Electricity supplier

the_amazing_raisin · 26-08-2020 10:03am

Lumen wrote: »

It is quite unusual to be able to produce something at small scale with better cost efficiency than at large scale. Hence "economies of scale".

Well that only holds up if you're expecting to make a profit. I can't imagine anyone in Ireland is expecting to profit from a feed in tariff. The best you can hope for is to reduce your annual bill down to as close to 0 as possible and reduce the payback period for your PV panels

26-08-2020 10:11am

Guaranteed you won't profit in Ireland, only companies will profit from taxpayer subsidies!

+ you're only allowed a measly 5.5 Kw to the grid on single phase unless that's changed ?

unkel · 26-08-2020 12:01pm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I can't imagine anyone in Ireland is expecting to profit from a feed in tariff.

That depends how you define profit. If you can do a DIY install and you buy well, you could have PV on your roof for as little as €0.50 per watt, or €500 for a kwp. This kwp will generate 1000kWh per year.

Worst case scenario, you use nothing of this yourself, and all goes to the grid. If we get a €0.05 FIT, that would pay you €50 per year, or 10% ROI

Best case scenario, you use 50% of this yourself and the rest goes to the grid. ROI 22%

That's a hell of a lot more than the 1% or less most people are getting on money sitting in their savings account. In my book that's a profit. For your purse and for the environment. Win-win!

3d4life · 26-08-2020 12:43pm

Not exactly on topic but still might be of interest to some of you

https://www.eenewspower.com/news/swedish-solar-roof-maker-buys-renewable-energy-software-firm?news_id=130930

the_amazing_raisin · 26-08-2020 1:29pm

3d4life wrote: »

Not exactly on topic but still might be of interest to some of you

https://www.eenewspower.com/news/swedish-solar-roof-maker-buys-renewable-energy-software-firm?news_id=130930

Looks like you could bypass the ESB entirely using a system like this, you wouldn't need an export meter since the software would act as a monitor of exported power.

Of course you'd need a marketplace to sell the electricity to, and someone looking to buy it. Will providers start paying for what they're getting for free already?

26-08-2020 2:30pm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Looks like you could bypass the ESB entirely using a system like this, you wouldn't need an export meter since the software would act as a monitor of exported power.

Of course you'd need a marketplace to sell the electricity to, and someone looking to buy it. Will providers start paying for what they're getting for free already?

Still uses the ESB Network though so not sure whether or not they could block something like this.

the_amazing_raisin · 26-08-2020 3:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Still uses the ESB Network though so not sure whether or not they could block something like this.

True, but they don't seem to mind people dumping to the grid for free (within limits) and as far as they'd be concerned you're doing the same.

As far as I can tell the way this marketplace thingy works is that someone asks you to dump excess power to the grid and you agree a rate. You send the power to the grid and your PV system tells the marketplace how much you exported and you get paid for what you sent. The ESB doesn't get involved at all

26-08-2020 5:11pm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

True, but they don't seem to mind people dumping to the grid for free (within limits) and as far as they'd be concerned you're doing the same.

As far as I can tell the way this marketplace thingy works is that someone asks you to dump excess power to the grid and you agree a rate. You send the power to the grid and your PV system tells the marketplace how much you exported and you get paid for what you sent. The ESB doesn't get involved at all

Yeah it's exactly what we need but unless the regulator approves it I can't see the ESB allowing it but you never know, if only we had a FIT I'd have solar pv myself but it's just not worth it now, too much trying to manage energy diversions to this and that, it's really just a waste but with a FIT I could export and buy back when needed, but 5.5 Kw to the grid is too low, I would install more if I could to export more so I could use that to charge the car + run heat pump.

I'm half thinking of installing a wind turbine myself connected to a grid tie inverter and connect it to a normal socket. I know I'm not on the best site with trees around not that high up but we get wind and any free energy is good, it would go towards running the house + charging the car. A 2 Kw wind turbine would do the job, it would probably be the max I'd send through a 3 pin plug anyway.

the_amazing_raisin · 26-08-2020 5:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah it's exactly what we need but unless the regulator approves it I can't see the ESB allowing it but you never know, if only we had a FIT I'd have solar pv myself but it's just not worth it now, too much trying to manage energy diversions to this and that, it's really just a waste but with a FIT I could export and buy back when needed, but 5.5 Kw to the grid is too low, I would install more if I could to export more so I could use that to charge the car + run heat pump.

The 5.5kW thing annoys me too, I get that there should be limits on microgeneration, since you're getting a fixed price regardless of the market rate, but most houses can import up to 12kVA (or more) so I don't see why you can't export the same amount.

