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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,479 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Well Ray Darcy isn't on anymore so it was a little help filling that massive void he left 🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    Sounds like you know lots of Aj fan boys that got caught up in the Eddie and Aj hype and were disappointed it wasn’t a knock out.

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Just on a potential AJ-Fury fight soon.

    let’s not write it off as a fight/spectacle just yet, based off last night.

    Fury is a completely different fighter and completely different physical specimen.

    AJ will, or at least should be approaching a game plan completely different than last night.

    He must know that it has to be committed strength and pressure and punching.

    whether he can try this, and do this remains unknown. But from a physical visual look, a 6 feet 6 255 lbs AJ v a 6 feet 9 275 lbs Fury could be a hell of a spectacle, and possibly a great fight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Yep I see some sense in what youre saying.

    Fury isn’t a banana skin for Joshua so it’s not a dont lose type of fight. He can afford to chase rather than be chased. I dont think there’s 3 inches between them but we’ll see. The build up would be fantastic and it really does whet the appetite. Joshua knows there’s not point in trying to box to win but that doesn’t mean he can’t use his jab and try to get a foothold in the fight before throwing his combos. Fury gave Whyte the runaround and then KO’d him but Whyte was able to make him feel uncomfortable early on. I think Joshua is in a better position to clinch and hold, try to get the uppercut in and disguise his punches better than Whyte with those embarrassing overhand rights. Fury played around with Chisora too and was rusty and ragged with Wilder 3. If Joshua approaches it the right way then Fury always gives you a chance. It’s a 3-4/10 chance but that’s worth a go.

    If Joshua however fights still and slow then Fury will put on a clinic. HE gets stopped in that scenario. All mentality and ambition. Based on last night Charles Martin would give Joshua a decent fight right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,947 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    You are fantasising, Fury would maul him and knock him out early.

    Joyce is the man who deserves a shot at one of the champs. He's the WBO interim champ so should get a shot at Usyk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Joshua is no position to do anything against an elite fighter. As Joshua said after losing twice to Usyk, I'm not elite. That's a fact. He ain't doing **** to Fury. There's no way he can out box him. He ain't holding Fury. He ain't out gritting Fury. He will pick up a cheque for a humiliation. He will more than likely get on his bike like he did against Ruiz the second time - a Ruiz that had ballooned in weight and was in no way in top shape and Joshua got on his bike.

    Fury ain't dodging Usyk, he is trying to wring as much money money as possible out of it. It's the most amazing heavyweight boxing fight out there BUT that's only for people actually interested in boxing. Casuals don't care. They don't understand. They'll follow Joshua because they've bought into the hype machine. That's why I think this Joshua fight might happen now. Way more money in it. Eddie would be stupid to let Joshua near the likes of a hungry fighter like Joyce. The juice is not worth the squeeze there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    The Joshua who fought last night no. The second Usyk fight was a competitive one in fairness even if Usyk won convincingly. I dont think it’s that big a humiliation if Joshua turns up game. He’s well fit to make Fury work hard for it. It would at least be harder work than Fury’s last 2 fights.

    Not really where youre going with this casuals don’t understand talk I dont really like that term and tend to switch off when any particular warrior uses it to strengthen an argument.

    There’s no point in Joyce and Joshua fighting unless its for a belt, not worth the squeeze for either. Joyce is a bit in the who needs him bracket right now but to qualify the idea that he’s just that good his best win was probably the Parker one. Parker is worse than ordinary and has been well softened up since the Joshua fight. He’s been extremely lucky to get on the right side of a number of decisions in his career; Hughie, Ruiz for the belt and didn’t he just about get over the line with an Australian fighter? I can’t think of the name now. Dubois fight was a good performance but he was very green too and hard to measure his ability. So I’m not sure I’d say Joyce is much more than a good, rugged campaigner who takes a good shot and throws plenty too. I expect him to tire out and beat Zhang that’s a well made match and he will look decent doing it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Spot on, squinn about the casuals talk. No idea what the poster means. As if AJ doesn’t belong at all in pro boxing talks and analysis, and that it’s Fury or nobody else. And anyone discussing AJ and what he may bring is somehow a casual. Nonsense.

    also, the debating who has fought better opposition . Splitting hairs about Fury boxing a better version of Wlad. He was near 40 for chrissake. Over the hill. And in 2017 he was pretty much the same physical specimen, albeit over-the-hill.

