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Vetch · 03-06-2018 2:37pm

Nursery

Ghekko · 03-06-2018 2:37pm

paumurp wrote: »

Anyone able to work out the occupation of Margaret's husband.

She's the widow of a ?? man..seems to begin with H

Could it be Nursery man - as in person into plants as opposed to minding kids.

paumurp · 03-06-2018 2:39pm

Thanks - I thought maybe the first letter was too tall for an N

Griffinx · 03-06-2018 3:38pm

paumurp wrote: »

Anyone able to work out the occupation of Margaret's husband.

She's the widow of a ?? man..seems to begin with H

Perhaps this

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nurseryman

VirginiaB · 03-06-2018 10:29pm

Definitely Nurseryman. As in gardens as mentioned by others.

nikonuser · 06-06-2018 8:07am

Would anyone care to have a go at reading the notation in the last column on the right for a Marriage of Michael Deegan and Elizabeth Walsh on 30/07/1875. I am giving the whole certificate.
Thanks
J

pinkypinky · 06-06-2018 9:29am

That is a challenge.

Could the first word be christening?

BowWow · 06-06-2018 9:55am

Currently in the service & ..........

mickmackey1 · 06-06-2018 11:55am

I think the first word is Critchley, same name as Maggie Critchley the witness.

nikonuser · 06-06-2018 11:57am

Apologies for the quality of the image, I downloaded it directly from the Catholic Parishes site. If “christening’ or ‘in the service of’ are correct, why would they be there as comments? J

Vetch · 06-06-2018 12:00pm

'Critchley is the surname of witness' and then the priest's initials.

pedroeibar1 · 06-06-2018 12:06pm

Vetch wrote: »

'Critchley is the surname of witness' and then the priest's initials.

I agree - that column is for remarks on the spouses – e.g. was either previously married, a convert, etc. In this case the priest is using it to correct his misspelling of the surname of the witness Critchley.

nikonuser · 06-06-2018 12:12pm

Now that it has been pointed out it makes sense.
Many thanks again, always a helping hand available. Cheers, J

Diaell · 07-06-2018 1:08pm

Slightly different with this one.
Its the back of a photo trying to figure out what is written on it, may help to figure out who the person is.
It may be Irish or someone has suggested French.
Any help at all would be greatly received.

Hermy · 07-06-2018 1:32pm

It looks like Irish script to me.

From Wikipedia

Griffinx · 07-06-2018 1:35pm

Diaell wrote: »

Slightly different with this one.
Its the back of a photo trying to figure out what is written on it, may help to figure out who the person is.
It may be Irish or someone has suggested French.
Any help at all would be greatly received.

I think the 1st line in modern Irish reads Le grá agus meas mór. In English With love and appreciation

spurious · 07-06-2018 1:39pm

Seamus something (?)
Sagart (Priest)

Diaell · 07-06-2018 1:54pm

Thanks for the help.
Makes sense as the photo on the front does look like a priest.
It may have been a family friend or a distant relation.
The photos belonged to my great-great Grandmother so sadly there is no one who know who any of the photos are of.
This was one of the few photos with text on the reverse so was hoping it might reveal something about the person.

spurious · 07-06-2018 2:03pm

I think it's James Stanley.
There was a James Stanley in the 1901 census in Cavendish Square, Falls Ward, Belfast, listed as a 'Visitor priest'. Born Co. Louth, spoke Irish and English.

He shows up in Offaly in 1911.

**edit. The stamp on the card looks like a business based in Newbridge, Co. Kildare.

Diaell · 07-06-2018 2:19pm

spurious wrote: »

I think it's James Stanley.
There was a James Stanley in the 1901 census in Cavendish Square, Falls Ward, Belfast, listed as a 'Visitor priest'. Born Co. Louth, spoke Irish and English.

He shows up in Offaly in 1911.

**edit. The stamp on the card looks like a business based in Newbridge, Co. Kildare.

That's some detective work. You've got the wrong James Stanley but you have the right name, quick google and i think I've found it.
http://defunts.smainternational.info/en/necrologe/1367-le-pere-james-stanley

He was born in Blacktrench Kildare same as my great-great grand Mother. He was born around the same time as my Great Grand Father so its likely they grew up together, possible as neighbors.

Thanks for all the help, didnt think I'd ever figure that one out.

pinkypinky · 07-06-2018 2:28pm

Great work everyone!

spurious · 07-06-2018 2:30pm

What an interesting life 'that' James had.

