Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

He’s one of the best posters on this forum imo, just because he doesn’t allow himself to be brainwashed by the likes of Teagasc and Glanbia like many are and can actually think for himself, isn’t bitching and moaning as you put it.

Yep agree ….

See the derogation isn't going to be renewed until march at the earliest. I guess they will extend 2021 derogation. Either that or big disruption.

I'd second that everyone has a view wether it comes with advisories or not

Can we have a do over day?

Terrible to see two valued long term members come to this disagreement. Timmaay you must have gotten the leg over very recently with that rush of blood to the head. All our reputations on here are what they are. Mostly nobody cares. And maybe that's everyones fault. But it gives an honesty to the place too. Anyway, I loves ya both.

Have the cows in since the start of the month. Just started giving Himalayan rock salt three days ago after seeing cows drinking dirty water on the ground. Already the cows intake of silage has reduced since the HRS has gone in. Reducing by two bales of silage in two days. Must be that cows eat till they get a certain amount of nutrients?

Wow, so Jay nearly gets killed by a bloody bull here, I leave what I think is a harmless but harsh comment towards him that I do not want to see him as another death statistic, yep I pass a comment about his reputation that others obviously don't agree with me on, and you's all pass over the point that I was actually trying to hammer home (jay get bloody rid of any fr bulls sooner moving forwards). But anyways good luck.

Difference of opinion is what makes this forum great ….something to say say it …no point been a bunch of arse lickers all agreeing with one another and saying Tegasc ,the journal ,Brennan etc are all great …pushed the boundaries with a few posters over the years but never any malice bitterness against anyone ….just move on life too short

Anyway, my herd is 60% second calvers and 40% first calvers. I am going to dry off at about 440kg/Ms feeding roughly 1 tonne of meal. I would hope to get to 500kg/Ms next year. Am I being optimistic?

What's your plan going to be, head in the sand until late January then try and buy some if it's even available, then re your comment on financing it, what's the plan going to be their hope the co-op/merchant ups your credit limit, our try and get a bank loan/overdraft extended.....

Fertiliser and it’s cost and availability should be on every farmers mind now ….silence is deafening as to a plan from our advisory body …clover not going to be help unless in and established …mss there sitting on the fence unsure what to advise ….slurry and less ….it’ll be a help but you can only put so much slurry out …do you go source fertiliser and do you prioritise silage ground to guarntee silage for next winter ….interesting to see the advice in jan re early urea ….Maize will be a real alternative crop to give a real good compliment to grass …bulky crop and good energy ,be a sea change for them to advise that

have small stock of urea in hand here ,working on a plan for liquid n …buying bales to minimise amount of own silage I have to use .will be able to access more urea and compound for winter wheat but no commitment on price

Post away ….every opinion counts just because someone gets the hump dosnt mean it’s wrong ……or right!!

Sure what’s anyone’s plan Jay

you’d be in the very small minority to have fert in the yard, me jumping up and down about it and worrying isn’t going to make the supply magically appear

we were finishing of a job in the yard that over ran due to material price increase hence no funds at hand to buy any

for us yes I’ll try source some in spring and try reduce the amount we spread, we spread 37 kg/ ha less this year over last year, and we’re stocked higher than last year

we have clover established on half the mp and red clover stitched into silage ground so should in theory be able to reduce N on those areas

plan for the spring is to get good thick slurry on silage ground the minute weather is there to travel it at about 3 k gall per acre

then I’m going to turn every down pipe available into slatted tanks and keep the slurry nice and loose to spread behind the cows, 2k gallon an acre should supply 10 units and then get out with 10/15 units chemical N with it

I know a guy who did this this year and he halved his chemical N usage

Not a hope in hell I’d sell my future milking stock to buy fert

id want to be in an awful bad way for money or have a genuine surplus to do so

ill be fine don’t worry about me

In much of the world it is heading to a 1000 euros a tonne and viewed as a good purchase this side of spring.

Urea to be specific.

1200 a tonne is a possibility.

With milk probably going past 40c base next year I can't see stock getting cheaper. And if fertilizer can be sourced albeit expensive that sort of milk price will more than compensate. If fertilizer can't be got then thats another story...

Neighbour tried to buy old stock can last week of local glanbia co-op offered 625 euro a ton immediate payment and they wouldn't sell, they have locked away any stock they have and aren't selling so much as a bag at the minute...

Heard from a pretty reliable source if they divided out what fertilizer they had in stock two weeks ago it would work out at half a ton per active co-op member

Could there be a reference year on cow numbers? I have beet ordered. Problem here is some of the land is too hilly to spread.

I’ll get rid of 3 titters or anything that’s not performing but definitely not heifers if it comes to that

It’s not slurry I’m on about using it’s well diluted slurry with dairy washings and rain water, a local man I know did just that this year after seeing Kevin o Hanlon at it and has reduced his fert usage in half

we're fine for peak milk

peak milk won’t be an issue next year

Next year will be 20% 1st calvers, 30% 2nd and 50% 3rd. Only 1 cow replaced due to death with a twisted gut. Everything else went in calf.

Calving will be 89% from Jan 15th to March 10th. The rest are all done by April 4th on due dates.

Critical to put in place a realistic plan to bank enough winter feed for 2022. That plan will include, culling, conserving this year's stocks, and securing the fertiliser for not only the silage ground, but also enough of your grazing ground, so that you don't have to resort to grazing your silage next May....We've had high prices before, but we've never had the a set of circumstances like we have at present.

There's enough fertiliser in the country for the Jan /Feb period importers holding off placing March orders.

Some form of commitment will have to be given to importers to go and secure March product...and they won't secure it for less than the quoted current prices. Coops may be able to give that commitment, as they can recover any loss, but a farmer buying through non coop merchants is either going to have to pay up front, have some kind of cast iron contractual agreement, or run credit for one third of your normal tonnage allowance.

Merchants are going to double their margin (for security) and this is on a trebled product price.

Secure it...piece by piece where you can beg borrow and steal..

They know that it won't fall before spring.

Fertilizer always rises as the season goes on.

The one time in our life that global supply has been massively curtailed in an unprecedented way is not the year it'll drop in spring..

The main thing to keep in mind is that tough as it will be here, the major global milk providers globally where production costs are brutal will be savage.

All I’ll say is I’m ruleing nothing out to do as alps said secure winter 2022 fodder and avoid having to graze silage ground in April /may …..off loading some heifer weanlings or in calf heifers and pulling the hand break for a year ….nothing wrong with it

on the Glanbia peak supply ….the factory isn’t built ,stock are on ground ,herds maturing that issue will be very real