I like what they've done in the UK, they've removed the FIT and are instead forcing the electricity providers to pay out a certain rate to microgenerators. No doubt most of them will just pay the minimum, but a few forward thinking ones might offer a higher rate to entice customers over to them. There's also no burden on the taxpayer, which is always a plus to me

26-08-2020 5:34pm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

The 5.5kW thing annoys me too, I get that there should be limits on microgeneration, since you're getting a fixed price regardless of the market rate, but most houses can import up to 12kVA (or more) so I don't see why you can't export the same amount.

I like what they've done in the UK, they've removed the FIT and are instead forcing the electricity providers to pay out a certain rate to microgenerators. No doubt most of them will just pay the minimum, but a few forward thinking ones might offer a higher rate to entice customers over to them. There's also no burden on the taxpayer, which is always a plus to me

I'd like if the taxpayer subsidised the taxpayer and not subsidise big companies with nothing gained for the taxpayer and worse again now we have to subsidise solar PV companies which could drive up the PSO levy and it's only when the Government announced subsidies for Solar PV did these companies rush in applications for solar PV farms and I got to say, I've seen some big solar PV farms in Germany and I must say I'm not a big fan of the look of such blackness in fields.

Every roof top in Ireland should have solar PV but no, Ireland INC will look after the big companies with our money just doesn't seem right.

liamog · 26-08-2020 6:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not a big fan of the look of such blackness in fields.

Those fields are ruining the views of the forest that should be in that location.

richie123 · 26-08-2020 7:43pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd like if the taxpayer subsidised the taxpayer and not subsidise big companies with nothing gained for the taxpayer and worse again now we have to subsidise solar PV companies which could drive up the PSO levy and it's only when the Government announced subsidies for Solar PV did these companies rush in applications for solar PV farms and I got to say, I've seen some big solar PV farms in Germany and I must say I'm not a big fan of the look of such blackness in fields.

Every roof top in Ireland should have solar PV but no, Ireland INC will look after the big companies with our money just doesn't seem right.

Why does the taxpayer have to get involved at all ?why can't people stand on their own two feet wether it's a householder or a big company.

27-08-2020 10:20am

richie123 wrote: »

Why does the taxpayer have to get involved at all ?why can't people stand on their own two feet wether it's a householder or a big company.

You're correct of course, I'd be happy with FIT not paid for by the taxpayer.

But, I would rather see some of our tax go to the taxpayer rather than companies.

Too much of our hard earned is going to support big companies and they pay next to nothing.

Superfoods · 31-08-2020 4:44pm

OK so up for renewal. With Energia and they have offered a 29% discount and 50 euro cash back

Rate is
17.12 day
8.21 night
Which seems ok.

The standing charge is €227.03 which seems high. Is this good? bad? or indifferent?

the_amazing_raisin · 31-08-2020 4:51pm

Superfoods wrote: »

OK so up for renewal. With Energia and they have offered a 29% discount and 50 euro cash back

Rate is
17.12 day
8.21 night
Which seems ok.

The standing charge is €227.03 which seems high. Is this good? bad? or indifferent?

Check bonkers.ie or switcher.ie to get a clear picture

Pretty sure energia are doing a higher discount, 41% I think

31-08-2020 4:56pm

Superfoods wrote: »

OK so up for renewal. With Energia and they have offered a 29% discount and 50 euro cash back

Rate is
17.12 day
8.21 night
Which seems ok.

The standing charge is €227.03 which seems high. Is this good? bad? or indifferent?

Current rate for new customers.

14.22c/kWh
6.83c/kWh

They want to rip you off just like me so I cancelled and set it up in my Partners name.

If you cancel, you can only cancel on the minute they think you are walking out the door so don't call up the day before as far as they're concerned you're moving and they don't need to know any more information as you're out of contract. Have the latest day/night meter reading.

Then get your Wife to setup in her name if it was in yours. Don't use the same bank account and I'd say you'll be fine.

Superfoods · 31-08-2020 9:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Current rate for new customers.

14.22c/kWh
6.83c/kWh

They want to rip you off just like me so I cancelled and set it up in my Partners name.

If you cancel, you can only cancel on the minute they think you are walking out the door so don't call up the day before as far as they're concerned you're moving and they don't need to know any more information as you're out of contract. Have the latest day/night meter reading.

Then get your Wife to setup in her name if it was in yours. Don't use the same bank account and I'd say you'll be fine.

None of the other suppliers are offering close to what Energia are as a new customer......

