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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64437
Even if you'd like everyone to drop their diesel and go EV, I feel it's better to go about it the right way. Inform people of the good as well as the bad points and limitations of owning an EV
There's a story going around that a family member tells everyone. Someone he knows was talked into buying a Tesla Model S. Spent big bucks, hated it (for unspecified reasons) and sold it back to the seller a few days later for a loss of €30k. You can see people shiver when they hear this story
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Even if you'd like everyone to drop their diesel and go EV, I feel it's better to go about it the right way. Inform people of the good as well as the bad points and limitations of owning an EV
There's a story going around that a family member tells everyone. Someone he knows was talked into buying a Tesla Model S. Spent big bucks, hated it (for unspecified reasons) and sold it back to the seller a few days later for a loss of €30k. You can see people shiver when they hear this story
I wonder if this is a story many families tell. I wouldn't believe it, but yes, it is very important that people understand what they are getting into when considering buying an EV.0 -
Even if you'd like everyone to drop their diesel and go EV, I feel it's better to go about it the right way. Inform people of the good as well as the bad points and limitations of owning an EV
There's a story going around that a family member tells everyone. Someone he knows was talked into buying a Tesla Model S. Spent big bucks, hated it (for unspecified reasons) and sold it back to the seller a few days later for a loss of €30k. You can see people shiver when they hear this story
Do you think that's true?
And of it is it sounds like someone can afford it and I feel little sympathy tbh0 -
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64437
Twizy - are these any good?
€3,600 asking for a '12 with battery included. Will cost just about zero to own. Battery and car still under 5 year warranty?
Edit - ad says NCT '18, but not according to the NCT website. Are these exempt? What way can they charge and what range have they?
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Twizy - are these any good?
€3,600 asking for a '12 with battery included. Will cost just about zero to own. Battery and car still under 5 year warranty?
Edit - ad says NCT '18, but not according to the NCT website. Are these exempt? What way can they charge and what range have they?
Linky
First NCT in 2016, so 2018 sounds about right.
Unless the seller plans to put it through and is waiting on a date.0 -
Twizy - are these any good?
€3,600 asking for a '12 with battery included. Will cost just about zero to own. Battery and car still under 5 year warranty?
Edit - ad says NCT '18, but not according to the NCT website. Are these exempt? What way can they charge and what range have they?
Linky
I dont know anything about them but I would say that I wouldnt drive it on the open road. A crash in that and its surely all over? Its a motorbike with a cover!
I see some management companies in business parks etc use them for zipping around which would be fine... but on the open road... no thanks.0 -
Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64437
First NCT in 2014, again in 2016, so 2018 sounds about right.
First NCT in 2016 and that's what it says on the NCT website. So probably never tested. But do they need a test or are they classified as a quadricycle and excempt?
@Kcross - dunno, probably safer than some cars I have owned over the years. And much safer than a bicycle or motorbike
Twizy would not be for me, but it looks like it might be a very cheap means of city area commuting for someone.My ads on adverts.ie
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Twizy - are these any good?
€3,600 asking for a '12 with battery included. Will cost just about zero to own. Battery and car still under 5 year warranty?
Edit - ad says NCT '18, but not according to the NCT website. Are these exempt? What way can they charge and what range have they?
Linky
These are not fun to drive literally feels slow.
Super exposed, enjoyable for about an hour .
So no I'd say not. Drove one about 2 years ago brand new.0 -
Twizy - are these any good?
I think they're fun. Unassisted direct steering and you can double the torque on them in software. I was looking at one as a runabout but at the time the insurance costs were mad... much better now... recent quotes have been around €300 which is €1000 less than when I checked last year.€3,600 asking for a '12 with battery included. Will cost just about zero to own. Battery and car still under 5 year warranty?
I've spoken to the seller on a few occasions. He's leaving the country... the software mods I mentioned are done on this vehicle and the battery is included because it was an imported unit originally bought for a corporate fleet. He had two or three I believe.Edit - ad says NCT '18, but not according to the NCT website. Are these exempt? What way can they charge and what range have they?
Captive 13A plug on the front, people use adapters and janky waterproofing with bags and tape for Type 2.I dont know anything about them but I would say that I wouldnt drive it on the open road. A crash in that and its surely all over? Its a motorbike with a cover!
They are quite safe the cabin is well protected and they have seatbelts (two for the driver) and an airbag. They actually have a decent NCAP score compared with similar vehicles.€2800 50 a month battery charge, lovely car to drive , just around town really, kids to and from school, our c4 desiel 1.6 is lovely but not a town car, range is 62km as of not but surely the battery is balls after 5 year , it's says range is 150km on Wikipedia, is this lies or new battery? Hopefully get it replaced under terms of battery lease. Cheers for the info
It's 185km NEDC (european lab test, not real world), in the real world a Fluence that old would be lucky to get 90km. The Gen 1 EVs... well... they didn't quite know how to make batteries for EVs that lasted in the real world yet (even Nissan took until the Mark1.5 Leaf (2013+) to get it figured out). The battery lease isn't worth the paper it's printed on, plenty of owners have failed to get Renault to replace severely degraded Fluence packs.
Wait a couple of years and get an EV with a decent battery or you can pick up a Zoe cheap as chips... the battery in those are good.0 -
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64437
Deleted User wrote: »And yet the Zoe is a very popular EV on the continent.
No surprise there really. In the last few years the only budget EVs out there were the Leaf and the Zoe. And let's just say not everybody feels the Leaf is a nice looking car
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No surprise there really. In the last few years the only budget EVs out there were the Leaf and the Zoe. And let's just say not everybody feels the Leaf is a nice looking car
No arguments there but from the inside its fine!My other half won't get in it
Mine wouldnt either. But once she drove it I have to wrestle the keys off her now.
The Leaf would have been SO MUCH more popular if they didnt have those ridiculous front lights. The back of the car isnt that bad really.0 -
No arguments there but from the inside its fine!
Mine wouldnt either. But once she drove it I have to wrestle the keys off her now.
The Leaf would have been SO MUCH more popular if they didnt have those ridiculous front lights. The back of the car isnt that bad really.
Yeah I think the back is cool, especially at night with the led strip lights.
The head light protrusion takes away from the front.
They should have just let Nismo fit all the cars with their bumpers 0 -
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Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!Join Date:Posts: 64437
The Leaf would have been SO MUCH more popular if they didnt have those ridiculous front lights.
+1
As herself said: we're not getting that thing. It looks like a big f'ng Micra
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If you could buy "normal" after market lights and retrofit them I'd say most Leaf owners would buy them! Lights that are almost flush with the bonnet.
Not sure what it would do to aerodynamics... might make it better and pass out the Ioniq! 0 -
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