Diaell · 07-06-2018 2:34pm

I'm now sure that this is the correct James. I've compared the picture I have to that of the 1919 all Ireland winning Kildare team and the two look similar.
Thanks for the great help solving this.
It's nice to have solved what on my own would have remained a mystery.
Fantastic knowledge and ability in this thread

montgo · 14-06-2018 1:25am

Hi,
I am looking for the name of the 2nd witness for the baptism of Ed Hogan on 1 Aug 1823 (top of rhs page). I'm considering Purcell, Russell but any other possibilities?
Thanks

murfi59 · 14-06-2018 10:30am

Hi
Looked on Rootsireland and they have it transcribed as Russell.
if you look across to birth on 20th May to Honora Crowe the name Glasheen has an unneeded 'letter' in the middle same as russell.

montgo · 14-06-2018 10:38am

Yes thanks, it is indeed Russell.

hjr · 20-06-2018 4:34pm

Can anyone make out the address here....Its the middle of the pic

https://ibb.co/dnpHLJ

The name is Mary Scanlon, and I think the first word is then Falmouth, but can't make out the rest of the address...

Thanks!

New Home · 20-06-2018 4:40pm

Falmouth Ho(use?), Causwell Street, Boston, perhaps?

BowWow · 20-06-2018 4:59pm

Causeway Street, Boston?

pedroeibar1 · 20-06-2018 9:57pm

Definitely ending in C....'well' so it's probably Caswell St. in Taunton, about 40 miles from Boston. Check a census for that address and it should refine the search.

VirginiaB · 21-06-2018 12:26am

There was a Falmouth Hotel on Causeway (not Causwell as in image) St in Boston. In NYC directories, Ho means hotel so maybe Boston too. Found a ref to a fire at this hotel on Google in the Boston Globe, Nov 18, 1891, p 4. The street is still there but no hotel of that name. 2nd pg of Google results.

hjr · 21-06-2018 10:32am

VirginiaB wrote: »

There was a Falmouth Hotel on Causeway (not Causwell as in image) St in Boston. In NYC directories, Ho means hotel so maybe Boston too. Found a ref to a fire at this hotel on Google in the Boston Globe, Nov 18, 1891, p 4. The street is still there but no hotel of that name. 2nd pg of Google results.

Thanks for that...my searching continues! The lady in question went over to her Uncle Thomas Higgins, who I'm trying to trace...given he probably emigrated around 1870-1880, verifying the records is very difficult...

pedroeibar1 · 21-06-2018 11:20pm

1880 United States Federal Census

Name Thomas Higgins
Age 40
Birth Date Abt 1840
Birthplace Ireland
Home in 1880 Taunton, Bristol, Massachusetts, USA
Street Caswell St
Dwelling Number 279
Race White
Gender Male
Relation to Head of House Self
Marital Status Married
Spouse's Name Mary Higgins
Father's Birthplace Ireland
Mother's Birthplace Ireland
Occupation Farmer
Household Members
Name Age
Thomas Higgins
Mary Higgins
Elizabeth Higgins
Mary Higgins
Abby Higgins
Hannah Higgins
Patrick Higgins

pedroeibar1 · 21-06-2018 11:58pm

Findagrave HERE
Wife's maiden name was Cotter
Name: Mary Higgins
Maiden Name: Cotter
Birth Date: 1847
Birth Place: Ireland
Death Date: 5 Mar 1927
Death Place: Brockton, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Cemetery: Saint James Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Taunton, Bristol County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Spouse: Thomas C. Higgins
Children: Hannah Higgins
Abbie J Higgins
Patrick Henry Higgins
Mary Higgins
Katie Agnes Higgins
John Edward Higgins

hjr · 22-06-2018 9:19am

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

Findagrave HERE
Wife's maiden name was Cotter
Name: Mary Higgins
Maiden Name: Cotter
Birth Date: 1847
Birth Place: Ireland
Death Date: 5 Mar 1927
Death Place: Brockton, Plymouth County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Cemetery: Saint James Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Taunton, Bristol County, Massachusetts, United States of America
Spouse: Thomas C. Higgins
Children: Hannah Higgins
Abbie J Higgins
Patrick Henry Higgins
Mary Higgins
Katie Agnes Higgins
John Edward Higgins

Thanks so much for that pedroeibar1 ! Another reason this forum is a goldmine is people like you...