THis is best I could get

17.00 cent per kWh (day rate)
9.90 cent per kWh (night rate)
€84.29 standing charge

31-08-2020 9:38pm

Superfoods wrote: »

None of the other suppliers are offering close to what Energia are as a new customer......

THis is best I could get

17.00 cent per kWh (day rate)
9.90 cent per kWh (night rate)
€84.29 standing charge

Just cancel, setup under new name and preferably new bank account just in case.

Better off having the saved money spent on something else or stay in your account than to give it to Energia especially since they don't look after their existing customers.

slave1 · 02-09-2020 8:57am

I just went from Electric Ireland to Energia last week, Energia were way ahead of the rest of them.
In one years time I will do the same exercise, I change every year without fail as the competition are always cheaper when I shop around and I could not be bothered phoning up the current crowd haggling.

unkel · 02-09-2020 4:33pm

+1

Energia are by far the cheapest, can't wait to switch over to them in two weeks from now. Prices incl. VAT

14.22 cent per kWh (day rate)
6.82 cent per kWh (night rate)

alfa_aficionado · 02-09-2020 5:38pm

unkel wrote: »

+1

Energia are by far the cheapest, can't wait to switch over to them in two weeks from now. Prices incl. VAT

14.22 cent per kWh (day rate)
6.82 cent per kWh (night rate)

Do they not charge higher rates above a certain amount of usage though? I thought above 2000kWh per billing cycle (every 2 months) they charge a higher rate - I know we were better off with SSE Aitricity last time we switched because of this, although we do have Geothermal etc so use ~60% of our electricity during off peak hours.

KCross · 02-09-2020 5:50pm

alfa_aficionado wrote: »

Do they not charge higher rates above a certain amount of usage though? I thought above 2000kWh per billing cycle (every 2 months) they charge a higher rate - I know we were better off with SSE Aitricity last time we switched because of this, although we do have Geothermal etc so use ~60% of our electricity during off peak hours.

2000 units on night rate over a 2 month billing cycle causes the rate for those extra units above 2000 to go up by a cent or so.

It’s not much tbh unless you go over it by a large margin.

unkel · 02-09-2020 7:37pm

The average house in Ireland uses about 3.5MWh per year. Not many people would go over 12MWh on night rate alone! Would typically be families with at least one, probably several of the following:

- 1 or even 2 EVs
- heatpump for water and home heating (no gas, oil or solid fuel)
- very large house
- no renewables

the_amazing_raisin · 03-09-2020 10:21am

unkel wrote: »

The average house in Ireland uses about 3.5MWh per year. Not many people would go over 12MWh on night rate alone! Would typically be families with at least one, probably several of the following:

- 1 or even 2 EVs
- heatpump for water and home heating (no gas, oil or solid fuel)
- very large house
- no renewables

I think if my wife got an EV we'd be in this category and even then I worked out our annual usage would be about 10MWh.

Currently we're at about 8MWh per year with 1 EV driving 12,500km, heat pump and 4 bed house. Second EV with similar mileage would add about 2MWh

the_amazing_raisin · 03-09-2020 10:25am

slave1 wrote: »

I just went from Electric Ireland to Energia last week, Energia were way ahead of the rest of them.
In one years time I will do the same exercise, I change every year without fail as the competition are always cheaper when I shop around and I could not be bothered phoning up the current crowd haggling.

Absolutely, this is the best way to do it. You can also put in the switch request (which is free after your contract ends) and then wait for your current supplier to get back to you. Normally they'll try to give you a decent discount to tempt you to stay.

This is what happened with Energia this year, I requested to switch to SEE, they called and asked what rate I was getting, and then they undercut SEE and backdated the new discount to cover any usage after the old one ended. All took about 5 mins, no haggling involved

Superfoods · 03-09-2020 11:25am

GlowPower with GlowMore just announced a new rate

14.05 cent (day rate)
8.09 cent (night rate)
207.14 standing

03-09-2020 11:43am

I read that Electric Ireland will be raising their prices soon, the rest will follow soon after no doubt.

Superfoods · 03-09-2020 11:51am

Deleted User wrote: »

I read that Electric Ireland will be raising their prices soon, the rest will follow soon after no doubt.

Of course they will

the_amazing_raisin · 03-09-2020 12:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I read that Electric Ireland will be raising their prices soon, the rest will follow soon after no doubt.

According to the press release they "try to offer our customers a very competitive rate by keeping our standard rate as low as possible"

Competitive to what? Building your own power plant?

