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FrancieBrady · 22-02-2020 06:52PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I know a lad beside me, he went to a meeting with another local young fella who was going on in the last locals for SF, they were looking for volunteers for to help with the campaign and the canvas.
Two lads from Armagh turned up and took the meeting and directed how the campaign should be run, a bit odd for a Longford local candidate don't you think?

'Directed' How?

Is it possible it might have been advice?

Seriously difficult to take this stuff seriously. I know loads of shinners of different opinions and views. They don't strike me as 'directable', if it wasn't what they wanted to do.

22-02-2020 06:53PM

Lets face it Francie. There has only ever been Gerry as leader as long as I can remember.

And even when he is now retired he still keeps showing up just to keep an eye on things. It is kind of hard to believe that Mary Lou is fully in charge with Adams hovering about in the background all the time.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/it-s-like-freshers-week-first-day-in-d%C3%A1il-for-new-sinn-f%C3%A9in-tds-1.4173089

sid waddell · 22-02-2020 06:55PM

kilburn wrote: »

Personally I wouldn't want my country run by people who take advise from terrorists

Well apartheid South Africa would never have come to an end had it followed your logic because the ANC had a terrorist wing which engaged in bombings of civilians and a landmine campaign.

So presumably that should have applied to the North as well in your mind?

22-02-2020 06:57PM

sid waddell wrote: »

Well apartheid South Africa would never have come to an end had it followed your logic because the ANC had a terrorist wing which engaged in bombings of civilians and a landmine campaign.

So presumably that should have applied to the North as well in your mind?

Northern Ireland is not the Republic of Ireland.
Whatever they do up there with their government is of no consequence to us down here.
We should however have a problem with terrorists being advisors to members of the government of our country.

Bishop of hope · 22-02-2020 07:05PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Directed' How?

Is it possible it might have been advice?

Seriously difficult to take this stuff seriously. I know loads of shinners of different opinions and views. They don't strike me as 'directable', if it wasn't what they wanted to do.

Chaired and took points and said any statements made by the candidate or his representatives had to be subject to party policy and that superceded local issues.
Any press releases or public statements had to be pre approved by these two men, they were SF members, they were in charge of the campaign.

FrancieBrady · 22-02-2020 07:10PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Chaired and took points and said any statements made by the candidate or his representatives had to be subject to party policy and that superceded local issues.
Any press releases or public statements had to be pre approved by these two men, they were SF members, they were in charge of the campaign.

Well, as I said, my experience of SF members is that they wouldn't tolerate that control for a second.

And my own experience is all I can go on.

Umaro · 22-02-2020 07:11PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Northern Ireland is not the Republic of Ireland.
Whatever they do up there with their government is of no consequence to us down here.
We should however have a problem with terrorists being advisors to members of the government of our country.

Were FG aware that SF is run by a shadowy IRA Army Council when they were helping to re-install them in Stormont a few weeks ago?

That's incredibly reckless to install a paramilitary organisation into power in a foreign country. It's like something the CIA would do.

Weird how they're only aware of it now that SF could get into power in this country.

FrancieBrady · 22-02-2020 07:13PM

Umaro wrote: »

Were FG aware that SF is run by a shadowy IRA Army Council when they were helping to re-install them in Stormont a few weeks ago?

That's incredibly reckless to install a paramilitary organisation into power in a foreign country. It's like something the CIA would do.

Weird how they're only aware of it now that SF could get into power in this country.

The 'difficult' questions nobody wants to address.

The north is 'different' will be the answer, because it suits.

sid waddell · 22-02-2020 07:22PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Northern Ireland is not the Republic of Ireland.
Whatever they do up there with their government is of no consequence to us down here.
We should however have a problem with terrorists being advisors to members of the government of our country.

Well it is of consequence to us actually as Ireland is a signatory of the Good Friday Agreement.

Who are these terrorists?

Do you mean former terrorists?

Former terrorists like the ANC in South Africa?

22-02-2020 08:02PM

sid waddell wrote: »

Well it is of consequence to us actually as Ireland is a signatory of the Good Friday Agreement.

Who are these terrorists?

Do you mean former terrorists?

Former terrorists like the ANC in South Africa?

