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    #812
    Godot.
    Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Godot.


    Next Irish General Election
    @NextIrishGE
    How 2020 Green Party voters voted in 2016.
    FG: 36%
    GRN: 27%
    FF: 8%
    Did not Vote: 8%
    LAB: 6%
    Do not Recall: 6%
    IND: 4%
    SF: 2%
    REN: 2%
    S-PBP: 1%
    SD: 1%

    As per IPSOS MRBI Exit Poll.

    Looks like they actually are FG on bikes :pac:

    FF/FG/Greens could be surprisingly easy to do.


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    #813
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Godot. wrote: »
    Looks like they actually are FG on bikes :pac:

    FF/FG/Greens could be surprisingly easy to do.
    To voters who just see numbers and are in an AB mood yes it is. Reality is always a whole lot more complicated. Heard over the last week or so some anecdotal stuff of angry middle-class forty-somethings who forced themselves to vote for one of the the traditional two to thwart the free houses for all they see coming down the track.


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    #814
    Field east
    Registered Users Posts: 2,437 ✭✭✭Field east


    Umaro wrote: »
    Wasn't the First Dáil full of former terrorists?

    Or is that different somehow?

    Why did you go back to the 1920s’ only. Why not go much further back to some similar situation in , say, 1400s’, 1500s’ or more recently in the 1700s’.
    Jesus wept.


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    #815
    ThunbergsAreGo
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    Harry Palmr wrote: »
    I see the Shinners are taking it to the streets (including the streets of Newry for some arcane reason), oh dear.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-rallies-for-govenrment-for-change-5018083-Feb2020/

    Awful whiff of Norn Iron style mobilising here.

    Why Newry? Why are SF rallying in another country


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    #816
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,028 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    Why Newry? Why are SF rallying in another country

    Ask a member of SF if they see Newry as 'another country'.


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    #817
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ask a member of SF if they see Newry as 'another country'.
    And yet it's not in any Dail constituency. Seems a fairly dumb move.


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    #818
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ask a member of SF if they see Newry as 'another country'.

    They signed up to it being so did they not?


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    #819
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,028 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    They signed up to it being so did they not?

    Where was that?

    They certainly signed up to respecting the decision of a majority to see it as another country as long as that majority accepted their rights to see themselves as part of Ireland.


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    #820
    ThunbergsAreGo
    Registered Users Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ask a member of SF if they see Newry as 'another country'.

    So why not Belfast?


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    #821
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Where was that?

    They certainly signed up to respecting the decision of a majority to see it as another country as long as that majority accepted their rights to see themselves as part of Ireland.

    That is the ideal that it is another country until a majority deem it otherwise?


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    #822
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,028 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »
    So why not Belfast?

    Email them?

    You are aware, I take it, of how life operates along the border? Sometimes it is logistically sensible to pick somewhere in the south or the north and to ignore the border. It may just be that the hotel is logistically sensible for the people to go to.

    Happens here everyday of the week. Football clubs in the north will come here to use a hotel etc etc.

    It's all the one country when you are in the GAA for instance.


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    #823
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,028 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    That is the ideal that it is another country until a majority deem it otherwise?

    Don't understand the question...go again?


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    #824
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Don't understand the question...go again?

    No, you understand the question alright, just can't frame the answer yet. But you will indubitably.


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    #825
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,028 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    No, you understand the question alright, just can't frame the answer yet. But you will indubitably.

    I don't understand it actually. I presume it is to try and get me to say SF have sold out in some way?
    Carry on, if that is what you believe. I couldn't be arsed trying to persuade you otherwise.
    It is pitiful and sad that some need that affirmation.


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    #826
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I don't understand it actually. I presume it is to try and get me to say SF have sold out in some way?
    Carry on, if that is what you believe. I couldn't be arsed trying to persuade you otherwise.
    It is pitiful and sad that some need that affirmation.

    Isn't it, I'm a pitiful sad man I am. Forever and ever sitting on boards traipsing out the same ould ****e.


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    #827
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,028 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    Isn't it, I'm a pitiful sad man I am. Forever and ever sitting on boards traipsing out the same ould ****e.

    QED Bishop. QED. :rolleyes:


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    #828
    Umaro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Umaro


    Don't be so hard on yourself.


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    #829
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    SF sit in parliament in Northern Ireland, they want a border referendun, they are even talking of a minister of state for Irish unity if the do get in to Govt.
    All this is to me acceptance by them politically that at the minute that Northern Ireland is another country.
    They have by agreeing to all of the above signed up to that line of thought.
    Fair play to them.


