. Maybe madder, or most probably just ignorant, or bitter. Not sure which. Definitely one I'd say, maybe a bit of all of them.

Tony EH · 12-12-2019 8:13am

Is this kid still getting under the skin of "grown adults"?

:pac:

Wanderer78 · 12-12-2019 8:16am

Tony EH wrote:

Is this kid still getting under the skin of "grown adults"?

Tis weird out, isn't it! A lot of sensitive adults around

KyussB · 12-12-2019 8:26am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Don’t take on the debt in the first place.

You wouldn't even put out a pittiful 0.6% GDP of government bonds a year - presently around ~0% interest EU wide - to work on resolving climate change? Seriously?

Wanderer78 · 12-12-2019 8:31am

Fr_Dougal wrote:

Donâ€™t take on the debt in the first place.

Tis funny, we seem to have no problems accumulating private and corporate debts largely to fund rising asset prices, but taking on debt to tackle environmental issues is bad! The world is a weird place!

Manic Moran · 12-12-2019 8:49am

Gods Gift wrote: »

Why didn’t Greta go to China and put in a few days lecturing the government there on pollution.
They love their coal burning power plants.

Speaking of Chine, I’ve seen a good argument that Person of the Year should go to the Hong Kong democracy protestors. That said, I understand the PotY goes to “influential”, not “great or brave”

ancapailldorcha · 12-12-2019 9:58am

I don't think I'll ever understanding why an autistic teenage girl triggers so many people here.

I'm glad she got some recognition for her efforts.

Wanderer78 · 12-12-2019 10:13am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't think I'll ever understanding why an autistic teenage girl triggers so many people here.

I'm glad she got some recognition for her efforts.

does it show the fragility of humanity?

silverharp · 12-12-2019 10:26am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't think I'll ever understanding why an autistic teenage girl triggers so many people here.

I'm glad she got some recognition for her efforts.

I think its more adults using a kid to push a cause.

Fr_Dougal · 12-12-2019 10:27am

KyussB wrote: »

You wouldn't even put out a pittiful 0.6% GDP of government bonds a year - presently around ~0% interest EU wide - to work on resolving climate change? Seriously?

No, not without having all the facts first.

The challenge, the commission said, was the need to find €260 billion in additional annual investment from the state and private sectors, the equivalent of 1.2 per cent of EU GDP in 2018.

Where is this additional annual €260 billion going to come from?
How will the private sector be involved? What will they get in return for their investment? How will the state raise this money?

Ultimately it will be the citizens of the EU who fund that €230 billion annually, what will that look like?

If you can answer all of those questions satisfactorily I’m all in, if you can’t then no thanks.

From what I can see it’s all carbon taxes, or carbon border taxes.

KyussB · 12-12-2019 10:39am

The deciding factor on whether or not we have all the facts, is determined by climate scientists, not by politicians or people who keep on nudging the goalposts to infinity as more and more evidence/facts come out.

There is ready access to ~0% interest money - the EU can easily afford 10x that per year, more even.

Wanderer78 · 12-12-2019 10:41am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

No, not without having all the facts first.

Where is this additional annual €260 billion going to come from?
How will the private sector be involved? What will they get in return for their investment? How will the state raise this money?

Ultimately it will be the citizens of the EU who fund that €230 billion annually, what will that look like?

If you can answer all of those questions satisfactorily I’m all in, if you can’t then no thanks.

From what I can see it’s all carbon taxes, or carbon border taxes.

theres nothing stopping eu institutions such as the eib in creating the funds needed to start such initiatives

Fr_Dougal · 12-12-2019 10:46am

KyussB wrote: »

The deciding factor on whether or not we have all the facts, is determined by climate scientists, not by politicians or people who keep on nudging the goalposts to infinity as more and more evidence/facts come out.

There is ready access to ~0% interest money - the EU can easily afford 10x that per year, more even.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

theres nothing stopping eu institutions such as the eib in creating the funds needed to start such initiatives

You haven’t answered my questions regarding the private sector. It’s rare that we see the private sector carry out acts of altruism.

As a taster, let’s bring back water charges; that would be a move in the right direction. But see how that goes down with the public.

gozunda · 12-12-2019 10:47am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I don't think I'll ever understanding why an autistic teenage girl triggers so many people here.
I'm glad she got some recognition for her efforts.

What's being autistic got to do with it? Oh right - that's what absolutely everyone is commenting about!

I suppose like any public figure - theres going to be some commentary. Some seem not to like that. Odd no?

Though I'd say anyone having a temper tantrum in public whilst blaming everyone else for a crappy childhood etc is going to get the odd comment for sure. As for the rubbish about civilisation ending and other frankly odd utterences - well absolutely that needs some recognition! I'm not sure what award that would be though?

KyussB · 12-12-2019 10:50am

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

You haven’t answered my questions regarding the private sector. It’s rare that we see the private sector carry out acts of altruism.

As a taster, let’s bring back water charges; that would be a move in the right direction. But see how that goes down with the public.

I don't agree with the structure of the European Green Deal - it's nothing like the GND, it's pitiful - my question was a general one, about allocating money to work on resolving climate change.

It doesn't seem to matter what framework would be used to resolve climate change - you seem to oppose any level of government spending on it.

Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

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