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Formula 1 2020 - General Discussion Thread (See MOD warning on first post)

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    #4382
    Anjobe
    Registered Users Posts: 1,445 ✭✭✭Anjobe


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    What does that mean for hulk this weekend?

    Stroll has done his 10 days in isolation since the positive test and has since tested negative, so he races this weekend.


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    #4383
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,372 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    That's not a good move for anyone. Williams is a stepping stone for young drivers and a pay driver. Either a step I to the sport for a young driver or a step out for an old one. Nobody will look good in that car. Bottas went to Mercedes but that was back when the Williams was good.

    Perez could be the pay driver at Williams instead of Latifi. He brings Carlos Slim money from Mexico.
    Russel and Perez would actually be a great lineup for williams. Latifi and Perez would not!


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    #4384
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,953 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Russel and Perez would actually be a great lineup for williams. Latifi and Perez would not!
    Exactly. It would probably be a big payday driver lineup. But if they lose Mercedes engines then it means they'll need to pay for Renault engines which is the worst of all possible worlds.


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    #4385
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭quokula


    Anjobe wrote: »
    Stroll has done his 10 days in isolation since the positive test and has since tested negative, so he races this weekend.

    Given that he tested negative before the GP, and fell ill on the Saturday morning having been taking part as normal prior to that (albeit without driving due to the weather conditions), this implies there may be some issues with the precautions being taken, and that other members of the team were probably infected.

    I assume this will be / has been investigated.


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    #4386
    quokula
    Registered Users Posts: 3,570 ✭✭✭quokula


    SureYWouldntYa wrote: »
    He’s not thar far off Russell when it comes to race pace

    Which means either Latifi is better than most think, or Russell isn’t as good as people think

    It's really hard to judge Russell given that Latifi is a pay driver who nobody rates, and Kubica was highly rated once but in reality his come back as someone who'd been out of the sport for a decade and who only had one fully functioning arm was probably never going to set the world on fire and expectations were simply ay too high based on his previous career.

    If he ended up partnering someone like Perez that would be a real test.


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    #4387
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,372 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    quokula wrote: »
    It's really hard to judge Russell given that Latifi is a pay driver who nobody rates, and Kubica was highly rated once but in reality his come back as someone who'd been out of the sport for a decade and who only had one fully functioning arm was probably never going to set the world on fire and expectations were simply ay too high based on his previous career.

    If he ended up partnering someone like Perez that would be a real test.


    True.
    It could be that latifi is getting 100% out of the car and russell is brilliantly outdriving it, or they are getting 60 and 80% respectively and both are crap.


    We know perez is a solid mediocre mid tier driver. Never wins a championship or comes close but in the middle of the pack solidly. If he beats russell then it speaks for itself.


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    #4388
    Man with broke phone
    Registered Users Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Man with broke phone


    ELM327 wrote: »
    True.
    It could be that latifi is getting 100% out of the car and russell is brilliantly outdriving it, or they are getting 60 and 80% respectively and both are crap.


    We know perez is a solid mediocre mid tier driver. Never wins a championship or comes close but in the middle of the pack solidly. If he beats russell then it speaks for itself.

    For gods sake. Solid mediocre mid table driver.

    Laughable.


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    #4389
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,372 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Man with broke phone wrote: »
    For gods sake. Solid mediocre mid table driver.

    Laughable.


    Oh sorry, point to his race wins?
    He's in the second best car this year and has done nothing


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    #4390
    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 15,561 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Oh sorry, point to his race wins?
    He's in the second best car this year and has done nothing

    I disagree. I would say the Red Bull has been the second best car this year with the Racing Point as the third best car this year and it does not seem to be performing as good as it was at the beginning of the season because Racing Point are not sure how to get the best out of it.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    #4391
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,372 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    AMKC wrote: »
    I disagree. I would say the Red Bull has been the second best car this year with the Racing Point as the third best car this year and it does not seem to be performing as good as it was at the beginning of the season because Racing Point are not sure how to get the best out of it.


    Just because Max has been otherworldly doesnt mean the car is the best/second best.


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    #4392
    skipper_G
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    Oh sorry, point to his race wins?
    He's in the second best car this year and has done nothing

    Second best car! Can I have some?


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    #4393
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,953 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    AMKC wrote: »
    I disagree. I would say the Red Bull has been the second best car this year with the Racing Point as the third best car this year and it does not seem to be performing as good as it was at the beginning of the season because Racing Point are not sure how to get the best out of it.

    I think the title of second best car has changed through the season. Racing Point was almost certainly the second best at the start. The second best them might have been mclaren for a bit, then red bull maybe, Renault and maybe red bull again. But I think max makes the red bull look better than it is.

    Racing point has slipped back.
    They didn't design the parts that probably made them second best at the start of the season. So its unlikely they could develop the car beyond that point when they weren't able to design that speed to begin with.


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    #4394
    recyclebin
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    McLaren have definitely shifted their focus towards next season. They have had to get next year's parts on this year's car as they will need the tokens to change engine from Renault to Mercedes.


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    #4395
    ELM327
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    skipper_G wrote: »
    Second best car! Can I have some?
    Max is outdriving the car he's in.
    In pure pace the Tracing Point is the second best car.


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    #4396
    skipper_G
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    Max is outdriving the car he's in.
    In pure pace the Tracing Point is the second best car.