    Simple. The damn lot of them need to get a poxy move on and start boxing EACH other. And that includes AJ in the mix. Shower a posers and messers..

    I already outlined it: of the big four (Fury-AJ-Wilder-Usyk) we have had 2 out of 6 matches. A joke. Let’s throw in Joe Joyce and we have 2 out of 10 matches I think is the figure. Pathetic. And all 5 in their 30s nearing end of their careers.

    Usyk and Joyce get leniency here!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    parker v junior fa - fmd that was a terrible fight

    The internet isn’t for everyone



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    It’s the lowest attempt at making a point. Reminds me of Mark Lawernson suggesting that Jose Mourinho was losing the dressing room because he never played elite level soccer… he’s a casual too I suppose! If someone wants to say AJ is all hype etc that’s ok but he has fought some decent opposition and won and shared 24 rounds with Usyk, it’s not all hype and I dont like the guy.

    Spot on. Any champion can be caught cold. I think there’s an argument that Joshua fought the better version. Who knows what way the rematch may have gone.

    Remaining points yep. There’s no excuse for those fights not happening this year. No point in them all tuning up endlessly.

    Junior Fa is right! Well that’s the guy Joyce beat. Parker is very ordinary and isn’t the most powerful. Also, Joyce got hit quite a bit in that fight he can be got at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    aj is not all hype, yes there was a massive campaign to promote him using the sky platform and they did a fantastic job.

    this casual fan bollo€ks is a way for some people to be condescending to others by insinuating their boxing knowledge is far superior, those people always remind me of spencer fearon, the man that claims to know it all but he knows as much as google tells him lol- fearon said if AJ doesnt spark out franklin within 6 rounds he should retire and he is meant to be friends with the man.

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    AJ saying he’ll be back in 12 weeks. It has to be Whyte, and PPV. Hopefully end year then it’s either Wilder or Joyce or greedy belly!

    although, maybe they need to run the Parker fight again!!!!🤢



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Bound to be yea. I’m happy enough with that fight. For him I don’t think he needs to just rush into Fury, Wilder or Joyce. A big HW and then big fight for a belt November or so. If he takes risks and fights like a killer then I see that to be his route to success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    AJ will never fight Wilder ,

    Not a hope in hell a lad who is afraid of taking a shot fights Wilder it will NEVER happen



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    That fight is high risk and low reward so I agree but he might take the fury one to cash out but that depends of fury will bother

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    At the moment it's very hard to think that AJ is not long past his best. I don't think he's been the same since the first Ruiz fight. He looked unstoppable before that, but he's a bit reluctant to commit now, and he's not going to outbox either of the current champions.

    I think he might be well advised to retire soon, he's had some great nights, made millions and been a world champion. There's a lot to be said hanging them up now given that he must be very secure financially.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,758 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    Does anyone know how many fights AJ is contractually obliged to fight in? His behaviour/demeanor after the fight on Saturday struck me as someone who is finding he has to fight on when his heart isn't really in it anymore.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Yea there;s not anger or spite in him at the moment. Someone needs to light a fire under him and then he might have a chance of rediscovering his old form.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I honestly think (and I did allude to it) that he played it a bit safe to ensure of a win. He’s past his best, same as Wilder, and likely Usyk and Fury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    How do say Wilder,Fury, Usyk are past there best , what evidence do you have of that ?

    Wilder first round knockout last time out, Fury whopped Whyte & Usyk took AJ apart ?

    AJ looks petrified of getting hit, the other 3 looked great in there last outings



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    The killer instinct looks like its gone alight,

    There was noting fluid or aggrieves about him the weekend & that against probably the easiest fight he will get now, Unless he gets Whyte



  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Butson


    According to Frank Warren, ideal time for the Saudi's to put on a fight is November / December.