Ah, just noticed that the record indicates his mothers name was Elizabeth. I checked ancestry and found the marriage record which says the same thing. The Thomas I'm looking for had a mother called Hanoria! Damn...so close!! But much thanks for the searching!

pedroeibar1 · 22-06-2018 12:04pm

hjr wrote: »

........... The Thomas I'm looking for had a mother called Hanoria! Damn...so close!! But much thanks for the searching!

There are too many coincidences to dismiss a possible link without further research. You need to rough out a tree of the Caswell Street family, look at both State and Federal Censuses (your person might be staying with them), and also try to put the other names on the handwritten note in context / links to the Taunton family. If you can find the previous generation of family in Ireland naming patterns might also give clues.
@Mods - perhaps move to separate thread?

pinkypinky · 22-06-2018 2:08pm

OP: if you want to continue this discussion, please start a new thread and I'll move the various posts.

Please keep this thread for just handwriting discussion.

hjr · 22-06-2018 4:33pm

Thanks for the help pedroeibar1. I may start a seperate thread on this to pick your brains again! I have Thomas' parents and Catherine already on the tree, just to trace him.

Griffinx · 23-06-2018 10:26am

Would anyone hazard a guess at Miss Burke's first name, father Patrick and mother Catherine Brennan

burke.jpg

Vetch · 23-06-2018 6:26pm

Griffinx wrote: »

Would anyone hazard a guess at Miss Burke's first name..father Patrick and mother Catherine Brennan

Attachment not found..

Annam = Latin
Anne = English

Griffinx · 23-06-2018 7:25pm

Vetch wrote: »

Annam = Latin
Anne = English

Thanks...just as I was hoping... my great grandmother

pinkypinky · 25-06-2018 9:45pm

Looking for some help with John Kane's cause of death please.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05789/4637414.pdf

I've got "committed suicide by shooting himself with a revolver at North Bull, Dollymount" and spot "insanity" on the next line but fresh eyes would be appreciated.

New Home · 25-06-2018 10:00pm

I think it's North Wall, Dollymount

"during a ____ of temporary insanity and death was due to shock of hemorrhage consegued".

I can't read the rest, I'll try again later.

It's so sad to read the rest of the causes of death - bronchitis, influenza, diarrhoea... so many of them, of all ages...

tabbey · 25-06-2018 10:04pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Looking for some help with John Kane's cause of death please.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05789/4637414.pdf

I've got "committed suicide by shooting himself with a revolver at North Bull, Dollymount" and spot "insanity" on the next line but fresh eyes would be appreciated.

"During a fit of temporary insanity" is the standard comment in these cases.

"And death was due to shock and haemorrhage". Shock is a severe dropin blood pressure, which is to be expected in haemorrhage from a gunshot wound.

tabbey · 25-06-2018 10:42pm

New Home wrote: »

I think it's North Wall, Dollymount
.

No, it is definitely North Bull.
North Wall is miles from Dollymount.

New Home · 25-06-2018 10:43pm

Fair enough.

pedroeibar1 · 26-06-2018 10:19am

tabbey wrote: »

...... Shock is a severe dropin blood pressure, which is to be expected in haemorrhage from a gunshot wound.

I don’t wish to be pedantic about this gory topic, but shock relates more to trauma than blood-loss and is a major contributory factor in gunshot death. A bullet entry wound is tiny, but it creates a shockwave that causes a cavity which rapidly expands and then collapses as the bullet passes through. Think of the ‘ripple effect’ when a stone is dropped into water. This rips nerves, blood vessels, muscles and turns the surrounding flesh to jelly. The exit wound, if the bullet hits bone on the way through, will be the size of a plate.
Don’t be fooled by the shooting scenes you see on TV/film, they are totally inaccurate depictions of what actually happens.

The last few words are "consequent upon the wound inflicted".

Jellybaby1 · 26-06-2018 3:56pm

I'd agree with the above thus: “Committed suicide by shooting himself with a revolver at Nth Bull Dollymount during a fit of temporary insanity and death was due to shock and haemorrhage consequent upon the wound inflicted”

JDERIC2017 · 27-06-2018 3:53pm

afternoon

I am trying to track down a church to see if they have further records on this marriage in midleton, can you make out church name and district, and any idea what parish would have these records.

Thanks.

mickmackey1 · 27-06-2018 3:57pm

It's the chapel of Dungourney in district of Walshtown-more.

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