    Pure pace, ie; one lap pace in qualifying ? If that's what you're measuring it by, then go measure again because you're wrong.


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    #4397
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,372 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Pure overall pace.


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    #4398
    skipper_G
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    ELM327 wrote: »
    Pure overall pace.

    Race pace then, okay answer is the same. By every conceivable metric the Red Bull is a better car.

    As a racing point fan I'd be thrilled if they had the 2nd best car, but I'm not deluded enough to think they have it.


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    #4399
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,953 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    skipper_G wrote: »
    Race pace then, okay answer is the same. By every conceivable metric the Red Bull is a better car.

    As a racing point fan I'd be thrilled if they had the 2nd best car, but I'm not deluded enough to think they have it.

    I think it’s in the mix with mclaren and probably behind Renault and red bull now. But it was almost certainly the fastest at the start of the season.


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    #4400
    vectra
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    skipper_G wrote: »
    Pure pace, ie; one lap pace in qualifying ? If that's what you're measuring it by, then go measure again because you're wrong.

    Put Hamilton or Max into one, where do you think it would be then?


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    #4401
    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 15,561 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    I only noticed while watching a video there on You-Tube that on the Racing Point car on the roll hoop that Bambardier sponsor them too. I thought Bombardier were in financial trouble and had been bought by Airbus at least there small plane had to become the Airbus A220.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    #4402
    skipper_G
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    vectra wrote: »
    Put Hamilton or Max into one, where do you think it would be then?

    They would be behind Mercedes and Red Bull. On absolute pace the Racing Point is still a second behind Mercedes. No driver can make up that much difference


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    #4403
    GarIT
    Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Does Latifi's dad not still have a big chunk of money tied to Williams?


    He owns their two largest sponsors Sofina and Lavazza.

    Perez brings Telmex, Telcel and Claro. Perez's sponsors have totalled up to £20m per season in the past but his current salary is rumoured to be £8m.

    There were rumours that Mercedes were only giving Williams a £5m discount on engines in exchange for Russel or that only Russel's engines were free. Renault could give a similar discount to get that relationship started, to try to get some money back, and to have someone to make the works team when they pull out at the end of 2021 or maybe 2022.


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    #4404
    AMKC
    Registered Users Posts: 15,561 ✭✭✭✭AMKC
    Ms


    GarIT wrote: »
    He owns their two largest sponsors Sofina and Lavazza.

    Perez brings Telmex, Telcel and Claro. Perez's sponsors have totalled up to £20m per season in the past but his current salary is rumoured to be £8m.

    There were rumours that Mercedes were only giving Williams a £5m discount on engines in exchange for Russel or that only Russel's engines were free. Renault could give a similar discount to get that relationship started, to try to get some money back, and to have someone to make the works team when they pull out at the end of 2021 or maybe 2022.
    Renault are not going to pull out soon just a name change to Alpine althought I think they should keep it Renault Alpine or Alpine Renault myself. They are going to use it to get Alpine recognised as a mini Ferrari.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.



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    #4405
    pjohnson
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    AMKC wrote: »
    Renault are not going to pull out soon just a name change to Alpine althought I think they should keep it Renault Alpine or Alpine Renault myself. They are going to use it to get Alpine recognised as a mini Ferrari.
    Constructor name probably be Alpine-Renault.


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    #4406
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,953 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    AMKC wrote: »
    Renault are not going to pull out soon just a name change to Alpine althought I think they should keep it Renault Alpine or Alpine Renault myself. They are going to use it to get Alpine recognised as a mini Ferrari.

    What a time to launch a luxury car brand...

    I wouldn’t say anything is certain.


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    #4407
    duploelabs
    Registered Users Posts: 11,134 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    El_Duderino 09 wrote: »
    What a time to launch a luxury car brand...

    I wouldn’t say anything is certain.

    It not exactly a luxury brand, it's a sports brand and it's been around since the 50s


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    #4408
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users Posts: 19,953 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    duploelabs wrote: »
    It not exactly a luxury brand, it's a sports brand and it's been around since the 50s

    Yeah and Renault bought it in the 70s and never really used it much until now. So it’s effectively a relaunch.

    Here’s a whatcar review
    https://www.whatcar.com/alpine/a110/coupe/review/n185

    Prices to rival the Porsche Cayman: “ And what are those rivals? Well, small and lightweight doesn’t mean cheap in the case of the A110. It’s priced to compete with some pretty serious machines, such as the Porsche Cayman and 2.0-litre Jaguar F-Type, as well as another sports car returnee, the Toyota Supra.”

    Sports brand, luxury brand... call it whatever you want. It’s the kind of product that relies notch lots of people having discretionary spending


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    #4409
    Harika
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    All comes down for Williams what they want to achieve long term, next season is a write off, so why not get the maximum out of the pay drivers? 2021 is rebuilt and 2022 progress into the midfield.
    Mercedes will want to keep Russell available, latifi and Perez bring money with Perez clearly the faster driver.
    From F2 the young russian will bring money too, just not sure how much his daddy is going to spend if he might get a Haas seat cheaper


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    #4410
    Frank Bullitt
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    In the name of the father, son, and holy spirit. :D


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    #4411
    donspeekinglesh
    Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    Grosjean has confirmed on his Facebook (and probably other social media platforms too) that he's leaving Haas.


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