    I think you'll get AJ vs Whyte in the summer, Usyk will fight Dubois, and then Fury will fight Usyk or AJ in Saudi in the winter for mega money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Wilder is absolutely past his best. He’s 37 now or so. And a first rd KO in his last fight, so what?! Fury took serious miles off his clock

    I’d argue Fury is also past his best, and Usyk.

    Still very capable, but these lads are all nearing end their careers, and mid 30s now. Surely you can see this?

    I am not saying that they are washed up, just past their best!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    But what leads you to belive this other than age ?

    Wilder in the 3rd Fury fight looked like the best Wilder we have seen to date, then his next fight he got a 1st round KO ,

    Fury has looked his best under Sugar Hill & at 34 is no where near past it ,

    Usyk literally only get used to HW his just hitting his groove,

    They are HW in there 30's shouldn't be a issue yet ,Lewis was brilliant in his mid 30's as was Holyfield ,its 20 years on form then no reason why these guys can't be better ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Not just age. I think all are heading South. That bit slower and that bit less explosive. They all have fair few miles, and some tough miles on the clock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Ye but where did you notice this ? In there last outings ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I am not saying they are shot to bits. Just not at peak. Declining. Yes, from watching them through the years I believe all are not at their best.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Not so sure about this past their best talk. Sure, at 35 there are things you can’t do that you did at 25 but you learn your craft and know your body much better. You learn how to take or avoid a shot, how to pace and plan and get your own shots off. Conserve energy and be patient. So while they all likely need more minding they, I think, are all at their most effective. MAybe a question mark over Wilder as it’s hard to see if Fury has effected him mentally for another fight but Fury and Usyk I think are about at their best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,004 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    Wilder looked far far better in the first fury fight.

    Jaysus he was puffing and blowing after 5rds in the 3rd fight. The only thing keeping him upright was heart and determination.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    That was down to Fury in the first fight , he was a mess it should have been a gimme,

    He had Fury down twice in the 3rd fight both times not many men would have got up



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    he was not used to being punched by a 6ft 9 19st gypsy

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    WBA have ordered usyk to fight dubois and set 30 days to do a deal or it will go to purse bids

    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,004 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    3rds does not a good performance make. And that's all wilder had in the 3rd fight imo.

    Granted he looked middlen in the first fight because fury didn't back him up but it was still a better competitive performance by a long way than the third.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Fury has only started looking top level since he went with sugarhill, best yet to come from him if he needs it to beat the rest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    fury is on holiday according to frank warren

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    AJ talking about December now for his next bout..🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    The internet isn’t for everyone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Joke. Better be either Wilder or Fury for that layoff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    That’s too long, he will likely regress even more if he rests for that long

    surely Aj and his camp have to fancy the Whyte fight for a win and a chance to clear any ring rust

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Far too long if he waits until December he might as well call it his farewell bout. He should be screaming at guys for July, surely he will fight again in the summer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    According to AJ, “it’s all part of the bigger picture!” 🥴



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    That’s look over there and then do a runner talk that. What do you think is actually going on in his head? For me, he’s just spent now. I was never a fan but I think it’s an awful pity of him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭OmegaGene


    I think this is a mistake, even if it’s fury or wilder he would need a fight before hand to be ready and from his message it doesn’t sound like it’s an injury but who knows if it’s even AJ posting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭reclose


    I thought he said 3 months last week? I’m nearly sure that’s what I read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    He did. He said back again in 12 weeks when interviewed after the Franklin fight

    Post edited by walshb on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,479 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    He's some spoofer that Joshua!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Makes no sense at all surely he could take on some knock over even if the other top 3 / belt holders are busy with real fights and then he could go again in December.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,677 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    There may be some niggling injury that needs rest/surgery. Just waiting around 8 months to fight again seems silly, although these lads regularly fight irregularly!!

    look at Usyk. Going on 8 months now since he last fought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Got to be an injury with Joshua sadly.

    Joyce v Zhang this weekend looks a cracker.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,910 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Usyk running scared sure haha!

    Yea that’ll be a great scrap Id think Joyce will have far too much output though Zhang reminds me of Ustinov. Very limited.



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