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Arlene Foster, single-handedly and unintentionally paving the way forward for a UI

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    I think these people know a good thing when they see, and look how keen they are to join the party :

    "Migrants pile into dinghies to cross Channel to Dover as 'panic setting in' before Brexit deadline hits"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/16/migrants-pile-dinghies-cross-channel-dover-panic-sets-brexit/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    nope fake news. very few on either side are happy with the deal. uk media especially talk radio stations over in the uk will show you this.
    absolutely it was the best deal that was ever going to be got in the circumstances, but by no means is it better or comparible to what is currently existing, nor is it having cake and eating it. the uk has no real competitive advantage over the EU and it is currently trading with anyone who it can trade with either via the EU or by itself. any new trade deal they may get will likely have similar conditions attached such as freedom of movement etc.
    ireland will not be rejoining the uk no matter how much you go on about it. there is virtually no demand for it on either side of the water.

    Where do some people get this ireland “rejoining the UK” rubbish? In my 34 years on this planet I’ve not ever met, spoken to a single Irish soul that ever raised this. It’s so off the richter with the Irish psyche that doesn't register in the subconscious.
    If anything this whole debacle is a reminder to us all to be very very grateful for our hard won Independence from London even though part of the country unfortunately is stuck there (for now).
    I look forward to moving even further beyond that as the proportion of our UK trade continues to drop in overall % terms as we continue to increase our global reach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,474 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I think these people know a good thing when they see, and look how keen they are to join the party :

    "Migrants pile into dinghies to cross Channel to Dover as 'panic setting in' before Brexit deadline hits"


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/16/migrants-pile-dinghies-cross-channel-dover-panic-sets-brexit/

    Wtf has this got to do with illegal migrants from Iran? Are things going to be stricter for such illegals post EU?!

    You seem almost excited by the prospect migrants chose England as if to feed some kind of “everyone wants to be us” deep seated need.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Snarlene and her gang of fellow bible thumpers seem quite quiet since Wednesday evening. I wonder are the many voices in favour of this deal from within the NI business community and especially the agricultural sector, where there would be a considerable number of DUP voters, causing them to consider their position?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,750 ✭✭✭Avatar MIA


    Snarlene and her gang of fellow bible thumpers seem quite quiet since Wednesday evening. I wonder are the many voices in favour of this deal from within the NI business community and especially the agricultural sector, where there would be a considerable number of DUP voters, causing them to consider their position?

    Was wondering about that too. Their knee jerk reaction is always Never, Never, Never.

    And the DUP leadership, while being quite resolute, would never be charged with high inteligence (e.g. RHI). Their grass roots may have since pointed out how good a deal (achieved somewhat by the Irish Government) this is for N.I. Lets see if they value their face and not cut off their collective noses.

    And finally, on the off chance someone from the DUP is reading this, can you please ask your leadership (Foster, Dodds and Jeffrey) to stop using variations of the phrase, 'let me make myself clear...' Do they realise how moronic they sound when they use it. All the more ironic when they think it lends them authority. It just makes them sound dumb, as if I really found this concept quite diffficult myself and so I'll treat you as thick as I am.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    But how many things have the DUP said never to which ended up happening anyway? They were the only party in NI to not sign up to the GFA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    It seems unbelievable coming from from the leader of a party in power in Northern Ireland but Arelene Foster's annoyed that business leaders in NI like the latest Brexit deal. Do people still think she's fighting for her community?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/foster-annoyed-at-ni-business-leaders-support-for-brexit-deal-1.3700531?mode=amp


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Avatar MIA wrote:
    Was wondering about that too. Their knee jerk reaction is always Never, Never, Never.


    And yet they have not brought down the government by withdrawing their confidence and supply arrangement.

    Grandstanding methinks. Will end up abstaining or even voting in favour of the deal in the end imo.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,129 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Its a synonym for a country with a great future for business, growth, and rising prosperity for its citizens. He is spot on.


    You sir/madam, need a reality check.

    Or keep on trolling. Whatever suits you best.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Northern Irish businesses go head to head with the DUP. The DUP says "they're wrong and haven't read the agreement". I feel sorry for unionists and nationalists in Northern Ireland.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/17/dup-northern-ireland-brexit-deal-ulster-farmers-union


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Britannia can indeed rule the waves once more.

    We should let others get exercised about Britannia ruling the waves again. Given how the Germans have been doing, not to talk of an emerging China, and in time India, and the picture of former vassal states such as Canada and Australia catching up, I wouldn't be going to the bookies to put money on it, even if Bermuda and Pitcairn are still within the fold. Say, instead of this Trumpian nonsense of being great again, why not concentrate on just being good, especially given the uncertainty that lies ahead.Why not free yourselves from Trumpian exceptionalism and accept that you are one of many nations that need more than ever to cooperate in the face of climate change and international terrorism.