According the EI the increase is down to increase in network charges, which is a bit flimsy considering gas and renewable prices are lower than ever :mad:

KCross · 03-09-2020 12:27pm

Superfoods wrote: »

GlowPower with GlowMore just announced a new rate

14.05 cent (day rate)
8.09 cent (night rate)
207.14 standing

Watch their T&C's... at least one of their plans is a 2yr plan with a reduced % discount on year 2 but you will be locked in for the 2yrs so be careful.

I dont see the rates you have above on their website though. Where did you see them?

For their everyday plan I see 16.13/8.32

Superfoods · 03-09-2020 12:29pm

KCross wrote: »

Watch their T&C's... at least one of their plans is a 2yr plan with a reduced % discount on year 2 but you will be locked in for the 2yrs so be careful.

I dont see the rates you have above on their website though. Where did you see them?

For their everyday plan I see 16.13/8.32

1 year via bonkers

KCross · 03-09-2020 12:44pm

I also see BEEnergy (part of Flogas now) offering a good rate...

Day 14.47
Night 7.01

Karl_1974 · 03-09-2020 10:40pm

I have an account with Glowpower since April and until the moment no bill!! I have send them 3 messages through the online account, one of which I supplied them readings and nothing!! Are they so incompetent not to answer my messages?

04-09-2020 11:14am

We got the first Energia bill and it shows 21.24 cent day and 10.19 cent night.

This is their rates advertised when you sign up.

They then have a discount of 72.20 discount applied as CR.

14.47c/kWh
6.94c/kWh

They have given an estimate, the day is around the same but the night is 100 units less than actual.

Day 384 costing 81.56 @ 10.19 Cent
Night 928 costing 94.56 @ 10.19 cent

Total bill 161.54

The p1cks didn't put the actual kwh cost we're paying and put in a credit number to make it much harder to calculate which I can't work out now in work.

Gerard93 · 04-09-2020 11:42am

Deleted User wrote: »

We got the first Energia bill and it shows 21.24 cent day and 10.19 cent night.

This is their rates advertised when you sign up.

They then have a discount of 72.20 discount applied as CR.

14.47c/kWh
6.94c/kWh

They have given an estimate, the day is around the same but the night is 100 units less than actual.

Day 384 costing 81.56 @ 10.19 Cent
Night 928 costing 94.56 @ 10.19 cent

Total bill 161.54

The p1cks didn't put the actual kwh cost we're paying and put in a credit number to make it much harder to calculate which I can't work out now in work.

If you divide the units being billed into the Nett Figs after discounts you should get price per unit .

the_amazing_raisin · 04-09-2020 11:48am

Deleted User wrote: »

We got the first Energia bill and it shows 21.24 cent day and 10.19 cent night.

This is their rates advertised when you sign up.

They then have a discount of 72.20 discount applied as CR.

14.47c/kWh
6.94c/kWh

They have given an estimate, the day is around the same but the night is 100 units less than actual.

Day 384 costing 81.56 @ 10.19 Cent
Night 928 costing 94.56 @ 10.19 cent

Total bill 161.54

The p1cks didn't put the actual kwh cost we're paying and put in a credit number to make it much harder to calculate which I can't work out now in work.

Had the same issue with Bord Gais, I think it's a billing trick. If they display your 'real' unit rate then when they remove the discount it's a rate increase, which they have to clear with the CRU. But if it just shows a discount, then they can remove or change that anytime they want

the_amazing_raisin · 10-09-2020 10:02am

Looks like Pinergy are bringing out an agile tariff plan, and they'll let you sign up to an EV only plan.

Not sure how this works in reality, would you need another meter installed because I could see that being a pain

https://www.bonkers.ie/blog/gas-electricity/pinergy-partners-with-ohme-to-launch-innovative-new-ev-charging-technology/

According to Pinergy you can use any charger

https://pinergy.ie/home-electricity/electric-car-charging/

Nedved85 · 10-09-2020 10:08am

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Looks like Pinergy are bringing out an agile tariff plan, and they'll let you sign up to an EV only plan.

Not sure how this works in reality, would you need another meter installed because I could see that being a pain

https://www.bonkers.ie/blog/gas-electricity/pinergy-partners-with-ohme-to-launch-innovative-new-ev-charging-technology/

According to Pinergy you can use any charger

https://pinergy.ie/home-electricity/electric-car-charging/

The rates are as follows :

"The discounted unit rate applies from 2am to 5am, as stated above, at a cost of 5c (exc. VAT), while the standard unit rate is 18.38c (exc. VAT) at all other times of the day and night."