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    #830
    terenc
    Registered Users Posts: 384 ✭✭terenc


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    SF sit in parliament in Northern Ireland, they want a border referendun, they are even talking of a minister of state for Irish unity if the do get in to Govt.
    All this is to me acceptance by them politically that at the minute that Northern Ireland is another country.
    They have by agreeing to all of the above signed up to that line of thought.
    Fair play to them.

    With a nod and a wink from their handlers "dont f*ck with us we put you where you are", just remember how we handle child rapists and young criminals.
    Fu*k the free state. Pass me the "cocaine" gERRY S gOD.


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    #831
    Scoondal
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    Will Ms. McDonald have her own security at the Rochestown Park Hotel tomorrow ? Will protestors be intimidated ?


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    #832
    beggars_bush
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    Scoondal wrote: »
    Will Ms. McDonald have her own security at the Rochestown Park Hotel tomorrow ? Will protestors be intimidated ?

    Intimidated by whom?


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    #833
    Scoondal
    Registered Users Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    beggars_bush wrote: »
    Intimidated by whom?

    By her security personnel.


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    #834
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,477 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    terenc wrote: »
    With a nod and a wink from their handlers "dont f*ck with us we put you where you are", just remember how we handle child rapists and young criminals.
    Fu*k the free state. Pass me the "cocaine" gERRY S gOD.
    Scoondal wrote: »
    Will Ms. McDonald have her own security at the Rochestown Park Hotel tomorrow ? Will protestors be intimidated ?


    Mod note:

    Serious posts only please


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    #835
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,477 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Mod note:

    You two guys can take 24 hours off. Please read the chater and make serious contributions only


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    #836
    kah22
    Registered Users Posts: 313 ✭✭kah22


    Riddle me this. Suppose there was a referendum called on how TD’s were to be elected to the Dáil, how would you vote: Keep the present system OR A first pass the post system like they have in Great Britain ?

    Kevin


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    #837
    IAmTheReign
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭IAmTheReign


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    What's the problem with 'former members' of the IRA taking part in democratic politics? Did you miss the whole GFA thing?

    First of all the article you posted only said the IRA are committed to the political path, it doesn't say the IRA no longer exists meaning they're not really 'former members' at all.

    Secondly there is nothing democratic about the people in charge of a former paramilitary organisation running a political party from the shadows. If 'former members' of the IRA military council want to take part in politics they should stand for election. That would be democratic.


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    #838
    IAmTheReign
    Registered Users Posts: 339 ✭✭IAmTheReign


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The 'difficult' questions nobody wants to address.

    The north is 'different' will be the answer, because it suits. :D

    The North IS different, as a SF supporter like yourself well knows. The GFA requires SF, as the largest republican party, to enter government or Stormont can't sit. Claiming it's anyway comparable to the Dail is dishonest.


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    #839
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    kah22 wrote: »
    Riddle me this. Suppose there was a referendum called on how TD’s were to be elected to the Dáil, how would you vote: Keep the present system OR A first pass the post system like they have in Great Britain ?

    Kevin
    It was tried twice, once in 1959 and again in about 1968. It failed both times and would never pass now.


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    #840
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 67,028 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    IAmTheReign wrote: »
    The North IS different, as a SF supporter like yourself well knows. The GFA requires SF, as the largest republican party, to enter government or Stormont can't sit. Claiming it's anyway comparable to the Dail is dishonest.

    I didn't claim it was the same as the Dáil. I was sending up FG and FF, pivoting when it suited them.


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    #841
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,402 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    is_that_so wrote: »
    kah22 wrote: »
    Riddle me this. Suppose there was a referendum called on how TD’s were to be elected to the Dáil, how would you vote: Keep the present system OR A first pass the post system like they have in Great Britain ?

    Kevin

    It was tried twice, once in 1959 and again in about 1968. It failed both times and would never pass now.

    It was not a change to FPTP but a change to single seat constituencies. The proposal was put by FF who thought that it would guarantee them a perpetual majority. It was rejected for precisely that reason.

    There never was an attempt to go back to FPTP.

    If we were to have a change, I would propose that the last action by the outgoing Dail would be to elect the Ceann Comhairle who would be the sole TD during the dissolution of the Dail. He/She would required to be non-party, and could not subsequently join a political party (just as the President is non-party). He/She would also not represent any constituency, as is the case with Senators. Obviously, (s)he would retire after the following dissolution of the Dail if (s)he is not re-elected.

    Further, any act by a Minister during the dissolution and up to the formation of the new Gov would have a sunset effect, in that such acts would be required to be affirmed by the incoming Ministers, and by the Cabinet as a whole.

    However, there are more important things to be achieved.


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