    Britain entered into a binding international treaty with Ireland which ended decades of conflict and rather than going gung-ho nationalist you would now be better engaged trying to persuade others to honour that treaty. Too many prominent politicians across the Irish Sea would dump it without a thought for the possible terrible consequences in Northern Ireland in particular. It seems they want to exercise control over NI without having responsibility for it. That and their primary motivation being the pursuit of power should illustrate to you and others what amoral SOBs they are and how little they care about any part of Ireland.

    Observing a treaty is a moral as well as a legal obligation. Rule the waves again if you can and if you must, but please don't waive the rules again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,753 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    josip wrote: »
    Curious to know why this would be written off?
    They have contributed to this debt, at least as much per capita as the rest of the UK.

    Because they'd also be writing off assets that NI can't possibly keep, Buckingham palace, strident etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,753 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    There are a lot of bitter people around, disappointed that they cannot indulge themselves in unrestrained schadenfreude. The disturbing truth for them is that the UK has done what they believed would not be possible - have their cake and eat it. The joke is on the other foot and its not laughing now.

    Sure there are benefits and disadvantages to being in the EU. And for being outside it. And nutters on both ends of the Europhile and Little Englander spectrum. But Prime Minister May has pulled off an extraordinary middle ground here that delivers the best of both worlds. It was never going to satisfy the ideologues at the extreme ends, but, despite their noise, they are few anyway.
    This deal really sets sail for a very bright future indeed for the UK; in trade with the EU, competitive advantage over the EU, and the freedom to conquer the wider trade world once more.

    Britannia can indeed rule the waves once more.

    And Ireland can be part of that great journey if it has the gumption to recognise it.

    Nobody in England is satisfied with the deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,753 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Snarlene and her gang of fellow bible thumpers seem quite quiet since Wednesday evening. I wonder are the many voices in favour of this deal from within the NI business community and especially the agricultural sector, where there would be a considerable number of DUP voters, causing them to consider their position?

    The unionist community is not behind the DUP on this one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Nobody in England is satisfied with the deal.

    That doesnt mean it isnt a good deal though. Its a fricking great deal.

    The mistake made in the Brexit implementation of the will of the people, was to not solve the internal Conservative Party conflict between Remain and Brexit. Instead, they elected a leader who was a Remainer, but became an implementer of Brexit.

    And, from a conventional perspective, has done a truly superb job. The deal is indeed the best of both worlds, both within and with the best EU relationship of any country, yet outside it, with some freedoms that can exploit particular strengths of the UK. It is a very well negotiated, cogent, rational, 'compromise' between two extremes. And exactly what normally works in normal win-win motivated negotiation and compromise solution oriented situations.

    But in this particular case, with two polarised and mutually exclusive ideologically motivated positions, it ends up being what nobody wants, politically it is as tough a nut to crack as one gets. Hence the current impasse.
    Her one personal mistake was the election, which made more difficult, but not crippled, her chances.

    A compromise of any sort was always going to unacceptable to all factions - and politically acceptable to nobody. Neither extreme side really wanted the job they should have done though - either a elect a Brexit PM to implement a true strong seperatist Brexit, or, elect a remainer to drive through the softest Brexit they could achieve. At lease the two sides would have battled it out, and there would have been a clear winner and loser. But both factions were cowards in this regard, and May ended up holding the baby.

    There is a chance, that she will triumph. And be the hero of the hour, and what will be regarded by all, in time, as a saviour and making of the UK : if somehow, she can call the bluffs around her on all sides, and push the deal through by whatever means, she will have pulled off the leadership and politically masterstroke of our time. And the UK will flourish, having its cake, and eating it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    It seems unbelievable coming from from the leader of a party in power in Northern Ireland but Arelene Foster's annoyed that business leaders in NI like the latest Brexit deal. Do people still think she's fighting for her community?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/foster-annoyed-at-ni-business-leaders-support-for-brexit-deal-1.3700531?mode=amp

    Is it me or is the issue of the union more one for the monarchy than any political party? I know the Royal family are above matters of politics but given where they find themelves maybe there's more of a role for them in all of this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    Its a synonym for a country with a great future for business, growth, and rising prosperity for its citizens. He is spot on.

    Of course it is!

    If one has millions in their back pocket,falling house prices, folding businesses/farms, and everything that goes with a disastrous brexit, is a boon for the wealthy.

    They get to set the terms. They are immune from the fall-out.Personal wealth sees to that.

    Meanwhile...the rich get richer.Ordinary folks are just collateral damage who carry the burden of the loss of jobs /houses/farms.


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