18.38 excluding Vat looks very expensive!

KCross · 10-09-2020 10:17am

Nedved85 wrote: »

The rates are as follows :

"The discounted unit rate applies from 2am to 5am, as stated above, at a cost of 5c (exc. VAT), while the standard unit rate is 18.38c (exc. VAT) at all other times of the day and night."

18.38 excluding Vat looks very expensive!

5.7c inc vat for night rate is good but its only a gimmick really as its only marginally better than other night rates (7c from other providers) and only for the few hours where you charge your car... you are paying a much higher price for all the other times so they giveth and they taketh!

slave1 · 10-09-2020 10:30am

They are 100% taking, only even worth considering if you have 3P 22 charge point and even then you'd have to do the math

the_amazing_raisin · 10-09-2020 11:15am

The rates certainly seem a bit bizarre, couldn't even find the night rate on their website. Certainly the prepayment charge would just about wipe out most of any savings you stand to make

From what I can gather, they give different discounts on their standard rates during the day, they mention a 40% discount on the rate between 6pm & 10pm. Presumably the discount is 0 during the day and probably higher at night.

Without any information on what the discounts are and how often they change, it's impossible to tell if you'd save any money

Redgirl82 · 10-09-2020 11:20am

So I was energia customer, called them yesterday and they offered me 28% discount I think and a 50 euro fee. Told them I wanted the rate for new users and was told it wasnt available. They are offering to new customers to get them to move and will reduce people standing charge....but in the offer they made to me they didnt reduce the standing charge

When I asked how come that was I got silence. He asked who I was moving to and it was GlowPower. He told me they are not using 100% green energy and that Energia do. I very much doubt that.

Anyway cancelled my account, I wasn't been rude or anything to the poor chap, he said loads of people are cancelling and it is crazy they cant offer the discounted rate to existing.

NIMAN · 10-09-2020 11:22am

I am with Bord Gais at present and thinking of looking into moving, are Energia the best for new customers at present?

KCross · 10-09-2020 11:29am

My contract expires tomorrow.... latest new customer rates (inc vat) I've got for rural nightsaver are....

Energia
Day rate: 14.22 per kWh New Customer rate
Night rate: 6.83 per kWh
Standing charge: €288.87 per annum

BE Energy
Day 14.47 inc 28% disc.
Night 7.01
Standing charge - €300

Airtricity
Day 15.42 inc 30% disc. Via bonkers only
Night 7.64
Standing charge - €282.88

GlowPower
Day 14.14
Night 8.09
Standing charge - €249

Im with Energia right now and I did the same dance I do every year... "Give me the new customer discount or Im gone"... they couldnt even match Airtricity's rate.... BE Energy it is for tomorrow then!

Redgirl82 · 10-09-2020 11:29am

NIMAN wrote: »

I am with Bord Gais at present and thinking of looking into moving, are Energia the best for new customers at present?

Bonkers.ie

I went with Glowpower because the day rate is cheaper to Energia

The night rate is higher but with winter coming in I expect the next few months will make it cheaper to have a smaller day rate

darrenheaphy · 12-09-2020 7:08am

I’m with Airticity at the moment, because the Meter hasn’t been read in ages the bill is 954! ðŸ˜– definitely need to switch

Redgirl82 · 12-09-2020 7:17am

darrenheaphy wrote: »

I’m with Airticity at the moment, because the Meter hasn’t been read in ages the bill is 954! ðŸ˜– definitely need to switch

You do know with estimated bill it’s up to you to submit, if they are way out they will hit you with a massive bill....

You won’t be allowed to move unless you get a verified reading is my understanding

KCross · 12-09-2020 7:18am

darrenheaphy wrote: »

I’m with Airticity at the moment, because the Meter hasn’t been read in ages the bill is 954! ðŸ˜– definitely need to switch

The providers (airtricity, Energia etc) don’t read your meter... ESB do. So don’t switch just because of that. Switch to get a better rate.

You know you can submit your own meter readings?

Redgirl82 · 12-09-2020 7:34am

KCross wrote: »

The providers (airtricity, Energia etc) don’t read your meter... ESB do. So don’t switch just because of that. Switch to get a better rate.

You know you can submit your own meter readings?

When I was with Energia they sent email even if ESB read the meter, moved to Glowpower and they mention you need to submit your readings

darrenheaphy · 12-09-2020 9:56am

Yeah, totally understand it’s my own bad, just annoying. Bit of a pointless post on my part but wanted to rant ðŸ˜€

Electricity supplier

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