I prefer the actual people I vote for to be the actual people in charge, not some men no-one knows.
I don't want terrorists or former terrorists running our country.

Charles Babbage · 22-02-2020 08:14PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'difficult' questions nobody wants to address.

The north is 'different' will be the answer, because it suits.

The north is different, it is a colonial appendage, not a normal place.

This is a fundamental tenet of SF policy, yet they are willing to abandon it for political point scoring, which in itself reflects poorly on them.

sid waddell · 22-02-2020 10:51PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I prefer the actual people I vote for to be the actual people in charge, not some men no-one knows.
I don't want terrorists or former terrorists running our country.

Were Fine Gael in charge when the Troika were here?

Who was really in charge at the time of the bank guarantee?

Has any government in the history of this state not had its policies heavily influenced by business interests?

We voted for the Good Friday Agreement. Sinn Fein came into the political process with our agreement. The IRA is no longer active.

You don't have to vote for Sinn Fein, I didn't vote for them either. But this is what we voted for in 1998 - that as a result of a negotiated peace settlement approved by the people north and south of the border, there would be the possibility that Sinn Fein could enter into government in Ireland in the future.

gormdubhgorm · 22-02-2020 11:11PM

Umaro wrote: »

Were FG aware that SF is run by a shadowy IRA Army Council when they were helping to re-install them in Stormont a few weeks ago?

That's incredibly reckless to install a paramilitary organisation into power in a foreign country. It's like something the CIA would do.

Weird how they're only aware of it now that SF could get into power in this country.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'difficult' questions nobody wants to address.

The north is 'different' will be the answer, because it suits.

The north is different when it suits Mary Lou. Getting he paras in Stormont was the only way they would stop killing gardai, killing RUC, putting bombs in rubbish bins and cars etc. Plus 'up there' there is a pair of them in it. Both claiming they 'won' the war.

Rosahane · 22-02-2020 11:12PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did you miss the challenge to Michelle O'Neill lately?

Are you aware how Leo was'annointed' chosen as leader?

Who elected O’Neill as Deputy Leader in 2108? I don’t remember anything other than the announcement that she was appointed.

gormdubhgorm · 22-02-2020 11:15PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'difficult' questions nobody wants to address.

The north is 'different' will be the answer, because it suits.

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The north is different, it is a colonial appendage, not a normal place.

This is a fundamental tenet of SF policy, yet they are willing to abandon it for political point scoring, which in itself reflects poorly on them.

Sure FrancieBrady has said as much on numerous occasions on other threads. He resorts to just being disingenuous when he cannot think of anything of note to say.

FrancieBrady · 22-02-2020 11:18PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Sure FrancieBrady has said as much on numerous occasions on other threads. He resorts to just being disingenuous when he cannot think of anything of note to say.

That's because I think it is different and cannot be compared.

What I was sending up was FG in particular pivoting from it being the same, when they want to criticise SF's abilities to it being 'different' when it comes to why they encourage a party they won't work with here to go into government there.

feargale · 22-02-2020 11:43PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'difficult' questions nobody wants to address.

The north is 'different' will be the answer, because it suits.

The north is different. If it were the same as almost every other political system in Europe SF wouldn't get a smell of power there. The GFA is designed to give the belligerents in particular a share of power in NI.
Talking of difficult questions, you seem to have missed post 780.

FrancieBrady · 22-02-2020 11:49PM

feargale wrote: »

The north is different. If it were the same as almost every other political system in Europe SF wouldn't get a smell of power there. The GFA is designed to give the belligerents in particular a share of power in NI.
Talking of difficult questions, you seem to have missed post 780.

I disagree on how SF would do there in a normal state. Nobody is forcing people from all walks of life to vote for them.

I can't see a question that makes sense in 780. You seem to want an answer from MLMD.

feargale · 23-02-2020 12:17AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I can't see a question that makes sense in 780. You seem to want an answer from MLMD.

Exactly. You had plenty to say about it until an awkward question was asked, but in typical SF fashion when you don't like the question you skip it and hope nobody will notice.
Not for the first time.

Triangle · 23-02-2020 12:20AM

Umaro wrote: »

Were FG aware that SF is run by a shadowy IRA Army Council when they were helping to re-install them in Stormont a few weeks ago?

That's incredibly reckless to install a paramilitary organisation into power in a foreign country. It's like something the CIA would do.

Weird how they're only aware of it now that SF could get into power in this country.

That's absolutely crazy........

They went into power, unionists and republicans to stop the violence, bombings, murders, rocket launches, intimidation and having pretty much a police state (wire blockades, heavily armed military).
Pushing for a political solution (no matter their backing) was a way of moving forward.
We don't have those issues, so it's not similar or 'CIA' typical. It was a route to peace and growth.

Having a 'possible' backing of paramilitary forces or polarised agenda should be a moment for pause and questioning - not hysterics and emotional defence.

And I'm a voice for change, there are lots of options out there not getting a voice because we're getting so polarised in SF VS FFG

FrancieBrady · 23-02-2020 12:21AM

feargale wrote: »

Exactly. You had plenty to say about it until an awkward question was asked, but in typical SF fashion when you don't like the question you skip it and hope nobody will notice.
Not for the first time.

Ask the question again. Make it make sense. I have no idea what you are asking of me.
While I voted for SF this time, I am not a member btw.

Harry Palmr · 23-02-2020 12:42AM

I see the Shinners are taking it to the streets (including the streets of Newry for some arcane reason), oh dear.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-rallies-for-govenrment-for-change-5018083-Feb2020/

“Over the coming fortnight, Sinn Féin will host the first of a series of public rallies to bring the conversation about a Government for Change to the people. This will include events in Cork, Dublin, Newry, Cavan and Galway.”

Awful whiff of Norn Iron style mobilising here.

road_high · 23-02-2020 01:53AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I see the Shinners are taking it to the streets (including the streets of Newry for some arcane reason), oh dear.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-rallies-for-govenrment-for-change-5018083-Feb2020/

Awful whiff of Norn Iron style mobilising here.

Adolf hitler did something similar in 1930s Germany too though he had 38% of the vote. One can see the parallels alright.
I can foresee violence and property destruction at these mania rallies so I hope local businesses prepare themselves well

Godot. · 23-02-2020 03:56AM

Next Irish General Election
@NextIrishGE
How 2020 Green Party voters voted in 2016.
FG: 36%
GRN: 27%
FF: 8%
Did not Vote: 8%
LAB: 6%
Do not Recall: 6%
IND: 4%
SF: 2%
REN: 2%
S-PBP: 1%
SD: 1%

As per IPSOS MRBI Exit Poll.

Looks like they actually are FG on bikes :pac:

FF/FG/Greens could be surprisingly easy to do.

is_that_so · 23-02-2020 09:52AM

Godot. wrote: »

Looks like they actually are FG on bikes :pac:

FF/FG/Greens could be surprisingly easy to do.

To voters who just see numbers and are in an AB mood yes it is. Reality is always a whole lot more complicated. Heard over the last week or so some anecdotal stuff of angry middle-class forty-somethings who forced themselves to vote for one of the the traditional two to thwart the free houses for all they see coming down the track.

Field east · 23-02-2020 10:50AM

Umaro wrote: »

Wasn't the First Dáil full of former terrorists?

Or is that different somehow?

Why did you go back to the 1920s’ only. Why not go much further back to some similar situation in , say, 1400s’, 1500s’ or more recently in the 1700s’.
Jesus wept.

ThunbergsAreGo · 23-02-2020 11:28AM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I see the Shinners are taking it to the streets (including the streets of Newry for some arcane reason), oh dear.

https://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-rallies-for-govenrment-for-change-5018083-Feb2020/

Awful whiff of Norn Iron style mobilising here.

Why Newry? Why are SF rallying in another country

FrancieBrady · 23-02-2020 11:41AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Why Newry? Why are SF rallying in another country

Ask a member of SF if they see Newry as 'another country'.

is_that_so · 23-02-2020 11:43AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ask a member of SF if they see Newry as 'another country'.

And yet it's not in any Dail constituency. Seems a fairly dumb move.

Bishop of hope · 23-02-2020 11:48AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ask a member of SF if they see Newry as 'another country'.

They signed up to it being so did they not?

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